Decoding the RAREST 70's Nova SS in the World! | Carlisle GM National's 2023
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It's fantastic to see a young guy so knowledgeable about car's that were built long before he was born. Great job dude!
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@@georgewetzel4380 blow me! Did I spell that right?
Gotta say…you do a fantastic job on this video explaining year to year changes and options.
On the 71 those aren't ladder bars but they're called traction bars or old school slapper bars. Excellent explanation of the novas 👍
It's encouraging to see a young guy so knowledgeable about the cars that we "white hairs" loved so much. Great job, keep those videos coming!
Most important thing to know about 1970's Novas with emissions slug 350" engines was $200 in parts could bump the power from 165 HP up to a respectable 350-375 HP...
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Man! This dude knows his details. I never knew there were 28 coils on the heavier hood springs vs 26
Nice to hear and see the respect shown to these beautiful cars.. Well done young man 👍
My uncle has a 1970 Nova SS 396 L78 375 hp. Has owned it 50 years. It has bench seat, column shift, radio delete & steel wheels with dog dish hubcaps. 👍
Don't forget the smaller turn signal/parking lights in the '68 and '69 front bumper.
The '70 has Buick Road Wheels rather than proper Magnum 500s.
Good call.
Yeah I spotted the Buick wheels too.
Great video but I have a few clarifications:
1:02 Disc brakes were optional on all Novas in 1968 so, yes, an SS could have disc brakes however, finned front drums were standard on the SS while non-SS had non-finned front drums.
2:02 the tail light trim panel was not unique to the SS. It was standard on SS Novas but it was also optional on non-SS Novas (minus the SS emblem) as part of the ZJ2 Custom Exterior package.
3:58 Fender Louvers. Yes, they were on 1969 and 1970 only but not all 1969 and 1970 Novas had them. They were optional or part of another package. For 1969-70 SS Novas or standard Novas with the ZJ2 Custom Exterior package, the louvers were body color with chrome edges. Non-SS 1969-70 Novas with the ZJ5 Exterior Decor package got fender louvers that were completely body color and no chrome. Non-SS 1969-70 Novas without either package had no fender louvers.
4:52 The K does not technically denote a Super Sport Nova. The K denotes the L48 350 4-bbl engine. But, because that engine was only available in the Super Sport, you can deduce that it’s a Super Sport. That may be picking nits but the K is just the engine code.
6:50 the console and gauges were not part of the SS package. Neither were the bucket seats. All were optional on an SS and all were optional on non-SS Novas as well.
7:00 the M21 was the close ratio 4-Speed. The M20 and M22 were wide ratio 4-speeds with the M20 being standard duty and the M22 being heavy duty.
8:16 the “hatchback hutch” was an option you could dealer order for 1973-up hatchback Novas.
8:30 if that’s a 1971 Nova then it’s NOT a big block car. 1970 was the last year for a big block Nova.
9:13 That is a 1966 Nova, not 1967. 1966 had all bright headlight bezels while 1967 has the grill extend into the headlight bezels. Also, the L79 350 Hp engine with the dual snorkel air cleaner was 1966 only. The L79 in 1967 has a different intake (iron vs aluminum in ‘66), a open element air cleaner and was rated at 325 hp.
Again, great video. I just wanted to clarify some small details.
Happy Motoring!
I am just blown away, With your knowledge and explain it everything with these fantastic rare Chevy vehicles thank you
I love Nova's they are one of my favorite muscle cars . They are always underappreciated. When I was a little kid my parents had one. I thought it had the coolest sound like a monster. Lol
Great video. Love the way you explain and tell the differences on each year
A lot of great info! I myself am a stickler for knowing details and answering questions on what year cars are. Very nice video, thanks for sharing!
Very knowledgeable young man The only thing that I heard wrong was when he was talking about the white 71 and said super sports had 12 bolt rear ends My 69 from the factory was ordered by the salesman with 10 bolt 308 gears I’m sure he didn’t know exactly what he was doing and at the time neither did I Great video young man!!!
12-bolts were not standard on all SS-Novas. While most 1968-71 SS Novas had them, some came standard with a 10-bolt:
1968 327 with a 3-speed or Powerglide
1969 350 with TH350 or Powerglide
1970 350 Powerglide
Also, the 12-bolt was optional on non-SS Novas and was standard on non-SS 1969 Novas that were ordered with the L65 350 2-bbl engine with a 3-speed and 4-speed manual.
The first '68 SS you showed is missing something that my '68 Nova SS had. On the bottom of each of the front fenders, just in front of the doors, it had an "emblem" about 8 inches long that said "SUPER SPORT" on it. The '68 Nova came with a 3 spoke steering wheel. Not sure if that one is original. The one in my SS was a colored plastic.
Correct, the standard 1968 Nova steering wheel was a 3-spoke plastic one that had a center horn button.
SS Novas and and non-SS Novas with the deluxe interior had a different 3-spoke plastic wheel with horn buttons on ends of the two upper spokes. Non-SS had a Nova shield emblem in the middle while SS Novas had an SS emblem in the center.
The wheel in that 1968 in the video appears to be the optional 1969-70 rosewood wheel used on many Chevys. It is a very common modification on many 3-gen Novas.
8:20. That trunk tent was indeed a dealer option, called the “Hatchback Hutch”. Also available for Vegas.
It was called the Hatchback Hutch in 1974.
Totally awesome report! I love GM cars from the mid 60's to 1971. I'm in my 70's now and I'd prefer a car with an automatic trans and taller gears.
GM built that car. They called it a Stage 1 GS455 Buick Skylark.
Seriously, I've personally seen a 1970 SS454 LS6 Chevelle TH400 Car with factory 3.31 Gears.
I've also seen a 1969 Caprice L72 427/425 4-Speed Bench Seat Car. I don't think the L72 or the M21 were supposed to be an available option.
Nice tour of beautiful cars. I'm an old guy and lived all the muscle Chevy cars in real time. I grew up in south Kansas City and Dickie Harrells shop was a 2 mile bicycle ride away. I would see cars being offloaded and parked in the side lot awaiting modification. I also went to school with Dickie's daughter Valerie.
Wow! That was great! Very knowledgeable young man! I was never a fan of Nova ‘s body style change at 68 and on. 1967 is my favorite, but you made me really appreciate the 68 and on.
Brotha you are bad ass and thank you for the way you explain the difference and on years...im not quick on learning but i was able to keep up , down to the 26-28 count of springs on hoods WOW...!!! I lnow im older than you but your my big brother...!!!😎🤙🏽
Always great to hear a expert on any topic spew their knowledge it’s uplifting!
Super good 👍🏻 job highlighting these beauties … my favourite cars … had 2 and at 57 I’m building my third 👍🏻💪🏻
Good job sir for presenting the history of my fav GM car and giving it honor it’s due
SWEET TY FOR THE INFO LOVE THE NOVAS
Nice presentation young man! Many beautiful Nova's there, would love to see them up close
Great info. Always miss my 72. I like the wing glass vents on doors. Some dont and swap 73\74 doors on 68-72 Novas. I also prefer look of the side rear windows more on 68-72.
I was at the Chevrolet dealer in 1969 and saw a Kelly green SS 396 4 speed with black interior . I bought a 1973 Nova gold with a 3/4 vinyl top hatch back. Loved that car
Great informative video. 👍 Had a '71 as my 1st car back in high school! 😎
Nice video! Thanks phor sharing.
So Joel Rosen Aka motion performance didn’t exist???
He left out Berger Chevy as well
He did use the qualifier "basically" alluding to some others. I believe what he was referring to is these are the big three who seemed to have inside assistance in getting a COPO number assigned to produce the special runs of cars they wanted. It required Engineering sign off on it so it really went a lot smoother if you had someone who was willing to assist you inside GM.
Most of the others modified RPO cars and ordered some COPO cars when they became aware of a number that had already been issued as they had very limited success in trying to get a COPO number assigned themselves
@@gk5891 my brother bought a 69 COPO Camaro brand new off the lot at a mom and pop Chevy dealer in Ohio in Feb of 69’ 427, 400 trans 4:11 gears for $3200
And they had 2 of them, the other one was a 4spd with 4:56 gears
I’m surprised he mentioned Dick Harrell from Kansas City
@bobbycuesroadhouse2204 I'm assuming you are referring to the L72 (The ZL1 was also a COPO). That number was originally issued for Yenko and the number got released by one of the magazines is my understanding of how all the little dealers managed to get them. A number for L88 Camaros was also issued but I don't believe any cars were ever built.
Excellent presentation, every time...keep rolling...big thanks...
Very nice video, thank you. I had a 70 Nova SS, 375 horse 4-speed. It had bucket seats, and the console had gauges in it. Also it had a linear tachometer in the dash . It was forest green with a black vinyl roof a real heavy hitter . I got it from the original owner. Did some restoration work on it. Perhaps I should have never sold it. Haha great car
Love this channel great content and informative on such beautiful cars
Wow! Congratulations
Really nice video! Very interesting and you know your subject well 💪🏁
'70 model Novas can also be identified by larger signal markers in the front bumper (relative to 68/9). '70-'72 all had the same size markers, but in '70 they were clear; '71/2 were amber.
A Really Unbelievable Video You Covered The Most Important Parts Of Every Detail I Appreciated It Always Loved SS 💪🍀🍀🍀🍀🔨💯🥊
I had a 68 exactly like the first car in the video but, non-ss, it was ash gold, black v/top, black custom interior bucker seats (same as ss), L6 230ci and power glide!
Wish I could have attended the show this year. Thanks.
People in my family assembled some of those Novas and Camaros. I recall them saying that they ordered some for returning Vietnam Veteran family members. They took extra care in putting them together on the assembly line. I never heard of any C.O.P.O orders but it was well within their capacity to make custom assemblies without official records. We treated our troops well.
Excellent Job overall! As a point of clarification regarding the Fred Gibb COPO 9738 Novas: It was not the L78 396ci 375hp engine which made them a COPO car, as that was an RPO in 1968 (More than 600 produced). Rare, but available to anyone. The COPO order was for the Turbo 400 automatic transmission, which was mated to a solid lifter big block for the first time ever and all 50 Gibb COPOs were ordered with that transmission and a special torque converter. Very Kool T-Shirt. Keep up the good work!
I love your videos, keep them coming!
You will do well here. Great presentations and knowledge.
Awesome ride
Dam man., you know your S&!T. Thats awesome.. Bringing back too many memories. Had the pleasure of owning 2 when I was young ( 35 years ago). Dark green 68 with the 6 banger.. 70 Red with black Vinal top with 307 cross fire?. I think I might still have the gills and rear passenger cigarette ash trays. would love to find a project to build!!
Great vid!!!! 👍👍
Did used to own a '74 "Spirits Of America " Nova back in the early 90's . Wish I still had it now.
In 1968 the door lock knob was near the rear of the door. 1969 and up they were moved forward so they were easily reached from the front seat.
Another great video keep em coming
Very Very informative, thank you very muuuch.
Thanks!…great job!…
Very well presented. Thank you.
🏆Great job 🏆I had a 71 🍀got R done😎✌️
Very knowledgeable, thanks for sharing.
Great information. I have '65 Corvette fuely that was delivered to Nickie; however, it appears to have not been modified.
Great video but there are a ton more differences in the 68-72 Novas if you know where to look. In 68 the most obvious thing that you didn't mention was that the Nova Emblem was on the rear quarter panel and not on the front fender like the 69-72. By far the easiest way to tell the 68 apart from a distance. Like the emblem on the hood that says "Chevy II" the emblem on the truck says "Chevy II by Chevrolet" whereas the 69-72 says "Nova by Chevrolet". 68-69 had the radio antenna on the fender, 70-72 has it in the windshield. 68-70 dome light is tear drop shape and the 71-72 is round. You touched on the taillight differences but didn't mention the front turn signal differences in the front bumper. 68-69 were smaller than the 70-72 and were wider than they were tall and both years were amber colored. In 70 they became taller to a more square size and were clear with an amber bulb. 71-72 were the same size as in 70 but they were both amber lenses. You did talk about the "gills" on the side of the 69-70 but not all 69-70 cars got them, so they are not a good way to tell the years apart unless they do have them then they help but many people like them and put them on non-69-70 cars. You also touched on the motor size emblem on these cars, if this video is strictly about the SS then they will all have the motor size but there are 2 things you didn't mention. Not all 69-72 cars got the motor size except the SS and Chevy used the exact same motor size emblems on Novas up to the 74 Model year so if someone is using the motor size emblem to tell what year it is it is not an indicator at all unless the car is a 68-69.
Having owned dozens of Novas over the years IMO 68's are by far the easiest to tell the year from a distance. 69 in the second easiest even from a distance. 70 is somewhat easy as long as the restorer is using actual 70 stuff, which many don't and 71-72 is the hardest to tell, sometimes without looking at the VIN or Cowl tag because the restorer doesn't know the small and Suttle changes between the years that Chevy did like the head light trim that has the "fins" on the side of them are different depending on the year. 68 is one year only, 69 is one year only and 70-72 are the same but all the years will bolt on all 68-72. Other differences are dumb little changes like throttle linkage changes between 68-72 and even between 4 cyl, 6 cyl and the V8's in the same model year.
Perfectly said!
I don't know what it is about the '68-72 Nova, but I've had like 7 different ones, and most people I've known have had more that 3 or 4 of them! The last one I had, a '68 SS, was stolen along with a 1958 Chevy Apache short bed step side pickup.And you're spot on with your details!
The headlight bezels are different for different years.
1968 were all chrome (with the exception of a few special Novas) and no clearance slots for the headlight adjustment screws. The outside grille portion had horizontal lines only.
1969 were black and had clearance slots for the adjustment screws. Again, only horizontal lines on the outside grill portion
1970-72 are similar to 1969 but with the addition of a verticals line in the center of the outside grill portion.
U are right on man I have a 68 nova ss a 11427 car factory 4 speed 735 black bucket seats .it is a factory small block car witch u can tell by the heater box .mine comes out the fire wall .iam not sure what engine mine came with. 68 has the best dash 69 has the hearer controls sideways, 68 is long ways ,my car still has the factory daul exhaust bracket on it also wish I had the original engine
very interesting!
I had a 66 chevy II L-79 3 spd on the collum with the 130 mph speedo . No SS markings just Chevy II Nova. It had a bench seat, too. Oh, radio delete also.
Thanks for sharing this information
Just recently got back my 1969 Nova SS 350 4 speed, that was my first car at 16.
Wow, great that you got it back !
The red restomod nova appears to be a 1966, not a 1967. Also, what made the 50 1968 Fred Gibb COPO L78 396 Novas special was the fact they had a TH400 HD trans with factory high stall converter. That was the COPO part. Before that, you could only get the L78 396 in the Nova SS with a 4 sp manual trans. The HD TH400 trans and stall converter installed were basically the ones developed and offered as an RPO on the 1968 L88 Corvette. Fred wanted 50 of these to qualify them for NHRA stock and super stock automatic racing classes. They were very competitive in '68.
In Argentina, all Novas were 6 cylinders (230, 250), and early SS were made about the same as 1968-69 USA models, they had 1968 dash emblems, ash tray, tail lamps, key on dash, orange front side markers 1969 style, front brake discs, hood bowtie, rear SS panel, hood "scoops" and no guills. All had bucket seats. They used 68/72 Oldsmobile 442 rally wheels on all SS models from 1972/1974.
Good information
Great info!!
you are a good speaker very easy to listen to nice vid !
Exellent!
Very well done video. I enjoyed it
Awesome video thanks buddy….
I like how you explain all off the cars you should make from 1990 chevy c10 454ss gmt400
I’m a Mopar fan at my core and would buy a Roadrunner if I had money to spend on a classic. I hate old Camaros and Chevelles but there’s something about the Nova I dig.
I really enjoyed this Nova Rarest video. I'm pretty sure that I may own a very rare UNRESTORED 1969 Nova SS that I purchased in August 1, 1969. It is my first car, I was 18 yrs old. I've been told that it is a one of kind Rally green with a factory white vinyl top. The paint is original, never repainted. It was a L78 with a turbo400 M40 option & has currently a 12 bolt 3.31 ratio differential. Since I blew up 3 of the L78 engines which did have a few factory defects and was replaced under warranty during the first 5 years. I think around 15 years ago I installed a 502 crate engine which is 600hp and runs much better than the 396. My car has an amazing history over the last 54 years. I have all the documentation since new, Many pictures over the years and countless car shows.
Good show!
Great info
That Copo Nova 😎💪
A running non-rusted out nova is a rare one
It would be awesome to hang with him! 💙 Novas!
The 1968 Nova said "Chevy ll" on the hood and on the trunk lid. Also front Disc Brakes were available, but not required on any model, The calipers had 4 pistons and were non-floating like the Corvette and Chevelle. Starting in 1969 disc brakes came standard on the SS regardless of the engine size The calipers were a single piston floating design. The most bang for your buck that few knew about was the 327/325 L79 that was available with out being required to order the SS option. 1968 was the last year for that engine.
Good lord this young man is a walking muscle car library. Great video.
Thanks
when i was growing up in the seventies i saw these cars driving around all of the time
excellant presentation....thanks for sharing...new scriber here,greetings from NC...
Good job you appear very knowledgeable
The rarest nova I've seen in person was A 69 L89 auto on the column but the son changed the block to a 454 and put A floor shifter and tubed it to race it, and the last time I saw the car was in the late 80s totalled at the track doing over 100 mph the cage saved him. I heard it was parted out, but I don't know for sure
71. Nova 396,you said before the last year for 396 was 70.plus in 67 and disc brake were available, but as an option.
In these '68 to '72 Novas, there is usually a copy of the build sheet under the rear seat tucked into the springs.
Great video , lots of sweet old bow ties 😊
loved watching this!!!! you sure know your facts and present them well. makes owning my old ratty Camaro and Nova a little better ( they aint nice like these cars ha ha ), but they is mine. peace
Old Ford guy gives you the Big 👍 for this video!
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Wish they had the Baldwin Motion cars there.. Those to me were very rare cars.
I have a 70 SS 396 4 speed less than 40,000 miles on it! It’s very nice!
My buddy had a 73’ spirit of america pilot car. It was a 72 body style and about 200 numbers past the last known vin # for 72. Hr bought it from original owner in indiana. Who had all factory paperwork and pics of the car at dealership the day they bought it and thru the years. Spirit of america badge on the grill was hand sand cast. Same white w/red and blue stripes as 74 cars.
Great video. And I learned that you can attend a car show with no shirt! 😂
I had a 1969 SS 396 Nova and the trim gills came painted the same color as the car which was Corvette Lemans Blue.
I had a magazine stating gm made 12 68 nova 427's and 8 69 nova 427's . actuallu almost bought a 69 nova ss 427 in 85. Looked absolutely factory, with all the correct badging on the exterior and interior. Along with the underhood stickers. Was sure it was authentic at the time, wasn't much odd cloning going on back then.
Great Vid. you sure know your Nova's.
72 also had the antenna in the windshield
Nice presentation... An amazing group of cars on display in the "Solid Lifter Showroom" and the Nova pavilion was awesome as well! Are you planning on posting other footage from the GM Nationals?
Unfortunately due to the rain… we didn’t get to walk around and cover everything.. plus I’m honestly not always sure what you guys would like to see..
@@backyardbarnfinds keep doing what ur doing. As an old 60s-early 70s muscle car guy, the yrs 65-71 were the apex yrs.....any manufacturer. Heck, I know mid-50s to mid-60s had theirs too; my mother had 4 car salesmen brothers, and had 2 Bel-Air Chevys (55&56) with 265 4 barrel twin lines (older bros use to race them n 50s and wrecked them, so she got a 59 Impla 6 cyl).
Of the many road races I saw back then, n 69, saw a 69 396/375 plain jane 4-spd nova, (don't recall it being SS cause it had bench seat & looked like a 6cyl cheapo, lime green with same rims w/caps) race a 69 Boss 429 orange mustang 4 spd: they raced from hole, slight roll on, and about 30 on. As a Chevy guy, I was disappointed at the time the Boss won all equally by 1 1/2 car lengths ...each race going well into high gear before backing off. Many years later, I felt better learning the Boss was more comparable to the LS6 Chevelle rather than "Grandma's" Nova.
So keep covering the apex muscle years. BTW, In those days, an automatic trans was shunned upon as was PS & AC.....robbed HP which meant SPEED.
Anything F-body related (67-02) gets my attention.
Hey, that was a nice walk down memory lane. In the 70s I owned a 69 Nova SS/L78 396, and a good friend owned a 68 Nova RS/327, Always loved Novas.
No such thing as a RS Novas. The Rally Sport was a Camaro option, not Nova.
I remember before I moved to Florida my uncle bought a Camaro. It was a 68 or a 69 hugger orange black vinyl top RS. He couldn't do the payments so my grandparents took over the car which was a big joke in Garner N.C. The car was sold in Raleigh brand new their last name was Hales sure would love to find said car.
8:30 there were no 1971 big block car SSs. Only L48 350s in 71 and 72. In March of 1972 I factory ordered a 72 SS Nova. I was a Jr in high school. It was Forest Green. I ordered it with bucket seats and the center console. The brochure I saw when I ordered it had bucket seats similar to what Chevelle's had in them. When the car came in it had what I would describe as Volkswagen seats. Very plain without a separate headrest. It was a cheap looking high back seat. It also had a door to door, front to back rubber floor mat instead of carpet. When I asked the salesman what the deal was he said I got those because I didn't order the custom interior.Well he didn't tell me when ordering it. I was also expecting a full console and had never seen one that was so small and stopped where the front seats started. It worked out ok because I put a Craig floor mount stereo between the seats at the end of the console. It was an auto trans car with the chrome trim around the windows and the body side molding. Had a 10 bolt rear with 3.08 gears. Came with those body color steel wheels and the dog dish hub caps. Sticker price was $3955.55. I eventually put headers, a 327/350hp cam, a Holley spread bore carb, and 3.73 gears. It would consistently run a 16.00 sec/85 mph 1/4 mile at the track. I kept that car for 5 years. One thing I did that I never saw anyone else do was I put the hood ornaments from a 69 Camaro SS on my Nova. If you took the Nova hood ornaments off and popped the chrome outer ring off you could stack the Camaro ornaments on the chrome rings and it raised them up enough to work on a Nova. And they look so much better.
spirit of america nova has camper because americans have to live out of their cars. that car was ahead of it's time
Good job young man you just schooled a 58 year old " bow tie guy" own several Montes, Camaros, and El Caminos. I just never kNOVAed!