Well there is. Just saw a video yesterday where a guy made an "unpickable lock" and when he made it a bit more reliable and just better he sends it to the LPL. I'm thrilled to see if he can open it. Edit: It's from: Stuff made here
I feel that the Master Lock rating system is just a review from a professional thief. "10/10 lock, very easy to pick and since it's beefy it's often used to secure valuables."
The worst is that in many cases, this works. I remember in highschool I had a key with a weird bitting and just inserting it and wiggling it around in low quality locks would work like 6/10 times. It was crazy, not even a special tool. Eventually it died from lock STD
Ive opened more locks around my area with the city rake in 20k from the edc night crawler kit from sparrows than i have with my ssdev hooks in 15k. As far as quick keyless entry goes, a good rocker is key.
European locks: "classy thieves try to finesse their way in. We need more pick resistance." American locks: "they're gonna shoot their way in anyways. Make the body bullet proof, screw the lock."
I wanted to get to lockpicking because of these videos. Well, as a European I realised even my shed lock has 6 pins and very evil looking keyhole... Than I saw keys to my house, and I was like "nope, I saw even LPL struggle with this"
@@armypilot94 Same thoughts and observations. Locks here seem to be made in a different mindset alltogether. Maybe because Europeans don't share as much brotherly trust as North Americans?
One thing I noticed soon after I started picking is the keyways are wayyyyy more restrictive here by default. Like 035 picks are almost useless, even if you buy the cheapest of cheap locks. When I got my hands on 018 picks, things just started to make sense.
A pair of vice-grips will snap the kiss lock off easily. The only surprising thing whenever it happens is the point of failure is at the swing-hinge side of the lock.
With a black exterior and glittery lip gloss, the kiss lock is definitely a closet dominatrix. She loved watching the "manly" lock get bent over and raked.
I think Master lock's rating system is more based around how hard a lock would be to smash without regard to picking. They figure most people can't pick locks, so they're considering how resistant their locks are against bolt cutters, hammers, and other forms of brute destruction/entry. They probably think it's great that their locks are easy for pros to open: The pros aren't likely to be thieves, and people lose their keys all the time.
@@thatguybrody4819 the problem comes with the people that are novice in picking stuff. Like it would be SO easy for masterlock to make it just that lil bit harder to pick for that 9/10 that are novice in non destructive entry to be told "yup, f*** that" Yet they never do it. No locks can stop pro, but if they were bit more secure toward the one that knows their lock even a lil bit it would be more worth
The thing is, I can rake open a masterlock In like 3 seconds and I've had less than 5 minutes of lockpicking experience. It's really impossible to overstate how vulnerable these things are. when he says "low skilled raking attack" he really means "a trained monkey could open this lock." If the attacker has any lockpicking tools whatsoever, and a lockpicking skill better than lower primates, they win.
Pro are not likely to steal, but if it acceptable to rake attack, a literal lowest form, then you are likely to get attack by a stealthy robber, which is even worse then a robber who smashes a window
Honestly if it wasn't vulnerable to raking maybe but you don't even really need actual lock picking tools or any experience to open a lock vulnerable to raking. Any thin bit of metal jammed in and wiggled for less than a minute will do the trick.
"This is a master lock rated 1/10. As you can see, the lock body is made of sugar glass and the shackle is made out of wet noodles. The core on this, however, is the best core masterlock has ever made. It contains three sets of pins, all security, and an inverted magnetic pin. This core requires picking three times and has more false gates than a display room at a garden store." The video is still less than 5 minutes long.
I think he had a video that essentially had that paradigm, where the lock was meant to signify that a person was using a machine and not for "protection" but then included a 7 pin monstrosity. Video title is something like the paradox of masterlock.
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When most criminals you will see would rather brute force their way through master lock is a pretty good choice. Most of the time it will be a guy with a crowbar and bolt cutters not someone with a lockpick kit.
As a beginner picker (literally started learning on Wednesday) Master locks are so easy to pick... I bought a small one from Bunnings and I swear the thing takes me less than 10 seconds to pick
I remember in my school, we had a Master Lock holding closed some shed. Being the little kid and self-proclaimed genius I was, I dumped a little packet of soy sauce into it and stuck a hair pin into it, and somehow it opened. Master Lock never ceases to amaze
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*at least in the City of Discworlds Ankh Morpork you would receive an official receipt for your records/tourist memento after any theft as proof of services rendered by the Thieves Guild*
You are insulting the thieves cartel by comparing to Masterlock's decision makers. An influential thieves cartel itself has skilled thieves for picking the locks. Therefore they would make the locks pretty hard to pick open so that only their own thieves can pick them. Hence this would make sure that the valuable stuff is "reserved" for their own thieves to steal instead of being stolen by some random rogue thief. XD
My hubs and I were just talking last night and decided our favourite thing would be if you were to collect 25 of the "hardest" locks people send you to pick and create a big ol' advent calendar with doors locked up using those locks, and then you could do an advent unlock each day
I know this is a year old comment, but I find it funny the idea of spending $2500+ on locks and then putting them in a cardboard covering and throwing it all away on Christmas like you do with a regular advent calendar
@@MrDeothor Fastfood looks horrible to me. I suppose that's mostly because i associate the appearence with the taste and it tastes horrible. It makes me feel horrible afterwards too, because i normally eat healthy.
So this little Master Lock test showes us that their security rating is solely based on brute force attack and has nothing to do with the three locks core.
I suppose that's the more realistic approach, even if it's penny-pinching as hell. The vast majority of crooks prefer a pair of bolt cutters or a prybar to fiddling with lockpicks. The fancy ones might use an angle grinder.
Their logic is that for Joe Petty Larceny its way easier and cheaper to go to Home Depot and buy a Ryobi cordless angle grinder than it is to stop and bother to learn how to pick locks. A determined intruder will get in regardless, so make it untenable as possible for amateurs and you've got yourself a win.
@@internet_introvert But I can't imagine cost of adding security pins that they already have in some cores would be a big deal for a fairly expensive lock
Couple weeks ago, I realized that I'd lost the key to the Master disc-type lock on my storage unit. I am definitely a novice lock picker (and also a lawyer). So I showed up to my storage unit with my pick set, and a Dremel. After about ten minutes of trying unsuccessfully to pick the lock (I could feel some pins catch, and hear them drop when I released tension, but couldn't get it to open), I gave up and ground through the shackle with a cutting wheel on the Dremel (It was night-time, and the lot has 24-hour access, but the fact that ten minutes of sparks flying into the night air drew zero notice was not encouraging). I replaced it with a newer, beefier, boron-shackle Master disc lock. The newer lock came in a 2-pack, and a few days later I was bored in my car, and decided to see if I could pick that one. Open in... 30 seconds? Probably a little less. And as I said, I'm definitely a novice (I learned the theory behind lock picking 30 years ago, but have only actually done it a handful of times).. So I figured maybe I had trouble with the older lock because of the awkward angle while it was hanging on the door, so I tried it again (the mechanism is intact, even with half the shackle gone). Nada. It still won't open, and I've tried half-a dozen times now. So... Old Master disc lock: impenetrable to novice lockpicking, shackle cuts like warmed cheese. New Master disc lock: Opens faster than you trying to get the passenger door open so your buddy doesn't puke in your car, shackle would need at least 30 minutes, and probably three cutting disks to get through. Which is to say, everything LPL says here.
Ten minutes is long though for cutting through warm cheese. It looks like your reasoning has gone off. I hope this is not brought on to you by handling too many a Master locks, cause it would be bad if it would start affecting your activities as a lawyer.
@@harrickvharrick3957...what? Can you not tell the obvious exaggeration? This is a regular part of human communication, you really should be familiar with it already if you're able to write.
@@SovietReunionYT Well I got it wrong I see, it was ten minutes of picking. But I don't think I necessarily see were you are coming from either. He seems to be talking of an actual experience with actual times.
...or one of the springs in the old lock had siezed, so the pins in that chamber werent acting normally. I had an indian lock once that i had to tap on the side to get the last pin to drop in to the keyway so i could pick it. Even that cheepass piece of iron junk had longer pins to prevent overlifting.
To be fair, I live in a place with relatively high property crime relative to violent crimes, and the local police blotter often as gym locker thefts. They often mention that the locker was either burgled when unlocked and unattended, or the locks were broken. I've never seen them mention a lock being non-destructively opened. Considering Master's lineup and applications, picking does seem to be a relatively unusual thing compared to crowbars and hammers.
The worst part is if i gave somone a good lock they would put it on a $1 hasp or attach the lock to a good hasp attached with short screews to a plywood door most never give any actual thought to security until they have been robbed or violated
@@CheZfrmdaWestWisc i've been robbed 6 times, the police wouldn't do a darn thing only because i didn't have the serial numbers of what was stolen written down. the last time i told them, "no more, if i find my stuff, i'm taking care of it myself and you can go eat your doughnuts!"
Locks aren't really picked anyway in the real world. They're cut with angle grinders, bolt cutters or opened with hydraulic jacks. The actual locking mechanism is really only there for the owner.
@@mytube001 usually the case, but my $5 bike secured with a 20 pound chain is only as secure as my puck locks core or any other bypass flaws (20 pounds is the weight of its short 3 ft tractor pulling chain, not price). So at that stage it’s all about the core. Most bicycles though it’s true the core is rarely attempted as it’s so easy to break the cables or chains with any metal bar or pocket wire cutters, if it’s even locked at all. Or you’ll see missing wheels because they didn’t even put the lock through the wheels only the frame and that’s half the bike stolen right there. After a few bicycles stolen in college I started upping the “it’s not worth it” factor and stumbled across LPL looking for reviews on budget locks and was horrified (one I was looking at looked decent but could be instantly shimmed by a soda can or anything else flat). And now I watch almost every video he puts out and realized how much of an illusion of security everything is (much like Windows operating systems, it’s like locking the front door but not having even walls so you could just walk around the locked door...), pretty amazing it’s stuff like this people trust and rely on.
@@jakegarrett8109 "Using encryption on the Internet is the equivalent of arranging an armored car to deliver credit-card information from someone living in a cardboard box to someone living on a park bench." -- Gene Spafford
@@jakegarrett8109 Battery-powered angle grinders will chew through anything on the market in a matter of seconds. There is simply no defense any longer. These damned thieves are brazen enough to cut locks in the open, with people walking by. People probably either think it's the owner since no thief would do it in the open like that, or they realize that it is a theft in progress and look the other way since a thief may be armed and start a fight if confronted, and few onlookers are willing to risk that over a bike. The actual core of the lock has no relevance in the real world, when locking up bikes, motor bikes and equipment. Since the angle grinder will always be faster, that's always the best option.
They have the same budget for every lock design. If they skimp on the destructive security, then they can afford to go with a more complex core; if they use all standard pins, they can afford to make it sturdier.
Nah, I think they initially intended to go with the logo Mustard Lock but got even that wrong and it ended in Master Lock. Everything in a Master Lock is a fail anyway.
My wife pointed out when we watched this video that the Kiss key matching the lock exactly in design is also a security flaw, since if you manage to get hold of the key it's easy to identify what it goes to.
raking is so easy, you could seriously just watch this video, then yourself sit down with this lock, a rake, and a tension wrench, and you'd probably get it open in less than half an hour, and after a couple days know how to do it in less than a minute.
@@devonjames9883 I have picked some locks with security pins easily, but I have never been able to rake a lock. I honestly find raking to be really difficult
Like LPL said, Masterlock is just bad when it comes to Pick Resistance. Their main priority for "High Security" lock seems to be focused on destructive entry aka breaking the lock itself.
for relatively low security outdoor applications, where you probably won't find a lock picker, the big beefy lock that can take some blows or resist some bolt cutters is a surprisingly good choice.
The lock in question is available in a wide variety of styles. It's their standard enamel coated padlock, which is, surprisingly, one of their better padlocks when it comes to pick resistance. (This being relative). Master Lock tends to rate by brute destructive force resistance.
Have you considered the possibility that it only took nine minutes because it's not a challenging course and anyone who tried a little could do about the same?
This is really useful, because anytime a person needs to pick a lock, they can fully grasp it in a comfortable position in their hand with the lock being attached to nothing at all. Thanks.
my therapist mentioned your videos because my dad locked me out of my house with a master lock. She suggested I learn how to pick locks, and how she likes the videos of people picking locks. Bonding!
No. He doesn't care. I'm sure they are aware of these videos. Their engineering and manufacturing places probably have mindless people who just try getting through life making junk until retirement or a buyout with no real interest in innovation.
No he's perfectly fine with this since he knows that his job is marketing and really nothing else. Protecting masterlocks brand is about availability not reliability.
The toughest masterlock I've picked was one of the rated 10 locks, that turned out to actually be broken, the keys themselves didn't work. I only got it open once and it seems like I will never do it again.
This video was actually super informative ! I was looking for a lock to buy to practice on security pins (all I have are super cheap old bike locks and wafer locks) and I happend to have stumbled upon the "Kiss" lock while shopping for a very low price. Had a bit of an explaining to do to why I would pick this lock to practice instead of the beefier ones
Where as the beefy one would be used to deter actual criminals, the kiss sealed one would most likely be used by young teens to keep there siblings going through there stuff. The siblings are more likely to try and pick a lock then just bust it over. From personal experience, you don't want to leave evidence. If you were stripping out a shed, you might as well bust the lock open two.
@@SirJonathonDanielGregorySrVthe Nah, they just produce locks slightly less good than the competitors (and do a LOT more advertising). Where the competitors are lame (i.e., USA) MasterLock products are slightly lamer, that is, $hitty. Where the competitors produce realy good locks, MasterLock products are less bad than in the USA, but still bad by comparison with the competitors.
@@SerbanCMusca-ut8ny I blame big box hardware stores. Everyone goes there first when they don't know anything but they know they need Thing. But the store stocks everything from every category so they only stock what is most popular (not neccesarily what is best) in each category to optimise dollars per square foot of shelf space. The products self-trend towards lowest-common-denominator or highest advertising budget.
What I really want to see is LPL work with masterlock to reduce some of the critical vulnerabilities. I swear you should be a security vulnerability consultant to every major lock company.
We have 3 Masterlocks on our Shed. Our shed has been broken into 4 or 5 times in the last 10 years. Not once, has anyone picked their way in. I just received my Companion yesterday. I will be seeing if I can pick my way in using it just for fun. Here are the ways we have had them break in. 1. Cutting the chain. Someone sat there with a tiny hacksaw and (the small one that comes in some starter tool kits) for a long time... They left the hacksaw on the ground. 2. Someone found a vise grip and got it to connect to the head of the bolt holding the chain and managed to twist it off of the nut inside. 3. Cut the hinges. They aren't the cheapest padlocks. The shackle showed that they tried to hack through it, but they quickly changed to the chain. We don't know that we have lost anything from the shed. We suspect maybe an old sleeping bag and maybe an old tarp. Everything else was left. We did have a brand new Grill left in our trailer one week. The trailer is left unlocked. What does that all mean? Well. I replaced my Shrage lock with an Abloy, thinking I was being smart. Then I realized I had a 6ft x 6ft window right next to the door and sliding glass window on the back. To be fair to myself. I was worried that my Shrager key was compromised and I was much more worried about a specific person slipping in and getting onto my computer and leaving booby traps. Long story. I like having the Abloy even though I suspect it isn't all they say. I am not terrified of not having the best lock. I suspect learning to pick locks is on the rise. But I also suspect that the people studying it are less likely to use it for nefarious purposes.
I personally think they chose the “pick resistance” scale on the side for the factor that it’s a smaller lock, sure, smaller locks with less room are harder to pick but it doesn’t stop anyone who has a smaller size tension tool. To me I use a garden lock, since a 5 key lock pick takes longer than 1, essentially every lock out there can be picked so I want to use the simple garden lock just so I can have a huge chance to stop the intruder from picking any further.
You make this look so easy, it gives some of the confidence to try this ourselves and we all now have a new hobby, for that we thank you. Keep up the great work.
I am a complete novice picker and have been trying to pick one of these little swine's for three weeks and only succeeded once, I have raked it open many, many times. I feel better after watching this video.
Bigger pickups are more useful than smaller pickups or cars. As is the case with the big lock as many more people just use vice-grips, firearm, hammer, etc., to snap the 'challenging' locks, than there are actual lock picking thieves. Vice-grips make the least noise in the twist. This is the US though, if you're good at picking a lock, you make more money as a locksmith than a thief.
Comparison, for anyone interested. Regular Picking Method: Master Lock "Master Magnum: 19sec (1:27 - 1:46) (10/10 security, am I right, guys?) Master Lock "Kiss": 40 sec (2:15 - 2:55) Bonus: Raking method: Master Lock "Master Magnum": 3 sec. (1:57 - 2:00) Times measured at the moment LPL introduced/got the picking tool close to the keyway.
I'd like to say something, I've been watching you for about 7 months now and while I've been watching I was understanding how a lock works and what makes them more difficult than others. I just bought a lock picking kit and sir, you have INSANE sensitivity on your fingers. I can't feel where each pin is it just feels like pressure. So I congratulate you cause this whole time I was like man that looks easy
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I think they use better pins in locks that are for use inside a home or office and are traditionally smaller. My thought is that these locks will be most likely picked by other members of the household or office since they want to be discreet. While larger locks used out in the field like containers, trailers, and buildings are more likely to be destroyed to gain access
Your videos have driven me to take up the hobby! Got your pick set and practice lock... and today I just picked the Magnum M5. I feel like it was a fluke, though, cuz I haven't been able to repeat it. Also, tried raking, no joy. Ever onward though!
There are a lot of people who have beliefs built on false premises. It is very difficult to change their minds, because, as a group, they are telling each other that they are doing everything correctly. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
"It probably isn't marketed to guys like me...."
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There isn't a lock on the planet marketed to you.
So so true
At the same time, all of them. that's why we are here after all.
besides the bowley
well, there's the dual fork bowley lock
Well there is. Just saw a video yesterday where a guy made an "unpickable lock" and when he made it a bit more reliable and just better he sends it to the LPL. I'm thrilled to see if he can open it.
Edit: It's from: Stuff made here
I feel that the Master Lock rating system is just a review from a professional thief. "10/10 lock, very easy to pick and since it's beefy it's often used to secure valuables."
“4/10 breakable but harder to pick, almost never hides valuables because it’s skinny, but still is used to lock less valuable things.”
Lmao 🤣
Noob Lock has got to fix this shit
That is how locks should be rated xd
Hahahaha!
The idea of raking is so funny to me. “Yeah just wiggle it around, it’ll open up”
The worst is that in many cases, this works. I remember in highschool I had a key with a weird bitting and just inserting it and wiggling it around in low quality locks would work like 6/10 times. It was crazy, not even a special tool. Eventually it died from lock STD
Ive opened more locks around my area with the city rake in 20k from the edc night crawler kit from sparrows than i have with my ssdev hooks in 15k. As far as quick keyless entry goes, a good rocker is key.
@@dannymckenzie8329 wait.. opened lock in your area ? Like, locks that weren't yours? What were you doing
@@magusperde365 he is a locksmith as well
@@TheSam1902 lmao it reminds me, someone opened a school door with a hair pin by just wiggling it in
"We probably should be able to rake this open as well."
STOP, STOP, HE'S ALREADY DEAD!
OVERKILL
@@johnwick247 FATALITY!
Deserved, though!
This lock is literally a poser: tough body, but a weak core inside.
LPL has committed lock crimes he must be arrested under the loceva convention
@ALAN CHOW HO HAN Moe all in that velvety voice of his....he calmly destroys master lock like hannibal eating a mans kidney with some fava beans
Easy, the smaller one is sealed with a kiss 💋
Mrs. LPL will probably not like that lock.
Lol... get out
@@Radiant100 shut up
@@Radiant100 How about report your comment as spam?
Does that help?
Nicely done.
European locks: "classy thieves try to finesse their way in. We need more pick resistance."
American locks: "they're gonna shoot their way in anyways. Make the body bullet proof, screw the lock."
This tbh
I wanted to get to lockpicking because of these videos. Well, as a European I realised even my shed lock has 6 pins and very evil looking keyhole... Than I saw keys to my house, and I was like "nope, I saw even LPL struggle with this"
@@armypilot94 Same thoughts and observations. Locks here seem to be made in a different mindset alltogether. Maybe because Europeans don't share as much brotherly trust as North Americans?
One thing I noticed soon after I started picking is the keyways are wayyyyy more restrictive here by default. Like 035 picks are almost useless, even if you buy the cheapest of cheap locks.
When I got my hands on 018 picks, things just started to make sense.
id say that is a very mean stereotype but the episode with lpl and bosnian bill shooting at locks was such a joy to watch.
So Master Lock is so bad that when they try to make a novelty lock it’s actually better than their own high security lock. Amazing.
It's more pick resistant but honestly considering that most junkies aren't going to bother with picking does that really matter ?
A pair of vice-grips will snap the kiss lock off easily. The only surprising thing whenever it happens is the point of failure is at the swing-hinge side of the lock.
@@clothar23 you’re doubting the ingenuity of crackheads
@@fort809 Please the only thing those subhumans understand is brute force and which pawn shops will accept obviously stolen goods.
The sad thing is l have the same beefy Master lock.
Because before l knew about LPL, l thought Master Lock were the best locks .
"That's a clang out of one, and a clunk out of two. And that's both locks in the trashcan, where they belong."
Smooth
LOL
Nice one ! 🤣😅🤣
Hahaha this has me laughing hard. Thanks
no he'd definitely be more passive aggressive with it
LPL: "...we probably should be able to rake this open, as well."
Beefy lock: "No please, not in front of Lady Lock!"
hahaha, he lost his respect a looong time ago
Lmao😂
With a black exterior and glittery lip gloss, the kiss lock is definitely a closet dominatrix. She loved watching the "manly" lock get bent over and raked.
@@myaoneill6066 i dont even know what to say
Read that as Arnold Circa 1981
"...probably isn't marketed to guys like me."
Master Lock: "Is that an insult? I can't tell!"
@@Radiant100 if you upload a single video i will.
@@Radiant100 Yeah, no. Reported.
@@Radiant100 ask your parents to give me one as well
Oh god, what happened here?
@@bensimmons3057 A kid begging for subs. 🙄
I think LPL is just trying to goad Master into responding. You could even say, we're watching LPL master-bait.
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I think Master lock's rating system is more based around how hard a lock would be to smash without regard to picking. They figure most people can't pick locks, so they're considering how resistant their locks are against bolt cutters, hammers, and other forms of brute destruction/entry. They probably think it's great that their locks are easy for pros to open: The pros aren't likely to be thieves, and people lose their keys all the time.
This. 9 times out of 10 the thief will be packing prybars and bolt cutters not lockpicks.
@@thatguybrody4819 the problem comes with the people that are novice in picking stuff.
Like it would be SO easy for masterlock to make it just that lil bit harder to pick for that 9/10 that are novice in non destructive entry to be told "yup, f*** that"
Yet they never do it.
No locks can stop pro, but if they were bit more secure toward the one that knows their lock even a lil bit it would be more worth
The thing is, I can rake open a masterlock In like 3 seconds and I've had less than 5 minutes of lockpicking experience. It's really impossible to overstate how vulnerable these things are. when he says "low skilled raking attack" he really means "a trained monkey could open this lock." If the attacker has any lockpicking tools whatsoever, and a lockpicking skill better than lower primates, they win.
Pro are not likely to steal, but if it acceptable to rake attack, a literal lowest form, then you are likely to get attack by a stealthy robber, which is even worse then a robber who smashes a window
Honestly if it wasn't vulnerable to raking maybe but you don't even really need actual lock picking tools or any experience to open a lock vulnerable to raking. Any thin bit of metal jammed in and wiggled for less than a minute will do the trick.
10 out of 10 security rating means 10 seconds to open it.
with a key
@No Power 10 out of 10 deception
Nope! It means all 10 inspectors at the factory were able to pick it. Lol. 🤪🤪🤪
With the rake, it opened in literally 5 seconds
I thought it meant that 10 out of 10 times you can pick it...
Next on LPL: "Literally unpickable master lock found as a gag gift prize with a bag of chips"
Literally unpickable... but the core is made of plastic, the shackle is shimable, and the lock is bypassable.
*crisps
@@HurrikinProductions no, chips
@@somerandomgamer8504 crispy chipys
@@somerandomgamer8504 Definitely Crisps. Unless you've gone to a strange chipper that puts locks in they're bags of chips.
Master Lock only rates their locks for how secure they are if someone is going to shoot them with a handgun.
Well, LPL *did* test that too
@@SpartanIVAlpha015 what episode was that?
@@SpartanIVAlpha015 but it remained a mystery
Funny because they actually put that on some of their packaging
They might as well just sell a carabiner with a bulletproof vest taped to it
"I stopped trying to make sense of master lock design decisions long ago" w h e e z e
Imagine the power of a 1/10 master lock
Breaks instantly from physical force, but requires a full minute to pick
maybe the pins are made from paper tissues
1/10 is just a piece of duct tape xD Easy to cut open, impossible to pick.
"This is a master lock rated 1/10. As you can see, the lock body is made of sugar glass and the shackle is made out of wet noodles. The core on this, however, is the best core masterlock has ever made. It contains three sets of pins, all security, and an inverted magnetic pin. This core requires picking three times and has more false gates than a display room at a garden store."
The video is still less than 5 minutes long.
You're referring to the Master lock LOTO locks that are plastic bodied with 7 security pins in them.
I think he had a video that essentially had that paradigm, where the lock was meant to signify that a person was using a machine and not for "protection" but then included a 7 pin monstrosity. Video title is something like the paradox of masterlock.
You know it's bad when a diary-looking lock is harder to pick😂😂
lol "my diary is impenetrable but frick the garage"
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At this point I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happened.
@@Radiant100
That made up story is such a stretch, I'm amazed reality didn't snap and rubberband right in your face.
@@Radiant100 look man begging is only going to get you a few pity subs
All MasterLocks are Kiss Rated, as in “Kiss your stuff goodbye”
HAHAHAHAHAHA
When most criminals you will see would rather brute force their way through master lock is a pretty good choice. Most of the time it will be a guy with a crowbar and bolt cutters not someone with a lockpick kit.
@@thatguybrody4819 but if you get a better lock that can slow down brute force *and* picking you're just making a financially more sound decision
As a beginner picker (literally started learning on Wednesday) Master locks are so easy to pick... I bought a small one from Bunnings and I swear the thing takes me less than 10 seconds to pick
there are a number of masterlock locks where to pick can be as simple as thwacking the lock against a solid surface
Now you can call yourself master beginner.
I remember in my school, we had a Master Lock holding closed some shed. Being the little kid and self-proclaimed genius I was, I dumped a little packet of soy sauce into it and stuck a hair pin into it, and somehow it opened.
Master Lock never ceases to amaze
@@somerandomgamer8504 ok I gotta ask, what in the WORLD was the soy sauce supposed to be for
Any updates on your abilities now in relation to Master Lock?
"Nothing on 1". Oh 1, so often you disappoint.
That, or their reputation is flawless and their alibi air-tight.
Yo can you guys please help me? My parents promise that if I can get 10k subs before Christmas they will get me a new Headset , and I really need a new one🥺. If y’all could help that would be great, but if you don’t that’s fine.👌
In its defense, 1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.
@@Radiant100 No. Reported.
Also reported
I suspect Masterlock is being secretly run by an international thieves cartel.
*at least in the City of Discworlds Ankh Morpork you would receive an official receipt for your records/tourist memento after any theft as proof of services rendered by the Thieves Guild*
Or maybe the cartel that owned Crypto AG and made them add hidden weaknesses in every product.
John DoDo Doe so the government?
@@scottmantooth8785 heh, nice
You are insulting the thieves cartel by comparing to Masterlock's decision makers.
An influential thieves cartel itself has skilled thieves for picking the locks.
Therefore they would make the locks pretty hard to pick open so that only their own thieves can pick them.
Hence this would make sure that the valuable stuff is "reserved" for their own thieves to steal instead of being stolen by some random rogue thief.
XD
Masterlock: Am I a joke to you?
LPL viewership: Yes.
"You are not a joke, you are the entire Laff's Comedy Club."
Out of all of that, I like the idea of putting matching logos on locks and keys. Like in a video game.
They should all do that. It'd be a time-saver.
Good for finding out which remote is used for the TV too.
“That’s not gonna make much difference for somebody like me”
Wow, our boy showing off here
Less showing off, more statement of fact.
Hahah fuck I was on this comment as he said it.🤯
casual flex there......
It’s not showing off when it’s true. He’s just stating facts.
rightfully, lol
My heart sank when he said we should be able to rake this open...
I was totally expecting him to rake it first but was satisfied when I seen him pull it out
@@joetroutt7425 TWSS 😁
@@joetroutt7425 I was surprised when he pulled out a pick first after hearing that these were standard pins
I’m just waiting for the day he drops a master lock on the table and it opens
With rakes available on CovertInstruments.Com
Security pins were obviously filed under "Added bling" at Master Lock.
My hubs and I were just talking last night and decided our favourite thing would be if you were to collect 25 of the "hardest" locks people send you to pick and create a big ol' advent calendar with doors locked up using those locks, and then you could do an advent unlock each day
You and your husband seem like amazing people to be friends with.
@@alexandraondrea3191 haha....thanks. We have our moments. Mostly we're boring folks....sitting around and binge watching CZcams, snax in hand. lol
Yesss
I know this is a year old comment, but I find it funny the idea of spending $2500+ on locks and then putting them in a cardboard covering and throwing it all away on Christmas like you do with a regular advent calendar
@@jblen haha....this is why he should use the locks people send to him. No sense spending his own money. lol
you'd think since basic wave raking attacks are one of the oldest tricks in the book that resistance to them would just be industry standard.
masterlock is like fastfood of locks. Looks nice, but it's trash.
@@MrDeothor Fastfood looks horrible to me. I suppose that's mostly because i associate the appearence with the taste and it tastes horrible. It makes me feel horrible afterwards too, because i normally eat healthy.
@@leandrog2785 cool
@@leandrog2785 cool
@@leandrog2785 cool
So this little Master Lock test showes us that their security rating is solely based on brute force attack and has nothing to do with the three locks core.
exactly
The logical extension of that line up are the Master Lock Zenex Locks. Awesome Core - thermo plastic housing.
I suppose that's the more realistic approach, even if it's penny-pinching as hell.
The vast majority of crooks prefer a pair of bolt cutters or a prybar to fiddling with lockpicks. The fancy ones might use an angle grinder.
Their logic is that for Joe Petty Larceny its way easier and cheaper to go to Home Depot and buy a Ryobi cordless angle grinder than it is to stop and bother to learn how to pick locks.
A determined intruder will get in regardless, so make it untenable as possible for amateurs and you've got yourself a win.
@@internet_introvert But I can't imagine cost of adding security pins that they already have in some cores would be a big deal for a fairly expensive lock
Couple weeks ago, I realized that I'd lost the key to the Master disc-type lock on my storage unit. I am definitely a novice lock picker (and also a lawyer).
So I showed up to my storage unit with my pick set, and a Dremel. After about ten minutes of trying unsuccessfully to pick the lock (I could feel some pins catch, and hear them drop when I released tension, but couldn't get it to open), I gave up and ground through the shackle with a cutting wheel on the Dremel (It was night-time, and the lot has 24-hour access, but the fact that ten minutes of sparks flying into the night air drew zero notice was not encouraging). I replaced it with a newer, beefier, boron-shackle Master disc lock.
The newer lock came in a 2-pack, and a few days later I was bored in my car, and decided to see if I could pick that one.
Open in... 30 seconds? Probably a little less. And as I said, I'm definitely a novice (I learned the theory behind lock picking 30 years ago, but have only actually done it a handful of times)..
So I figured maybe I had trouble with the older lock because of the awkward angle while it was hanging on the door, so I tried it again (the mechanism is intact, even with half the shackle gone). Nada. It still won't open, and I've tried half-a dozen times now.
So...
Old Master disc lock: impenetrable to novice lockpicking, shackle cuts like warmed cheese.
New Master disc lock: Opens faster than you trying to get the passenger door open so your buddy doesn't puke in your car, shackle would need at least 30 minutes, and probably three cutting disks to get through.
Which is to say, everything LPL says here.
Ten minutes is long though for cutting through warm cheese. It looks like your reasoning has gone off. I hope this is not brought on to you by handling too many a Master locks, cause it would be bad if it would start affecting your activities as a lawyer.
@@harrickvharrick3957...what? Can you not tell the obvious exaggeration? This is a regular part of human communication, you really should be familiar with it already if you're able to write.
@@SovietReunionYT Well I got it wrong I see, it was ten minutes of picking. But I don't think I necessarily see were you are coming from either. He seems to be talking of an actual experience with actual times.
So if they combined the two designs, they might actually have a decent lock.
...or one of the springs in the old lock had siezed, so the pins in that chamber werent acting normally. I had an indian lock once that i had to tap on the side to get the last pin to drop in to the keyway so i could pick it. Even that cheepass piece of iron junk had longer pins to prevent overlifting.
To be fair, I live in a place with relatively high property crime relative to violent crimes, and the local police blotter often as gym locker thefts. They often mention that the locker was either burgled when unlocked and unattended, or the locks were broken. I've never seen them mention a lock being non-destructively opened. Considering Master's lineup and applications, picking does seem to be a relatively unusual thing compared to crowbars and hammers.
"a tough boron alloy shackle, a beefy steel lock body" ...and a core made of melted butter!
The worst part is if i gave somone a good lock they would put it on a $1 hasp or attach the lock to a good hasp attached with short screews to a plywood door most never give any actual thought to security until they have been robbed or violated
@@CheZfrmdaWestWisc i've been robbed 6 times, the police wouldn't do a darn thing only because i didn't have the serial numbers of what was stolen written down. the last time i told them, "no more, if i find my stuff, i'm taking care of it myself and you can go eat your doughnuts!"
So security scales is for how "intimidating" the locks look if you were to forced your way in.
tbf, "looks secure" is almost as good as "is actually secure" under a lot of circumstances
Locks aren't really picked anyway in the real world. They're cut with angle grinders, bolt cutters or opened with hydraulic jacks. The actual locking mechanism is really only there for the owner.
@@mytube001 usually the case, but my $5 bike secured with a 20 pound chain is only as secure as my puck locks core or any other bypass flaws (20 pounds is the weight of its short 3 ft tractor pulling chain, not price). So at that stage it’s all about the core.
Most bicycles though it’s true the core is rarely attempted as it’s so easy to break the cables or chains with any metal bar or pocket wire cutters, if it’s even locked at all. Or you’ll see missing wheels because they didn’t even put the lock through the wheels only the frame and that’s half the bike stolen right there.
After a few bicycles stolen in college I started upping the “it’s not worth it” factor and stumbled across LPL looking for reviews on budget locks and was horrified (one I was looking at looked decent but could be instantly shimmed by a soda can or anything else flat). And now I watch almost every video he puts out and realized how much of an illusion of security everything is (much like Windows operating systems, it’s like locking the front door but not having even walls so you could just walk around the locked door...), pretty amazing it’s stuff like this people trust and rely on.
@@jakegarrett8109 "Using encryption on the Internet is the equivalent of arranging an armored car to deliver credit-card information from someone living in a cardboard box to someone living on a park bench."
-- Gene Spafford
@@jakegarrett8109 Battery-powered angle grinders will chew through anything on the market in a matter of seconds. There is simply no defense any longer. These damned thieves are brazen enough to cut locks in the open, with people walking by. People probably either think it's the owner since no thief would do it in the open like that, or they realize that it is a theft in progress and look the other way since a thief may be armed and start a fight if confronted, and few onlookers are willing to risk that over a bike.
The actual core of the lock has no relevance in the real world, when locking up bikes, motor bikes and equipment. Since the angle grinder will always be faster, that's always the best option.
"This Master lock requires at least some skill."
There's something I've never heard before!
That kiss lock took the longest of any master lock 😂😂😂😂
Who else thought the smaller lock was still packaged?
I did, but really, who cares?
Hahahah lol me too. It gave a reflection i thought would come from the plastic cover.
lol i thought it was just a picture
Yes! It tripped me out when picked it up lol
LPL: "Next, I will try to open the kiss lock using the designated safeword"
"The pick that Bosnian Bill and I made..."
{Lock opens}
Good luck with that. I can imagine that the current postal service problems are a nightmare for people hoping for a key being returned.
czcams.com/users/results?search_query=my+safe+word+is+pineapple+juice
"I stopped trying to make sense of Master Lock design decisions long ago."
They have the same budget for every lock design. If they skimp on the destructive security, then they can afford to go with a more complex core; if they use all standard pins, they can afford to make it sturdier.
I think they call them "Master locks" because people can easily "master" how to pick them.
Nah, I think it's supposed to be the opposite of a master key - a lock that can be opened multiple ways...
Nah, I think they initially intended to go with the logo Mustard Lock but got even that wrong and it ended in Master Lock. Everything in a Master Lock is a fail anyway.
What even is a limited lifetime warranty?
The warranty expires when the lifetime of the lock ends? Isnt that convinient.
Exactly. Lol.
That literally is the warranty: the working life of the lock 😂 shame they never worked
Warranty expired when the key is first inserted?
@@shootthemoon6072 thats good for lpl then
Usually I think it means limited by how it breaks. That's what I always thought. Like if you abuse it the warranty won't cover it.
That Master Lock Magnum is one of my "Practice" locks that I started learning how to pick locks with.
My wife pointed out when we watched this video that the Kiss key matching the lock exactly in design is also a security flaw, since if you manage to get hold of the key it's easy to identify what it goes to.
Watching this while I unlock someone's Master Lock.
and you had 3 min 20 sec to spare, right?
Uh-oh 👀
In this episode, santa panties lady keeps dropping hints with a kiss lock.
Can you add comments to favourites?
He may be building up to something.
But what would Misses LPL do when she throws him out of the house? Change the locks...?
I like "Santa Panties Lady" now in the lexicon right next to "the pick Bosnian Bill and I made"
when i saw the thumbnail, I thought it was another episode of that saga
I love how he can predict when a pin is going to click before it actually does
he don't predict it, he demands it
If I close my eyes sometimes I feel like I am in a dentist appointment. "counter-rotation on 1, 3 is binding, nothing on 4..."
if you're getting counter-rotation on 1, you need to go to the dentist more often
...a click on 2...
@@pkmnfrk lmfao
I'm beginning to notice a theme in the videos and it's not even Valentine's Day
🤔I wonder if the same lady that sent the nightie sent this.
For the LPL, neither is hard to pick.
For us, we don't even bother trying
I just use a "Master" hammer... Usually, one swing and I'm in...
@@bigd7861just use ramset
raking is so easy, you could seriously just watch this video, then yourself sit down with this lock, a rake, and a tension wrench, and you'd probably get it open in less than half an hour, and after a couple days know how to do it in less than a minute.
@@devonjames9883 I have picked some locks with security pins easily, but I have never been able to rake a lock. I honestly find raking to be really difficult
I have a 10 year old daughter who can pick each of my masterlocks in less than 2 minutes. Seriously, they are REALLY easy to pick.
When LPL says "Ok folks" you know he's about to be seriously disappointed
Like LPL said, Masterlock is just bad when it comes to Pick Resistance. Their main priority for "High Security" lock seems to be focused on destructive entry aka breaking the lock itself.
Me seeing the video is 3 minutes long : ahh its probably a pretty good lock
Several seconds later : pull out another lock
and open it twice
I use Masterlock when I’m worried I might lose my key or forget it at home.
This joke took about 300ms longer for me to get than it should have lmao
@@since1876 so, about the same amount of time it takes LPL to pick a Masterlock?
for relatively low security outdoor applications, where you probably won't find a lock picker, the big beefy lock that can take some blows or resist some bolt cutters is a surprisingly good choice.
The lock in question is available in a wide variety of styles. It's their standard enamel coated padlock, which is, surprisingly, one of their better padlocks when it comes to pick resistance. (This being relative).
Master Lock tends to rate by brute destructive force resistance.
No one will see this, but it only took me nine minutes to do my Theatre final and that feels pretty good.
What?
I’m proud of you son
Congrats!
Congrats! I know the feeling of having to shout good news into the void. Lol
Have you considered the possibility that it only took nine minutes because it's not a challenging course and anyone who tried a little could do about the same?
Europeans - have pickin tools so a small lock is good enough
Americans- have shotguns 🤣🤣🤣
Vice-grips would easily snap the European (kiss lock) option
This is really useful, because anytime a person needs to pick a lock, they can fully grasp it in a comfortable position in their hand with the lock being attached to nothing at all. Thanks.
I just luv this channel...it hooked me on learning this. As an MEP engineer it gives me the puzzles i love.
I thought the Christmas panty-Cognac lady send you a lock this time when i saw the thumbnail
Masterlock are like: Wait, what do you mean locks can be picked?
Masterlock: You can't pick a lock without blunt force. That's why our 10/10 are designed with durability in mind and not rakes! Rakes are for leaves!
my therapist mentioned your videos because my dad locked me out of my house with a master lock. She suggested I learn how to pick locks, and how she likes the videos of people picking locks. Bonding!
"that is not going to make much difference to someone like me" LMAO
I can hear the sweat dripping off of the Master Lock’s CEO’s head.
No. He doesn't care. I'm sure they are aware of these videos. Their engineering and manufacturing places probably have mindless people who just try getting through life making junk until retirement or a buyout with no real interest in innovation.
Master Lock execs: Not a single Ef given for a long, long time. "We got the name, got the distribution channels. Oh yeah, we make some 'locks'"
@@robertlawrence9000 uff.. 🔥
Master Lock gives no Fs.
They just don't care.
No he's perfectly fine with this since he knows that his job is marketing and really nothing else. Protecting masterlocks brand is about availability not reliability.
The toughest masterlock I've picked was one of the rated 10 locks, that turned out to actually be broken, the keys themselves didn't work. I only got it open once and it seems like I will never do it again.
This video was actually super informative ! I was looking for a lock to buy to practice on security pins (all I have are super cheap old bike locks and wafer locks) and I happend to have stumbled upon the "Kiss" lock while shopping for a very low price. Had a bit of an explaining to do to why I would pick this lock to practice instead of the beefier ones
Where as the beefy one would be used to deter actual criminals, the kiss sealed one would most likely be used by young teens to keep there siblings going through there stuff. The siblings are more likely to try and pick a lock then just bust it over. From personal experience, you don't want to leave evidence. If you were stripping out a shed, you might as well bust the lock open two.
that moment when nobody at master lock knows how to lock pick.
Except clearly the European guy they have working on the shitty cheap locks.
@@SirJonathonDanielGregorySrVthe Nah, they just produce locks slightly less good than the competitors (and do a LOT more advertising). Where the competitors are lame (i.e., USA) MasterLock products are slightly lamer, that is, $hitty. Where the competitors produce realy good locks, MasterLock products are less bad than in the USA, but still bad by comparison with the competitors.
@@SerbanCMusca-ut8ny I blame big box hardware stores. Everyone goes there first when they don't know anything but they know they need Thing. But the store stocks everything from every category so they only stock what is most popular (not neccesarily what is best) in each category to optimise dollars per square foot of shelf space. The products self-trend towards lowest-common-denominator or highest advertising budget.
What I really want to see is LPL work with masterlock to reduce some of the critical vulnerabilities. I swear you should be a security vulnerability consultant to every major lock company.
We have 3 Masterlocks on our Shed. Our shed has been broken into 4 or 5 times in the last 10 years. Not once, has anyone picked their way in. I just received my Companion yesterday. I will be seeing if I can pick my way in using it just for fun.
Here are the ways we have had them break in.
1. Cutting the chain. Someone sat there with a tiny hacksaw and (the small one that comes in some starter tool kits) for a long time... They left the hacksaw on the ground.
2. Someone found a vise grip and got it to connect to the head of the bolt holding the chain and managed to twist it off of the nut inside.
3. Cut the hinges.
They aren't the cheapest padlocks. The shackle showed that they tried to hack through it, but they quickly changed to the chain.
We don't know that we have lost anything from the shed. We suspect maybe an old sleeping bag and maybe an old tarp. Everything else was left.
We did have a brand new Grill left in our trailer one week. The trailer is left unlocked.
What does that all mean?
Well. I replaced my Shrage lock with an Abloy, thinking I was being smart. Then I realized I had a 6ft x 6ft window right next to the door and sliding glass window on the back. To be fair to myself. I was worried that my Shrager key was compromised and I was much more worried about a specific person slipping in and getting onto my computer and leaving booby traps. Long story.
I like having the Abloy even though I suspect it isn't all they say.
I am not terrified of not having the best lock. I suspect learning to pick locks is on the rise. But I also suspect that the people studying it are less likely to use it for nefarious purposes.
It’s clear they don’t care much about the core design and mostly focus on physical security. Great video
Lol. The second locks name is “Magnum”. Perfect to pair with the kiss lock. 😂😂😂
😂
I personally think they chose the “pick resistance” scale on the side for the factor that it’s a smaller lock, sure, smaller locks with less room are harder to pick but it doesn’t stop anyone who has a smaller size tension tool. To me I use a garden lock, since a 5 key lock pick takes longer than 1, essentially every lock out there can be picked so I want to use the simple garden lock just so I can have a huge chance to stop the intruder from picking any further.
*Walks up to the hardware store counter*
"I Need all your kiss locks please. Im looking to secure my home."
THIS BLOWS MY MIND. Everytime I watch your vids I’m amazed and really need to consider my locking devices
LPL: Here's a Master lock...
Me: Here we go again...
You make this look so easy, it gives some of the confidence to try this ourselves and we all now have a new hobby, for that we thank you. Keep up the great work.
Level 10 security on Masterlock's scale is a 1 on everyone else's scale.
I am a complete novice picker and have been trying to pick one of these little swine's for three weeks and only succeeded once, I have raked it open many, many times. I feel better after watching this video.
Master Magnum? It's like a guy compensating with a huge pick up.
Except the truck has an i4 2.0
Bigger pickups are more useful than smaller pickups or cars. As is the case with the big lock as many more people just use vice-grips, firearm, hammer, etc., to snap the 'challenging' locks, than there are actual lock picking thieves. Vice-grips make the least noise in the twist.
This is the US though, if you're good at picking a lock, you make more money as a locksmith than a thief.
When it comes to Master locks, nothing and everything surprises me at the same time.
Comparison, for anyone interested.
Regular Picking Method:
Master Lock "Master Magnum: 19sec (1:27 - 1:46) (10/10 security, am I right, guys?)
Master Lock "Kiss": 40 sec (2:15 - 2:55)
Bonus:
Raking method:
Master Lock "Master Magnum": 3 sec. (1:57 - 2:00)
Times measured at the moment LPL introduced/got the picking tool close to the keyway.
Master Lock KISS: "Keep It Simple, Stupid" - this sounds like a message from a desperate engineer to the top brass.
I'd like to say something, I've been watching you for about 7 months now and while I've been watching I was understanding how a lock works and what makes them more difficult than others. I just bought a lock picking kit and sir, you have INSANE sensitivity on your fingers. I can't feel where each pin is it just feels like pressure. So I congratulate you cause this whole time I was like man that looks easy
The security scale rating is the time for lockpicking it, measured in seconds
It doesn't factor in rakes, apparently!
I am Locksmither in Brazil, and I have followed your videos, they have good tips! Inspiration for me to build a new way online. Forte Abraço and Success!
i honestly love the (completely justified) confidence this guy has in his skills
I think master lock got confused with 1 being the hardest and 10 being the easiest. 🙂
0:19 If Masterlock scored their own product that low, just *blowing* on it should pop it open!
I think they use better pins in locks that are for use inside a home or office and are traditionally smaller. My thought is that these locks will be most likely picked by other members of the household or office since they want to be discreet. While larger locks used out in the field like containers, trailers, and buildings are more likely to be destroyed to gain access
Your the best Mr LPL !!
Happy Xmas and hope you have a fantastic new year's with all the lockpicking family 🎄👪❗👍🏼
someone: LPL, how much time would you need to rake open the big intimidating MasterLock?
LPL: yes.
This lock would have been at home on a certain “gift box” LPL recently received 😅
The kiss lock is perfect for your "festive packaging" lockbox :D
Your videos have driven me to take up the hobby! Got your pick set and practice lock... and today I just picked the Magnum M5. I feel like it was a fluke, though, cuz I haven't been able to repeat it. Also, tried raking, no joy. Ever onward though!
Is it just me or does it feel like this guy is going around and stealing locks lol
What are they gonna do, lock him up?
@@offscreen6578 sue him, probably
@@DeeSnow97 fool he’s a lawyer
I'm sure he buys some for sake of making videos however I think he has a bit of them sent via the viewers
@@TDudePro Oh my god, he is untouchable
I had a feeling that the smaller lock might've been more pick resistant. It reminded me of the LOTO paradox for some reason.
i don't know if its your expertise or soothing voice hat keeps me coming back.
There are a lot of people who have beliefs built on false premises. It is very difficult to change their minds, because, as a group, they are telling each other that they are doing everything correctly. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!