Kioti, McCormick, & LS Cab Tractors!
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2020
- Kioti had a prototype 25 horsepower compact tractor with cab that includes air conditioning and heat! Is it too good to be true? Tractor Time with Tim gives all the details. Then he, Ken from boltonhooks.com and Jason from greentractortalk.com review two other compact tractors with cabs. They highlight ergonomic features, placement of loader controls and much more. The National Farm Machinery Show is a great place to try out the huge number of compact tractors now on the market!
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Kioti’s are nice tractors I have two neighbors with them one’s A 3510 open station and the other ones A 4510 cab with loader and rear snowblower that machine was perfect for cleaning all the snow we had this year
That Kioti is very well featured!
Kioti Knocked it out of the ballpark
Thanks for a great video Tim. When I was shopping for a new tractor a little more than a year ago, 3 things drew me to the LS brand. #1 LS already had several standard features that their competitors are just now starting to include such as the telescoping 3 point draw bars, the external 3 point lift linkage, and 2 rear hydraulic remotes, all very handy! #2 Dollar for dollar, LS is an all around beefer machine. More robust and better priced. #3 LS had already been making New Holland's Boomer series for years, and I really liked the Boomer's features when I looked at them several years ago.
Tim, I have a CK2610HST.
I don't have a cab or air but I've not had a need for anymore horsepower than I have. I've used the bucket for moving dirt. A grapple for working in the woods for firewood. A posthole digger for fence posts. A 2 bottom plow for the garden. A landscape rake. A finish mower along with a brush hog. A carry all for hauling wood out.
It's been plenty powerful and a well made tractor.
I have a CK2610HST and it's not underpowered, I don't know how much the A/C will rob in up. I run a 5' tiller and a 5' brush hog and have plenty of power.
Its about 2 hp for the AC
Tim, thought it was really neat to have people do the with tractor time with Tim at the end. Good job at the show.
I like the wing windows on my Kubota and as he pointed out on the LS, I use those for communicating as much as I do for the fresh air.
My prediction: as Kioti gains market share, in 2021 John Deere comes out with a 1025R with a cab that adds air conditioning (they have a Mauser cab with heat now) air ride seat, self leveling bucket, true 3rd function, and adjustable 3 piont. Competition causes consumers to win. 👍
Napoleon Ohio!!!! Awesome not to far from me. That Kioti looks good. Id be interested in it with that price.
Nice job and thanks on the tractor feature videos, Have a Blessed Day!
Yo! Tim. I have a 2013 Kubota B2920 with 29 hp, 4X4 R-4 tires and loader, with soft cab. It has 3 range transmission. No complaints here on HP. In a word! CAN DO! Sorry, that is two words. Nice video. You look good in among ORANGE. Getting ready for the snow sorm coming tonight. 2/25/2020 God bless.
I have owned 4 Kiotis. I bought a 2019 NX6010 HST to replace me DK 55 that I have had for 12 years and has been awesome! The NX6010had 5.5 hours on it when I picked it up from the dealer. It broke down on me the first day I used it. Over the next three weeks it broke down so many times that the dealer ended up buying it back from me. I understand that I probably got a lemon but I was super disappointed. I will say that when it was running the A/C in the cab was amazing. Not bashing the brand just sharing my experience.
I think after all the ones you looked at, the Kioti was the most impressive. We have a dealer not too far from here, and I've thought about checking them out before. Tim, You're just expanding my horizons. I used to be a very devout International Harvester guy because of our small family farm. (Where we mainly have 1970's and 1980's IH tractors.) I recently purchased a 1025r... and I'm liking it. I would have never considered a Kioti before buying the deere, and I wouldn't have considered the deere before your videos! (Of course, I had to confess, CaseIH doesn't have much in the way of the subcompact market.)
Almost 100k subs! I pray you get there this month.
I know this video is over a year and half old, but I like to see videos like these that compare the different brands of tractors and to see what each brand is offering.
Nice review! I was looking at these. Still a John Deere fan and very happy with my 790. Really like the cab!
After shopping around i bought the Kioti CK3510SE. absolutely love it and it seems like it has more power than it is rated for.
Tim I have a DK 45 2005 model and it has all of the features this new one has plus self levelling bucket but it is open station. I have had it 6 years now and minimal repairs- some hoses, ignition switch, and that's about it. Regular maintenance of course. The tires were tubeless and loaded but that is on the previous owner. Last year I had to have tubes installed as the tires were starting to weep but again I wouldn't put that on the tractor. It has been reliable and starts in all weather (eastern Canada) with no block heater. If I get another tractor it will be a Kioti. Btw chains make a big difference in deep snow or icy conditions.
I love Kioti...bought a 2008 and still running strong...
Good review Tim. Good job👍
I have a kubota l2501 and with it being gear drive it's a bit more efficient than a hydrostatic drive I can run a 5ft shredder through waist high grass loader functions well and can lift anything the other L series tractors can. I'd imagine this Kioti would be the same minus a bit less PTO capacity do to the hydrostatic transmission. It should run a 4ft shredder but be able to do great loader or box blade work. Basically a very comfortable utility chore tractor. Great for mowing fence lines as well.
One of your prior videos on Kioti tractors convinced me to buy a CK3510 SE about a year ago. That was after owning nothing but John Deere tractors for 20 years.
I have never regretted the purchase. I got a lot more features for a lot less money.
My only complaint with the Kioti was the right hand brake pedal. It my work great on level ground. It does not work well on sloping ground where you need to have your foot on the hydro pedal & brake pedal at the same time. Luckily on the Kioti CK10 SE models, it is very east to add a left side brake pedal. My dealer & Kioti said it could not done, but I did it & it works great.
What kind of tires were those on the Kioti CK2610SE?
Tim, the Kioti seems to have the weight built into the tractor vs adding a bunch of tractor weights and liquid to tires. The larger cubic inches provides more torque to compensate for the lower hp.
it seems like the kioti were the best of the bunch
I happen to own a Kioti CK3510. It does a great job for what I bought it for!
Me too...love it! A lot less than Kubota.
I have a Kioti ck3510se cab with a 72" snowblower that it handles with no problem.
it's all fine and dandy until you need parts. parts availability stinks!
@@captainstabbin9338
Maybe it's just you. My Kioti dealer is also my dealer for all of my mowers and 2 cycle gear...trimmers, chainsaws, etc. I haven't had many issues, but the service has been great and no issues with parts.
Has anyone owned the IH Mcormick brand? Are parts easy get?
My 51 8N has the crank adjustable 3 pt link. Lots of features on that tractor. Don't know if it has the horses for a brush hog, tiller, or snow blower.
JD and Kubota have a 25 hp 3 and L series respectively, no cab with AC. GP Outdoors has a Kubota B2601 and regularly runs a brush hog, mower, and snowblower.
Interesting on the adjustable 3-point arm. My 1953 Ferguson has that feature. You would think all tractors would have that. When using a rear blade to drag a driveway, etc it is almost necessary to have one. Especially when the blade is angled much like a real road grader.
Excellent video Tim ! Interesting how many manufacturers seem to place levers and switches where your elbow naturally sits ... behind 98% of my tractor usage is loader work , that would be one of the biggest deal breakers ... even though so much other is fantastic value ... that would drive me batty . Thanks again ttwt for another fantastic video
You would be better suited in a compact loader.
Nice video Tim, Kenny and Jason. 👍Jdmich
💥 I’m starting g to like those Kioti tractors more and more. I always see a lot of crossover from Kubota in the Kioti brand. Great video!
Keep on tractoring 👍
A RITTER BIT WILL DO I love mine so much I have 2 now
It seems to have mid size tractor features in a compact design...
A RITTER BIT WILL DO I’ve got the kioti ck3510se cab model. I’ve had it for 4 months. Been plowing family driveways this winter here in Vermont along with my dad who uses a kubota rtv. I’ve got 45 hours on it. It’s working very well so far. The cab sure is nice in winter. We’ll see how it does long term.
I have the CK3510SE open station. It's been a great machine. Been running a 66" flail mower behind it to clear out some brush/vines and it's been chewing through everything I've tossed at it.
Daniel GW I’m considering a flail myself someday. Glad to hear you are having good luck with it. Sounds like you’re probably using hammers on it rather than knives for what you’re mowing 🤔
I bought a Kioti 2510 2yrs ago and they had the 2610 back then! Its not new!! Im in Pa..
tom, the cab version CK2610se is new.
The Kioti with 25 hp has absolute No problem with air-condition and hydraulic, it is working awesome, I just love my Kioti
We showed the Kioti CX2610 with a/c. Discussed our findings there.
Oh boy! A real temptation for a die hard John Deere owner. Keep me posted.
Paid 25 for Kubota bx 23s and that Kioti with a cab is very nice. Really want the backhoe.
Tim, I looked at that Kioti as well. I really like that they and a lot of the Korean tractors offer a true automotive electric rear window defroster. Wish Deere would follow suit. One negative thing I noticed (and maybe the larger Kioti cabs are this way as well), the Freon lines for the A/C are very much exposed at the base of the cab. You captured this in the video with the hydraulic line close up. They are made of thin aluminum and can be easily damaged by branches ect,... Another neat thing that Kioti does with their SCV’s is they offer them with a detent position. So this allows the use of a backhoe without having to add a power beyond kit. Representative told me this.
Excellent info Jeff. Shoulda had you there when we shot the video!
You did not ask,......😁
congrats on 100k TIM!
A very interesting group of tractors! Free market competition pushes the industry to improve their products. Definitely to the customers advantage just as Doug A remarked.
Agreed!
Tim , I have the 2610 kioti. No cab. Love it so far. It only has about a 10 mph road speed. It will lift a lot with front end loader (1835lbs) and (1600ish on 3pt). With no weights or fluid in rear wheels it will lift to about 8 ft high.
I think I'd like to replace my current 3pt adjustable arm bracket with one of those old screw lever styles. where could one pick those up?
Great video Tim. Really enjoy your videos.
Thanks! Appreciate you watching!
My question would be in regards to the speed of the hydraulics with the limited horsepower. Then as you said ac compressor, alternator, power steering, all drawing on the power??? Will be interesting to see how it goes
As a Kioti owner I would be more concerned with parts availability over resale. i have to drive almost 100 miles to get to a dealer that has parts when i need them the local guys barely have filters
There are dealers that will ship parts. There are lots of filters for sale on EBAY.
You have that right i have to have my parts shipped just got the mid pto seal and shipping was more than the part !! :-(
I had a Kioti CK25 and loved it. Unfortunately my local dealer went out of business so parts were an issue.
love the tractor comparisons. I've seen you do most every brand now except for Branson. any particular reason? or just haven't got there yet?
Tim, I’ve owned a b2650 and b3350 and the 2650 would run circles around the 33 horse 3350 with emission control. hated the 3350 as it was a nightmare and spent most of its time in the shop. I have almost 600 hours on the b2650 with no issues. I have more power than I need running my tiller and rotary cutters.
Yea, understood. The 3350 has not been a quality machine. Pretty much everyone agrees on that.
I’m not sure this experience can be extrapolated to the rest of the DPF world.
I liked the feature of the pto turning off as the lift arms reach a certain height on the Kioti. I hope I understood that correctly. Using a tiller I find when raising it too high my driveline gets in a bind when it’s engaged, this feature would help in that situation. The adjustable hand crank on the McCormick lift arm is old technology. Massey Ferguson had that setup years ago. Both my 135 and 245 Massey has that, 1970’s models. Have a good one!
Of course it is old. Our old Oliver’s has the crank. Too bad most newer machines do not have it!
Tractor Time with Tim yeah I don’t understand it other then the fact they can get stripped out. So much easier to adjust then the new styles. I can do it from the seat on those old Massey’s.
Good video Tim, I think that was a valid concern about the HP running the tractor and A/C, I even heard people stress concern over this even with a 3033R. I could picture brush hogging and possibly running into HP issues with everything running at the same time. Last summer at Empire Farm Days I was told my a JD corp. rep that they have plans some time this year for an external A/C unit for the Mauser cab on the 10/2025R cabs, but that would be a rooftop unit because they realize that 25 HP would struggle to run everything.
That would be my concern too... I guess depending on what they're using it for. Can't forget to minus HP loss from transmission/hydraulics.
Ahh just the torque and torque rise of a diesel helps alot.
I own one running air and bush hogging doesn’t skip a beat. Way more power and comfort compared to John Deere similar model.
@@mainsickle7913 I've since moved up to a JD 3039R and have the found the A/C and heat work very well.
Ty for sharing 👍👍👍
Son de lo mejor yo tengo uno de esos y lo AMO
Great video Tim, I could watch tractor reviews all day. As someone else stated not all 25hp engines are created equal, you need to look at cubic inches and torque. I had a B2650 cab and it ran my 5ft mower and 64in snow blower no problem. I hear all kind of hp figures for what it takes to run the ac, It would be awesome if you could put a tractor on a dyno and check pto hp with the ac on and off.
The newer AC refrigerant oils have very low drag on a AC conpressor. Plus the compressor doesn't run constant... it cycles.
A/C on my 3046R runs constant.
@@jeffreyallan2545 Well yes it will blow cold air out of vents. But the AC compressor MUST cycle or else it will freeze up! Next time its on watch the AC compressor clutch click off and on..
Well lookee there...it only took 1 Kioti video to get to 100,000 subs! Lol. Well done, and this was a fun video.
Ha! Well, we DO have one more Kioti video (3510 test drive from a couple years ago!
I'm loving those r14 tires.
The best first 5 minutes of any TTWT video I have ever seen. But I am a little bias in my opinion. You need to test drive a CK2610se. I own the CK2610 in a shuttle shift and it doesn't act like a 25 hp tractor. Feels more like a 35 to me. Wish you were closer. I would let ya play on my Kioti for the day.
Ha! Yea, wish I could take your tractor for a spin!
Hi Tim,I know this is alittle off subject here but can you get more aggressive teeth for the 260b backhoe? Do they sell them anywhere that you might know
Heyhey Tim The Kubota B2601 has a 3 range transmission. Just a FYI
Nice job 👍
How much is a Kioti air filter? My Mahindra max is now $75.00 This is up from $40.00 just a year ago.
Hi Tim that was a nice looking Kioti i would love it if they would get a new dealer around us i like to look at the new tractors i seen in the back it looks like they have put a thumb on the CS backhoe now ! but it look like you had alot of fun !!! PS where is my Kioti Hat i told Tony you was going to get me one !! LOL Have a great week !!!! Kioti Curt :-)
I should have asked for a Kioti hat!!
Very interesting. I like seeing what is available in the market. Still loyal to my Deere but wonder if Deere will implement some of those creature features on the 3pt? another great video!
Well the BIGGER Deere has 3 pt and remote buttons on the rear fenders...
100k congratulation ttwt
Ai sim em belos Tractor
Didn’t recognize you with your weight loss, you look great keep it up 👍
Marauder Mitchelli he’s been working hard and doesnt have time to eat burgers.
Bobcat compact tractors are the same as the kioti tractors, just different colors and logos. So if anyone looking at either one of those and distance of dealership is a factor you have a choice.
Keep in mind not all 25hp's are created the same. HP is just a small consideration (just like with mowers and zero turns) , more importantly would be the cubic inch of the engine. Kioti has 26hp with a 100 ci engine already. That would be the same size as the Kubota L2501's 25hp, and their L3301's 33hp engine. Some nice standard features. I'd be very interested in the cab height, would be nice to have a tractor this size that had a cab that could fit in a 7ft door. The r14 tires are really catching on.
Would that 2610 fit in a garage with a 7 foot door ? Or what is the height of the cab ?
Très belle vidéo
Très beau tracteurs
Doivent être très agréable à conduire
J'aimerais bien les essayer
J'adore 😀
These 25HP non emission tractors use large displacement engines...not a lot of horsepower but more torque than expected. In practice they work well, especially with a 3 range HST
Yea my l2501 is torquey and my loader specs are the same as the 3301 and 3901. Still limited to a 5ft shredder 5ft tiller and other similar powered Implements. Very capable. I haven't tried a hydrostat one yet I have a gear drive. Overall they do not feel underpowered if you stay within its rated capacity. It did run a 6.5ft tiller one day but it was everything it had lol
The McCormick is made by LS ,like many of the Newhollands are.I also think the seats on some of the LS/Newholland models seem very low .
or Italy
McCormick is made by Branson
I love my ls xr 4140 shuttle shift
Those kioti tractor look nice but the HP is something to think about. But it is a sharp looking tractor. Thanks Tim
Not to worry, It also comes in 35 or 40 HP.
Where are all these tractor shows you go to? Do they do them at the convention center in Indy?
NFMS in Louisville Ky. Mid February. Best show in the nation. nationalfarmmachineryshow.org
Wish the tractor companies would offer manual transmission as well. Cause I like that blue one yall showed. But also JD.
Kioti offers manual & hydorstat transmissions all of their models, except the sub compact CS models.
LS has manual offer too.
@@chrisrosenb That's also what I want. In the subcompact tractors
What brand was the blue one ???
John Deere offers a 3025E ,so maybe this Kioti. Is not under powered?
I am going to look up tractor data on the Kioti to see the actual PTO hp rating and weight of this unit if its available.
Like Tim said the resale might not hold up but all in all look at what your paying.
The RK 37 with a cab a/c heat and radio has an attractive price to. around 24,000.Plus if you purchase a loader the tires are loaded not a bad deal.Plus an 8 year power train warranty.
Even the back hoe for the RK37 is priced at $5999.00 7.5 foot digging depth.
I'd like to see Tim do a side by side loader lift with the RK 37 and the 2038R ,to see which one picks up the most.
Tim, I'm guessing the night before this video was shot was a good one 😂
Well, we are more 'boring' than you might imagine! Especially Christy and I.
But we did eat well every evening of the show!
The kioti is nice. To me it looks the same size as a 3025e. The 3025e has the same hp as the 1025r. I always thought the 3025e was underpowered with its size and weight.
The 3025e has a 2 range transmission. The Kioti CK2610 has a 3 range transmission. The 3 point & loader lift are also a lot higher on the Kioti.
AWESOME 😎😊🙂😀
Would;dn't it be great if you could take want you like from each make and make one tractor out of it.
Big Bear Hungry : That will make your life too easy 😃
Question: Now that you have had the Versa Turf tires for 4 months how do they compare to the R4 tires?
Haven’t used the tractor much over winter, but I’m happy with them.
@@TractorTimewithTim Maybe this spring you could do a review on the Versa Turf tires.
An 8N and 9N Ford is only 18 and 22 horsepower respectively and they seem to handle to 14 inch plows pretty well I'm I am like you though I would rather take the ck2510 with the smaller frame and larger horsepower seems like you get more power for your money that way
Hey Tim... I seen a vid by Tractor Mike down there on Bob Cat Tractors. Sounds like their going to start getting aggressive towards the compact tractor market. Have you had a chance to check them out while you were down there? Almost bought a Kioti two years ago, really liked the cab too but happy with JD...
We didn't shoot anything at this show with Bobcat. ..but we talked with them back in October. Did you miss it? If so, here it is... czcams.com/video/CJNE_vtdK98/video.html
Demo time with Tim DTWT
Cool maybe rubber cab mounts .apples an oranges and blueberries
What price do you have on this
Could you do a 1025r vs 2038r comparison video for those considering going up in size and power?
Congrats on hitting 100k!
Well, you can see the loader lift portion of the comparison, as we recently did the 2038r loader lift test
Only 200 more subscribers till you hit 100k Tim!
If you look the Kubota B2650 has a factory cab and has same hp as this kioti
The Kioti cab machine looks very nice. You made me think about the hp. Is it conceivable that the 25hp rating is understated? Similar to what you/we discovered when you dyno tested Johnny.
Hard to know either way.
Unless, you petition the finance committee and purchase one🤣
the kioti ck2610 has the same engine as the ck35 had that was 35 hp,also the engine has over 100 cu in wich helps with torque
Nice :)
Recently saw a few Rural King tractors. They are TYM with Yanmar motors. I was impressed by the features they offer at the price.
I hesitate at the idea of spending that much money on a piece of equipment like that. Still the price for a 30 something hp cab tractor with loader of 24k, dang.
I have the rk55. I've uploaded a few videos on my channel with it working on projects. Been a great tractor so far, and I really work it not baby it.
Tooooo short :) Info was great!
Sorry!
Tim, for more Kioti information check out our local 5paw dealers channel "Larry Stovesand Equipment ".
Well... I suppose they could - should, actually, as cars do - have the AC compressor cut out as the fuel injection pump approaches maximum fuel flow.
Hi Tim and Christy all the tractors have there pros and cons but the only way you can find out if it does what it says is to test it out and there is no better man to do that than you Tim
Yes. I’m interested in this test
@@TractorTimewithTim i am looking forward to you doing the test Tim it will give you all the answers
In theory 25 horsepower would be enough depending on the hydraulic setup though it may be very slow the power is possible
15 Years ago these off brand tractors and dealers started opening up around me. I have seen them come and go dealers have changed names or closed down and the brands they service and sell change every year or 2. The only thing that has stayed the same is the JOHN DEERE and the CASEIH dealer. I own both and JOHN DEERE parts availability is 2nd to none. The CASEIH dealer has had KUBOTA for 25 years but the parts man says sometimes if you need a KUBOTA part that is not a filter belt or hose it can very hard to get and sometimes not at all. Buyer beware.
Same goes for these off brands. Parts availability stinks!
How much HP does the a/c rob? Is that 25hp engine or PTO? Like you mentioned, HP may be limited.
Resale value doesn't matter to me at all... Take care of the machine, and if someday decide to sell, it should still bring a decent price as long as no major repeat issues.
To be under the Teir4 restrictions, the engine has to be under 25HP.
Generally all brands advertise the HP from the flywheel not the PTO. But it would be cool like the REAL OLD tractors had they showed both!
My question is will any of these tractors
Be around in 50 or more yrs like old 8 an 9 ns an lots of older brands still around
Today people still have and use today ?
Only time will till look back around 2065 or later rite
John Deere can learn a lot from LS and Kioti with Base standard equipment.
Rightsize foot pedals look like custom fit design per operator would be an easy Mod
What is he SHOW PRICE for the CK3510SE - both cabbed and non-cabbed version?