Do You Really Need VINTAGE Mics? - Are Modern MICS Really THAT Great?
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Arizona by Maxwell & The Shakes
04:00 - Mic Model Syndrome?
05:50 - Drum Mic Placement
14:28 - Acoustic Guitar Mic Placement
15:37 - Horns/Brass Mic Placement
18:23 - Vocal Mic Mic Placement
19:05 - Electric Guitar Mic Placement
20:20 - Backing Vocal Mic
21:28 - Mixing Arizona by Maxwell & The Shakes - Hudba
What are some of your favourite microphones? Share below!
They are all my friends 😊 . Who said this a few weeks before ?
Royer r101 pair has been great
Thanks ever so much for sharing@@chinmeysway
in use: beyerdynamic M160, roswell mini K47 & K67x - - dream mics: Sheffield Labs CK12, RCA 44, AKG/Tele m251
R121, U87ai
I sing the praises of the Warm Audio 87. I can throw it on just about anything and with a tad bit of EQ, it sounds great. You can score a used pair for less than $800 most days of the week.
So many of those old mics are now at least 60 years old or more. Capsules, wiring, and caps are starting to dry out and deteriorate, if they haven't already done so. There are some great services out there to restore, but who wants to spend $10,000 on a vintage piece and then turn right around and spend another $3,000 (and 6+ months) getting it refurbished? When so many of the great engineers out there are happily making great tracks (and money!) using new stuff, there's really no reason for us poor weekend sods to be out there throwing our hard-earned dollars at overpriced vintage stuff.
Thanks for watching Phillip!
Lewitt has quickly become my go to company for low noise top quality sounding mics. 440 workhorses.
Thank you for watching!
Such a great song! Glad to be in the company of some fantastic modern mics, and see into your engineering and mixing process, Joe!
Thank you! Glad to have your products in our studio 🎉
Thanks ever so much! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Marvellous!@@InTheMixJoeCarrell
How do we enter to win the LEWITT Mic
Another great video Joe! Great sound and I really appreciate the very detailed description as always! Great sound from an awesome sounding group! Thank you. You Rock!
Thank you Doug 🎉
Music becomes instantly better when horns are added! Great song! Gonna be fun to mix! This song and the last are hitting it out of the park!
Awesome!! Thank you for watching
Yes! Who doesn't love horns?
You Rock!@@InTheMixJoeCarrell
Very cool video Joe!!! I appreciate your detailed explanation and your thoughts on why you make the decisions you make. I've had my eye on the 640TS for a while now so watching these videos potentially is costing me money (like your 414 stories). I'm looking forward to listening to and mixing the multitracks. Thanks again!!!
Hahaha. I do love these 640s I admit. Used them a lot since that day. Thank you for watching!
Great video! I own some of these mics and love them. I own a pair of 640 TS, a 640 REX, and a pair of Lauten LA120.
Nice!! Thank you for watching
Love Joe. Tons of wisdom here and some quality gear being used. Loving the Lewitt mics too. Very impressive stuff.
Thank you Nick!
What am amazing song and performance. I dont think the song finished before I followed them on spotify and instagram.
The previous song/vid from joe was also incredible. Cant wait to load these tracks up in my daw.
Wow! Thanks ever so much!
Glad you love them too! Best wishes 🎉
Very nice video. Microphones are the stuff of life. :) I've been experimenting with just a R44c into a 1073 straight to tape. Such a trip. I don't need vintage mics, but using the vintage design gives me THAT sound. No need to splash out the money for a 60s mic when te old designs are available new today. I am not missing anything.
Thank you for watching 🎉
Fantastic job as always Joe! Is that ec300 delay on his vocal? Nice fx! 👏🏻👏🏻
Very likely!!! That’s one of my faves. Thanks for watching Fernando
Wow, what a great song! Awesome vocalist. You should have heard the guitar solo I just played along with it 😂
I love 3 chord songs!
Hahaha. Glad you’re enjoying!
Neat King Bee pair, Warm Audio 414 and 47, and modded Apex 210 to sound like a RCA 44BX..... For about 1400 for all
Thank you for sharing
Starting over right away. Very nice song, nice vocals, very nice backing vocals, guitar sound, love the light mixing touches making a ton of difference, and ribbons on brass! I have a Lewitt LCT440 pure, but not sure it is the best for MY voice, but will try it a bit more together with SSL-plugins.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Thank you man!! Thank you for watching 🎉
You Rock!@@InTheMixJoeCarrell
Great song, well executed ...enjoyed this very much! 👍
Awesome. Thank you for watching 🎉
Thanks for another great vid Joe, you're nailing these!! Much appreciated for the serious sounds!! Just downloaded the multi tracks :)
Joe rules!!
Awesome. Enjoy them!!🎉🎉
@@Producelikeapro The whole channel does!!🤟
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell Shall do!!🙂
This is so fantastic!!! Greetings from Germany and thanks for sharing…
Moving the needle forward ✌🏻 … this is it !!! Thnx joe
Thank you for watching!
Great track and performance! What a talented group!
Thank you man! Have a great week
Very inspiring stuff. Joe is awesome!
Thank you 🎉
Great concept for a vid, looking at new gear with a great sounding band. Love the way you stayed focused and let us hear these cool mics in action.
Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it
Thank you Howie. Be sure to grab those multitracks and enter to win the pure tube!!
Marvellous!@@InTheMixJoeCarrell
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell cool beans, I'll go check out the tracks.
YOWZA!! 😮😮what was that at the end? lol 🤔
great in depth vid otherwise...THANKS guyz!!
A very well produced video. Now I've found Maxwell and the Shakes I'll be following and playing them into the future. Top stuff.
Thank you Robin!
That’s marvellous to hear!
@@InTheMixJoeCarrellyou rock!
I love the smart gate it's saves so many recordings with mic noise.
Yeah that’s a clever piece of software!
An admirable video! Thank you! ❤
Thanks ever so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you friend. Best wishes.
Great video, thanks..............Someone has started messing with the intro music, I noticed it a few days ago........and as for the outro in this video, well, you might want to check that.
haha Don't know what happened there? Extra echo came in!
Thank you for watching Marc
Great stuff, thx! What happened with the payoff (music)?
Thank you for watching Marcel!
Thanks so much for including us, Joe😄 Everything sounded great!
Thank you!! Much love to the Lauten family 🎉
You guys Rock Lauten!
You Rock Joe!
Great video! Btw which microphones are we listening on the OH tracks? The LEWITT or the Lauten Audio?
Thank you Dave! On overheads it’s the Lewitt LCT640s. Super impressive workhorse mics to me. In the same manner of the 414 or 87 that can be thrown around on anything on any given day…I feel like these have that same ability to become a long time “standard”. Great sound BUT also lots of bells and whistles type of options that it’s predecessors never had. Big fan.
Wow those drums overheads are excellent! Thanks Joe for the modern microphones experiment ;)
Marvellous! Thanks to Joe indeed!
Yes!! That was one of my stand outs from that day. That mic in general is a STUD. Thank you for watching 🎉
Thought this was a take on DefPunk's Get Lucky. However I love the performance, arrangement & mix!!
Thank you man!! Have a great week
hmm...My Stager SR-5 is passive. Did they start making an active version? I agree, sounds great on amps.
I’m not sure really. These for sure are active. Have phantom power handy! Haha. Thank you for watching!
The 251 is my favorite mic... It haunts me. But this was exactly the question I wanted answered and asked a bit ago. Thanks. A lot to consider... I mean I can somehow make an akg p220 sound great on my vocals and it's not even technically my best mic... But I still want an upgrade an modern mics have my attention. Super useful
I love 251s!! I have a very high end recreation on order. But that 1040 isn’t going anywhere either 😂😂😂 Thank you for watching.
This video is the proof of making decent Music with much budget friendly gear! Even converters are Avid 192's and people still racing converters,mics etc. If you know what you are doing you can make good music with decent setup these days Incredible! Thank you Warren! Love sound of Lewitt Mics
Man, that final credits music is trippy this time. Is that an analog or digital delay? (Ha!) but in all seriousness, nice video! Great to see newer models of mics in action.
Haha thanks for staying until the end!
Thank you Tom!!
That snare sound is so great ❤️ what great performers though
Marvellous!
Yes they are! Thank you for watching and commenting 🎉🎉
I'll take one of each mic, please! Man, sounds so great I'm not sure there's anything to mix 😆
Marvellous!
Trust me I’m having trouble sending any of them back 😂 Thank you for watching 🎉
Another good one guys. Thanks again. Can you please do some good old Rock n Roll next time? Would love to hear some exiting Electric Guitars and Bass recorded with real amps!
I’d love to a rock video! Thank you for watching
We've certainly done lot's of Rock and Roll! More to come I'm sure
Indeed Joe!
I’m loving the Joe episodes! Thanks. Can you please explain why you blend in samples when you have 3 good snare mics providing the juice already? Isn’t it just cake on cake? I get when homestudios employ samples… but that tracking session sounded so good on it’s own. I can’t really understand why it’s needed, your extended comment would be wonderful to read! Thanks so much for good content! ❤
Thank you Sebastian! Glad you enjoyed the video. It’s just that extra 20% of goodness to compete in the modern marketplace. Not every song and especially not every genre I would do that. But anything that’s a little more hard hitting, it’s almost like tuning versus not tuned vocals. Just doesn’t seem quite as impressive if that extra little percentage isn’t in there compared to the next song in the playlist.
Thanks for your answer! @@InTheMixJoeCarrell
holly smoke, i thought it was leonard and friends. Big sound.
Thank you for watching Andy 🎉
Thanks Andy!
You Rock Joe!
Still like my baby blue, Lewitt 240 .. my my akg d12 is my most expensive mic.. it was free to me.. also have an old 57 with no cap great for snare .. hobbiest here ..old weekend warrior
Thank you for watching and best wishes Nate!
wow never expected a response .. I dig your feel how you handle artists always positive .. great stuff .. thanks @@InTheMixJoeCarrell
Lauten mics are amazing just like the Lewitt ones! I loved the song, Joe, despite the 5-string bass! ; ) Cheers!
Hahah. Thanks for watching Luke
I love the lewitt mics the First mic i got was a pure tube for around 150 euro and I like it more than a tlm 102
Thank you for watching !
Great video!! So many younger people and those new to the industry NEED this!! The Caché that vintage/ legendary/ ubiquitous mics are not only unnecessary, they are not the ONLY way to make GREAT music sound AMAZING! Thanks again, Joe! But - Yikes! Did that damaged cable at 17:47 get swapped out? 😮
I have no memories from that day 😂. Thanks for watching!
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell Hah! I totally get that - thanks again 🤘🏻
Didn't know it would make THAT much of a difference, sounds so organic! Let me enter to win the Lewitt mic!!!!
Thanks for watching and good luck on the giveaway!
Nashville, what a good place to be sound engineer !
Very true
That’s absolutely a fact. So much talent concentrated around here. Thank you for watching 🎉
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell Thank you people for making such great content every time! I look forward every time to watching the videos and downloading the multitracks 😊
Great tune!
Thanks ever so much!
Thank you for watching Josue!
Great song and great performances!
🎉🎉🎉 thank you for watching
Agreed! Wonderful performance!
Thanks Joe!
That was a pretty cool song!
Glad you liked it! Thank you for watching
How do we enter the mic giveaway
Great song and band. Joe does a great job dispensing his wisdom too.
Thank you!
The best mic to use is the one you have! Lots of us don’t have that many choices 😂
Agreed 100%. Thanks for watching
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell thanks for sharing :)
So true!
Great song. Joe what do you think about JZ mics??
Thank you! I have never tried a JZ product at this point. Someday I’m sure
We need you to get the JZ mics!
We love their BH2 & V67!
@@Producelikeapro i am game!!
Maxwell & The Shakes are a great band, my goodness!
They sure are! More to come from them. Thank you for watching!
Yea! Especially old Neumanns
Thank you for watching
I don't have and can't afford any serious vintage gear. Mics of not. One of my favorite vocal microphones is a $700 Apex 435 large condenser mic. It just sounds good! I use Cubase 12 Pro. I have a bunch of inexpensive mics with my most expensive one being my Warm Audio WA47jr. If it sounds good, it is good! Truer words were never spoken.
That 47jr may be the best $300 mic ever!! Impressive. Best wishes Jeremy
Amazing video
Thank you 🎉🎉
Thanks ever so much
You Rock!@@InTheMixJoeCarrell
Where do I enter? The Lewitt vintage mic will have a home with me. Pick me, coach Joe.
In the description section!! Good luck!!!
How much processing was done to the multitracks linked above? Tom edits is that it? Is the rest how it was tracked?
Watch the video for Joe to break it down.
I did. Then downloaded the multitracks. And it sounds great with no plugins. I’m just wondering if that’s how it was tracked or if some additional processing was committed ITB before the multitrack was posted. I understand there was some shaping on the way into PT with hardware. Is that it? Thanks for the response!
Correct. Everything is as recorded. The only things that were compressed likely would have been the kick, snare, drum rooms. Also, some light EQ on the kick, snare, and Tom’s. Everything else is completely raw. Enjoy🎉
Nice! Killer skills man and that’s a great sounding room too. 🤘
@@timmceneany2573 yes!! That room is very special. 24ft ceilings and lots of aged exposed wood.
Great band!
They sure are! Thank you for watching Daniel🎉
Just got a WA-67. It’s not an all rounder but my god the mid range punches you in the face
Absolutely. I love blending new AND old 🎉
strong delay effect on the PLAP jingle at the end of the video.
I know! What the heck happened there?
@@Producelikeapro It kind of sounds like the audio/video and bit was added twice, slightly out of synch.
Oh well. All the most important stuff was proper I hope 😂. Thank you for watching 🎉
Yes, a little nutty to say the least!@@wikkidperson
The thing with older vintage mics is this: they were either consumer or professional level. There weren't a lot of inbetweeners. You either got the cheapo Grundigs or Philips to plug into your small reel to reel, or broadcast quality stuff, which was nothing to sneeze at. Mics were commissioned by broadcasting houses, in a quest to be better than their competitors, to get government and military contracts, etc. Nowadays there's a mic for every price, and its all profit driven, pushed by marketing and paid reviews. It's not about innovation, but about finding a space in the market. Even the once great mic companies have since started suffering from this, take AKG in the 90s. There are too many mics to choose from, its option paralysis when it comes to purchasing. Too many companies competing for the same spot and the last 10% of the price. If you buy a vintage mic with a particular reputation at least you know what you're getting - no influencer is trying to pull wool over your eyes.
I see what you’re saying about vintage mics and the marketplace at that time. However, I really feel you’re underestimating that there are microphones being manufactured now that are indeed pushing the envelope at the highest levels. I’ve heard our predecessors say many times that they never believed at the time, that an 87 or a 67 was something magical and would be revered and worth so much money 40 or 50 years later. It was just a tool they had. So what modern microphones or tools are we potentially missing out on right now that will become classics of their own? It’ll happen. Thanks for watching 👊🏼
What's the tempo of the song?
I really don’t remember. You can tap tempo in your DAW though. There is also quite a few great phone apps for that. Some are free 🎉🎉🎉 thank you for watching and enjoy those tracks
Ancient tech is fine, so long as it doesn't fail at the wrong moments (which it often does). So, kudos to the new makers.... Maybe I missed it, but no time alignment on the drum mics? I've found that that at least 50% of drum tone improvements can be gotten with a lot less EQ, gating, and other processing just by getting drum mics aligned. Yes, it can be a fiddly nuisance, but well worth it.
I do sometimes use sound Radix for that if needed. But very often, if I am recording and placing the microphones, simple old school polarity flips is all I need to get what I’m after. Thank you for watching 🎉
I cried wow
Have to replace the sm57 on snare botom. Its ugly as sounds like 57 and not as a snare drum and always popping out from transporent condensers.
Has more option to win with beyer m69 or akg d224.
Of course you don't NEED vintage mics but if you have the money and can appreciate and leverage any benefits then all power to you. At the opposite end there are plenty of pretty cruddy mics but we live in a wonderful time of v serviceable and affordable mics too.
Another reason for this vid? Vintage mics don't get youtubers their $ponsor bux and clickthroughs and if we're honest I don't think PLAP are afraid of either.
Before watching: Came here from IG for the Mic giveaway. Wish me luck.
Hahah. Good luck man 🎉
Yes, lets move on
Tested: Where Does The Tone Come From In A Microphone?
That’s a DEEEP convo of components that I’m probably not best equipped to answer! Haha. Thank you for watching and commenting 👊🏼
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Thanks ever so much!
You Rock Joe!
I wish I had the money to buy the 1040. 😅
Start saving! It really is awesome. I decided to NOT send it back 😂
Ha! Good decision!
Check out that LCT 640 TS!
1. no
2. no
Pure Tube mics sounds thin, bright, and sterile to me.
New mics They’re great but, uh they’re not bringing anything new often-they keep emulating the vintage. They aren’t innovative being new qualities. Other than harsh highs
The Lauten and Lewitt are all original designs!
You may want to research those Lewitt and Lauten mics a bit more. There’s actually quite a lot of new and modern features. And harsh high end wasn’t one of them. I can tell you as a one time mic snob, I’m glad I opened my mind up. Thanks for watching 🎉
The Lewitt and Lauten Mics aren't trying to be clones.
So, to make things short: No. You don't need vintage mics. Buy an Aston Spirit and you'll be fine.
I didn’t say that exactly 😂 Thank you for watching 🎉
Seems that new tech is okay but the fact that we like to go and get our hands on an original U47 , C12 or C800G says it all , New doesnt mean always good.
I own a Neumann U47, have done for many years! It's great! I also own and use plenty of other less expensive mics as well that get used all the time. Horses for courses! P.S I also have RCA's, Neumann KM56, AKG C12A and many more! I am lucky to be able to use them all and be able to compare.
After this specific session, I am finding myself using a much more varied blend between new technology mics like these and vintage or vintage inspired mics. Sometimes I just have to prove something to myself first 😂😂 Thanks for watching!
No.
Why is the snare sample so loud? Why bother recording a good musician in a world class studio if you're going to stick a loud, ugly sample right in the middle of it? It peaks so much louder than the rest of the mics! Once he turned it on, it's all you can hear!
Actually it’s quite lower than the real snare. Definitely adding a nice consistency I liked though. If you download the multitracks feel free to not use the sample. We got a really nice snare sound that day! Thanks for watching.
It's not peaking, it's sustaining
@@TransistorLSDyeah that’s what I hear too 👊🏼 that was the goal anyway. Thanks for watching 🎉
So it is an endorsement for Lewitt mics that are overly bright and hyped...
Not at all. It’s a concept and Lewitt and Lauten were kind enough to participate. I haven’t found the Lewitts to have the characteristics you describe. I’m enjoying them and decided to keep most all of them here to go alongside my classics. Best wishes
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell Ok, thanks. There are far too many endorsements going on. Lewitt' basic mics are akg 414 oriented, that is far too bright for a lot of voices. Not a good alround mic, in my opinion.
Just because it’s recorded doesn’t mean it sounds good. New mics work on some stuff, if you only use new mics, it’s because you’ve never heard older ones or you’re deaf
In my long career I’ve used and owned/own many many many sought after vintage mics. So I can say with quite a lot of confidence, that quite a few new designs can hold their own if we are willing to give them a try. I personally think this recording sounded pretty darn good 😂😂. I guess I’m partial though. Best wishes
this has absolutely nothing to do with your title, like almost all of your videos of the past few years, it's disappointing, maybe just actually talk about the issue you bring up, which would make a fascinating discussion with any experienced audio engineer, any, a dude you found on the street that says he recorded a band once, he'd have something to say, instead you guys record a band and use some gimmick doing it trying to rope in obviously sponsored products, and just abandon the admittedly clickbait in the first place title, it's incredibly annoying, I stopped watching because of it and I thought this was a good enough idea to click back on it, and you know what I regret it yet again, your content is getting so stale, and it's not lack of effort, it's lack of expansion, please, find something else to do instead of clickbait titles, "we recorded a band with lauten mics" is what this video is, it has nothing to do with vintage mics at all, literally nothing, objective at least, so why even bring it up?
Yep same for me. Misleading title and same content as always. It’s videos like these that make me wonder why I’m still subbed
Hey thank you for being a loyal subscriber it sounds. The idea and concept for this video was mine and just to be clear no money changed hands whatsoever. As a long time working professional who is always eager to evolve and change in the mix room, I admitted to myself that I was pretty hung up and stale in the studio as a Recording engineer. Still fairly obsessed with vintage items in old school technology. And when those items were not available to meet, there was a little bit of an anxious uneasy feeling using things I was unfamiliar with. So I thought it would be fun to challenge myself to throw out every microphone I was used to, and use only models that were new and not re-creating anything from the past. Hopefully that makes sense. I know there are thousands of guys just like me that also have this thought and may want to follow along and download the multi tracks. Obviously not every video and every subject will be for every subscriber. And I’m sorry that you did not connect with this one, but maybe the next one. That said be sure and enter to win that Lewitt Pure Tube!! It’s really a sweet piece of gear. Best wishes.
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