The SS weren’t normal army units. These were paramilitary soldiers directly under Hitler. Even though the Wehrmacht was committing war crimes themselves, the SS were on a different level. It wasn’t so much “oh weird, these soldiers are SS”, it was “oh f**k, these soldiers are SS, why are the SS here when we thought we weren’t going to face stiff opposition during Market Garden in Holland”. I’d say it’s more alarm than surprise. (Reddit: @V_T_H) YOU CAN WATCH THIS TV MINI SERIES "BAND OF BROTHERS" (2001), THROUGH OUR WEBSITE IN OUR BIO
IRL Joseph Liebgott was known to be pretty brutal and merciless toward the Germans, and Winters often blamed himself for putting Liebgott in situations that only accelerated that descent. Liebgott never attended any Easy Company reunions after the war and developed a reputation as the company outcast because of it. There's no known cause for why Liebgott turned out the way he did. Some chalk it up to his Austrian heritage, some to his Jewish heritage (Liebgott was a lifelong Roman Catholic, but his mother was Jewish, which makes one a Jew in the eyes of Orthodox Judaism), and some say it was just the plain simple hell of the war.
never knew he never attended the reunions. being a taccoa man who was there from the beginning i woulda figured he'd be one of the core members. kinda sad, but war is hell.
@@hanksilman4016except he was even mentions it in the book, and the only reason why he wasn’t jumped was because they were essentially 100ft from the base they were operating from and allies were coming up the road to help secure the area. They would have had the chance
The author Stephen Ambrose in BoB wrote: Liebgott, slightly wounded in the arm, was a walking casualty. Winters ordered him to take the prisoners back to the battalion CP and then get himself tended by Doc Neavles. Then he remembered that Liebgott, a good combat soldier, had a reputation of “being very rough on prisoners.” He also heard Liebgott respond to his order with the words, “Oh, Boy! I’ll take care of them.” “There are eleven prisoners,” Winters said, “and I want eleven prisoners turned over to battalion.” Liebgott began to throw a tantrum. Winters dropped his M-1 to his hip, threw off the safety, pointed it at Liebgott, and said, “Liebgott, drop all your ammunition and empty your rifle.” Liebgott swore and grumbled but did as he was ordered. “Now,” said Winters, “you can put one round in your rifle. If you drop a prisoner, the rest will jump you.” Winters noticed a German officer who had been pacing back and forth, obviously nervous and concerned over Liebgott’s exuberance when he first got the assignment. Evidently the officer understood English; when he heard Winters’s further orders, he relaxed. Liebgott brought all eleven prisoners back to battalion HQ. Winters knew that for certain, as he checked later that day with Nixon.
It's important to note that soldiers who have already surrenderered generally have no good reason to try to run away. They have much better chances of survival as a POW than as a runaway behind enemy lines, which is why they surrendered in the first place. Liebgott could've been unarmed and chances are the prisioners would still make no attempt of escaping.
@@a2falcone agreed. At one point much closer to the end of the war they were so relieved to survive, that when one guy was sent to escort a group of pow's back to base, out of the 68 he started with, 1200 made it
I remember hearing somewhere that irl one german prisoner in the group understood english and told the rest what winters had said to Liebgott. They were relieved.
They can try and jump him, but they're surrounded and they'd be dead anyway All this does is A) ensure their safety, B) remove any weapons so the only one who would die is him
Keeping prisoners alive and well treated has been shown to pay off many tines before. You cant interrogate someone whos dead. People dont surrender as easily if youll kill or torture them. The information you get from torture is almost always unreliable. The information you get from well treated prisoners is sometimes unreliable, but if you treat your prisoners better than the enemey treats their soldiers, you often get double agents.
Hollywood and random government agencies can't accept that this has been debunked since the mideval times. A noble was upset with an inquisitor and asked the tortured man who was responsible. He shouted that the inqusitors were and the inquisitors looked at the noble in fear. Once you take away someone's humanity they'll just say whatever to stop the pain.
The English were particularly clever at this. High ranking German Officers were housed in luxury settings and even given German soldiers as butlers. They got so relaxed that they started talking among themselves - not knowing every word was being recorded. They gave away incredible amounts of information. . There was also a famous German Integrator who managed to get information by making his prisoners comfortable - even giving an Allied Pilot permission to go for a short flight in a German Fighter. . Torture is excellent for signed confessions but has limited value in getting reliable information.
No one keeps prisoners of war just to obtain information. You keep prisoners so the opposing side doesn't execute any of your sides soldiers who are taken prisoner. The goal is to swap prisoners. Simple.
The biggest advantage was the reputation you earned. The Germans knew despite all the propaganda that the war was likely about to be lost but that there was a life waiting afterwards. While in the eastern front people (including civilians being drafted into Volkssturm) service typically fought to the death because they expected to die anyway after capture or even get tortured/raped before it, in the west people were surrendering in the masses without any Volkssturm resistance worth talking about. Despite all the grief and anger due to the bombings there was a „you surrender to the Americans and the horrors of war are finally over for you mentality around. That saved a lot american life’s too. Less resistance meant less fighting and less own casualties.
and if the enemy found their surrendered comrades executed, they'd be sure to not surrender themselves and fight to the death, which means they might take a few of your own with them.
The amount of people assuming Captain Winters is being dumb here is astounding, actually watch the show or read the book. This was more symbolic telling Joe to not disobey and that he was serious. Read up on Major Winters (he got promoted by the end of the war) he was an amazing solider with some of his tactics still being taught at West Point today. Edit: Some of y’all are big mad, just read the book lmao
Winters was human. He needlessly put Liebgott’s life at risk here to teach some stupid lesson. If he didn’t trust Liebgott, then he could have chosen a different soldier. If one of the prisoners overheard Winters or even tried to overcome Liebgott, then Liebgott would have been outnumbered and overwhelmed. It makes no sense. Winters in his book acknowledged that he didn’t care as much for replacements and put them in positions of greater risk to protect those he knew. He was, like all of us, a flawed human. BoB is fiction. Ambrose got a lot wrong. That’s why there are so many mistakes like Lt. Dikes portrayal, not mentioning Dikes heroic and decorated record, the fact that Liebgott wasn’t Jewish, Blithe won a silver star in Korea, a high award for gallantry and survived both wars, the silly dialogue where the British woundn’t shoot through a house to hit a German tank, ( there was never a recorded order to not destroy property) and other drama based errors.
@@ghostcardsandcollectablesIts funny becauase when you are in basic there are so many things u see and live through thinking about how old these psychological tricks or tactics in the military are. With time you realize that they are here because of real life experiences and u might be living a tiny fraction of it just thinking about how they had to come up with these ideas.
Additionally he fought with more honor then honestly anyone else on the field I feel most other commanders were of just killed the prisoners in that situation and it’s innocent until proven guilty
Well yeah he doesn’t want to leave him completely defenseless he just wants him to think twice before executing a prison. And despite what videos games have taught us drawing your side arm is MUCH slower then reloading.
@acid634 that's objectively false. Just because it's in a video game, doesn't automatically make it wrong. I've had quite a bit of quality training for a civ. Transitioning to a side arm is actually faster than reloading.
It’s really more symbolic. I’m sure he’s got more clips on him too, that’s not the point. The point is “don’t kill any of the prisoners”. Besides, I’m no expert on grenades but I’m pretty sure you don’t want to be standing next to the place you want the grenade to go.
@@michaelfranciotti3900training with modern firearms, modern equipment, and modern techniques - it doesn’t compare to 80+ years ago. if even one prisoner manages to grab him, it’d be over as he’d be easily overwhelmed.
@@jasonlemuel5078 He could run a way for a bit before turning around. Prisoners usually aren't kept close enough that there is no space between their guard and them.
I had an uncle that was captured by the SS in Luxembourg. All 5'6", 135 lbs of him escaped, found his unit & captured his captors. My aunt, his girlfriend at the time, showed me the telegram that his mom received that he was MIA. I remember a photo in their home with him receiving a metal (Silver Star?) from some giant general. I once asked him when I was a little boy about the photo & all he said was "those SS guys were mean & nobody to mess with".
@@wolfuy2029actually people think that to be a SS member in those days you had to be blonde, tall and shit but some requeriments were often ignored if you showed that you were an insane fan of the party. Himmler in reality wasn't tall at all, Goebbels wasn't blonde and Göring he wasn't even thin and was addicted to morphine but they all shared the same fanatism so Hitler ignored that and used them to build what it used to be the third reich.
"When fighting monsters, one must be careful to ensure they themselves do not become a monster." Just because they are nazis, doesnt mean theyre exempt from the same rules and protections as everyone else. I loved BoB for this, because it shows what happens when you have principled people faced with a situation where there is a group its socially acceptable to hate, and the power to enact that hatred on them. Winters was a special kind of man
Well Winters himself shoots unarmed young Nazis and Speirs executed a bunch of Nazi prisoners, the real Winters even Speirs would have been guilty of war crimes these days but back then those guys were vital to the war effort
Im always amazed that despite everything thats going on Winters recognises the threat that his soldier is not in a good frame of mind, might shoot the prisoners and found a solution immediately.
in French when he takes the SS guy by the collar, he says "Jesus, how old is this one ? Seventeen ?!" . I never understand why they change lines like this for no reasons.
The French translators have had too much power, as basically no one in France spoke good english for decades until the internet and VOD platforms, so they took some moon logic decisions for the sake of them.
@@S7yx0 the idea that nobody in France spoke decent English until the Internet is so asinine that I don't even know where to start. All I'll say is that you are exhibiting the same brand of ignorance that makes idiots assume that the Egyptians couldn't do basic math without alien intervention.
The fact is the Waffen SS weren't actually as well trained or as good infantry as the Wehrmacht. It was their reputation for brutality post battle alone that gave them their fearsome reputation.
@@felipeball7778 They actually weren't very well-equipped either. The best gear was prioritized for the Heer (Army) because, well, they're the actual Army. The Waffen-SS used a mix of different equipment, mixing non-standard rifles, non-standard submachine guns and pistols, and outdated machineguns because all the stuff the SS used had to be obtained 'privately' through the Nazi Party, rather than the normal military supply system. The equipment wasn't low quality and not that technologically inferior to the Wehrmacht's gear, but it was much less standardized which is just something they had to deal with. Considering the SS mostly weren't frontline fighters, this was okay, and Waffen-SS units in frontline combat would usually be able to get the same kit as the Army units they shared the battlefield with. The biggest reason the SS got the reputation for being elite fighters is that they were often extremely highly motivated. Skill and training is important, equipment is important, but morale and willingness to take risks can serve as a force multiplier in its own right, as proven by many soldiers throughout history - and this is true even if you're an evil bastard like the SS.
I am a American combat Veteran (US Army 505th PIR 82nd Airborne Division). I totally admire the courage, discipline, and Professionalism of Capt. Winters. Winters is a solid, genuine, Airborne Warrior. When I was a 82nd Airborne Division Paratrooper, there were times I patrolled along side my 101st Airborne Brothers. And, I must say they were some of the finest, toughest, elite Troops I ever worked with. "ALL THE WAY!", GOD Bless Them ALL!
My (german) Grandpa was a Sergeant and platoon leader on the other side. In the Waffen SS Division Hitlerjugend. His "soldiers" were 17 year old boys who grew up indoctrinated with the Nazi propaganda whereas he was drafted into the Waffen SS, because he was a policeman before the war. Those kids were fanatics, in the best physical shape but inexperienced. They died like flies while my Gramps, as an old East Front Veteran knew how things work on the front. He always spoke highly of the Americans and by the end of the war made a huge effort to flee from russian (hungary) into american (Austria) occupied territory because he knew that the Americans would treat him with at least a minimum of human dignity while being POW under the russians literally was a death sentence. Happy to have grown up in peace and concerned that nationalism is on the rise again worldwide.
its amazing that people dont see the issue with fanatical nationalism isnt it? Like we learned nothing from history. My wife and I are on different political"sides" we both have been disgusted since 2016.I hope people wake up
@@jasonenna3544 thing is, people all have very different opinions on what "waking up" looks like Usually they say this to justify pre aligned, and ineffective views
The One World Order is attempting to destroy national borders and national pride turning the entire worldwide population into obedient workers who have no identity so they can all be easily controlled. As Klaus Schwab states the majority will "own nothing and be happy." They want you to embrace the idea of becoming slave labor to the rich and powerful. Nationalism is on the rise to combat this evil movement of the Global Elites. MAGA !!!
Nationalism isn't necessarily a bad thing, it shows that you're proud of your heritage and ancestry. However, when you're going to the extremes that Hitler and the SS went to, it's a horrible thing.
@rambo-cambo3581 Usually, whenever someone is talking about "waking up," it's about them realizing that it doesn't matter what party you choose, they're all evil and corrupt.
No, do you guys read books ? It’s the 9 SS hohenstaufen who wins the market garden battle , the majority of this division were volunteers, and they were not that equipped but had the minimum of training you need to push back américan and British forces
Every alleged war crime that the US may have done did get properly prosecuted, just so you’re aware. Just not as publicly as the Germans after the war. Read a book
@@onechilldude4247 Negative. Notice how he loaded the round directly? The ping you hear is the clip getting ejected. No clip = no ping. So they would have to see the breach lock open at the top to realise.
“The average age of the United States soldier in World War II is estimated at 26 with the draft including all able-bodied men from 18 years of age to 45 years.”
I think they would be surprised to see SS because they were previously enthusiastic volunteers similar to how winters described the 101st, but at that point were scraping the bottom of the barrel like the regular german army.
@@mitchellsmith746youd be suprised how viscious you get when your country gets bombed daily, your women are raped, your children are starved and your men are slaughtered by a power that seeks to completely dismantle and disintegrate your nation
One thing I noticed about that scene...was in his R and R in Paris, he's talking to a young french boy, like 16 years old...it might be the same actor playing that like 16 year old german ss he shot with the garand at the start of the episode...and then that happens where he grabs the body of that same kid by the collar and says "Jesus, they're SS".
You seem to not understand that going 11 vs 1 is not a winning scenario if you have one round in your rifle and a short spear. A grenade isn't going to do much either, pulling one out and prepping takes time, seconds for sure but seconds in which he can get overpowered. Add onto that a 3-5 second fuse and the prisoners will likely scatter or charge the guy.
@@FootballClubDavid_WI_USA Don't be a fool, I bet you wouldn't be singing about "there's no morality in war" if you were on the losing end in a real war. Good luck
My grandmother's first husband was a Nazi SS officer. She ate dinner not only with Hitler, but at the same table. She fled Germany well before they were slated to lose. She knew these men and their families. We bonded over watching documentaries, and she'd point out SS officers on camera and knew intimate details about them. "That one's wife never attended events because she always had a black eye. That one had a liking for little girls. That one killed two young officers because they didn't love him back (when he tried to rape them)."
I think the only reason why Germany and Italy got POW status was because they played by those rules. Japan however didnt. And i love that we matched that energy.
@Movieclips-hj7dc Japanese POWs were rare. It was pretty well understood that taking Japanese soldiers as POWs was a dangerous and treacherous affair as they would play dead, feign surrender and do bonzai charges to kill as many US service men as possible. The American POWs weren't treated as actual POWs by the Geneva Suggestions, Japan didn't honor it. They didn't care nearly as much as Germany and Italy.
@@ZADDY44 Yet by far the highest POW fatality rate were not allies in japanese POW camps, but russians in german POW camps. And that's a well documented fact. 27% of allied POW's died in japanese camps, 60% of soviet prisoners died in german camps.
To the Japanese soldier, indoctrinated at his school growing up to be a soldier to serve the emperor, he was told surrender was worse than death. It is why they treated those who surrendered harshly. They could not fathom an enemy who had a human desire to live through war. For them, the fight would be to the end, as that's how they were taught the samurai fought (Samurai and their peasant Ashigaru would retreat during combat, but Samurai preferred seppuku over capture). This idea of serving their emperor until death was reinforced by their religious beliefs. The Emperor of descended lineage to their goddess (Shinto) would reward them, either in afterlife or reincarnation (Buddhism). Unfortunately for them, moral and fighting spirit are no match for the pure, totality of modern war.
I knew a man who was US army and captured by the ss at the Brenner Pass. He worked for Montalbano Lumber in Houston in the 90‘s. I bought supplies there almost every day and talked to him many times. I well remember him telling what happened. He said he and the others were not harmed in the least and said he was treated well by the ss. This good treatment even after untold numbers of captured ss and German Army had already been murdered by American soldiers by this time. I’ve heard many similar accounts from other US and British veterans I knew. Not very much about what we’ve been taught regarding ww2 is true. It’s known as the GAE and Empire of Lies for good reason.
German treatment of western allies pows varied greatly. Many American and British pows were summarily executed by the Germans, especially SS units, but many were also treated well, it really depended on how the German commanders were feeling that day, but make no mistake, the Germans were far worse than the Americans or British in their treatment of POWs.
@@pimppimpproductions6497 the idea that the Germans were far worse is more GAE propaganda. The religion of ww2 is falling apart as more and more truth comes out. And the Regime can’t stand it.
@@randomelite4562 Thank you for your question. The GAE is a pretty common term. It originally started out as meaning „Global American Empire“. It still means that however it has gradually been coming to mean „Gay American Empire“. It has always been pronounced as „The Gay“ when referenced. This term refers to the regime in Washington. There are many other terms by which it is called such as „The Poz“, „The Cathedral“, „The Church of Woke“, „The Potomac Regime“ among others. They all refer to the same entity that promotes Globalism, Open Borders, The Gay Agenda, Trans Children, the transfer of American industry and jobs to other countries, etc.
You do know that not every POW was treated the same and had the same experience, right? Maybe that’s a better explanation than these idiotic conspiracy theories that have no facts to back them up.
Love him or hate him Elon Musk said one of the wisest things I’ve heard when asked about morality of a country. He said no country is perfect, but I think a big part that shows you who we are, is, how we treat our prisoners of war
Saying this he ofc knew about Guantanamo Bay, so infact he said "The US Governments morality is non existant and far inferior to that of these poor SS soldiers"
Am not and never been, military and cannot think like one, but the point here, I think, was the message conveyed to Joe from his superior: Son, I know this is hell but you MUST keep it together and remain focused if we all want to make it out of here, (meaning war), alive. Winters proved since day one his leadership and judgement. As a soldier, you could rely on that.
My father was in the Fighting 79th. He seldom spoke about the war but sometimes when we were alone out hunting he’d open up. He told me once that they had some SS who surrendered. After turning over their weapons, they began taunting my father and the other Americans, daring them to kill them; they cursed them and said that if dad and them were prisoners, they would kill all of them. He also added that nearly all of them were well educated, spoke English better than my father and his brother soldiers. They were evil to the core.
I never got this scene. What if one of the prisoners went psycho on Liebgott. He would have had to shoot him with his one round. And then the other prisoners would have jumped him anyway.
Well it's exactly what happened, according to history. For reasons unknown to us, Winters made the call. Perhaps he had intel we aren't shown regarding surrendering Germans that made him trust they wouldn't "go psycho." Regardless, Liebgott had a reputation for harsh treatment of prisoners, but Liebgott needed to get patched up, so Winters made do.
@@avromostlund5166 Could be that German troops didn’t usually do that. Don’t have sources for that but from what I understand they played pretty fairly in WW2 compared to say, the Japanese. Or at least they didn’t get too desperate.
“You got one round so that if you drop one the rest will jump you” “What if they jump me even if I don’t drop one of them?” “It’s a risk I’m willing to take because you’re a bit of an asshole”
Almost everyone though, some were there because they're too good to be some regular officers who look like only loyal to Germany not Hitler. And you can still say the same thing today, not every Russian soldier loyal to Putin, just Russia and it's their duty.
@@Dracalis Considering that globalism is destroying Europe something which was warned about from the other side, can you blame them? Can you also blame people when they learn the allies sided with a regime which killed 15 million before ww2 and they had tens of millions living under their tyranny? Soviets didn't stop there, they mistreated millions of minorities too.
Even off a full clip he would've still had 8 rounds. Could he hit a reload before the other 3 (assuming he hit all 8 on the first go around) got to him. Doubtful. Math aint mathin'!
You are very bad at Math, yes. But you're even worse at basic logic. He's teaching a friend a lesson. He's very clearly not disarming him. Still has the sidearm and grenades.
The point was he was the only person shooting the medics. He needed to knock it off. He got taken off the line and retasked before he could do more things he'd regret. Capt Winters gave him a lesson in Mercy
SS are elite. That means they get told things the Wehrmacht don't. That means intel. Which means they are, unfortunately, more valuable alive than dead.
no they need prisoners not because of morality but because of intelligence, prisoners carry valuable information and a common infantryman will more than likely spill information after capture than face death
Well them surrendering makes that battle a hell of a lot less costly. you want that to keep happening and people don't tend to surrender as easily if they think you'll shoot them either way. Killing prisoners is stupid.
The dumbest thing Winters did. How would he have felt if the prisoners jumped the guy cuz winters took all of his ammo except one? Tbh it was a pretty despicable thing to do.
@@chrisbeer5685 .... so I see you and winters have the same problem with math. Even if he still has one bullet, if your the prisoners why not jump him. At most he kills one of you. Ten of you go free. That's great odds for a chance at freedom.
@@ren7a8ero He wouldn't have ten soldiers to deal with, because none of the germans will volunteer to be shot by being the first to jump him. Not risky at all once you understand human psychology and that war is not a video game.
The SS weren’t normal army units. These were paramilitary soldiers directly under Hitler. Even though the Wehrmacht was committing war crimes themselves, the SS were on a different level. It wasn’t so much “oh weird, these soldiers are SS”, it was “oh f**k, these soldiers are SS, why are the SS here when we thought we weren’t going to face stiff opposition during Market Garden in Holland”. I’d say it’s more alarm than surprise. (Reddit: @V_T_H)
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Why was the SS considered stiff opposition? Wasn’t their main function terrorizing civilians and barbecue?
Yes, old men and teenagers, really stiff opposition compared to the properly trained and organized Wehrmacht.
@@Aserox As opposed to the Wehrmacht, who only had young boys and elderly men.
@@AseroxI think your thinking of the volkssturm
From what I know the SS generally underperformed compared to the Whermacht, but used propaganda to pretend they were the elite.
IRL Joseph Liebgott was known to be pretty brutal and merciless toward the Germans, and Winters often blamed himself for putting Liebgott in situations that only accelerated that descent. Liebgott never attended any Easy Company reunions after the war and developed a reputation as the company outcast because of it.
There's no known cause for why Liebgott turned out the way he did. Some chalk it up to his Austrian heritage, some to his Jewish heritage (Liebgott was a lifelong Roman Catholic, but his mother was Jewish, which makes one a Jew in the eyes of Orthodox Judaism), and some say it was just the plain simple hell of the war.
never knew he never attended the reunions. being a taccoa man who was there from the beginning i woulda figured he'd be one of the core members. kinda sad, but war is hell.
He was the most based
@@lapantonywhy?
He wasn’t Jewish. He was Catholic. Jews don’t get to own you just because of Jewish Matriarchal rules.
@@oldfrend No, war is war and hell is hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
All of you are saying "what if this.." the point is he made it back and no prisoners were harmed, mission accomplished
they dont know he has 1 round
irl he wasn't the only one escorting them back either. Always move in teams.
@@meatmeister2042 except Europeans tend to speak multiple languages and could have heard and understood what he yelled.
@@hanksilman4016except he was even mentions it in the book, and the only reason why he wasn’t jumped was because they were essentially 100ft from the base they were operating from and allies were coming up the road to help secure the area. They would have had the chance
@@meatmeister2042 and 1 grenade :)
The author Stephen Ambrose in BoB wrote: Liebgott, slightly wounded in the arm, was a walking casualty. Winters ordered him to take the prisoners back to the battalion CP and then get himself tended by Doc Neavles.
Then he remembered that Liebgott, a good combat soldier, had a reputation of “being very rough on prisoners.” He also heard Liebgott respond to his order with the words, “Oh, Boy! I’ll take care of them.”
“There are eleven prisoners,” Winters said, “and I want eleven prisoners turned over to battalion.” Liebgott began to throw a tantrum. Winters dropped his M-1 to his hip, threw off the safety, pointed it at Liebgott, and said, “Liebgott, drop all your ammunition and empty your rifle.” Liebgott swore and grumbled but did as he was ordered.
“Now,” said Winters, “you can put one round in your rifle. If you drop a prisoner, the rest will jump you.” Winters noticed a German officer who had been pacing back and forth, obviously nervous and concerned over Liebgott’s exuberance when he first got the assignment. Evidently the officer understood English; when he heard Winters’s further orders, he relaxed.
Liebgott brought all eleven prisoners back to battalion HQ. Winters knew that for certain, as he checked later that day with Nixon.
It's important to note that soldiers who have already surrenderered generally have no good reason to try to run away. They have much better chances of survival as a POW than as a runaway behind enemy lines, which is why they surrendered in the first place. Liebgott could've been unarmed and chances are the prisioners would still make no attempt of escaping.
He actually pointed his gun at him? Quite a bit more aggressive than the show shows here
@@a2falconeunless the Japanese caught you
OH BOY
@@a2falcone agreed. At one point much closer to the end of the war they were so relieved to survive, that when one guy was sent to escort a group of pow's back to base, out of the 68 he started with, 1200 made it
@@sjonnieplayfull5859What? How did this happen, he accumulated more POWs on the way back to base? Sorry I don't follow if you're making a joke. 😅
I remember hearing somewhere that irl one german prisoner in the group understood english and told the rest what winters had said to Liebgott. They were relieved.
Woo
I've heard similar, apparently one of the prisoners was an officer and he told Winters Leibgott was making the other prisoners nervous
They can try and jump him, but they're surrounded and they'd be dead anyway
All this does is A) ensure their safety, B) remove any weapons so the only one who would die is him
@@PJOZeus first of, they get liebgott killed... So if he would survive, he better didn't waste this one bullet...
@@ronnyk5316 Liebgott died in San Bernadino in 1992...
Keeping prisoners alive and well treated has been shown to pay off many tines before. You cant interrogate someone whos dead. People dont surrender as easily if youll kill or torture them. The information you get from torture is almost always unreliable. The information you get from well treated prisoners is sometimes unreliable, but if you treat your prisoners better than the enemey treats their soldiers, you often get double agents.
Hollywood and random government agencies can't accept that this has been debunked since the mideval times. A noble was upset with an inquisitor and asked the tortured man who was responsible. He shouted that the inqusitors were and the inquisitors looked at the noble in fear. Once you take away someone's humanity they'll just say whatever to stop the pain.
The English were particularly clever at this. High ranking German Officers were housed in luxury settings and even given German soldiers as butlers. They got so relaxed that they started talking among themselves - not knowing every word was being recorded. They gave away incredible amounts of information.
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There was also a famous German Integrator who managed to get information by making his prisoners comfortable - even giving an Allied Pilot permission to go for a short flight in a German Fighter.
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Torture is excellent for signed confessions but has limited value in getting reliable information.
No one keeps prisoners of war just to obtain information. You keep prisoners so the opposing side doesn't execute any of your sides soldiers who are taken prisoner. The goal is to swap prisoners. Simple.
The biggest advantage was the reputation you earned. The Germans knew despite all the propaganda that the war was likely about to be lost but that there was a life waiting afterwards. While in the eastern front people (including civilians being drafted into Volkssturm) service typically fought to the death because they expected to die anyway after capture or even get tortured/raped before it, in the west people were surrendering in the masses without any Volkssturm resistance worth talking about. Despite all the grief and anger due to the bombings there was a „you surrender to the Americans and the horrors of war are finally over for you mentality around.
That saved a lot american life’s too. Less resistance meant less fighting and less own casualties.
and if the enemy found their surrendered comrades executed, they'd be sure to not surrender themselves and fight to the death, which means they might take a few of your own with them.
The amount of people assuming Captain Winters is being dumb here is astounding, actually watch the show or read the book. This was more symbolic telling Joe to not disobey and that he was serious. Read up on Major Winters (he got promoted by the end of the war) he was an amazing solider with some of his tactics still being taught at West Point today.
Edit: Some of y’all are big mad, just read the book lmao
That's how you can tell who were great leaders if the younger generations of potential leaders are still being taught their ways.
Winters was human.
He needlessly put Liebgott’s life at risk here to teach some stupid lesson.
If he didn’t trust Liebgott, then he could have chosen a different soldier.
If one of the prisoners overheard Winters or even tried to overcome Liebgott, then Liebgott would have been outnumbered and overwhelmed.
It makes no sense.
Winters in his book acknowledged that he didn’t care as much for replacements and put them in positions of greater risk to protect those he knew.
He was, like all of us, a flawed human.
BoB is fiction. Ambrose got a lot wrong. That’s why there are so many mistakes like Lt. Dikes portrayal, not mentioning Dikes heroic and decorated record, the fact that Liebgott wasn’t Jewish, Blithe won a silver star in Korea, a high award for gallantry and survived both wars, the silly dialogue where the British woundn’t shoot through a house to hit a German tank, ( there was never a recorded order to not destroy property) and other drama based errors.
@@ghostcardsandcollectablesIts funny becauase when you are in basic there are so many things u see and live through thinking about how old these psychological tricks or tactics in the military are. With time you realize that they are here because of real life experiences and u might be living a tiny fraction of it just thinking about how they had to come up with these ideas.
Additionally he fought with more honor then honestly anyone else on the field I feel most other commanders were of just killed the prisoners in that situation and it’s innocent until proven guilty
Read the book he says
Always found it funny how he still has his grenades and sidearm
Well yeah he doesn’t want to leave him completely defenseless he just wants him to think twice before executing a prison. And despite what videos games have taught us drawing your side arm is MUCH slower then reloading.
@acid634 that's objectively false. Just because it's in a video game, doesn't automatically make it wrong. I've had quite a bit of quality training for a civ. Transitioning to a side arm is actually faster than reloading.
Probably more of a symbolic gesture instead imo
It’s really more symbolic. I’m sure he’s got more clips on him too, that’s not the point. The point is “don’t kill any of the prisoners”. Besides, I’m no expert on grenades but I’m pretty sure you don’t want to be standing next to the place you want the grenade to go.
@@michaelfranciotti3900training with modern firearms, modern equipment, and modern techniques - it doesn’t compare to 80+ years ago.
if even one prisoner manages to grab him, it’d be over as he’d be easily overwhelmed.
The amount of people that dont know these 2 actors are british really goes to show how good their accents are
Even crazier that the actor who played Joseph Liebgott came in with a Connecticut accent for a guy who is supposed to be from San Francisco
Probably still has ammo in his pouches too.
After one shot he have to reload by the time he can reload he's already jumped
Also the grenade
Eject 1 bullet,replace with full@@jasonlemuel5078
Not the point. Winters put a single round back in his rifle and gave him a direct order.
@@jasonlemuel5078 He could run a way for a bit before turning around. Prisoners usually aren't kept close enough that there is no space between their guard and them.
I had an uncle that was captured by the SS in Luxembourg. All 5'6", 135 lbs of him escaped, found his unit & captured his captors.
My aunt, his girlfriend at the time, showed me the telegram that his mom received that he was MIA.
I remember a photo in their home with him receiving a metal (Silver Star?) from some giant general.
I once asked him when I was a little boy about the photo & all he said was "those SS guys were mean & nobody to mess with".
Well trained and completely fanatized, yeah they wasn't to be fucked with
Medal*
@@wolfuy2029actually people think that to be a SS member in those days you had to be blonde, tall and shit but some requeriments were often ignored if you showed that you were an insane fan of the party. Himmler in reality wasn't tall at all, Goebbels wasn't blonde and Göring he wasn't even thin and was addicted to morphine but they all shared the same fanatism so Hitler ignored that and used them to build what it used to be the third reich.
Most of the Germans were fanatics.@@wolfuy2029
How come there are many accounts of captured allied soldiers but not that much of the German soldiers?
Nah, Joe just wanted to hear the ping of his Garand
more pings = more dopamine
My dopamine when hearing the ping: 📈📈📈
Its a weirdly satisfying sound
I really enjoy this show. I like how they showed all the war vets whose real names they used for the actors.
"When fighting monsters, one must be careful to ensure they themselves do not become a monster."
Just because they are nazis, doesnt mean theyre exempt from the same rules and protections as everyone else.
I loved BoB for this, because it shows what happens when you have principled people faced with a situation where there is a group its socially acceptable to hate, and the power to enact that hatred on them.
Winters was a special kind of man
Well Winters himself shoots unarmed young Nazis and Speirs executed a bunch of Nazi prisoners, the real Winters even Speirs would have been guilty of war crimes these days but back then those guys were vital to the war effort
@rickskellig4652 what?
@@rickskellig4652in fairness that's why he said BoB and not winters
Im always amazed that despite everything thats going on Winters recognises the threat that his soldier is not in a good frame of mind, might shoot the prisoners and found a solution immediately.
Winters knew that Joe was on the edge and could have made a very bad decision. By taking away his ammo he took away the temptation to kill them all.
in French when he takes the SS guy by the collar, he says "Jesus, how old is this one ? Seventeen ?!" . I never understand why they change lines like this for no reasons.
The French translators have had too much power, as basically no one in France spoke good english for decades until the internet and VOD platforms, so they took some moon logic decisions for the sake of them.
@@S7yx0 Its true about freedom, not for the quality of the french quality of english tho
It’s because the French are secretly more than a bit fascist themselves.
@@S7yx0 the idea that nobody in France spoke decent English until the Internet is so asinine that I don't even know where to start. All I'll say is that you are exhibiting the same brand of ignorance that makes idiots assume that the Egyptians couldn't do basic math without alien intervention.
"He forgot the grenade, HE FORGOT THE GRENADE! Skippidy bippity bop, Time for this Pineapple to pop!"
The fact is the Waffen SS weren't actually as well trained or as good infantry as the Wehrmacht. It was their reputation for brutality post battle alone that gave them their fearsome reputation.
That and the Germans hyping the fuck out of them.
And also them being more well equipped makes the enemy think theyre the most elite unit of german army
Stop spreading false information lol, typical americans.
Which explains the complete turkey shoot in the last clip
@@felipeball7778 They actually weren't very well-equipped either. The best gear was prioritized for the Heer (Army) because, well, they're the actual Army.
The Waffen-SS used a mix of different equipment, mixing non-standard rifles, non-standard submachine guns and pistols, and outdated machineguns because all the stuff the SS used had to be obtained 'privately' through the Nazi Party, rather than the normal military supply system.
The equipment wasn't low quality and not that technologically inferior to the Wehrmacht's gear, but it was much less standardized which is just something they had to deal with.
Considering the SS mostly weren't frontline fighters, this was okay, and Waffen-SS units in frontline combat would usually be able to get the same kit as the Army units they shared the battlefield with.
The biggest reason the SS got the reputation for being elite fighters is that they were often extremely highly motivated. Skill and training is important, equipment is important, but morale and willingness to take risks can serve as a force multiplier in its own right, as proven by many soldiers throughout history - and this is true even if you're an evil bastard like the SS.
Damm this comment section got people who probably hated a Christmas truce
I am a American combat Veteran (US Army 505th PIR 82nd Airborne Division). I totally admire the courage, discipline, and Professionalism of Capt. Winters.
Winters is a solid, genuine, Airborne Warrior. When I was a 82nd Airborne Division Paratrooper, there were times I patrolled along side my 101st Airborne Brothers. And, I must say they were some of the finest, toughest, elite Troops I ever worked with. "ALL THE WAY!", GOD Bless Them ALL!
Bless you
pogue
God Bless You Sir.
This is the lowest stakes thing for Arin to get insanely stressed out about and im loving every second of it
My (german) Grandpa was a Sergeant and platoon leader on the other side. In the Waffen SS Division Hitlerjugend. His "soldiers" were 17 year old boys who grew up indoctrinated with the Nazi propaganda whereas he was drafted into the Waffen SS, because he was a policeman before the war. Those kids were fanatics, in the best physical shape but inexperienced. They died like flies while my Gramps, as an old East Front Veteran knew how things work on the front. He always spoke highly of the Americans and by the end of the war made a huge effort to flee from russian (hungary) into american (Austria) occupied territory because he knew that the Americans would treat him with at least a minimum of human dignity while being POW under the russians literally was a death sentence.
Happy to have grown up in peace and concerned that nationalism is on the rise again worldwide.
its amazing that people dont see the issue with fanatical nationalism isnt it? Like we learned nothing from history. My wife and I are on different political"sides" we both have been disgusted since 2016.I hope people wake up
@@jasonenna3544 thing is, people all have very different opinions on what "waking up" looks like
Usually they say this to justify pre aligned, and ineffective views
The One World Order is attempting to destroy national borders and national pride turning the entire worldwide population into obedient workers who have no identity so they can all be easily controlled.
As Klaus Schwab states the majority will "own nothing and be happy."
They want you to embrace the idea of becoming slave labor to the rich and powerful.
Nationalism is on the rise to combat this evil movement of the Global Elites. MAGA !!!
Nationalism isn't necessarily a bad thing, it shows that you're proud of your heritage and ancestry. However, when you're going to the extremes that Hitler and the SS went to, it's a horrible thing.
@rambo-cambo3581 Usually, whenever someone is talking about "waking up," it's about them realizing that it doesn't matter what party you choose, they're all evil and corrupt.
🎉The best TV series of WWll. ❤ Thank you Tom.
Concerning the Army, certainly.
he's a very good leader, need more good officers like him in the current military
Winters was a real man of War!
Love the camera close up on Lewis unloading the weapon casually and smoothly like a trooper would. Looks natural and real.
I always liked that Lt at the start of this clip
Isn't that Moose?
It's Peacock
@@M_Alistair that’s right. Far out it’s been a while, gotta break the old DVD set out again!
@@wtls000I haven’t heard “far out” in a minute . Nice
Homie prevented the Ghiscari massacre
Biscari, Italy, sorry for correcting you.
@@tomislavperic6507 Valar Morghulis
Never forget, never forgive
I rlly loved this show, me and my family would watch this, even though we would finish this, we would repeat it
"I wasn't expecting special forces."
"If you guys could handle some yanks with pingers, we could be somewhere else right now."
Yeah, don't drop that hand grenade.
@Clunguschungusmungus What??
"look I've only got one round, so you boys are gonna hafta share, line up"
Man! that M1 Garand ping
They were conscripted green SS soldiers. Not actual trained hardened SS soldiers like you think. That’s why they took them out so easily.
Yup so many people don’t realise this. I didn’t myself until I met people who were in the SS.
No, do you guys read books ? It’s the 9 SS hohenstaufen who wins the market garden battle , the majority of this division were volunteers, and they were not that equipped but had the minimum of training you need to push back américan and British forces
Now that's some serious amount of cope.
Cope @@averagestan9671
@@marceloescobar9096 its not its facts look up the different units, you can its not like its some hidden knowledge or something
My uncle who was in the Ozark Division told me that SS received NO mercy in battle.
Blessed are the merciful...
♥️
Winters took his ammo but he still has a grenade.
Thanks for not taking my grenades, Captain!
But only one side had their warcriminals properly prosecuted and punished.
Every alleged war crime that the US may have done did get properly prosecuted, just so you’re aware. Just not as publicly as the Germans after the war. Read a book
Obviously not. Germany still remains as a country. :)
thats how history works if the nazis won, the Allied generals and higher ups would of been tried and killed, the winner decides
Wait untill winters hears about Speirs
Just noticed that he left him with one round but also left him with a fucking frag grenade lol
The prisoners don’t know he only has the one round in the rifle….
They gonna know from the ping of the garand
@@onechilldude4247 Negative. Notice how he loaded the round directly? The ping you hear is the clip getting ejected.
No clip = no ping.
So they would have to see the breach lock open at the top to realise.
@@onechilldude4247 The clip was not inserted so there would be no ping mate…..
The idea was that Joe knew he only had one round. So that way he wouldn't execute any of the prisoners
Knowing that if he did, he wouldn't survive being jumped
Joe only has one round, but if you watch the video, he's also wearing a grenade!🤔🤭
and a side arm
What's he going to do with the grenade in that scenario?
Im sure he has ammo in his pockets too
He was about to drop them boys
Kraut boys
These were 18-24 year olds...the greatest generation.
Greatest Generation was around 22-45 at this time. 18-22 year olds would have been the Silent Generation
“The average age of the United States soldier in World War II is estimated at 26 with the draft including all able-bodied men from 18 years of age to 45 years.”
@@CornpopBadDude
Other way around. Silent gen lived to see and fight in WW1, greatest gen fought in WW2
The Prisoners All Later Worked For NASA💀
Some of the scientists and others went to USSR ...
Those were just SS Infantry. Not scientist or engineers.
@@gewishworm4724 no SS but nazis ...
@@gewishworm4724He's joking. At least i'd hope so.
operation paperclip
Liebgott:
“Hehehehe!!!! He let me keep my grenade!”
The eleven German POWs:
😳😬😳😟😧😱😥😮😒🤬🤯
Captain knew that one of his soldiers had a reputation
"ho shit, 1 ammo, you ruin my war crime"
Me: "My first reaction would have been that he was a child, soldier but... I guess SS would make for better optics."
Those boys were ferocious. Terrifying how easily children can be turned into killing machines.
@@mitchellsmith746 As long as he was a Germ.
I think they would be surprised to see SS because they were previously enthusiastic volunteers similar to how winters described the 101st, but at that point were scraping the bottom of the barrel like the regular german army.
@@kewltony Richard 'Kid-Killer' Winters would've also probably been bad for the PR.
@@mitchellsmith746youd be suprised how viscious you get when your country gets bombed daily, your women are raped, your children are starved and your men are slaughtered by a power that seeks to completely dismantle and disintegrate your nation
One thing I noticed about that scene...was in his R and R in Paris, he's talking to a young french boy, like 16 years old...it might be the same actor playing that like 16 year old german ss he shot with the garand at the start of the episode...and then that happens where he grabs the body of that same kid by the collar and says "Jesus, they're SS".
I mean.. he still has his grenades.
But sir, they dont know i have only one bullet.
"...but don't drop your grenade"
Who do you think he is..Flash?
Still got a grenade…
And that leaves 9.
@@Pagliacci_RexI didn't know grenades can only kill one person at a time
@@donaldyeung9658 one guy will lay on the grenade so the rest can survive.
@@donaldyeung9658 they dont work like you think they do
they might injure a few, but not more than a few
@@Pagliacci_Rex buddy not many are that brave
Wow. Look at the way Damian Lewis handles that M1. Like he slept t with it when he was a baby.
Every hbo mini series is a blessing for us. Even the Starship Troopers roughnecks ahhahah
He forget the grenade and the bayonet 🤣🤣🤣
You seem to not understand that going 11 vs 1 is not a winning scenario if you have one round in your rifle and a short spear. A grenade isn't going to do much either, pulling one out and prepping takes time, seconds for sure but seconds in which he can get overpowered. Add onto that a 3-5 second fuse and the prisoners will likely scatter or charge the guy.
Casually showing US war crimes in the entire series
Boo fucking hoo
War is hell and nobody has clean hands.
And you, casually ignoring Germany's war crimes in the same breath. Why is that?
He has animosity for a superior nation while having no idea what war is by trying to regulate it with morality.@@NaruSanavai
@@FootballClubDavid_WI_USA Don't be a fool, I bet you wouldn't be singing about "there's no morality in war" if you were on the losing end in a real war. Good luck
He still has that 1911 on his hip…
My grandmother's first husband was a Nazi SS officer. She ate dinner not only with Hitler, but at the same table. She fled Germany well before they were slated to lose. She knew these men and their families. We bonded over watching documentaries, and she'd point out SS officers on camera and knew intimate details about them. "That one's wife never attended events because she always had a black eye. That one had a liking for little girls. That one killed two young officers because they didn't love him back (when he tried to rape them)."
I think the only reason why Germany and Italy got POW status was because they played by those rules. Japan however didnt. And i love that we matched that energy.
There were still pow’s on both sides but yeah nothing compared to Europe. Also japans culture didn’t allow them to surrender.
@Movieclips-hj7dc Japanese POWs were rare. It was pretty well understood that taking Japanese soldiers as POWs was a dangerous and treacherous affair as they would play dead, feign surrender and do bonzai charges to kill as many US service men as possible. The American POWs weren't treated as actual POWs by the Geneva Suggestions, Japan didn't honor it. They didn't care nearly as much as Germany and Italy.
"we". Keyboard psycho.
@@ZADDY44 Yet by far the highest POW fatality rate were not allies in japanese POW camps, but russians in german POW camps. And that's a well documented fact. 27% of allied POW's died in japanese camps, 60% of soviet prisoners died in german camps.
To the Japanese soldier, indoctrinated at his school growing up to be a soldier to serve the emperor, he was told surrender was worse than death. It is why they treated those who surrendered harshly. They could not fathom an enemy who had a human desire to live through war.
For them, the fight would be to the end, as that's how they were taught the samurai fought (Samurai and their peasant Ashigaru would retreat during combat, but Samurai preferred seppuku over capture).
This idea of serving their emperor until death was reinforced by their religious beliefs. The Emperor of descended lineage to their goddess (Shinto) would reward them, either in afterlife or reincarnation (Buddhism).
Unfortunately for them, moral and fighting spirit are no match for the pure, totality of modern war.
I knew a man who was US army and captured by the ss at the Brenner Pass. He worked for Montalbano Lumber in Houston in the 90‘s. I bought supplies there almost every day and talked to him many times.
I well remember him telling what happened.
He said he and the others were not harmed in the least and said he was treated well by the ss.
This good treatment even after untold numbers of captured ss and German Army had already been murdered by American soldiers by this time.
I’ve heard many similar accounts from other US and British veterans I knew.
Not very much about what we’ve been taught regarding ww2 is true.
It’s known as the GAE and Empire of Lies for good reason.
German treatment of western allies pows varied greatly. Many American and British pows were summarily executed by the Germans, especially SS units, but many were also treated well, it really depended on how the German commanders were feeling that day, but make no mistake, the Germans were far worse than the Americans or British in their treatment of POWs.
@@pimppimpproductions6497 the idea that the Germans were far worse is more GAE propaganda.
The religion of ww2 is falling apart as more and more truth comes out. And the Regime can’t stand it.
@@daqt6079Who is in this “Regime” and what does GAE stand for
@@randomelite4562 Thank you for your question.
The GAE is a pretty common term. It originally started out as meaning „Global American Empire“.
It still means that however it has gradually been coming to mean „Gay American Empire“.
It has always been pronounced as „The Gay“ when referenced.
This term refers to the regime in Washington.
There are many other terms by which it is called such as „The Poz“, „The Cathedral“, „The Church of Woke“, „The Potomac Regime“ among others.
They all refer to the same entity that promotes Globalism, Open Borders, The Gay Agenda, Trans Children, the transfer of American industry and jobs to other countries, etc.
You do know that not every POW was treated the same and had the same experience, right? Maybe that’s a better explanation than these idiotic conspiracy theories that have no facts to back them up.
Salmon never stops losing or starting fires.
If you start acting like a monster, even if your enemies act like monsters, you have personally lost the war.
He still got grenades
You think they all gonna stand still while he blows them up?
Love him or hate him Elon Musk said one of the wisest things I’ve heard when asked about morality of a country. He said no country is perfect, but I think a big part that shows you who we are, is, how we treat our prisoners of war
Saying this he ofc knew about Guantanamo Bay, so infact he said "The US Governments morality is non existant and far inferior to that of these poor SS soldiers"
I’m not taking the word of anything that apartheid beneficiary has to say about morality.
He still had a grenade on him so 😅.
*counting his rounds*
"Now hang on just one second!"
1944 :"Jesus, Captain, they're SS"
2023: "standing ovation in the Canadian parliament".
Based Ukrainians fighting their oppressors
The issue I have with the unloading tge rifle scene is he's a GI he has ammunition on him anyway he could quick easterly reload
Am not and never been, military and cannot think like one, but the point here, I think, was the message conveyed to Joe from his superior: Son, I know this is hell but you MUST keep it together and remain focused if we all want to make it out of here, (meaning war), alive.
Winters proved since day one his leadership and judgement. As a soldier, you could rely on that.
The point is by the time he reloaded the group of 10 remaining ss would drop the fuck out of joe
He gave him one bullet, but he still had his grenades😌
The better you treat the prisoner the move cards you have when negotiating on the diplomatic table.
My father was in the Fighting 79th. He seldom spoke about the war but sometimes when we were alone out hunting he’d open up. He told me once that they had some SS who surrendered. After turning over their weapons, they began taunting my father and the other Americans, daring them to kill them; they cursed them and said that if dad and them were prisoners, they would kill all of them. He also added that nearly all of them were well educated, spoke English better than my father and his brother soldiers. They were evil to the core.
I never got this scene. What if one of the prisoners went psycho on Liebgott. He would have had to shoot him with his one round. And then the other prisoners would have jumped him anyway.
Yeah but he knew taking them back to camp was code for killing them
They wouldn't have known there was only 1 round
Yeah it’s a little weird. Almost like he was punishing him.
Well it's exactly what happened, according to history. For reasons unknown to us, Winters made the call. Perhaps he had intel we aren't shown regarding surrendering Germans that made him trust they wouldn't "go psycho." Regardless, Liebgott had a reputation for harsh treatment of prisoners, but Liebgott needed to get patched up, so Winters made do.
@@avromostlund5166 Could be that German troops didn’t usually do that. Don’t have sources for that but from what I understand they played pretty fairly in WW2 compared to say, the Japanese. Or at least they didn’t get too desperate.
You take his ammo, but not his grenade
He still has clips AND at least 1 grenade.
“You got one round so that if you drop one the rest will jump you”
“What if they jump me even if I don’t drop one of them?”
“It’s a risk I’m willing to take because you’re a bit of an asshole”
SS is never good.
Almost everyone though, some were there because they're too good to be some regular officers who look like only loyal to Germany not Hitler. And you can still say the same thing today, not every Russian soldier loyal to Putin, just Russia and it's their duty.
Ross..exceptional job!!
Even back then they knew how bloodthirsty the tiny hat gang was and now it's on full display in Palestine.
He was a Roman Catholic
@@shaydowsith348
His mother was jewish
@@shaydowsith348His mom was a converso.
We fought the wrong enemy
Who were we supposed to fight then
You haven’t fought anything but your fat belly while trying to find your Willy
Y'know, this is the second time I've seen Movie Insight fave a fashy comment like this. Once might be a slip of the finger. Twice is unnerving.
@@Dracalis Considering that globalism is destroying Europe something which was warned about from the other side, can you blame them?
Can you also blame people when they learn the allies sided with a regime which killed 15 million before ww2 and they had tens of millions living under their tyranny? Soviets didn't stop there, they mistreated millions of minorities too.
Yes, I can. Nice try.
He had a 1911 too 😉🤟
WTF ! ¿ Which side R you ! ¿ tell that captn' " Yes SIR " U BETTER BELIEVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even off a full clip he would've still had 8 rounds. Could he hit a reload before the other 3 (assuming he hit all 8 on the first go around) got to him. Doubtful.
Math aint mathin'!
They’re in a line so 1 bullet could hit 2. Also, they surrendered. They got slaughtered and were done fighting. Why risk being one of those 8?
You are very bad at Math, yes. But you're even worse at basic logic.
He's teaching a friend a lesson. He's very clearly not disarming him. Still has the sidearm and grenades.
The point was he was the only person shooting the medics. He needed to knock it off. He got taken off the line and retasked before he could do more things he'd regret.
Capt Winters gave him a lesson in Mercy
They're SS, you could argue none of them deserved to make it back to battalion hq
SS are elite. That means they get told things the Wehrmacht don't. That means intel. Which means they are, unfortunately, more valuable alive than dead.
no they need prisoners not because of morality but because of intelligence, prisoners carry valuable information and a common infantryman will more than likely spill information after capture than face death
Well them surrendering makes that battle a hell of a lot less costly. you want that to keep happening and people don't tend to surrender as easily if they think you'll shoot them either way. Killing prisoners is stupid.
We could argue that Peiper thought the same thing in Malmedy
You realize a large part of the SS were conscripts, right?
Joe, I ain’t got time to bleed!
The dumbest thing Winters did. How would he have felt if the prisoners jumped the guy cuz winters took all of his ammo except one? Tbh it was a pretty despicable thing to do.
That's why he gave him the one rund, so they wouldn't jump him unless he already expended that shot.
@@chrisbeer5685 .... so I see you and winters have the same problem with math. Even if he still has one bullet, if your the prisoners why not jump him. At most he kills one of you. Ten of you go free. That's great odds for a chance at freedom.
It would’ve also be despicable if Winters knowingly sent the POWs to their deaths knowing that Liebgott had it in for them and was bloodthirsty…..
@@chrisbeer5685one shot may not even be lethal, and he would still have 10 other soldiers to deal with. Very risky move
@@ren7a8ero He wouldn't have ten soldiers to deal with, because none of the germans will volunteer to be shot by being the first to jump him.
Not risky at all once you understand human psychology and that war is not a video game.
With a little practice and much malice I don't need bullets.
A real man.
He still has a grenade on his chest lol
That's one way to stop a war crime...
The grenade on his chest: 👹
"you have one bullet to deter them... I'm taking your weapon so you can't deter them"
Baltor was so good i heard people trynna bring him back in the new seasons
He actually responded to his captain with "Damn it, what?" lmao
Yeah and the Captain lets it slide because hes a company grade officer with a functioning brain..the rarest of species.basically a unicorn 🦄
This guy was a bad notherfker in real life. Brilliant too
Prisoners keep dying on the man, leave him alone!
He left him with his grenades, lmao.