The Wounded Healer
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- čas přidán 10. 08. 2021
- There are three major models of healing: medical, shamanic, and psychoanalytic. In the first, the doctor does it to you; in the second, the intermediary does it for you; and in the third, Jung’s dialectical process, we work together to discover “the curative powers in the patient’s own nature.” Just as every wounded patient has inner health, every healer has an inner wound. If consciously known and borne, the analyst’s wound serves the healing process. In Greek myth, Chiron symbolizes the wounded healer, a term Jung originated. A wise and noble centaur, Chiron suffered a painful, incurable wound-and inspired many a Greek hero to reach full potential. Psychotherapy and psychoanalysis attract wounded healers. A recent survey shows that 82% of applied psychology graduate students and faculty in the U.S. and Canada experience mental health conditions. We must be willing, like Chiron, to embrace the darkness of our painful places if we hope to help others embrace theirs.
Here’s the dream we analyze:
“I had just moved into a house with new roommates. One of the roommates was an African American social media personality, and the other roommate was a Latinx man. As a white woman with a privileged background, I felt like an intruder, but was excited to be living with them. In the first week, I get back to the house, and no one is home. In one of the shared spaces, the ‘social media personality roommate has left out materials for one of her projects where she has two mason jars that have been fermenting and infusing for weeks. Both jars are filled with a clear liquid, where the top half of the liquid is red, and the bottom half is blue. One jar is labeled “separated,” and the other doesn’t have a label. Since I’ve seen her video about this on social media, I know that if the labeled jar is shaken, the colors will stay separated, and with the unlabeled jar, they will mix into a purple. Without thinking, impulsively, I grab the unlabeled mason jar and tip it over, watching the colors bleed into each other. I give it a shake, and it turns into a gorgeous, bright, light, almost neon purple. Immediately I realize what I’ve done and that I can’t separate the colors again. I’ve destroyed my new roommate’s weeks of patient work. I feel horrible. I pray for it to reset, but I know it’s too late. I’m in a fancy German University library with my boyfriend. I’m a mess, confessing what I had done. I need to tell my roommate that I am sorry and that I promise I will never touch her work again, but I don’t actually know her real name or phone number. My boyfriend and I are scouring all sources to find a way to contact her: emails, texts, social media, but she uses multiple monikers, and we can’t figure out her real name. I’m sobbing and self-conscious of making noise in the uptight library. My boyfriend tries to lighten the mood and loudly says, “If I’m ever going to have kids, I’m going to do it when I’m 27, not when I’m 34” as a type of joke, which causes a stir in the quiet library and generates some laughter. I’m embarrassed and feel helpless. I know what I want to say to her to apologize, but I am missing key information to be able to contact her.”
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2:53
“I said: what about my eyes?He said: Keep them on the road.
I said: What about my passion?He said: Keep it burning.
I said: What about my heart? He said: Tell me what you hold inside it?
I said: Pain and sorrow.
He said: Stay with it. The wound is the place where the Light enters you.” ― Rumi
I can't tell you how much I look forward to the notification of a new episode. I really adore the three of you and the effect you have upon my life and the world.
Likewise. The podcast is a weekly delight!
I just recently discovered you guy’s podcast and I have to say it is a new favourite.
This podcast in particular was very meaningful to me.
I had a breakdown when I was 15 and spent 4 years in a psychiatric hospital. While it kept me alive it was still a place I felt very misunderstood. The adults in my life had no point of reference to begin to understand what was happening to me. I am now 35 and have found some kind of balance with living with a brain that functions the way mine does and functioning in a wider society... I became an artist.
It was really strange for me (and I’m sure for for them) when many of my elders went through midlife and entered a dark night, that I was able to walk with them through that space with a sense of familiarity and peace.
Many of them felt a sense of guilt and grief that I had gone through that a such a young age and none of them had known what to do.
I felt some sadness about that too, but it also felt like a meeting place to connect and give love and understanding which was ultimately healing.
I am grateful for your work. The 15yr old me just healed a little more🙂.
I have a comment on the dream. It's just an observation that I have as an outsider, see I'm from the Dominican Republic and have been watching the developing social and racial attitudes in the United States. While I think it's a good thing that everyone reevaluates their role in society, this whole framing of "white privilege" and guilt gives me an uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach.
What I perceived in that dream is a person terrified and guilt-ridden about who they are, so much so that it carries into their dream. I could feel the walking on egg-shells even in describing the dream. To be honest, it makes me sad, and I see it as counter-productive in many ways. I feel as if I meet a white American person, once they know of my background, to them I'm no longer just Nathalie, another human. I would be the Latinx woman (term that I and many people of Latin descent do NOT stand behind) and there would immediately be a distance between us, an annoying carefulness of not being offensive or saying the wrong thing, which I frankly find condescending.
I know this is a touchy subject so I hope no one takes this comment the wrong way. I just had a strong feeling that I should say something about this since I feel this point was skirted around somehow (which is understandable). Cheers.
Get well soon, Joseph!
"The ache to go home to the original Self..." You say so many profound and touching things, Joseph, and for me your words truly resonate since you preserve with them their depths, expressing them unhurriedly, thoughtfully and with immense care... speaking for the soul, not just to the mind. This is appreciated greatly! Lovely episode, wish it was longer.
I feel so seen and cared for! Thank you, that was lovely. ~ Joseph
guided to this, currently healing the collective as it is healing me ❤
same and it means so much and makes me make sense at last oh shit
29:30 That's just an early version of ASMR. The ancients knew all about the tingles
I wonder if the dream signifies some sort of internal existential challenge for the dreamer. The three things that really stood out to me that are driving my hunch about this were...
1. The very impactful, vivid and I believe symbolic observation of the addict being so close to death and then gasping air to bring back life
2. Shaking the jar (which feels to me as if the dreamer is shaking both life and death together to make finite existence)
3. The library (a place where history is recorded) and the comment of the dream boyfriend of having children. The quote wrestles with time in addition to questioning whether to create children to bring into the world
Just a hunch on all of this, not a Jungian analyst although it seems like a wonderful career
Thanks D, L and J for another great episode
- James :)
Very interesting Jungian discussion. I was interested in Depth Psychology when I was younger but did not have the time to explore it further. So this is very helpful to me to start by listening and getting familiar with the material.
I always get the clients I *need*, not that I deserve. V good episode!
great topic !
This video found me.
Me too 💜
Fascinating and very enjoyable. What is the name of the book? I didn't catch it 🙂🍀
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