How Strong Is Katakuri ACTUALLY? (One Piece)
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- čas přidán 7. 10. 2023
- How Strong Is Katakuri ACTUALLY? A question asked by many a curious One Piece fan, ever since his introduction. But now four long years removed from that legendary opening. Katakuri has gone from one of the most overrated, One Piece Manga Characters? To undoubtedly, the most underrated.
So do you believe Katakuri is the weakest of Every Commander Ranked? Do you believe this billion berry man, has been power crept? And do you believe- that One Piece power scaling is broken? Because today, we'll debunk- all of it. To answer that fabled question?
Of How Strong Is Charlotte Katakuri?
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Great video, people forget that context matters but usually powerscalers don't include it unless it is for their own benefit, glad someone noticed that the simply scaling oda does is clear cut its not like bleach when ichigo negs 3 VC or madara negs the 5 kages, oda makes it clear that people are a certain level like katakuri is literally a 1st commander to think he's below queen is ridiculous. 10/10 video
Yeah. Oda is a writer who makes his scaling, a bit more fluid. He plays fast and loose when it comes to giving old characters upscaling to modern arcs especially. It's really not all too hard to follow though, as long as you pay attention to Narrative/Plot beats in the story.
With things like Big Mom's Crew + Kaido's crew making the strongest crew of all time for example. Making no sense, if Big Mom has a crew of fodders.
And even by feats, I feel like Oda's portrayal of characters post whole cake, like Luffy and Peros. Support the notion that Katakuri definitely hasn't been power crept.
Glad you enjoyed the video though regardless!
Glad you broke it down cuz it was getting really weird seeing ppl say kat loses to ulti or kinemon when mostly top tiers have abilities like awakening or future sight which kat has both. Oda clearly doesn't think of him anywhere below topiroppo but actually relative next to the commanders of yonko crews. Also want to say ENDURANCE > DURABILITY in one piece shown time and time again. @@TUCKALMIGHTY
Glad you enjoyed the video! & I’m always happy to try and clear up misconceptions about characters strength.
Since I know the power scaling community, is always so weird. About the ways in which they over hype, or under hype, a character.
Katakuri definitely deserves more respect than he gets right now, for sure. Narrative backs it up, feats back it up, and Oda’s lore backs it up. He’s 100% clowning on the Tobiroppo 🔥
@@TUCKALMIGHTY the fact that we have to sit here and talk about the tobi roppo vs katakuri proves without a shadow of a doubt that these sick katakuri anti fans have caused this community a great chaos which NO ONE PIECE FAN does such things, i see ridiculous claims EVERY SINGLE DAY...
u either like the story and accept what is presented from it to you OR you become a hater towards it just bcz you pick an agenda u choose to support with lies, emotions and bias and disregard every fact that is shown just because u want to follow a new trend like a sheep... anti katakuri fans happen to be the 2nd choice...
katakuri beats all the tobi roppo at once
Hold on im only 29 secpnds in and theres a video that states that a man that can see a few seconds into the future gets beaten by ulti? Huh?
I know, sounds ridiculous right?
Great video that's very refreshing to see. I really appreciate how Oda is so nuanced with his powerscaling that there are multiple reasons for someone losing or winning. For example, if Luffy didn't have to use gear 2 against Blueno and fight a couple thousand soldiers, maybe his fight with Lucci would be more even, maybe he could have lost if he didn't have the advantage of attacking while Lucci had his back turned when getting up. Even if it isn't the actual reason, or I am wrong, I appreciate that it's there.
People really thinking Ulti folds him...
Cause she does 👀
@@jojoplayz3008 one piece powerscaling is insane
@@jojoplayz3008 katakuri claps
@@jojoplayz3008 why? Because a base luffy that was holding back wasn't beating ulti right away?
@@jojoplayz3008narrative >>>>>>>>>> feats
Why people say katakuri is the weakest commander when its clearly jack whos the weakest
Ehhh, Jack had better scaling than Snack/Cracker/Smoothie
@michaeldorsey9231 for real, it's like they didn't read the manga
Great video you explained it perfectly and you did not even go into feats ,capilities and more great video i 100% agree ,but who do you thinj he can and can not beat .
Loved this video, your analysis goes beyond low iq power scaling. Great job
Perospero only rivaled a half dead scabbard
Unfortunately, Oda seems to disagree. The Luffy who fought Kaido at the beginning of Wano couldn't damage or keep up with Kaido in gear 4 (the same Luffy who beat Katakura) while when Onigashira Luffy who in base was able to keep up and damage Kaido got jumped by Ulti he felt the need to use gear 4. Tldr: Katakuri < act 1 Luffy < Ulti > base act 3 Luffy
I disagree with this point pretty strongly, because Oda makes it pretty clear that any of the Scabbards > all the Tobiroppo, with Jack literally confirming it on panel. Where as even fodder Big Mom pirates like Perospero, could fight scabbards such as Cat Viper.
We also see that Kin'emon was weak enough to get diced up by punk hazard law, as well as too weak to help against Doffy. So I'd definitely say the scabbards are weaker than base start of Act 3 Luffy.
And in my opinion? The only reason Luffy wanted to use G4 at this point, was likely to rush to the roof? Since the scabbards were about to get cooked by Kaido. Since Base Luffy at that point, was still damaging Ulti & Page one, 2v1.
So IMO, Katakuri is around the same level as Base Act 3 Luffy, Pre-ACoC Zoro, and King.
Hope that answers your question though!
I disagree , luffy got one shot because he could not use brute force against kaido. King Kong gun is essentially brute force. He needed to learn Ryo or conqueror haki coating because of kaido dragon scales
Kaido also says conqueror haki coating is rear and only the strongest have it, which is why the yonkou are who they are
On the roof zoro also went down with 1 thunder bagua. Also any first commander will get put down by 1 thunder bagua. You think king gonna tank a thunder bagua with his flames off?
King also cannot cause any damage to kaido. It's not just luffy.
This does not make post wholecake luffy weak , it just means kaido was too strong. A first commander is weaker than an admiral , and an admiral is weaker than a yonkou.
Kaido was 2 tiers above luffy in strength. So how you expect him to go from first commander level to yokou level after 1 fight?
People use fighting kaido as a cause to justify katakuri is weak. Katakuri is not weak just because luffy got one shot , a yonkou is just much more powerful than a first commander.
Another example, captain kid and killer got 1 shot by shanks at the same time despite a 3 billion bounty and just finishing a fight with big mom.
I'll also point out kid and law didn't defeat big mom by knock out , they found a way to win by sending her off onigashima. Just like they sent her off roof the first time in the sea water.
All this is to say that this is a bad comparison. If katakuri had conqueror haki coating he would instantly be on admiral level
Can you imagine if katakuri uses unstoppable donuts with conqueror haki coating ?
lmao i want to make few points which u glossed over for SOME reason
starting from ur perospero argument
u seem to have glossed over the fact perospero was gonna get deleted by carrot and wanda
while jack defeated multiple sulong minks on the same level if not more experienced and stronger than carrot and wanda
nekomamushi was already weakned from his fight with jack and sulong was the only way he would remain relevant in the field as he cant beat jack without it but jack can beat him
so perospero winning against a non sulong nekomamushi isnt a feat
plus you didnt show any statment that implied perospero was on jacks level you Jack and perosperos defeat PROVES NOTHING JUST ASSUMPTIONS
hurting marco is something fodder marines with bullets do casually its not an accomplishment
and jack saying the scabbers are too much for the tobbi roppo to win against doesnt mean perospero is above the tobbi roppo again your leaving out details that dont match up to put perospero on jacks level
u ignore the fact that scabbards arent on the same level and base injured nekomamushi is weaker than his sulong self this is shown at the start of the arc when dogstorm and cat viper couldnt beat jack for days but ashura doji was able to overpower jack on his first apperance
but lets say your right and cracker is on jacks level and katakuri and smoothie are above that
we move on to the next argument wci luffy vs roof top luffy
while i do believe katakuri is stronger than the tobbi roppo
luffy defintely had surpassed snakeman by leaps and bounds in terms of ap and speed
at 9:33 YOU LIED
its almost like as if u think people dont read the manga and didnt show the page b4 that where luffy landed multiple gear 4 atks on kaido poor sport
luffy saying its still to shallow doesnnt mean it isnt doing dmg
it implies its not doing ENOUGH dmg not no dmg at all
katakuri doesnt have the ap to dmg kaido much less the speed to compete against him with
if you use bigmom as an example based on her using haki then you will have to assume page one is stronger than king and jimbei because she felt the need to use coq haki on him and ulti would also be in the same boat as she felt the need to use a combo named atk on her
there are already flaws in this argument
you never explained where katakuri suddenly aquired the ap to dmg kaido like anyone on the roof top and just assumed it would be the case based on his potrayal
yet the very potrayal he has showen said otherwise
i notice people who defend katakuri always make excuses and assumumotions for him and you just did the exact same thing only more and tried to make it sound natural
Okay, though your argument is valid, it is also completely wrong. For one, saying that Jack defeated sulongs is completely incorrect. He lost to them and Kaido had to step in. Correct me if I'm wrong, but since when was losing to someone winning? And how is Perospero winning Nekomamushi not a feat? He wasn't significantly weakened and its not like it was a close fight. Nekomamushi was getting destroyed. Anyways...
Stating that Luffy has made "leaps and bounds" of improvment from his WCI Snakeman form is true to some extent, but not the extent in which you implied. He got better armament haki with his learning of ryuo, sure (as well as conquerors coating), but his speed and observation didn't improve a whole lot. I know many people willl disagree with me saying observation haki but its true. It isn't like a video gae where you just unlock something instantaniously, Luffy had to train his observation haki which he was able to do before the raid on Onigashima, but before then he was still comparable to Kat. Adding in that Katakuri couldn't damage Kaido is completely irrelevant because nobody expected that of him anyway. No one is saying that he can do that so saying that doesn't make any difference to you argument.
Now finally your last statement was completely untrue to the point you kinda just look like a hater. People that "defend" 🙄 Katakuri aren't making things up. Its the other way round. People who downplay Katakuri make up ridiculous points (such as saying that he can't damage Kaido [like what would that even achieve saying that]) to make out Katakuri is weak, which he isn't. tuckalmighty was literally spitting facts the whoooooole video. Ur just mad he is right. I can respect that you know the tobbi roppo are weaker than him at least 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@katakuri_Cyark you did not read my "ARGUMENT" correctly
Go back and read the chapter kaido stepped in
Jack defeated all the sulong minks except the dog and cat leader this was made clear even in the anime
Kaido then stepped in and made it clear that Jack wasn't weak those 2 were just to strong
The sulong minks jack defeated are all older and stronger than carrot and arguably Wanda and Jack took down multiple of them
He only lost to the main minks the dog and cat
Perospero winning against a injured neko is a feat sure but not one that can be used to compare him to Jack especially when Jack defeated more amped minks while pero almost died to carrot and Wanda
Your second argument of luffys observation haki not improving is valid
You missed the reason I added katakuri
It was because of a point he made in the video I was touching parts he was making
And yes luffys speed and AP in base is >>> than anything he showed in wci
It's hard to accept but true
If u don't accept it I'm not here to change ur mind this world is filled with people who believe their opinion is fact anyway
Just like how a cat cannot be a human being is concrete fact
Luffy in base speed blitzing kaido when his gear 4th fork couldn't is also concrete fact
And as I'm also addressing ur last argument
You said people who downplay katakuri make up ridiculous points such as "katakuri can't dang kaido" is made up?
But that's simply true?
To be even considered worth ur salt you need to be able to hurt kaido which he can't
Even the scabbards can while he can't shows just how overshadowed and powercliffed katakuri is
I never said katakuri is weak
He just isn't up there like he use to be
Now the most intesting part about this entire message you dropped
You praise the creator of the video that he is spitting facts (most likely because you agree with everything he is saying without making your own point as I've already disproved everything you brought up ) hive mind mentality
You then go on to assume my mental state and say I'm "mad" because he is right?
There are people that believe someone else's opinion is right doesn't mean it is
Like people who believe the earth is flat exist everywhere and believe each others opinion
Doesn't mean it's true
Ur no different from the flat earthers you believe everything he is saying even tho in my previous message I made it clear all the mistakes he made but I'm sure u skipped over that because thought out ur entire rebudle u didn't once touch the main points I made and only reached out to the ones u thought u could argue ur way out of
Like bro u still in high school?
Ur acting like a kid
Your taking shots like ur trying to start something
If u don't wanna show respect to someone don't go sending stupid messages
I won't reply anything u send if u can't even show proper home training or at least some humility
@@Packirup1234 Those are some very good points. I am sorry I made those comments, I was acting purely out of instinct. I find Katakuri is downplayed and unrespected, which lead me to react to your comment like that.
Please excuse my bad reasoning and points as I have only read the manga once and am only up to thriller bark in the anime. Despite this I have understood Katakuri and his lvl of strength. I hope you consider giving Katakuri the benefit of the doubt. We all know he deserves it.
@@katakuri_Cyark I'm sorry for overreacting too
I understand where ur coming from
I have no hate r disrespect towards katakuri
All I did was call out the mistakes he made in his video which didn't make sense I also pointed out how the creator purposely avoided showing the next panel f certain scenes which contradict his arguments
By no means do I think katakuri is weak
Kaido is just a special case and his durability is used to determine AP
Anyone who can harm kaido just has better AP than katakuri
But that doesn't mean they can beat katakuri because katakuri just has more versatility
He would be jack and probably struggle with queen due to his invisibility
But he stops at king
I can give a solid reason why if u want
@@Packirup1234 No, I know he can’t beat King . King just has too many feats and advantages with he’s strength and speed. Thanks for your apology, and I’m glad you respect Katakuri.
YESSSSSSS!!!!! PUSH THE KATAKURI AGENDA!!!!!! 🗣🔥
My hype aside, very good video! I'm not super versed on inverse One Piece scaling, but I've always disliked the idea of Katakuri getting power-cliffed on some DBZ-type energy. I definitely agree that Katakuri scales quite a bit higher than most people believe, and similarly would likely peg him at the First Commander tier with characters like King and Queen. I think the only Straw Hats that currently beat him are Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji - and the last two fights I think would likely be mid to high-dif.
But I've always thought that maybe I was a bit biased because I really like Katakuri, so I'm glad to see that someone else puts respect on my boy's name lol. As I said, fantastic video, and I can't wait for the next one!
Always glad to hear you enjoyed the takes!
One Piece is definitely a series I'm a little more versed in, as opposed to some of the other one's I've researched. exclusively for the channel. But I definitely have always disliked the idea as well, that Katakuri would just be DBZ esc power crept.
I don't think it lines up much at all, with how Oda wrote the entire other 90% of the post time skip story. With characters remaining very consistent in terms of strength- from the start of the time skip? Really right up to Whole Cake. As they didn't have too much reason to grow.
Which made enemies like Cracker, Doffy, Jack (maybe), and even Katakuri? All seem very consistent, with their places and progression in the world. Making a character like WCI Luffy, fit very comfortably around what was narratively established as "First commander" tier.
But of course, with Wano rolling around- and seeing the most growth for the strawhats in any arc? I feel like it just sort of overwhelmed a lot of people with feats. Who didn't pay a lot of attention to the other background characters- which were basically the only glue holding together One Piece power scaling at that point.
All of that's to say though, that I definitely agree. Sanji and Zoro narratively surpassed first commander level this arc, so I think they probably High diff, and Extreme Diff respectively in a fight with Kat. And? I think Katakuri beats WCI Luffy high diff, but loses to any other Luffy after- at varying degrees of Diff.
Uta victim
Why everyone talking shit just takes on a lot of relevance, and a guy that ends everyones theory does not appear
I hate youtube
People seem to not understand , luffy got oneshot because he didn't know about conquerors coating , yes its a strength buff but its more of an ability , and without said ability, you can't hurt kaido , power scallers dont like this line of thinking because it makes crossverse scalling hard without equalizing, but thats how it should be , without conquerors haki you can't damage kaido , and thats been portrayed many times , or do you disagree??
I sort of agree? And I sort of disagree, with this line of thought.
Because, on the one hand? Narratively speaking, you need ACoC to fight on par with Kaido, Because short of maybe the admirals (who aren't confirmed to have it) every single person, who has ever been portrayed to truly be on the level- of damaging competing with, or especially defeating Kaido- had ACoC. Zoro, Big Mom, Yamato, Luffy, Etc...
But, on the other hand? I don't necessarily believe it to be a requirement, in a cross verse sense- or even against other One Piece Characters. Because if Kaido were to fight someone as overwhelmingly powerful as Saitama? or Goku? They'd probably just punch right through his scales (since we know can be done, as even Ryou coated attacks, or basic haki attacks- could hurt Kaido, like? A little bit.)
And as for One Piece characters? I think people like an End of Wano Law could hurt him via hax, and I think characters like the admirals (who I highly doubt ALL have ACoC) probably can hurt Kaido as well.
I think ACoC is just a super strong ability, that not only buffs stats- but grants a very effective level of resistance nullifcation? Which is the perfect storm, for beating someone like Kaido- who's durability comes from his skin (and not some sort of magic energy, protecting his organs.)
So TL;DR? It's really helpful for beating Kaido. Just not entirely mandatory. IMO.
This is the dumbest shit I've read, if Luffy doesn't have that ability at said point in time why even bring it up, it's like saying, "actually kid luffy would have destroyed lord of the coast with his G5 he just didn't know about it yet". It's redundant and not an argument at all🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
I haven't really watch the whole video become I'm not chance up to the Wano arc I'm about to watch the Wano arc but i just watch Whole Cake island arc. But i do think Katakuri is one of the strongest One piece characters but i still think his not the strongest if that make sense.
Let me ask your a question who would win Sabo or Katakuri. Like look at Doffy if sabo wanted to he could had Definitely Doffy easier
Always fun to see new people catching up on One Piece. I hope you enjoy Wano!
As for your question, Sabo is probably equally strong to Katakuri.
Since both have an advanced form of Haki, both potentially scale to suppressed admirals (via Marco/King/Katakuri all being similar) and both lack a lot of showings in modern day.
So? The answer could change in the future, but for now- I'd personally call them equals!
0:29 What did i just saw😭 there's no way that's real
The only real power cliffing to katakuri is ACoC Luffy but as a first commander he wouldn’t even get the opportunity to fight a yonko lvl character. He has every haki advantage to become a top tier but lacks opportunity since he’s under a yonko
Unless we get a Luffy vs katakuri rematch 😵💫 and also I have katakuri > king in a extreme diff
I completely agree with all of this. ACoC Luffy (and Zoro) do powercliff the crap out of Katakuri. But he's obviously not a Yonko level character. He's just a first commander.
Having every type of haki, plus an advanced type- an awakened devil fruit- AND more experience than people like Marco & King? He really is just one training arc away from becoming a top tier.
If we gert Katakuri Vs Luffy part 2 though, you can best believe this video gets a follow up Lol.
Also, I agree with Katakuri > King Extreme diff.
katakuri has powercliffed king and sanji before wano's ending and beggining which is funny when people saying he got power cliffed they know for a fact that his threat is immense so they downplay him in hopes of getting a false agenda past our throats
kaido said "i cant tell where his punches are coming from" when he fought against snakeman before he used FS on ch.1042 which means snakeman accomplished a feat SUPERIOR to that of sanji perception blitzing queen simply bcz kaido IS KAIDO and queen is queen and katakuri reacted, dodged, speedblitzed and even outsped snakeman occasionally which even the wiki takes on notice.... sure luffy got stronger from wci to wano HOWEVER we know the stats that luffy became better at and that is haki and strength, he never mentioned nor trained his speed, in his mind he always thought about having the haki to damage kaido not the speed to catch him that was never the problem to luffy THEREFORE katakuri's speed is at least equal to current sanji REMEMBER katakuri has speedblitzed FS user luffy countless times already even when he went up against snakeman, sanji fought a slow dinosaur with bad coo and won high diff bcz queen was distracted LOL... and as for king.... well he never NEVER NEVER managed to speedblitz zoro who is a basic coo user... he only overpowered when during some clashes when zoro was trying to block or overwhelm him but king's strength was proven to be way higher than zoro's but he dont matter anyway bcz he lost in 15 mins and 3 hits against a nerfed zoro who had to hurry bcz his haki was draining his life and the medicine side effects were about to kick in which they would multiply his pain and he still mid diffed king who i like way more than zoro and he is my 6th favorite but this isnt a popularity contest and my emotions do not matter when it comes to powerscaling so 1+1=2
stamina goes automatically to katakuri due to obvious time feats and armament well here it gets probably worse for the rest of all the commanders bcz according to official manga translations katakuri refers to his block mochi as "there are things that surpass armament" therefore katakuri has access to a type of hardening tougher than what basic armament haki can provide to its user and remember, katakuri can apply that type of hardening to his awakening further increasing the mass and overall toughness and size of his AOE attacks which have sticky properties strong enough to stun snakeman and boundman something not even parasite could do against bounceman two arcs priot but it could stun jozu a man who can lift a mountain sized iceberg bigger than 6 giant vice admirals!!! (i literally went back and count them) lets also remember than every known yonko commander so far has only basic armament with katakuri being a step above that due to the combination of supressed mochi and superior basic armament than cracker who was complimented by luffy for his armament and katakuri with just basic armament was able to completely overwhelm luffy far worse than cracker did and that was before kat used block mochi
also whenever i ask anti katakuri fans to name me a strength striking feat superior to buzz cut mochi accomplished by either sanji, king, marco or any other commander i get no reply on that subject and they change it completely using headcanon to prove that they are only biased thinking that we should consider their emotions when we powerscale...
"among the most powerful people in the world there are those who can see a small glimpse into the future" - rayleigh (official translation as always)
lets debate the right hand of the pirate king shall we?
🤣🤣
3 forms of haki, advanced haki, superiot type of hardening that basic armament, awakening, speedblitzing a character taht made yonko kaido say "i cant tell where his punches are coming from" is simply stronger than people like mr. stall who has 3 L and 0 W and got handcuffed by a vice admiral who stood in his face and easily reacted to his speed while showcasing bad AP, a perverted cook who high diffed a distracted 2YC and collapsed and didnt get back up until the war ended and certainly not a man who loses in 3 hits and 15 mins to a current 1YC who was also nerfed.... sanji, king and marco do not meet katakuri's stats and abilities, he simply transcends beyond that but not by much
Ngl Acoc doesn't really matter if ur devil fruit or other types of haki are strong enough like law
7:12 This is true but doesn't actually disprove base Luffy is superior to his prior gear 4th.
Remember gear 4th straight up no sold doffy's kick which rocked base Luffy.
Luffy is still comparable to Zoro and law who tanked a hybrid thunder bagua
I don't think you know what "tank" means, cause they didn't even withstand it, they barely survived
@@delaware5407 Zoro barely did. Law was fine literally the same chapter
I'm on your side bro Katakuri doesn't deserve the hate
What hate no one hates Katakuri
@@SullivanDLuffy me he is quite overrated sanji no diff him
People overestimate the importance of small skirmishes in the OP. Small fights appear in the story all the time, just because Jimbei throws Big Mom to the floor doesn't mean he's stronger than her or close to her, when Chopper slaps Queen or Bruno can fight back against Zoro, Sanji and Luffy in the W7 arc even though he's actually weaker than their future opponents. This has been the case throughout the storyline.
The true strength of the character should be judged by the main fights of arcs. In the case of the Wano arc Luffy's main opponent is Kaido. The first oneshot is partly to hype Kaido up to show him as a badass, on the other hand he was drunk right away which increases his strength and he was probably less inhibited than he was at the beginning of the battle on Onigashima, plus the Conqueror's Haki has a mind-affecting effect. A simple wave can knock out weak opponents immediately, a full punch loaded with advanced haki could also knock out Luffy not only because of the damage, but also + this mind effect.
In the end Katakuri is probably close to King(although I think King is a bit stronger), we were explicitly told that the Yonko teams are roughly comparable to each other in strength, no team would have an easy win and that's why the Yonko have been hesitant to openly confront each other for years. Even Kaido, who thinks he's the strongest. When it comes to Ulti, her real level is roughly Daifuku and Oven. She was literally getting damage from Nami even before Zeus and couldn't oneshot Nami and Usopp. Her final arc opponent is also Nami.
“ on the other hand he was drunk right away which increases his strength and he was probably less inhibited than he was at the beginning of the battle on Onigashima”
Kaido didn’t exhibit any of the behaviors of his Drunken fighting style when he was in Kuri, at least not after Luffy landed his first hit on him. I’m fairly certain as well that he said he had sobered up after the fact, so while he was absolutely drunk coming to Kuri I don’t believe it played any role in Kaido’s ability to one shot Luffy so early on.
@@michaeldorsey9231 That moment didn't require him to show himself. I don't know if you watched the anime or read the manga, but in the anime it's so stretched out. In the manga it's a literal quick oneshot where Kaido had no reason to show off his special drunken skills. It's also worth remembering that Oda doesn't reveal the true strength of the characters until a main fight where all the specifics of the character's strength will be described. But that doesn't mean they didn't use that power.
Also, I'm not just referring to specific drunk mode skills, but literally being able to restrain yourself. At the beginning of the Onigashima battle, the Yonko deliberately restrained themselves and underestimated their enemies.
@@twss2859 I absolutely agree that Kaido was holding back so early on during Rooftop, I just don’t believe that he would be hitting with less power than he did in Kuri.
Even aside from whether he was drunk or not, he was disappointed by Luffy after one shoting him in Kuri and evidently craves a good fight, I don’t see it being in character for him to use a weaker hit on a Luffy who could successfully damage him this time around, especially since he still coated his second Thunder Bagua with Conquerors Coating.
@@michaeldorsey9231 It is difficult to say how much they held back, but it is also worth remembering Kaido’s desire to mentally break the enemy and lure him to his side. Essentially, his attacks are limited to not killing/maim and he having a relatively low opinion of Luffy's strength at the Kuri momente. At least until the moment he recognized Luffy as one of the strongest people (or potentially at least) and clearly no longer restrained himself when Luffy start use advanced ConHak. I would say holding back the power of your attacks is one of the popular anime tropes, something like "I only used 10% of my power" - ever since Dragon Ball. Although of course in One Piece this clearly does not reach such ridiculous degrees.
Most underrated character is ace ngl
I can get behind that. I'd say he's one of the most underrated.
But with his fight against Yamato in the Anime, and his own spin off manga? I feel like he's got way more to work with than most underrated characters. (Like Kat, or Doffy.)
@@TUCKALMIGHTY yeah
refreshing power scaling
Kaido one shots post wholecake luffy because of conqueror haki coating , not because luffy is weak. Luffy would have been able to fight king right after wholecake.
If you look at kaido vs zoro and law, zoro got 1 thunder bagua and was out the same way as luffy. It not that zoro is weak , it's because you can't tank a hit like that easily
The original 3 yonkou big mom, kaido and whitebeard first commanders pirates strength are relative to one another.
I would argue that katakuri has the highest power ceiling since he has conqueror haki
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Nah the community been misconcepting on kat just cus someone said kat took 11 punches from luffy n lost.
Ppl don’t realize just how strong luffy is. All of his attacks carry massive amounts of tensile force
On top of that luffy negates blunt force damage so kat punching him wasn’t doing much damage to begin with, also we find out that luffy is a mythical zoan df, so the whole fight Luffy has zoan durability on top of being rubber, and has a healing factor.
The match up was simply not in Kats favor, because he’s fighting against LUFFY. At the end of the day it came down to an immovable object, luffy not going down, aka luffys passive skillls. vs the unstoppable force, Katakuri outclassing luffys active skills
“On top of that luffy negates blunt force damage so kat punching him wasn’t doing much damage to begin with”
Nah, anyone who fights Luffy with Armament Haki is bypassing his rubber defense against blunt force by default as explained by Rayleigh. So through the fight Luffy was absolutely taking the full force of Kat’s punches, it just so happens that even without his rubber body Luffy can power through hits from stronger opponents, so long as they’re not that far above his own strength (ie Kaido).
I don’t necessarily agree with the extent of how much people think Kat got power cliffed (ie. the notion that Monster Point Chopper could beat him just because he could superficially damage a restrained Queen is ludicrous), but he did undeniably get cliffed to some extent, and unfortunately I think there are some holes in your arguments.
“Perospero is narratively shown to be equal to Jack”
While their final showings in the arc were comparable, everything leading up to that moment was far from equal.
Perospero’s first fight of significance was against Sulong Carrot and Wanda (not counting him trying to shoot at a restrained Marco as that’s more of a Big Mom showing), where he was only able to beat them offscreen after they lost their Sulong. He then goes to the Dance floor, takes potshots at Chopper, gets caught up in Sanji kicking Queen around, then is dragged away by an already wounded base Neko for his final fight.
Jack led an army of Gifters against most of the Mink tribe in their Sulong, in one panel was shown batting aside 6 Sulong minks despite already having weapons sticking out of him, and had to be taken out by Sulong Neko and Inu at the same time. Shortly after a rest period he encountered the Scabbards once more and took on a similarly wounded Inu.
So not only was Pero going into his final fight significantly less battle damaged/exhausted than Jack, Neko, or Inu, but in his prime condition he was struggling to take down 2 Sulong Minks, whereas a somewhat battle damaged Jack could easily bat 6 Sulong Minks aside with one attack, and needed the 2 strongest minks in the tribe to step in.
So there is no basis for assuming that Pero is as strong as Jack, much less strong enough to match a prime condition Scabbard.
“Izo could easily take down more than one CP agent”
This unfortunately has no basis that I’m aware of. Izo not only struggled fighting the only 2 CP0 agents he encountered, but he straight up died fighting one.
In fairness to him he was still wounded from the Rooftop fight…but then again, so was Drake from being jumped by Queen and Who’s Who, as was Apoo from his fight with Kid and his wound from Zoro. Heck, both Apoo and Drake actually survived a Shigan while Izo did to the only one we saw him take on panel. Not to say that Izo is weaker than or would lose to either of them, but I don’t think Drake or the other Tobi Roppo are far behind the weaker Scabbards.
“G4 Luffy never actually hit Kaido because he was protecting himself with Conquerors Coating”
I don’t know whether this was supposed to refer to their first fight or the beginning of Rooftop, but either way this is inaccurate.
I can understand how it might appear in some panels that Luffy wasn’t making contact with Kaido, with some impacts appearing more blurred than definitive. However there are key panels where it’s explicitly shown that Luffy’s fists were making contact with Kaido’s body (923, Luffy makes contact with Kaido’s face/cheek, his punches make contact with Kaido’s abs in the panel immediately following, 1002, Luffy’s fist lands on Dragon Kaido’s face, 1003, several of Luffy’s punches land blows all over Dragon Kaido). This isn’t even mentioning that in each of these instances, Kaido’s body is never emitting the black lightning often associated with strong Haki, unlike when he’s using his kanabo.
Thinking further about it, if Kaido was protecting himself with Conquerors Coating to the extent that Luffy’s punches weren’t actually landing, wouldn’t Luffy or any of the other Worst Gen have taken note of this, like Law did when Luffy started using Conquerors Coating?
“Whole Cake G4 Luffy forced Big Mom to use Haki”
“Forced” seems like a strong word, Big Mom very much could have overestimated G4’s power at the time. And considering that later in Udon Big Mom actually overpowered a stronger Luffy who was tapping into Ryou, and without any apparent use of Haki, I’m more inclined to believe that reading.
‘But she overpowered base Luffy in Udon, not G4’
Within the Katakuri fight G4 Luffy went from being damaged by Kat’s Peerless Donuts to base Luffy being able to eat several Peerless Donuts, even blocking some with his fists. So there’s not just the precedent that Mirror World base Luffy could match his previous G4 in speed as you mentioned, but he could also match it in power, and he would only be stronger than that after his training in Udon.
“Kuro was said by Oda to have speed comparable to CP9”
Part of this stems from my disagreement in the extent that author intent should play in power scaling, especially if it’s from a statement that’s not in the story proper, but from my recollection Kuro is nowhere near as fast as CP9.
While Kuro was fast enough to move faster than East Blue Luffy could see, after this arc Luffy and the stronger Straw Hats would get their own “faster than sight” speed feats in later arcs (Sanji speed blitzed Don Krieg’s men, Zoro blitzed the Bounty Hunters at Whisky Peak, Luffy moved faster than the White Beret could see on Angel Island). So the upper Straw Hats following the East Blue are at least as fast as Kuro if not faster, yet early on Luffy could get blitzed by Blueno.
“Sea Prism stone nerfs Haki”
Where is this stated or demonstrated? The best I can guess is that strong Haki users like Doffy or Big Mom were never shown using their haki, but it could just be that Sea Prism is too durable for even their Haki to break, as opposed to it actively nerfing their Haki.
“Katakuri was one punch away from beating/ending Luffy”
All we saw of Kat at the very end was that he had the strength to stand up, and nothing else. He didn’t even have his arms raised as if he could have continued the fight, they were pretty much by his sides the entire time until he sprawled back.
A lot of people like to say that Luffy’s victory was entirely based on his will vs his power, and while he definitely showed a lot of will in being able to fight through being punched so much, he factually matched/overwhelmed Kat in much fewer hits given.
Generally speaking I think a lot of people tend to overrate Kat’s advantages over Luffy; even in the earliest parts of the fight Luffy was never far behind Kat in stats like striking power or speed, Kat just had the versatile combo of better precog and a fruit that could make way more limbs to land way more hits on Luffy while evading most everything Luffy threw his way.
Hey, I'm sorry that it took so long to get to this comment. We've been so busy with technical stuff related to our newest release, that I've been behind on this. So? I'll just get straight to it.
1.) Peros Vs Jack.
This is a very weird disagreement to me, but? I'll try to explain my thoughts.
In terms of feats? Peros beat two sulong minks (definitively, didn't lose.)
Although, he did receive noticeable injuries with the face cuts- and the attacks he later tanks from Neko.
Where as Jack went to the roof, fought a few more minks- and then got basically one shot but Inu & Neko.
Kaido did literally have to intervene after Jack lost one of his Tusks.
It's also important to note that Zoan > Paramecia in terms of durability? So trying to compare their physical resilience will obviously lean in Jack's favor.
As for the prime condition scabbard? An injured and exhausted peros was about to kill an injured & exhausted base Neko. Just like Jack, was injured and exhausted- but about to take down Inu.
IMO? The biggest thing here- is that? It doesn't really matter for scaling- if you think they are all above him or not.
As the point- is to show, that even fodder Big Mom pirates (not commanders) are put in the same conversations as people like Jack, and the Scabbards. So? Even Saying Peros < Inu/Cat < Jack < Sulong Inu Cat. Where does Cracker fit? Smoothie? And... Obviously, the main man himself, who is even stronger.
2.) Izo Vs CP-0.
This is another weird one. As? The whole point- is to show that Izo was able to 2v1 a group of CP-0 agents. Where as even one CP-0 agent, could match- and box with Drake + Apoo. This in itself- implies Izo is above Drake and the Tobiroppo. Which? Is all supporting evidence- to say Katakuri- who massively upscaled from Peros (and by proxy the injured scabbards) could easily slam all the Tobiroppo (as Jack's statement suggested.)
3.) Kuri Luffy Vs Kaido.
I understand the confusion here, and I should've made it more clear. Luffy never landed his King Kong Gun in the manga version of this fight, because it ended so quickly. The "protection" I was referring to- is Luffy being one shot by the Kanabo before he really got to go all out in the Manga. The point here, was purely to show that we had no good analog for Red Roc, in Gear 4. But? As you yourself did say- we see Luffy being able to effect Kaido (both in base, and with his Kong Organ gun) earlier in the fight. IMO? The Manga does portray this G4 Luffy to be in a similar (not very effective) league, to Base Roof Luffy- considering that Luffy himself says G4 + Ryou still wasn't damaging Kaido. (implying that Ryou by itself, was equally as ineffective as the old G4.)
4a.) Big Mom Vs Luffy.
This is one where I just disagree- I think it's far less logically consistent to suggest that Big Mom would use armament hardening when she didn't need to (considering all the times she hasn't used it) and the fact that she's known for her durable skin. Udon Luffy also isn't above his old G4 self in base (which is the form Big Mom overpowered.)
4b.) Luffy Did not surpass G4 against Katakuri.
This is a take, that I don't like or agree with in the power scaling community. It's as easy to debunk- as saying? Luffy couldn't beat Katakuri with G4 at the start of the fight, and Luffy still couldn't beat Katakuri with it- at the end of the fight. Just because Luffy started handling certain attacks a little better after seeing them- doesn't suddenly mean he got a G4 jump stronger- which is backed up with Katakuri blitzing snakeman at the end of their fight, and taking Luffy down with buzzcut mochi. (which? If Katakuri was this much stronger than Luffy at the start of their fight, he would've ended it with his first punch on base Luffy. Which really just doesn't line up. Luffy speed picked up, by strength- I view, as pretty unlikely.
5.) Kuro Vs One Piece.
This is all just to say, that with how Oda writes characters- he intends for some not to be power crept. Luffy got blitzed by Kuro, and then later- blitzed by Blueno. Power scaling might suggest the feats don't correlate, but Oda disagrees. So? IMO. Katakuri scaling being a bit looser than other characters- is perfectly fine, that's all I'm pointing to here.
6.) Sea prism Vs Haki.
Sea Prism stone drains stamina, and highly fatigues a Devil fruit user. It doesn't drain Haki exactly, but clearly makes the process of using it much more difficult (as Luffy never uses, or attempts to use it with the cuffs on.) And Queen actively removes them in Udon for Luffy, to make his execution more exciting. So? It's up to interpretation, but does seem to be backed up by the story to me.
7.) Finale of Kat Vs Luffy.
This is just a misreading, of what the end of the fight represents narratively. The reason why Katakuri can do all of Luffy's moves, Why he constantly says he's better than Luffy, and why the fight takes place in the mirror world. Is because Katakuri's undefeatable status is meant to parallel Luffy and his willpower. The man who has never touched the ground, vs The Man who always gets back up. It's literally why Luffy gets back up at the end of the fight- and why Katakuri? Finally drops down.
Does this mean Luffy was stronger by any metric? No, he got physically over powered, and didn't even have Haki at this point. Even ignoring Katakuri's more busted kit. If he wanted to throw one more punch? The fight would be over (and considering he still had the energy to ask Luffy questions- and actively decide if he would fall or not) he likely had the energy to throw at least one more finishing blow. But? Since this was not the point of the fight- Luffy won the battle of wills.
As for your final thoughts? Kat just blatantly had better future sight- could evade snakeman (and over power it.) While handling the same exact 10+ Hour marathon fight that Luffy did, with similar stab injuries. I agree that Luffy wasn't ever physically too far behind- but? People seem to underrate both of their AP stats, even disregarding the fact- that Katakuri's arsenal/skill just made him, as superior Luffy.
These are just my thoughts though, thanks for the super well thought out comment, and I hope this answered your questions!
Appreciate you making time for this, though I completely understand more important stuff going on elsewhere.
“Peros beat two sulong minks (definitively, didn't lose.)”
Peros beat them once they lost their Sulong, as he states in chapter 1006 (he states the weather wasn’t in their favor, and notably even says the fight was a close call).
It’s also worth noting from Carrot’s first use of Sulong in Whole Cake that once she came out of it she was exhausted and needed to sleep, so I imagine that added exhaustion would be a factor in Peros overcoming an already injured base Neko, considering that the latter had started using Sulong before losing it later.
“Even Saying Peros < Inu/Cat < Jack < Sulong Inu Cat. Where does Cracker fit? Smoothie? And... Obviously, the main man himself, who is even stronger.”
It’s hard to say as none of them have any showings against a Beast Pirate or a Scabbard. Maybe Kat could be strong enough to take on any of the Scabbards 1v1, but we can’t definitively say for certain.
“The Manga does portray this G4 Luffy to be in a similar (not very effective) league, to Base Roof Luffy- considering that Luffy himself says G4 + Ryou still wasn't damaging Kaido. (implying that Ryou by itself, was equally as ineffective as the old G4.)”
I don’t think I would say it’s “equally” as ineffective as before. Kaido was visibly shocked by Luffy’s power with Red Roc and noted in his head that the attack did actually do some damage; this is in contrast to Kuri where even after taking multiple hits from G4 Kaido was no worse for wear and visibly disappointed/annoyed at Luffy’s weakness.
Luffy saying his blows are “too shallow” or “still aren’t it” don’t really mean he wasn’t damaging Kaido at all, just that it wasn’t damaging him to a satisfactory degree.
“I think it's far less logically consistent to suggest that Big Mom would use armament hardening when she didn't need to (considering all the times she hasn't used it) and the fact that she's known for her durable skin.”
I mean, Big Mom also used Conquerors Coating when she one-shot Page One, something she never did against Queen. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility for her to go overboard with her use of Haki.
It’s also worth noting in the cases of Jinbe and Queen, she wasn’t in her normal state of mind in those instances (she had her hunger pangs for wedding cake against Jinbe, and she had lost her memories before her fight with Queen). It was shown that she retained some of her mental faculties while in her hunger pains, so maybe she could have used Haki if she needed to (and I don’t see any scaling issue with G4 being stronger than Jinbe), but it’s doubtful that she could use Haki as Olin, given that she doesn’t seem to remember that she has it.
“Luffy couldn't beat Katakuri with G4 at the start of the fight, and Luffy still couldn't beat Katakuri with it- at the end of the fight.”
Except he did? At least at the end of the fight I mean. While Kat was impressive in that he was able to hang with Snakeman Luffy and mutually knock him out, he himself was still rendered unconscious from taking hits from Snakeman.
“Just because Luffy started handling certain attacks a little better after seeing them- doesn't suddenly mean he got a G4 jump stronger”
The attacks in question (those being the Peerless Donuts) were shown to damage Boundman Luffy, Luffy’s strongest form up to this point. If it was only a moderate amp in strength/durability this wouldn’t mean anything, but from everything we’ve seen before there is a huge difference in power between base Luffy and G4 (ie, Doffy could toy with base/G2 Luffy but couldn’t even superficially damage G4 Luffy with those same kicks). So for base Luffy to later take on those same Peerless Donuts and not get instantly knocked out, he’d at least need durability on par with his previous Boundman (and for him to clash fists with the Donuts his AP likely went up as well).
“which is backed up with Katakuri blitzing snakeman at the end of their fight, and taking Luffy down with buzzcut mochi”
Kat only ever blitzed Snakeman once in their final encounter ( the first time he turns into a literal donut); after that Luffy was able to keep up with Kat for the rest of the fight (even in the instance where Kat was closing the distance during Luffy’s Black Mamba he was having to narrowly evade Luffy’s punches).
“which? If Katakuri was this much stronger than Luffy at the start of their fight, he would've ended it with his first punch on base Luffy. Which really just doesn't line up. Luffy speed picked up, by strength- I view, as pretty unlikely.”
Best interpretation I take with this is that Kat, like Luffy, was experiencing Haki Bloom to go from just keeping ahead of base Luffy to narrowly matching Snakeman Luffy. Even if it’s never explicitly explained like this I think this is reasonable to assume, especially since Haki bloom isn’t exclusive to the protagonist.
“It doesn't drain Haki exactly, but clearly makes the process of using it much more difficult”
This does seem consistent with what was shown on Fishman Island (ie, Luffy using his Elephant Gun but noting that the sea was sapping his strength), so I’ll say that follows logically.
“Does this mean Luffy was stronger by any metric? No, he got physically over powered, and didn't even have Haki at this point.”
The only instance I can recall Snakeman Luffy being “overpowered” was the first instance of him being hit by Buzz Cut Mochi, maybe even the instance where Kat knees Luffy’s face. Aside from that, Snakeman was never overpowered in the sense of being pushed back (he was in pain from matching the Block Mochi but was never pushed back, just like before), and he even had his own instances of overpowering Kat (ie, the first couple instances of him pushing Kat around with Python despite the latter keeping his guard up).
Also I don’t know what basis there is for assuming Luffy doesn’t have Haki in this moment. Luffy and Kat land their final attacks at 12:37, and Luffy regains consciousness at 12:47, ten minutes after using G4. So if push came to shove he may have been able to draw on his haki again.
“Even ignoring Katakuri's more busted kit. If he wanted to throw one more punch? The fight would be over (and considering he still had the energy to ask Luffy questions- and actively decide if he would fall or not) he likely had the energy to throw at least one more finishing blow.”
I’m still doubtful about Kat having the energy to throw a punch (being able to briefly question someone doesn’t mean they have the strength to raise their arm up), but if we are to take Kat being able to stand to mean that he could throw one more punch then I don’t see why Luffy wouldn’t be able to defend and/or evade. He was conscious before Kat was, had enough strength to pull himself out of a deep pit, and after Kat fell back Luffy was able to walk to him then away from him, there’s just more going for him having something in the tank.
“Kat just blatantly had better future sight- could evade snakeman (and over power it.)”
Agree with the future sight point, partially agree with him evading Snakeman (as there were still moments of him getting tagged by it).
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I think he is stronger than king.
He is
King is overrated
King could not Damage Or stop raid suit sanji
In a Cover page
Katakuri Neg diffed Ichigi
(Raid suit + Modified body)
Marco made king bleed
In fire mode(defence mode)
Zoro who has trash Observation could track and follow Kings Speed form
Katakuri has awakened a Special paramecia has superior Skill in multiple fighting styles
A unknown Graded blade
He has Adv. Observation
Unique Armament haki
And Potentially Adv. Conquers haki
( Katakuri performed what Yonko and Luffy right before he unlocks Acoc...his Conquers haki physically crushed and Interacted with the surroundings)
His portrayal is insane he is basically the next Wb
Meanwhile king has a Tough body
Fire
Flight
And Zoan buffs
He can use but is not even Adequate with Observation and Armament haki
He has A sword but no mastery of it
On paper Katakuri destroys king
In reality katakuri destroys king
Katakuri is our goat
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You are already wrong, about what Jack was talking about. True he said the flying six wouldn't be able to match with the scabbards but cat viper was in sulong form with them. Jack LITERALLY beat the cat and the dog in their base forms for five days and nights.smh
Also you said 🤓 "I'm gonna go through everything" and you preceded not to you didn't mention ulti tanking yonko level attacks. Katakuri was scared of a nerfed big mom😂😂😂. Luffy still said her power was too great in the panel you are trying to hide at the side and needed gear 4. It wasn't because he needed to handle things quickly.
True nami and ussop tank ulti attack but there is nothing disproving that they didn't get stronger.
And the narrative aspect🙄, you clearly have nothing. You did nothing for this video nor bring anything new.
Weaker than ulti 🤡🤓☝️
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In the fact katakuri could overpowered Luffy's g3 that could beat an continental level attack at dressrosa and the one piece earth is too big over the half of the sun luffy was not even weak at this momment even with a simple trident attack katakuri could easly beat a Elephant gatling
Katakuri was over in strengh he could overpowered G3 with his own strengh even the bounce man he could clash with his power mochi Who is based on the use of his strength
Speed katakuri was clearly faster than luffy he was easly faster than luffy G2 and speedblitzed luffy's G4 snake man too many time
Durability ngl the only attack that hurted katakuri was close kong or leo gun that katakuri could tank with out touch the ground and the only attack Who determined the outcome of the fight was the trident blow he used himself, Luffy could barely make him bleed with his brute force
Stamina he fighted for multiple hour And continue with half of the abdomen torn off and even at the end he could do this reading.
Endurance Katakuri continued the fight while seriously injured yes just like Luffy but behind it was the perfect place for Luffy each attack of his snake man only accelerated from second to second Even Luffy will say it himself that he will use the walls to be able to intensify the power of these attacks (Kizaru will say to accelerate it is gained in power) therefore the very concept of Luffy's snake man And now even with All this only the blows which will have been effective on kat All this only the blows which will have been effective on katakuri were those on his wound the same for the king cobra which had taken the maximum fat speed to the mirror dimension katakuri aura Could stay standing and even this reading for a moment
Now on several occasions kaido aura was compared to katakuri during his fight with luffy exemp Now on several occasions kaido aura was compared to katakuri during his fight with luffy example when kaido will be really angry We could see a huge layer of red haki with lightning Explainable by several one piece characters who will say that you can feel or even visualize the desire of your opponent just with the haki of observation, the same for katakuri qui laissera émané une aura violette remplie de rage
And little Detail when katakuri Will use his haki to bypass Luffy Snake Man's ee blow, we could have had frame impacts on his oe The same as with kaido before taking the kaminar
Now we can even suppose that katakuri could have killed luffy at too many time He simply gave him a chance to escape, even being happy to know that he had fled and his sister would understand what Katakuri had done.
So yes katakuri is clearly underrated he just showed way better feat than the most of yc1 in term of strengh pure reflex endurance stamni Ap haki offens DC
For me katakuri> zoro extrem diff
Katakuri would take strengh speed fight speed attack Durability stamina AP and offense haki Obs haki conq haki arm
Zoro would take strike strengh
Speed déplacement DC Deffense endurance haki conq haki arm
Idk katakuri is just too underrated for nothing when it's an admiral or Zoro they finds all the excuses in the world, even the most ridiculous ones, but for katakuri they dont even try to understand
And yes you are right to take elements from the film and if we tell you that you cannot take it into account, I am referring to the famous meteor that Mihawk sprayed And also Oda to start working on each Filmed from strong world
“Katakuri was over in strengh he could overpowered G3 with his own strengh”
This was the only instance aside from the prior gattling clash where Kat blatantly overpowered Luffy in a clash of fist, and unfortunately for Kat both were pretty circumstantial. In the Elaphant Gun clash Kat had a solid foothold on the ground whereas Luffy was doing his punch from middair, meaning he had less means to push forward than Kat did.
If there were other instances like this where Kat consistently pushed Luffy back while both had equal footing then I’d get the argument for Kat being much stronger than Luffy, but in most every instance Luffy was shown to have comparable/equal striking power to Kat (his Red Hawk clashed evenly with Kat on the Sunny, his Hawk Gattling could actually match Kat’s fists in striking power with Luffy only being overwhelmed from Kat producing more limbs, base Luffy could match Kat’s Block Mochi, not giving any ground despite how painful it was, G3 Luffy later matched a punch with a Peerless Donut, the later still base Luffy could block punches from the Peerless Donut).
“even the bounce man he could clash with his power mochi”
Assuming you’re referring to Block Mochi, Bounceman Luffy actually blatantly overpowered Kat while the latter tried blocking with his arms.
“Speed katakuri was clearly faster than luffy he was easly faster than luffy G2 and speedblitzed luffy's G4 snake man too many time”
In both cases Kat only ever speed blitzed G2 and Snakeman one time each.
In the instance with G2 Kat blitzing Luffy is down more to his proficiency with Future Sight rather than just his raw speed. This is made apps in later instances where while he was still getting tagged several times, base Luffy was also narrowly fast enough to dodge several of Kat’s attacks, in one instance he even dodged Kat’s trident after he had redirected it with future sight.
With Snakeman he did legitimately blitz Luffy once, but this was only when he rolled straight at him in donut form. Other than that Kat never had any other feats of moving faster than Snakeman could see/perceive. He landed plenty of hits on Snakeman, true, but the exchange made it apparent that their speed was roughly equal by this point.
“Durability ngl the only attack that hurted katakuri was close kong or leo gun that katakuri could tank with out touch the ground”
Unguarded by Block Mochi Kat was already bleeding from a regular kick from Luffy, and as Luffy further closed the gap in Future Sight he was able to land more hits on Kat in base that were further injuring him.
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bro what
What the fuck is bro even yapping about?