Future unclear for Dali and its crew after bridge collapse
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- They are inside the ship that's been plastered on television screens across the globe for weeks on end. But none of us have seen or heard from them.
As massive cranes lifted pieces of the Key Bridge out of the Patapsco River around them, as divers searched the debris-filled waters for bodies below them, and even as explosive charges detonated, breaking apart millions of pounds of steel right above them, the 21-man crew has remained on board the Dali.
Their only face-to-face interactions have been with investigators and salvage crews.
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"Everybody thought the ship was ready to leave." Absolutely no pressure to say "all systems go" and hurry up and leave.
Just like airlines, and passengers.
How dare that bridge fall on this ship.
life on board must have been grim
OMG! The crew of a ship not being able to go ashore for days at a time. It's almost as if they were out of sight of land.
Shore pass is not issued by the USCG, its Customs.
If the USCG says no it is no.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky Wrong, CBP issued the detained form basis all parties agreeing to the action.
@@vincentmonica2389 The USCG said no.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky wrong, if it was anybody it was the DOJ, but nice try anyway
@@vincentmonica2389 On Coast Guard recommendation alone, they do not work in a vacuum, sir.
The ever given , which blocked the suez canal ,was only allowed to go on after extensive payments to the canal authorities. Usa has to do the same in this case.
The "ever given" did little damage to the canal.
They may as well load them on a plane with one way tickets to anywhere. That ship will NEVER travel out of Baltimore under their control.
They're still part of a criminal investigation and are still under contract with their employer.
They are all incompetent? Even the cook?
I heard that the Dali collided into the key bridge which caused the bridge to collapse, your thumb nail should indicate there was a collision which caused the collapse
You been living in the dark?
It was not a collision, it was allision.
Of-course they knew something was wrong. The thought process is, if it works, they'll get away with it. The NTSB report clearly said that the crew closed an inline engine damper earlier. Why is everyone in a hurry to get them out? Let the investigation continue.
The history of this ship is truly surreal.
It has had prior significant issues?
@AlbertHess-xy7ky I read somewhere apparently it did have some sort of incident in a port in Europe a while back.
@@brianbarbarich1401 A very minor concerns.
Ship that hit Baltimore bridge also involved in 2016 Antwerp accident
By Reuters
March 26, 20249:40 PM GMT+2Updated
March 26 (Reuters) - The ship that caused the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore on Tuesday was also involved in an accident in the port of Antwerp, Belgium, in 2016.
The Antwerp port authorities said the container ship Dali hit a quay on July 11, 2016, as it tried to exit the North Sea container terminal.
A 2016 inspection of the vessel conducted in Antwerp found it had a structural issue, which was stated as “hull damage impairing its seaworthiness," according to data published on Equasis, a public database for the shipping industry.
The port authorities said the ship had remained at the dock for repairs for some time after the incident.
"As a general rule, these accidents are investigated and ships are only allowed to leave after experts have determined it is safe for them to do so," a spokesperson for Antwerp port told Reuters.
The Belgian nautical committee, which investigates such incidents, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. A spokesperson representing the ship's owner could not immediately be reached.
@AlbertHess-xy7ky see above report from Reuters. Some damage done to ship.
She's run aground too... Could rip open when they pull it back.... ???
I think I read there was a gas pipe line under it. It needs to be floated off, not dragged?
The Port of Baltimore must also share some if not most of the responsibility for the disaster since they failed to install adequate protection dolphins to protect the bridge - and especially this type of bridge structure - after thee 1960s report by the NTSB to all ports concerning the risk of damage by ships or like New York and other ports insist large ships be tethered to tugs on entering and leaving port. The owners of Dali can point to the recent failure of another ship's power system when leaving New York with no adverse consequences due to the presence of tugs. This is also a requirement in major European ports so the risks are well known in the shipping industry.
How much will that cost?
Wait! They need special permission to travel in the US? No Way.
They came here legally.
@@phlodel and need to leave legally
They are overseas contractors with special visa's, they can be here in the boat but can't actually touch the soil.
@@DrCranberry Nice way to miss the point. +10
Its a paperwork issue.
Everyone worried about the crew that are “stuck” on the MV Dali need to remember that as a part of their normal work contract with the shipping company that employees them that except in rare cases the crew does not leave the ship and their contract lengths are normally 6 months to a year or more. In other words this story is much to do about nothing
No, and some systems may not function, their work schedule is disrupted, and they are subject to stress that is not part of usual working at sea.
Yeah it's annoying to me that the news has jumped on this recently. Why the hell would anybody expect the crew to not be on the ship? That's where they live.
@@liam3284 Exactly what systems would not be functioning? Do you know anything about these ships?
The ship’s owners are responsible for directing the actions of the crew. The ship’s owners are directly responsible for the actions leading up to this disaster. The crew was just following orders, and as such they are not guilty. The owners owe a debt to this country for affecting our economy. These are facts.
The crew including the Captain and the Pilot. are responsible for the operation of the vessel. The entire crew owes a debt to this country for affecting our economy. These are facts.
This country has established procedures and oversight to prevent ships from destroying bridges by accident. If the procedures are not sufficient, this country should improve the procedures and the oversight instead of blaming the ship for having an accident.
@@eljanrimsa5843 How much will that cost? How should the bridge be rebuilt?
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky I guess there are two options: For new bridges, surround the structural elements of the bridge with higher ground, so that big ships will run aground before they can do catastrophic damage. For existing bridges, provide enough tugboats and require big ships to remain under tow until the last vulnerable bridge is cleared.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky You really can't see how the captain is fundamentally different than the rest of the crew?
The crew will need counselling and extensive shore leave after this lengthy ordeal. Feel sorry for them.
How about feeling sorry for the people that died, wasn't an Accident
The investigation could take years.
Why they take their phone away , is there something they don’t want them to say ?
Probably
who said that the crew is responsible? Investigate first and determine cause of power failures..!
Seven weeks and they still haven't copied all the information from the crew's phones and return them? This level of incompetence ( or really institutionalized indifference) is mind blowing.
The Democrats are in charge,,,what do you expect???
The level of incompetence in ramming a bridge with your ship should be of a higher worry, yes?
Where's the news?
I was marveled by that woman`s hips
@@mrcoz1764Yay boy!
Hello Elizabeth worthington from Sullivan county Pa
It has 2 bridges now
They should be detained until the investigation clears them of any wrongdoing.
Is that how should go down if a US ship is involved in an incident in Mexico?
They have to get a Visa and permission!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great reporting, by people who have zero idea of how international maritime crewing actuallly works
Singapore owes us
No big deal, The American taxpayers will foot the bill when all is said and done.
This ship was under charter to largest containership company in the world.
Denmark owes us.
They don't want to talk about it because the old saying is LOOSE LIPS SINKS SHIPS 🤔🤨👉🤯
I think this ship seen the last of it's days. I do not think the owners are goign to want to put in all the extra money to repair the ship's structure damage plus mechanical failures after this. The owners taking it out and sinking it after everyone has done all their investigations might just be the best option. I don't think anyone would even buy that to repair it after it's reputation.
Ridiculous
Couldn't the crew's home country of India send a ship to come and collect them then if needed for investigation dock here? That way they have more comfortable living situation anyway then a damaged ship with all that is going on with it. That is not their ship and they were not even the one's piloting it.
The ship has crew from many countries. It is not an Indian vessel. The ship must be crewed until it is along side a pier. They may not abandon ship.
I think the untold story here is that the clearance operations go a lot smoother with an experienced crew on the ship who can switch on power when necessary. The ship may also float again at an, due to tides and weather, not entirely predictable point in time. Since a ship of this size may do a lot of damage when drifting, you'd want to stay the crew on all the time. And since there is no way you could force an American crew to stay on a damaged ship 24/7, it's quite convenient that it's just some Indians who are not allowed to leave the ship without visa.
@@eljanrimsa5843that ship will be recycled steel after the investigation
Singapore and India are 2 different countries.
@@PassionofDance212 The flag and citizenship of the crew are boring. The ship is operated by biggest container company in the world.
yeah the FBI would not be finding my cell phone
Your company will be firing you for not turning it over. You may arrested for concealing evidence. Or holding on to state secrets. Trump 2024...
WOW ,Elizabith Worthington , still doing a great job , miss you NE PA (WNEP)
The real criminals are the engineers who built that glass bridge
Most all all ships and airliners built in the last decade have glass bridges/cockpits?
Are naval and aerospace engineers criminals?
Do you base your opinion on your PhD, Master, Undergraduate, High School degrees or your GED?
Trump 2024. Trump Forever.
The ship needs to be crewed in order to carry our routine maintenance & safety checks. Crews sign up for a trip & can be away for months.
Hi Elizabeth, unfortunately before the crew of the Dali is able to leave the ship the same has to be first salvaged, meaning it has to be towed away from the spot where is sitting right now. We have to remember the M/V Dali, after hitting the bridge, ran aground, and is currently stucked in the sand under water on the edge on the main channel, and that operation may take some additional time, perhaps a couple of more weeks to be completed. We just have to be patient, that operation is far more complicated than what the general public think it is. I have extensive training in marine operations with vessels of up to 180.000 DWT, which is as much as twice the M/V Dali 90.000 DWT, I know what I am talking about, bst rgs
The Port of Baltimore must carry a good part of the blame for this disaster for not installing adequate protective dolphins around the bridge foundations. This was a predictable collision.
"Adequate" protective dolphins would cost as much as the bridge, There are are least 100 other bridges in this country with the same exposure to vessels not under command. Who will pay for the upgrade. There is no free lunch today .
no it was built to the spec of 1972 and this was a planned collision
@@jeffreymiller6847 Time to upgrade your tinfoil hat.
It is always like this, authorities know of disaster looming but do nothing about it until it is too late.
@@RicardoMartinez-oh9sq We have at least 100 similar bridge/channel situations. What should be done? How much will it cost?
Should this bridge be replaced?
appears the crew is kind of under arrest and in additon hindered to execute basic human rights. I wonder what the guilt of the simple seaman is to be treated like this.
“They can’t do any online banking. They can’t pay their bills at home. They don’t have any of their data or anyone’s contact information, so they’re really isolated right now,”
It was to be expected: America sees them as illegal migrants.
Does MTG keep an eye on them? Blaring through a bullhorn: "You smell of illegality! You suck up our social security! Go baaaaack to where you came from!"
This way she hopes to be re-instituted as Queen of the House again, I guess.
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What human rights are they being denied? They have everything they need on board the ship.
Well maybe they shouldn't have rammed a bridge & killed a buncha people?
How about some sympathy for those construction workers who lost their lives & their families have received nothing.
@@appleintosh
The upload points at the problem that their salaries are frozen so they cannot send money to their families at home. It's not fair to brand them as illegal migrant criminals. If one is responsible for the crash, it's the captain.
@@willemvandeursen3105 Where is it being said that they’re not being paid?
It seems to me that the crew is being imprisoned without charges being filed.
FBI harassing the crew. The officers of the crew might (and note I said "might") be liable for things that happend, but the mere seamen and machine workers are not.
The FBI usually doesn't pull people out of their homes during investigations. The ship is their home, therefore they're still on the ship.
@@appleintosh The ship is not their home,the ship is their workplace. Their home is where their family is.
@@boataxe4605 They live on the ship for months or even years at a time. It is, in every sense of the word, their home.
@@appleintosh They don’t live on it for years, and many do have homes and wives and children. I know that they legally can’t step onto US soil (not as if that has stopped anyone) but one would think that the non officers could be taken off of the ship,bussed directly to the airport,and sent home.
Bring on Elizabeth!
How are they going to get home? Uber of the Seas
The F.B.I jurisdiction ended the moment the Coast Guard was on scene; The transport secretary rides Shotgun after the Coast Guard summits its Report to the Attorney General’s office, for the international court be given charges submitted from the Constitutional government of America, if it intends on pursuing court action of death and damages in line with shipping treaty’s of the Vessel its crew of Home port.
Until criminality has been ruled out it is under FBI jurisdiction. 'international court' , 'Shotgun', 'Constitutional government of America', 'with shipping treaty’s of the Vessel its crew of Home port" - ignorant blather.
The F.B.I. is the lead investigative agency of the U.S. They are totally involved in figuring this out. A "fly team" of elite agents will oversee this incident.
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Babbling talking heads. Grrr. I'd forgotten how much I hate commercial TV news.
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Giving them SIM cards without data allowance, that’s low
They probably have starlink internet on the ship. Remember that they're usually in the middle of the ocean. They wouldn't be relying on cellular data.
The person of real interest here are the pilot (and I understand, a deputy pilot). Very little, if any, about the pilot(s) has been reported. Was he
interviewed, undergo drug testing? How soon after accident did he disembark?
His name, immediate last assignment? experience, etc?
C'mon, Balto media -- start asking questions!
Don't worry about their phones. Be thankful they aren't in prison. What are you the phone priest?
American Harbor authorities in futures should not have ships to enter in America port without proper insurance!
This has not been news across the globe for weeks on end 😄
It's down to the skipper and chief engineer
The ship captain should be held accountable. He knew the ship was having trouble, but he took it out anyways.
Wasn't a pilot at the helm?
@@peterfreeland7643 I would think the pilot doesn't have in depth knowledge of the ship's condition. Ships are supposed to be in seaworthy condition when the pilot takes over.
Head Pilot and second Pilot@@peterfreeland7643
He knew the ship had had Problems. Do you know if the ship had problems when it departed?
@@peterfreeland7643 Pilots never take the helm .
Cap[tians never take the helm, except in extremis.
If all federally mandated laws, safety regulations and protocol were followed the bridge and it's workers would still be here. Whoever greenlighted the Dali as seaworthy has blood on his hands. Whoever was in command of this vessel has blood on his hands as well. Many reasonable questions are so far unanswered. Let's see how the NTSB report due out any day puts a spin on it.
Yes, of course. This is MY post. With no permission or acknowledgement?
@@user-co7fb6qe5w
You have credit for the post.
It was excellent and should be broadcast.
BTW, you post anonymously so what should be the process?
@@alanstevens1296 I'm sorry for the mis communication. I don't mind if you share it I just would like to be acknowledged
I don't know how to post/label my name. Perhaps you could assist me?
I didn't just go off the handle and spew any unfounded nonsense
I researched thoroughly but most of my factual sources were scrubbed within 24 hours.( what does that tell you?) I had multiple and respected reports, videos and confirming data. I'm not some kind of conspiracy theorist but I've been lied to from our government many times before. Whenever they avoid the obvious and emphasize the unwarranted or irrelevant info I immediately smell deception/ deflection. I understand nobody wants to claim responsibility for such a catastrophic ( yet 100 % preventable) in incident. It offends me when we are treated as inconsequential sheeples.
Bottom line this incident was caused by negligence in a number of different levels. So sad that people still choose profit over mandated safety guidelines, regulations and protocol.
Some of the facts are now starting to trickle out. Time will tell if they are going to spin the story or provide hard, factual and honest facts. I'm Dan Holmes, nice to know someone else is seeking the truth.
@@user-co7fb6qe5w
As a former highway engineer I am outraged for other reasons.
Like all the focus by some officials on why the bridge fell down rather than focusing on the why this monster ship was out of control in a crowded harbor.
@@alanstevens1296 As highway engineer you should be aware that this ship is not a monster. Much bigger ships use this channel.
The ship had an engine failure, they are quite rare.
Trucks knock down bridges, fairly often, fix that.
This is insane, why are they still on the ship. Jesus Christ
Where is the outrage by the US tax payers that will have to foot the bill to replace the bridge?
@@jdgo3483 huh
@@jdgo3483 Would you rather we wait 10 years for all the court battles to settle before starting any of the work to clean up?
@@jdgo3483as an American that bridge better be rebuilt for my countrymen in Baltimore
Meantime, our southern borders remain open and those crossing are free, and given special benefits.
This is it ....this is the comment I was looking for 🔍👁😊
Meantime....gooder English.
Do they free Koolaid at the border too😂😂😂
The mooron types, poorly.
How much has that cost you?
These ports are not made to handle for bigger ships , these ports were built in 1900
Maybe they'll just blend in the U.S. know one will ever know
Visa! We don't need no stinkin visa lol
The janitor called and is looking for his black mop head....
they are locked up on that ship to keep them from talking its a coverup
Covering up for what exactly?
If these people were American, will these treatments be allowed to go on?
It was no accident
I hope they imprison all those who knew the Dali was having
electrical problems, but sent it off anyway.
Is almost clear that there was a problem, but greedy owners didnt care.
the ship ca not be repaired Too much hull damage.
It can be fixed.
The ship absolutely will be repaired. They'll put a whole new bow section on if needed. It's been done before.
*You own nothing and are happy!*
Why do we have a priest as the spokesperson? Weird.
What's weird is thinking that a priest wouldn’t be involved in relief efforts.
@@DocNo27 He's from The Mission to Seafarers, remember the sign?
@@williamhunter1967 stupid autocorrect - I fixed it.
He’s part of an organization that assists crews
Bottom line- seafarers will suffer, who cares for them
just...let them off the boat, its simple lmao wtf is this.
Why. Where would they go. They have no family in the US. The crew is still needed to operate the things on the boat.
Just like the Hawaii fires, keep it all quiet and dont let anyone talk to anyone. Nothing to see here. Guess i must be a tin foil hat guy lol
I suspect the FBI isn’t investigating the crash but items discovered among the cargo.
With the Epstein Island port temporarily closed, shipping children around the world is becoming increasingly difficult.
Go home no make money miss.
Treat crew with respect as humans.
They could be terrorist.
They need to be brought to jail and go to prison
Seafarer on the ship must have phones with SIM cards to communicate with family you can’t confiscate private phones from crews.
They got replacement phones, just not with their own personal SIM cards. They still have working phones with working SIM cards. It's 100% normal to confiscate personal electronics during criminal investigations.
If they had knocked the border wall down, they would get new phones, immunity from all of our laws, drivers licenses, an apartment, and money. And a lesson on voting in November!
Today's unsolicited fun fact: Francis Scott Key who wrote our National Anthem was a powerful Attorney General who attacked Abolitionists and gave legal support to slave owners to recapture their run-aways. When he died, he still owned 8 slaves. "Over the land of the freeeeeeee, and the ....." Oh, never mind lol!!!
this is just another example of how US discriminates foreign crewmembers. I have myself seen if several times during my years at sea. Confiscating the phones is something like a dictator state would do and its shameful from the US authorities to do so.
Confiscating personal electronics during criminal investigations is 100% normal and is done all the time, even to US citizens.
The "Cover-up" continues but now, in plain sight. There are only a small handful of people that were in charge of this catastrophe that need to be held responsible for this Criminal Action.. The DECKHANDS ... Get them out of the Country.. The people in CHARGE ... That even includes the Harbour Master(s) and Pilot(s) ... They need to be Charged and Held for their Criminal Responsibilities.. WE ALL KNOW who is gonna PAY for THIS .. for the rest of their lives..
These people were part of the wreck that took down a bridge and 6 lives were lost , stop worrying about the friggen crew , most have been on a ship longer , and It’s been long enough since your firecracker show , get back to work , dang ! Delay is yaws special word now ! With all that equipment a lot of chit should be coming up but it’s not , union job I’m guessing !
Millions of pounds of steel wow you americans sure can exagerate, every day the old bridge gets heavier and heavier, accordian to you guys
They play a different tune every day. Of course, that’s what an accordion is for. 🎶🎶
Steel gets heavier when it soaks up water, don't you know.
Its not "You Americans" its our Gov and Lying news media
The FBI should be defunded NOW.
The ship should be repaired and sold at auction. The crew should all be put in jail for a month to reflect on their incompetence and culpability in this horrible disaster. They are NOT innocent.
LOOK ' THE SUPPORT COLLOM WAS NOT SUFISFION TO STOP A SHIP OF THIS SIZE SO PART OF THE BLAME SHOULD BE ON THE DESIGN OF THE BARRIERS AROUND THE BRIDG
YOUR CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON
Sufisfion.
When the bridge was designed and built, the designers had no way to know that ships would get so big and so heavy in the years that followed!
@@iankravitz5723 So they couldn't have built dolfins to protect the bridge in the years since the bridge was built, have they not heard of the Sunshine Skyway Bridge?
There is some truth in that mark1941me.
WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO PLAY THAT LOOP SHOWING THOSE POOR MEN DYING OVER AND OVER!!!!!!STOP IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s disgraceful the way the grubby authorities have treated the crew!🤮
This is beyond ridiculous, 7 weeks at sea.
the ship will not be able to go anywhere soon, it needs extensive repairs.
why not provide adequate accommodation for the crewmembers, while all these is going on, shame on the authorities for such treatment.
This is just inhumane and wrong 👎🤦
Crew members have adequate accommodation onboard. They normally do contracts from 4 to about 8 months onboard the ship. They have food and water and are still getting paid. Even although the ship is currently stationary it is still a working ship so crew need to be onboard. I can understand that the crew, especially senior officers and Captain and Chief Engineer must be feeling the heat and having sleepless nights, and having to continuously deal with Athorities, Owner, Charterer, Lawyers, Insurance Company and other relevant parties. When an accident happens in USA waters things are taken very seriously, especially investigations to establish the cause of accident including all things leading up to accident that may have contributed. This will be a long drawn out exercise and very costly for certain involved parties.
@brianbarbarich1401 The journey from Baltimore to Sri Lanka only takes 27 days. It has been 52 days and counting.
You don't need 20 crew members to keep a ship afloat; 5 to 7 at most is sufficient, as the crew usually works in rotation.
Additionally, a ship will always stop every 3 to 4 weeks for maintenance, rest, and refueling along its itinerary.
Please stop, just stop.
Ty🙏
@passerau are you a seafarer or ex seafarer? Your points seem like they from a person who does not have a clear understanding about how shipping actually works and with the relevant laws pertaining to how many crew members need to be onboard a vessel at any one time.
Are you saying that the accommodations on the ship are not adequate considering its the accommodations the crew has when they are at sea for months at a time.
@regould221 your question is not understandable. Please ask in a clear, consice manner relating to seafarers onboard ship's. I have been a seafarer for many years and your questions are confusing and display lack of shipping knowledge.
Yeah give them there phones back. Get them tickets home. There hast to be a fair resolution. Why wasn't there better dolphin protecting the bridge? Do not treat the crew bad. They did there best to resolve the problem the did extremely well warning the authorities about the problem and to shut down the bridge this could have been so much worse the only reason the bridge crew was working on the bridge and didn't know it was cuz nobody knew to tell them get off the bridge. They had shut down the bridge with saved tons of lives. If it wasn't for these ships coming in and out of the ports we would not have jobs for all the locals you have no idea how much these ships actually contribute to the communities that they deliver goods too.
"fair resolution" means the shipping company pays the entire cost of the salvage, reconstruction and wrongful deaths. Until then the ship, officers and crew should be held pending settlement.