When I saw the DKs Jello yelllled at us in anger and told us we weren't even listening to the lyrics. The thing is, the band was so loud that the words were completely lost in a barrage of sound. It was impossible to even make out syllables, much less entire songs. 😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣
The sad thing is, that the youth of today looks up to the government, to solve all of the problems. They call for socialism /communism, which blows up the state & intervenes in every aspect of your life. This is anything BUT Punkrock!
@@whitexchina punk rock primarily promotes Anarchy, not socialism/ communism or on the other extreme fascism. Anarchy doesn't mean a lawless dystopia. It's generally recognized as a system where people govern themselves without a powerful government, influenced by large corporations and powerful interest groups, impeding on the fundamental rights of individuals.
fasdjlfhlj Dude, if they were free, you're just demonstrating the glutinous and excessively nature of modern consumerism, man.... and how you don't fall victim to societal norms by "buying" things. You're not playing by society's rules, man. ...I wouldn't even call your space a living room.... I'd call it, like, an art piece demonstrating the excessiveness of man to own things, but in reality, when you think about it....... things own you, man.... Things. Own. You... 😀
@@Rick__C-137 You make a lot of sense, even sarcastically. Except the glutinous part. Bread is to blame? Actually, now that I think about it, that's probably also true... Btw, when do we get to start eating the rich? Asking for a friend-
@@kishascape there was an actual lucky 7 house in olympia, wa. it's now gone. i think the red house and cobain's house next to lucky 7 food store is still around, but those aren't the subject of this video.
Phoenix Dawn there actually was Lucky Seven punk house in Olympia. (next to the Lucky Seven corner store) saw Karp, Irving Klaw Trio, Kicking Giant and others there.....Unwound, etc
Not gonna lie, I briefly passed through Portland as part of a hardcore band in 2014...We stayed at a house in the suburbs EXACTLY like this...Now that I think about it, there's a chance we actually stayed at this particular house. Sofas and car seats on the front porch...a barrel full of cigarette butts...a backyard that was basically a mud pit with an abandoned car in the center...one bathroom for who knows how many people...I slept for two nights on a scavenged sofa (luckily INSIDE the building). Unfortunately I was absolutely blitzed out of my mind at the time so maybe it was just an elaborate hallucination. That's about the best description of Portland I can come up with.
Oh that’s just great. Sooooo glad you enjoyed his performance. That’s what he’s here for, to be your own personal DANCING MONKEY. Feel superior now? Great, grand , super.
I had to work on a project with a bunch of aging "original" punk rockers and they are excruciating and exhausting to be around. This is so dead on perfect!
They aren’t that way on purpose they have mental health problems. Then again it’s baffling they haven’t gotten any help but it’s possible that they have other stuff like fetal alcohol syndrome or lead exposure. My dad had FAS and several issues with it and he could wear anyone out.
@@yaelfeder9042lol, this is just the perfect wrap-up to the punk phenomena. Some punk's kid on youtube 40 years later saying: "The whole movement basically just had untreated Fetal Alcohol Syndrome." Hahaha
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat my dad was a hippy, wish he was a punk so that way he’d be dead by now the piece of shit and that’s not the point of my comment. I didn’t say the whole movement was FAS. I just said there were definitely people there who had it and I still wish my dad was there.
andy: It's not just Jello, though. Somebody who interviewed Johny Rotten said, "That is the third time you have done that sitting dead still and staring thing." He said "Oh, yes, I picked that up from (forget the name, but it was a character in a Shakespeare play.) He just copped that he was doing a shtick that he had picked up from some play.
I don't believe you'd be able to smell the stench of beans & sarcasm if Carrie wasn't wearing that absolutely pristine vintage 1950's women's dress suit. The contrast is what makes you notice the cigarette ash on the sofa & the fact that no one washed that rice bucket since it arrived in 1984. Carrie's wrinkle-free perfection is ultimately what actually makes your eyes water when she approaches the bean bucket.
Wait...he said "famous people" stayed on that couch. Wait...er...or are you talking about the couch ON THE PORCH? Ahhh....makes sense now. Sorry . My bad!
Some John Lydon/rotten, too. Lydon admitted on a talk show that he would freeze and stare into the camera regularly because he saw the villain in a Shakespeare play do it, and liked it.
Johnny Rotten is embarrassing. Seems like most of the punks matured in different ways except him, he seems to mentally have not matured past 16 and it’s kind of sad
Soooo funny! Down to the house having a name! I’ve been to so many punk houses that had their own names to them, the redrum house is one name that comes to mind. Fred is so funny and cool, I used to work at the Roxy in downtown Portland and Fred was a regular of mine for a while. He was super nice, usually came in on slow shifts. One time everyone had left and it was just him as the only customer there. I didn’t want to bother him, instead he initiated the conversation. We talked about punk music and bullshit. He came in for a while till my crazy boss scared him away. She was a crazy lady and bombarded him one afternoon on my shift. I felt so bad for him, I could see that he was uncomfortable from her trying to latch on to him. He never came back after that day. I don’t work there anymore cause of her crazy ass. One time I was at work staring out the window and I saw this girl run 2 blocks to catch up to Fred and fawn over him. She came up from behind and scared the crap out of him. I bet he had to deal with that crap constantly when he was filming here. Great guy, he would tip over %100 on his check!
The name is actually a reference to the Lucky 7 House in Olympia, Washington about two hours north of Portland. It was a famous punk house named after a convenience store near by were you would walk to grab beers and food. A lot of famous people from the local punk scene had lived there over the years and lots of house shows took place there. A group I was in played there back in 2006. I believe it got condemned a few years later.
There was an abandoned house in North County in So-Cal called Chaos House that was a punk hang out and flop house. Good times. The scene there scared me a little bit, not gonna lie.
Fred did an incredible job with the Lars character. I’ve watched this many times and I’ve noticed the persona starts falling apart after the lady asks the bathroom question. It’s like the actor was on his game and the lady threw him off. After that the mannerisms get more and more obnoxious. Then it’s revealed he was just hired to pretend he was a punk living in the lucky seven house. He was just an actor trying to do his best. It’s brilliant and I can’t think many other people that could’ve done it this well.
@@yaelfeder9042 stale beer, weed, incense, leftovers, depending on the people living there, BO, and if the house held shows, cigarettes, fresh beer, and an odor that can only be described as "man stank".
@@RampinUp46 I’m not religious but it reminds me of a biblical quote that I saw as a kid “For all their tables are covered in vomit. There is not a place without filth.” It’s fascinating how you’d think people would be so uptight thousands of years ago when they were still like all of us now. Humans are humans.
@tyvek05 lucky seven is the name of the convenience store next to the house, also Carrie Browenstein is from Oly, most notable band who stayed in the lucky seven house was probably bikini kill, it is now part of a veterinary clinic
Portlandia captures the punk essence and all the details just perfectly, and I've never seen a show do that before. Like the other TV shows I've seen that even try to attempt it use broad strokes and just don't feel so realistic.
So accurate I lived in a house that had old theater seats just like that on the front porch. And an old bench seat from a pick-up truck in the living room.
I once was in a punk house in North Portland. It wasn't as clean as the punk house in this sketch but of course it had the 2 refrigerators filled with leftovers. Within a few minutes of being there somebody asked me "hey, you want to smoke some crack with us?" I thought he was joking around but he was serious.
I lived in a big old punkhouse in Sheperdstown. 13 or14 of us in a 5 bedroom farmhouse way back in the sticks. $300 a month rent. It only cost around 3 dollars a day for a place to live and food to eat. I miss the bonfire parties. The Violent Femes came and did a show! Great times.
The car seat on the porch and stacked pizza boxes. 😂I lived in a punk house in carbondale,il where the bathroom was in between two bedrooms- there was also a door to the attic in our room and two lived up there- so everyone was walking through our room all the time. Oddly didnt bother me. I loved that house and my roommates. Or the house in boston they put floor to ceiling plywood in the center of the living room to create another “bedroom” - there was no heating source- My room was 30 degrees in the winter. I had undiagnosed/untreated CPTSD- survival mode makes you care a lot less where or how you live. 🤷🏻♀️
I have a feeling like this sketch kinda makes fun of the studies that have found that artsy punk houses are the catalysts of gentrification in Portland neighborhoods. Also, nice pink Voodoo box for that additional Portland flair 😂😂
cleaner than a lot of punk houses. otherwise pretty accurate.
No visible porn mags though.
Punk in Portland is playing dress up..
Yeah, I saw that kitchen and my suspension of disbelief was shot.
@@materialhell and girls with hairy stinky clams.
@@nura4068 Yes, Portland today. In the 80s and 90s Portland was full of outsider artists and anarchists.
Probably the most brilliant Portlandia sketch yet.
His Jello Biafra is dead on.
I believe its Sir Jello now. The Queen took notice and he was flattered.
I was low key hoping for an Ian Rubbish type
What's wrong??? Congress got your tongue
When I saw the DKs Jello yelllled at us in anger and told us we weren't even listening to the lyrics. The thing is, the band was so loud that the words were completely lost in a barrage of sound. It was impossible to even make out syllables, much less entire songs. 😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣
I wanted to like this comment, but it should stay at 666.
The way he says "yeah" at the end is freaking hysterical.
@mrredundant8017 🤣
@mrredundant8017 🤣
Nyeah
"Look what the GOVERNMENT dragged in!" XD
upland77 sounded so much like Jello when he said that
The sad thing is, that the youth of today looks up to the government, to solve all of the problems.
They call for socialism /communism, which blows up the state & intervenes in every aspect of your life.
This is anything BUT Punkrock!
Cat phrase variations, referencing his role in Cats the play.
whitexchina ok boomer
@@whitexchina punk rock primarily promotes Anarchy, not socialism/ communism or on the other extreme fascism. Anarchy doesn't mean a lawless dystopia. It's generally recognized as a system where people govern themselves without a powerful government, influenced by large corporations and powerful interest groups, impeding on the fundamental rights of individuals.
"For punks, couches are considered a status symbol"
I have 3 couches in my very small living room...
sellout!!!
fasdjlfhlj Dude, if they were free, you're just demonstrating the glutinous and excessively nature of modern consumerism, man.... and how you don't fall victim to societal norms by "buying" things. You're not playing by society's rules, man.
...I wouldn't even call your space a living room.... I'd call it, like, an art piece demonstrating the excessiveness of man to own things, but in reality, when you think about it....... things own you, man.... Things. Own. You... 😀
JEIL LOL
@@Rick__C-137 You make a lot of sense, even sarcastically. Except the glutinous part. Bread is to blame? Actually, now that I think about it, that's probably also true...
Btw, when do we get to start eating the rich? Asking for a friend-
fasdjlfhlj THREE??!
That’s because punks were not interested in... making it your way
*salute*
So perfect
I love how he's just being Jello Biafra.
"Look what the government dragged in. Congress got your tongue?"
Eli Galloway I was about to say the same thing.
Look what the government dragged in .
What's wrong congress got your tongue?
Shit made me spit my bear across the house 🤣
Exactly
I got a strong jello at well well well look what the government dragged in as well. Haha
@@OnyxXThePunch How small is your house?
The car seats and airplane seats on the porch was the greatest thing ever. I lived in that house. It was awful.
.. and no actual couches
Couches are for conformists.
@@nebulousisgod how did you live in that house it was a just a set for this show.
@@kishascape there was an actual lucky 7 house in olympia, wa. it's now gone. i think the red house and cobain's house next to lucky 7 food store is still around, but those aren't the subject of this video.
That's awesome! Reminds me of my ol' wannabe punker days 😜
I love how Carrie is a punk rock artist and is able to make fun of it at the same time! :D
Phoenix Dawn there actually was Lucky Seven punk house in Olympia. (next to the Lucky Seven corner store) saw Karp, Irving Klaw Trio, Kicking Giant and others there.....Unwound, etc
@@ggallin7914 interesting to know, thank you
a main trait of the thing media called punk was 'irony'
GG Allin i drive past it every day on my way to class loll
Stupid comment
"There was an exchange of in-for-MATION". Lol!!
I love the context-free completely-unnecessary aggro-sarcasm in the punk character
The “sarcasm is how I subtly let people know how smart I am” is spot on
Did you figure that out all by yourself?
Aggressive sarcasm? Aggravated sarcasm? Agricultural sarcasm?
A-growth sarcasm (non-growing)
😁
Yo, I lived in a punk house in Portland, and I can confirm this is like 98% accurate. From the porch couch to the buckets of rice and beans LMAO
Not gonna lie, I briefly passed through Portland as part of a hardcore band in 2014...We stayed at a house in the suburbs EXACTLY like this...Now that I think about it, there's a chance we actually stayed at this particular house. Sofas and car seats on the front porch...a barrel full of cigarette butts...a backyard that was basically a mud pit with an abandoned car in the center...one bathroom for who knows how many people...I slept for two nights on a scavenged sofa (luckily INSIDE the building).
Unfortunately I was absolutely blitzed out of my mind at the time so maybe it was just an elaborate hallucination. That's about the best description of Portland I can come up with.
Blitzed out on what?
@@edp3202 NFL Blitz. Great game.
@@cameronmoore7675 oh! 😂 🏈
Gross
Sounds like an insane asylum ugh
he captures punks so precisely, almost by under-acting a little or something. I cant even quite pin point what makes it work so well.
Oh that’s just great. Sooooo glad you enjoyed his performance. That’s what he’s here for, to be your own personal DANCING MONKEY. Feel superior now? Great, grand , super.
Ive never meet a punk like this. Then again, i love in the hood.
@@wesmantooth5908 perfect comment 😂😂😂
Yes its tripping me out, its so perfect.
He was being still
I had to work on a project with a bunch of aging "original" punk rockers and they are excruciating and exhausting to be around. This is so dead on perfect!
They aren’t that way on purpose they have mental health problems. Then again it’s baffling they haven’t gotten any help but it’s possible that they have other stuff like fetal alcohol syndrome or lead exposure. My dad had FAS and several issues with it and he could wear anyone out.
@kyfaydfsoab Not really. Trust me.
@@yaelfeder9042lol, this is just the perfect wrap-up to the punk phenomena. Some punk's kid on youtube 40 years later saying: "The whole movement basically just had untreated Fetal Alcohol Syndrome." Hahaha
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat my dad was a hippy, wish he was a punk so that way he’d be dead by now the piece of shit and that’s not the point of my comment. I didn’t say the whole movement was FAS. I just said there were definitely people there who had it and I still wish my dad was there.
Prob selection bias.
The exchange between Lars and the old lady is priceless!
There was learning, there was READING. Do you remember what READING was? Do you remember when-
Of course.
Pardon me?
Of course.
Joe John I don’t know why but that part was hilarious
So funny lmao
I lost it at "pardon me?"
This bit was too lifelike lmfao
“Some of us might go to Olive Garden later if you wanna join us.” 😂😂
😂
Yeah. 🤣
Best Jello Biafra impression ever
Isn't that Winston Smith taking the house tour?
andy: It's not just Jello, though. Somebody who interviewed Johny Rotten said, "That is the third time you have done that sitting dead still and staring thing." He said "Oh, yes, I picked that up from (forget the name, but it was a character in a Shakespeare play.) He just copped that he was doing a shtick that he had picked up from some play.
@@milascave2 I thought he was copying patti smith
@@milascave2 punk is shtick
This captures portland perfectly. The people there used to be punk, now they're more like the characters in this.
I don't believe you'd be able to smell the stench of beans & sarcasm if Carrie wasn't wearing that absolutely pristine vintage 1950's women's dress suit. The contrast is what makes you notice the cigarette ash on the sofa & the fact that no one washed that rice bucket since it arrived in 1984. Carrie's wrinkle-free perfection is ultimately what actually makes your eyes water when she approaches the bean bucket.
I just realized this is my friend's house being used by the show and I'm laughing so hard; I slept on that couch
Was Vic Venom there? Are you Vic Venom?
@@John_McDonnell Did you fart like this, with the legs up?
Wait...he said "famous people" stayed on that couch. Wait...er...or are you talking about the couch ON THE PORCH? Ahhh....makes sense now. Sorry . My bad!
Where in southeast is the located??
Fred Armisen is the funniest person in the world.
Yes. Tis true
he reminds me of jello biafra and henry rollins. such a great character
Some John Lydon/rotten, too. Lydon admitted on a talk show that he would freeze and stare into the camera regularly because he saw the villain in a Shakespeare play do it, and liked it.
Johnny Rotten is embarrassing. Seems like most of the punks matured in different ways except him, he seems to mentally have not matured past 16 and it’s kind of sad
headphonic8 watching his most recent interviews I can say that's really not true
headphonic8 or maybe it’s just a character
Soooo funny! Down to the house having a name! I’ve been to so many punk houses that had their own names to them, the redrum house is one name that comes to mind. Fred is so funny and cool, I used to work at the Roxy in downtown Portland and Fred was a regular of mine for a while. He was super nice, usually came in on slow shifts. One time everyone had left and it was just him as the only customer there. I didn’t want to bother him, instead he initiated the conversation. We talked about punk music and bullshit. He came in for a while till my crazy boss scared him away. She was a crazy lady and bombarded him one afternoon on my shift. I felt so bad for him, I could see that he was uncomfortable from her trying to latch on to him. He never came back after that day. I don’t work there anymore cause of her crazy ass. One time I was at work staring out the window and I saw this girl run 2 blocks to catch up to Fred and fawn over him. She came up from behind and scared the crap out of him. I bet he had to deal with that crap constantly when he was filming here. Great guy, he would tip over %100 on his check!
(Suzanne…..?)
There were a few houses with names I used to go to but the only one that comes to mind is Castle Anthrax.
@IntrepidTit We got old lol.
The name is actually a reference to the Lucky 7 House in Olympia, Washington about two hours north of Portland. It was a famous punk house named after a convenience store near by were you would walk to grab beers and food. A lot of famous people from the local punk scene had lived there over the years and lots of house shows took place there. A group I was in played there back in 2006. I believe it got condemned a few years later.
There was an abandoned house in North County in So-Cal called Chaos House that was a punk hang out and flop house. Good times. The scene there scared me a little bit, not gonna lie.
Good gawd, this is painfully accurate. I can smell the jeans that haven't been washed in a month.
Going a month without washing your jeans is fine.
@@MichaelHplus Not when your balls are on the same timeline 🤣
Crust punks that don’t know what a shower is
Oh that earthy smell
fuck washing
Fred did an incredible job with the Lars character. I’ve watched this many times and I’ve noticed the persona starts falling apart after the lady asks the bathroom question. It’s like the actor was on his game and the lady threw him off. After that the mannerisms get more and more obnoxious. Then it’s revealed he was just hired to pretend he was a punk living in the lucky seven house. He was just an actor trying to do his best. It’s brilliant and I can’t think many other people that could’ve done it this well.
Well said! I caught that too during a rewatch 😄
I keep coming back to this one as well lol
Fred is something of a punker himself =]
Yes! I lived in a punk house. This is remarkably so true to real life
Did you see the episode with the "shitty punk BBQ"? It might be even more relatable than this.
What did it smell like?
@@yaelfeder9042 stale beer, weed, incense, leftovers, depending on the people living there, BO, and if the house held shows, cigarettes, fresh beer, and an odor that can only be described as "man stank".
@@RampinUp46 I’m not religious but it reminds me of a biblical quote that I saw as a kid “For all their tables are covered in vomit. There is not a place without filth.” It’s fascinating how you’d think people would be so uptight thousands of years ago when they were still like all of us now. Humans are humans.
The Lucky Seven house was in Olympia, WA...
I was looking for someone who'd said this already. Hi Sophe its paxton!
@tyvek05 Let me tell you, Lucky Seven Taxi services based out of Revere, Massachusetts was pretty wild
@tyvek05 lucky seven is the name of the convenience store next to the house, also Carrie Browenstein is from Oly, most notable band who stayed in the lucky seven house was probably bikini kill, it is now part of a veterinary clinic
"What's a matter, Congress got yer tongue?"
Holy shit, nailed it.
An old car seat as a couch! So interesting!
I had 2 carseat benches as couches when I was 25.
Carrie's beauty transcends eras. I can see her walking right into an episode of Mad Men with that look.
"DO YOU KNOW REMEMBER WHAT READING WAS?"
"OF COURSE."
"PARDON ME?"
"OF COURSE."
😆😆
Portlandia captures the punk essence and all the details just perfectly, and I've never seen a show do that before. Like the other TV shows I've seen that even try to attempt it use broad strokes and just don't feel so realistic.
Everything about this is perfect but especially Fred's performance
LA Fresh Life u r yumny
“For Punks couches are a status symbol”
The last few lines outside the house are scarily accurate lmao
This might be my favorite sketch of all time
"Some of us are going to olive garden later if you'd like to join us?"........."YEAH".
LOL
Yep. '94 Seattle my ex lived in a punkhouse just like that. So true about the couches. I surfed there a while with her.
Fred's "yeah" to the Olive Garden proposal is my favorite part about this clip. Always makes me laugh.
Olive Garden? Is that what she said? Thank you. I couldn't understand her.
So accurate I lived in a house that had old theater seats just like that on the front porch. And an old bench seat from a pick-up truck in the living room.
I once was in a punk house in North Portland. It wasn't as clean as the punk house in this sketch but of course it had the 2 refrigerators filled with leftovers. Within a few minutes of being there somebody asked me "hey, you want to smoke some crack with us?" I thought he was joking around but he was serious.
Fred is a comedic genius. Love him.
Watching these videos makes me regret never having watched the series. Hilarious stuff:)
I have been to so many houses like this. I love the couches as a symbol of status thing.
One of my favorite parts of this show is the bemused non-actors they bring in for the minor roles.
Armisen absolutely nailed it!
"Vic Venom was here, he farted like this" I want to try that!
I tried that once and shat myself
One of Fred's best characters next to the bike guy that tried to revive MTV. I wish they did more this
Daniel san b
I FUCKING LOVE PORTLANDIA
This is so on point its rediculous.
One of their best out f soooo many!
The car seat on the porch is the most accurate thing about this whole sketch
I lived in a big old punkhouse in Sheperdstown. 13 or14 of us in a 5 bedroom farmhouse way back in the sticks. $300 a month rent. It only cost around 3 dollars a day for a place to live and food to eat. I miss the bonfire parties. The Violent Femes came and did a show! Great times.
My favorite thing about this entire skit is Fred’s “yeah” at the end
portlandia and kyle mooney NEED to collaborate
this is spot on perfect
The fact that his punkness is all an act is super meta
guy reminds me of Henry Rollins
"Making it your way"
I used to live next door to this house, in a real punk house. Ha ha pretty funny crap
Carrie can fit herself into any character and it shows.
"Making it your way" gets me every time
He does such a good Jello Biafra.
So brilliantly accurate! 🔥🔥🔥
This show marked an end of an era in P-town
there's always room for jello!
His smug expression at 1:27 always cracks me up.
Portland is currently just one big “punk house “
Full of poseurs
Channeling Biafra I see...
This was basically me when I was 14 years old.
Same. But imagine growing beyond that age and still playing that role lmao
Great job!
Reminds me of those old Green Day interviews where they would awkwardly trash the set.
Awww i FUCKING LOVE the descendants!!!!!! This is the best
I miss this show.
Personal favourite
"Do you remeber what READING was?"
The over-filled ashtray, vhs tapes and cassettes everywhere, this.... looks just like my house.....
Cleanest one I have ever seen.
I love this show. Fred Armisen is hilarious.
i like how the old lady with the question gives him a little sass back.. "do you remember what READING wasss?" "of course"
The car seat on the porch and stacked pizza boxes. 😂I lived in a punk house in carbondale,il where the bathroom was in between two bedrooms- there was also a door to the attic in our room and two lived up there- so everyone was walking through our room all the time. Oddly didnt bother me. I loved that house and my roommates. Or the house in boston they put floor to ceiling plywood in the center of the living room to create another “bedroom” - there was no heating source- My room was 30 degrees in the winter. I had undiagnosed/untreated CPTSD- survival mode makes you care a lot less where or how you live. 🤷🏻♀️
The way Vick Venom farts slays me everytime
Great acting
Only legends know Trench Mouth
fred played that too well holy HECK
I love that ending.
Best sketch ever 😂
I have a feeling like this sketch kinda makes fun of the studies that have found that artsy punk houses are the catalysts of gentrification in Portland neighborhoods.
Also, nice pink Voodoo box for that additional Portland flair 😂😂
"See you in Disneyland"
This is exactly what is going to happen to the “American Football House” in Urbana IL 😂
'The Descendents stayed right here'
Classic
“Great.”
Brilliant ! Nyeah!
1:55 the smug, arrogant "pardon me" is perfect
the best show ever...oh so fucking awesome
As someone who would go to shows at the Chesterfield house in Pittsburgh I can say this is way to clean
His Jello Biafra impression is spot on!
holy crap! Thought this was going to be the first not so funny Portlandia clip I'd ever seen, but then 2:20.