Yass Vs Ynot | Top Rock Semifinal | Juste Debout USA 2014 | BNC
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- čas přidán 8. 12. 2013
- Top Rock 1 V 1 Semifinal
Winner will be flown to Paris to represent USA at the international finals March 2nd
2014.
Winner
Yass (MZK/Ready 2 Rock)
Judge
Born (Mighty Zulu Kingz/Floor Gangz/Rivers Crew)
Emcee
Nemesis
DJ
DP One
Personally, I like Ynot's style 10x more than Yass's. Ynot's smoothness is unparalleled. But that doesn't mean that Ynot is better than Yass on a universal spectrum. Sure, by majority, most of us may think that Ynot is better than Yass, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the judgement of this battle.
Yass has his own style and to me, it's more old school. I personally don't fancy it, but, looking at this battle through a judge's perspective, I'm not surprised that Born chose Yass. It's not like Yass wasn't covering the basics of Toprock. He was on beat, on point, executed well, had burns, uprocked, and had an aggressive attitude. Ynot had more of a "have fun" attitude, which is fine, but he lacked burns and had his eyes faced down most of the time. I'm not saying that Born didn't have a bias decision, but I'm sure Born has judged enough to pay attention to the logistics of a battle.
And like Ynot said, it's all good.
I tried my absolute hardest to see what born saw, it didn't work
born is mzk so of course his boy gona get the win even tho he got whipped good by ynot. ynot rsc got robbed. respect judge yessir but not for making biased call wen clearly he got smoked. The 1st Round should never have been a draw in the first place.
couldn't have said it better myself, i'm surprised Born would make a biased call like that too. Sad to see
Yo, what yall not gettin is that BURNS are for UPROCKING, not toprocking, they are 2 completely different dances. Sure, people have incorporated burns into their tops, however they should NOT be a deciding factor in a toprock battle. This judging was wrong, plain and simple. This competition is supposed to fly out america's best representative in toprocking, and i fear the judge has failed to allow us to do that.
judge ain't even american.
respect to ynot, no doubt! won the battle and respect in my eyes
no cheers when the dancers dancing but boos for the judge when he makes a decision. great crowd!
I seriously would like to hear Born's words on why he felt Ynot lost. If majority of the b-boy community agree that he won, then what did he see that we didn't? Seriously hoping someone would approach him about that but without being judgmental or hostile
Yass did well, but not as well as Ynot. Ynot not only had musicality, but he also used a wide variety of moves, maintained a high constant energy, and utilized different levels, too. Yass's first round was really good, but then he started repeating too much and his toprock wasn't as energetic. As much as I respect Born, I am unable to respect his decision on this battle.
Worst judging in history. Born, you have lost my respect. Voting for your own crew member.
watched this in 2021, dunno if people still care, but it looks like it could have gone both ways for me, Ynot was not robbed
woluld definitely like to hear borns insight on judging at that jam. Can yall make a video of that ?
Both were killing it. Much love to both bboys showing their own raw styles. Yass had nasty burns and that raw flavor while Ynot was insane with the footwork and musicality!! As for the judging, just let it be. You win some you lose some. Much respect for Born and all those in the comp. Peace!
2nd song please ?
Lmao you guys be complaining about born voting for his own crew. Then why didnt he vote for diego when he was battling against ynot. Borns the judge, he has his reasons. Chill out
dont hate what ya cant under stand ready to rock
Ynot no have any pause, his Top Rock is always constant.
Juste Debout, you seem like a big bboy competition, yet you run things like amateurs. Want to eliminate bias and have fair judging? Don't allow crews to enter a battle where the judges are in the same crew. Simple as that.
it's not simple like that, cos it's their rights to enter the battle, and if a competition prohibit some cats with the same crew with the judge to enter the battle, it seems that the competition didn't want that people to win, and it's not fair again hahaha... so my opinion is having the OG's such as Mr. Wiggles , Ken Swift, Crazy legs, Swift Rock or the other Piooner as the judge and again, it needs more than one, so the desicion will be more Legit
It is that simple, if you want the competition to be fair and un-bias. It's up to the promoter to make that decision.
Nasty Lou You guys are looking at this jam in a bad way. This is one of the greatest jams out there and you guys are dogging at it because of one battle? There are a lot of jams, that have a judge and a group from the same crew. There is nothing to be biased about, You guys look at it to be "biased." I'd love to see you judge in this sort of jam. I would love to see you do it, because you wouldn't succeed in it, because most of the time I know damn well you guys wouldn't even know what you are doing. When it really isn't. You guys are proven to be amateurs in the scene, if you are dogging on the net. come on
Joe Eazy And it only takes one battle to tarnish the rep of one of the greatest jams out there. I'm not saying judging is easy, but I do know that if you want to eliminate people from saying things like "bias" or "unfair", take the things away that only promote it, like the same crew scenario. Then, and only then, will no one call you out, if in fact, there is a discrepancy with the decision.
All I'm going to say now is that, If you are so mad about what happened in this specific battle, than Do something about it instead of dogging on the net.
what is the name of the second song?? :c
HAHAHAHAHAH That judge got BOOOO'D in NY. That has to hurt. Home of the dance...the crowd has spoken. Other dude was nice, no disrespect to him. YNot murdered that.
what the name of these tracks ...PLEASE HELP
Please!!!Tell me music
Are they saying Boo? or ... Boo-orns?
... I was saying Boo-rns
boo....!!!
Yass won the tiebreaker for me but Ynot definitely won the first 2 rounds in my opinion. In terms of musicality, both were good but Yass' was a bit more unique at the cost of flow in the first round. Ynot's variety of footwork was definitely on point for me but his toprock focused a lot on indian step instead of actual "rocking" which may have played a role in Born's decision. I think what it boiled down to (in terms of the first 2 rounds) were Yass' unique musicality and fidelity to foundation ("rocking") versus Ynot's flow and footwork variety with musicality more focused on beat-hitting. Again, if I were judging I would have gone with Ynot, but i respect Born's decision, and there's a reason why he was chosen to judge. But then again, no two judges look for the same thing, which is why I think there should have been more than one. (Anyone care to explain why there was only one judge??)
2nd song ?
name of first track?
first song ??
What ever happened to the toprock portion at Juste Debout Bercy? I see results for every other style, even bboy, but toprock is nowhere to be seen. Did the toprock portion of the competition get cancelled?
Dang, Ynot got robbed. What really surprised me was that Yass winning the tie breaker. He did like two moves the whole round with some burns thrown in. Ynot was not only showing tons of variety throughout the battle, but he was hitting beats some people wouldn't even know were there. Born is brilliant, but he made a bad call here.
even the crowd gets mad at Born hahaha
Ynot took this one no need for a tie breaker even.
omg... WTF with Born? is the baddest decission ever :/
Ynot easy WON...
Came back to watch again.
1st round: Yass
2nd round: tie
Tie breaker: tie
no
Damn...! Even tho my boy "NOT" new he got tamperd wit ,he still chose the high road at the end ! Inspiration y'all !
Zulu votes for Zulu, surprise surprise.
Huge respect to Ynot for keeping it moving. Really strange call by Born though.
can u make a video of ynot highlights in this event? :D
sorry we don't really do highlight runs at events like other medias out there. Most of the people's round stay in tact with all the videos,
2:09 what song ?
wwhat the fck is yass doing....spinning around so fast that hhe lost control and almost fell...ynot pretty good first round. how the fck diddd yass win.
Ynot w/ an injured achilles, still murdering!!!
wowzsers
its like using a floor rocks in footwork battle if you use burns/ rocking things in toprock battle
just my 2 cents
hrmm interesting. Good point.
Ynot Winner !!!!
Robbed Debout.
Yass was mean with it, more burns. From a battling perspective he won. But I did like Ynots shit more in this battle.
Born definitely has his own view for this, and he is a big inspiration for me.
Agreed for the tie, but the decision for tie breaker was not what im expecting.
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Kapoo Goh yeah man yass definitely won..the decision was definitely correct...the feel and flavour is the most important thing in dancing or rocking ...only learning different toprocks and doing it on the beat doesn't gonna work...yass was not doing different toprocks but it's ok he was having that style and rhythm ...and I think that's wat the born's mentality was ..and giving callout is not the only option after losing lol..hahaha...hope u like my view thank you!
wiseman Ynot... more skill more knowledge more respect for him
It seems to me like Born prefers rocking-styled toprocks. I don't think it's whack judging, he seems to consistently favor that.
name song 2:16 ????
I think Born and Yass got drunk together the night before!
I feel like Yass shouldn't have won because he did a lot of things that should have made him lose(in my opinion), like in his first round (in my opinion) he kept breaking his flow, and he did a lot of that same side step, and I feel that ynot should have won because he did different moves, it was more clean, and hit the beat just as hard as Yass if not harder(in my opinion). I think Ynot should have won because of his smooth continuous flow of a variety of different moves. But that's just my 2sense, everyone should respect the judges.
While I know that pretty much every judge (especially at this level) has more experience and knowledge than me (and I know judging ain't easy), I think Born had seriously dropped the ball. Yass is hugely dope, but YNot destroyed the first two rounds, so Yass really only won after a bunch of bogus ties. I mean, the whole battle was Yass getting stronger with YNot fading until their paths crossed, so all this indecisiveness was bullshit. That said, this was at least twice as cool as the real finals. Next time, bring more than one judge, seriously.
The key difference is that Yass was doing more burns and YNot was getting really intricate on the beat. Maybe born preferred the burns.
IMO YNot won but still the judges have their own opinions, depends on if you respect the judge or not.
BushidoBoyd It's hard to not respect Born, but sometimes, you fuck up, even when you're great. Judging ain't easy.
YNOT was toprocking, Yass was mostly uprocking...it's a Toprock battle...burns are not that significant in a toprock battle but intricate footwork on the top and dancing to the beat is. There are a loooot of people in here that don't know the history or dance of both.
Breaks Kru, NYC
Est. 1996
I think even the intricate footwork thing is a bit disputed too though at least when compared with Rocking. Yass had a larger variety of handstyles and flow changes over Ynot but the burns were awkward and so were some of the angles, Ynot had the footwork by far but both of them were doing heaps of Rockin and not so much Toprockin so if you stripped it down you'd get like. From what I get of what was happening around the early 70s was mostly simple steps but big style and everybody looked different but that was before it was even called Toprockin so how do you judge that shit really it has to be opinion you can't black and white something that's grown in the way this dance has.
Nice battle respect to both bboyz anyone knows the last song
Ynot had flow with the whole song, while yass was stopping in order to catch the beat...this was easy...lol how do you fuck up like that
Bias Judging.
y-not is why not
i don't like complaining or anything, but i honestly don't like it when people on youtube automatically assume that it's their job to criticize a judge and attack someone for winning a battle. seriously, what have YOU done for the culture? there is a reason why born's there judging. and if you don't like it, then how about YOU change the game like born did, and sit there on that seat yourself? born made a decision under incredible pressure because that was his job. kids on youtube like you and i have NO RIGHT at all to be deciding who won this battle.
Yass killed lots of beats, but Ynot have much more toprocks in your sets.
The decision had a clear help of fellowship.
Ynot out danced him. Straight up. Yass kept stopping to catch his self. Ynot kept on beat with everything. These are facts.
IMO, i think he chose yass because of his battle character, that's just what i saw.
Respect to Ynot!
can't respect a bad call Ynot. I respect your sportsmanship though.
it's called TOProck for a reason yo~
We all know who won that from the first round. The fact that the MC had to say, respect the call of the judge, before the judge make his call,l tells you all you need to know.
Ynots 1st round was explosive, smooth, tons of variety.
He murdered it.
Yas was resesetting, clunky and very repetitive.
When doing burns you don't
have to get that close.
2nd round, yas steped it up.
3Rd round was yas best round.
But yes Yas was doing more uprocking than toprrocking.
Respects to both, they brpught it, liked the contrasting styles of eacj opponent.
Actually it's not legit if there's only one judge, it should be 5 judges like Red Bull so like, it's have 5 points of view, Born? aaaah ..... spechless ......
Who was judging this battle Stevie Wonder? SMDH!!!!!
Ynot is dope as hell
Always have my respect
I have much respect for Born, but wrong decision!
For ever person that is criticizing the judging decision by born.
Every person will have a bias. It's impossible not to be bias because depending on your own experiences you will ultimately think in that faction. By saying the judging was imprecise you've basically said that your own biased opinion is of more value than that of the judge. You've also laid claim to the fact that your biased knowledge of bboying is higher than that of the judge.
born's bias is that he values musicality more than anything else. So even though a bboy might bring a ton of fresh moves, if born doesn't see great musicality to supplement that he won't be as impressed. he would rather see basic moves done properly to the music. Because born's experience as a bboy is totally different from yours, you are basically complaining about two separate things. it's like arguing over what tastes better, Coke or Pepsi?
I'm not a bboy so maybe some of my ideas are invalid, but i thing that 1 reason why Yass won was that he had "Battle Mentality", he brought fire to the table and he always ready to kill the opponent. As far as i know battle mentality is something strictly important to real hiphop battles, especially with the MZK-ers, every battle should be done right like it's on the street, not just simply a competition.
You mean the same born that's in Zulu Kings? You mean the same Zulu Kings that Yass is also member of? Don't get me wrong. I'm not questioning Born's ability to judge, but you couldn't call him impartial in this contest.
I rarely hate on my comments, but this was bullshit Ynot clearly won the battle. My so pissed off.
Completely biased judging. That is why it's always a bad idea to only have one judge. Yass shouldn't have even made it passed Heat Rock.
Stripe shirt guy looks like he's using cheat codes
yass win first round, ynot win the 2nd in my POV
ynot win the tie breaker
Problem 1. 2 rounds instead of 1 or 3. Problem 2. Only one judge. Problem 3 #zuluminati bullshit.
I agree with the tie. Both did good i would want to see another round. But i think ynot took the tie
I just came across this now wth?!...also born wth?!seriously
Yo YASS WIN o first round! ffckd bomond
This decision was a travesty. I thought that Ynot had so much more energy, so much more variety and was in a constant flow of toprocking. Yass was way behind in every aspect that I can think of.
Exactly. Completely agree.
*Ynot Flow and Feeling and Muscality. Ynot win!*
Lol... Yass had no respect in Paris, so he flew out to N.Y. to get some legitimity...
And now, he's supposed to "represent" N.Y.? Lol... Just lol very loud!
I like bboy Born's style so much but Ynot win this battle!
Pfff. Born fucked up.
thats y theres a judge and none of these clowns that dont kno how to judge correctly...im not a fan of yass but the dude pulled out way more burns and sadly ynot lost because of that...so chill and learn something about the dance
haters just only have keyboard.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
cold battle.
good guy ynot
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Ok, fucking bullshit. I came to check up on my boy Ynot because it's been a while and I see this shit. I have NEVER seen someone better than Ynot.
lol. bboy ynot is amazing but in bboy culture, noone is better than anyone
Yep. I understand that. Everyone has different styles. I've followed a lot of these guys for years. It's one thing to say there's different styles. But....come on, man. lol Good hipster answer, but we all know you know the deal, buddy. The boos say it all.
CR00K I'm not saying yass won this haha. I know the judging was biased. just saying ynot is not the best
Whacko and YNOT, for me personally. My favorite switches off between those two.
CR00K whacko's sick!! Ynot's my personal favorite too and born too (despite his judging lol)
No disrespect towards Yass but YNOT had way more vocab and he was way more sharper. Respect to both.
Ynot is boss!
YNOT, WHY YOU SO HANDSOME. LOL :D
Elfe versus Orque!
Ynot dope
Neg'one top rock style
omg .. smh ... what was born thinkin'' that if he didnt choose his homie he would get banned from zulu?! No one knows what the judges is thinking.. clearly you have to have some knowledge and understanding in top rock. Which i dont think he did! You dont have burns in top rock! uprocking yes there are burn... brooklyn rock there are burns.. top rock no burns! much respect to all, keep hip hop alive!
Ynot should have won, Yas first set round was good but the last 2 rounds not so good. he did repeat moves. Ynot had more of a variety.
it's not good to have one judge for battles... It's better to have 3 or 5 or at least 2... born is a good dancer, i respect him, but his decision was not good...
How can we respect a judgement that is obviously bias. There's something bigger here than "Respect the judges." No! We will not accept unfair treatment because we work hard to earn our skills. No one should turn a blind eye to that! Ynot was graceful, but the majority of the BBOY COMMUNITY will not forget this nor shall they feel compelled to attend an event that doesn't honor fair competition. When a referee makes a horrible call that costs a team the game, he is either banned or fined heavily. Where is the restitution here?
yass was boring compared to ynot lol..this made for a wack final.
Well, that was an obvious win for Ynot clearly much better in every way. Yass looks too stiff, Ynot is flowing.
YNOT WINNER ---- YNOT VS YASS & BORN
Lmfao I've been watching all these judge debout us vids and have noticed the controversial judge's decision, and not the judges' decision. That is where this whole jam goes wrong, having one judge who was obviously for his boy Yass. I am a fan of born and throughout the jam he's been makin calls so that his boy can take the win. In this battle he knew he had to make a draw because Ynot was so on point. C'mon man, this is why having one judge in General is dangerous, there is only one source to rely the winner on and not everyone will agree.