My new Epson p9570 - what's new compared to the p9000
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- čas přidán 21. 10. 2020
- So far a lot of nice new features:
00:54 It's heavier
02:34 TIP: Installing ink
03:25 Power and connection ports more convenient
03:46 Touch panel control (no more buttons)
04:11 Interior Light
04:31 Paper handling system
05:22 New 2.6" head and 12 ink system (no pk/mk ink swapping)
07:31 TIP: Use larger cartridge size for PK, Gray, and Light Gray
08:19 Large alert indicator (you can see it from across the room)
08:25 New basket, extends several feet to accommodate long prints
09:20 Head is accessible for cleaning
10:29 TIP: swap maintenance tanks before right one fills up
12:52 New loading procedure for roll paper
14:39 Driver will now recognize paper data entered in printer
16:26 New method to load cut sheets
17:50 Gamut comparisons to p9000
20:28 TIP: load cut sheets horizontally to speed up printing
21:10 Black Enhanced Overcoat ??
23:15 Making a print
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Great review Wayne. This was very helpful. I appreciate it.
Thanks. Glad it was helpful.
Very informative video, thx for your effort!
thank you, very helpful we are installing one next week and the video really helps
Glad it helped
Thanks Wayne.
The/your video is worth its weight in gold for prospective shoppers x.
This is such a great video. Thanks
Glad you liked it!
Very informative. Your videos are all excellent. I'm considering either a P7570 (actually 7530 in Thailand where I live) or P7000 which is now much cheaper. Time will show what I can afford.
Thanks for the video. My P9000 is just beginning to crap out so I was doing some prelim research on the 9570. This video helps!
My 9900 lasted about 7 years. My P9000 just over a year (freshly out of warranty). Hope the 9579 is more like the 9900!
sry to hear your p9000 was a problem. The head seems to be performing well in my 20000, we've had it over 3 years.
Excelente vídeo 😎👌🏿💯… I actually plan on getting one very soon.
Let me know how you feel about it when you do.
@@cwaynefox definitely 😎👌🏿💯
Good video. We've had many of the same experiences. It's faster, has a couple of new features that are nice. Being able to use Photo black and Matte black without switching is nice, and the added speed is nice. We do however get a lot of skew errors, many more than ever before with the p-9000. We constantly get the "paper meandering" error, and yes, loading different papers is a long process. Epson really needs to work on the software part of the LCD panel. Many times it tells you to close the cover, and then open it again, then close it again, as if it can't make up its mind.
Thanks for the comments. I have also found skew errors are more common, seems most large prints on roll paper by then end I’m getting the error. Doesn’t affect the prints, but I have to unload and reload the paper. As far as the door, I haven’t seen any issues with inadvertent requests to open or close the door.
While I could easily get my SP9900 roll media running straight, my P9560 roll media would skew. No mater how much care I took in loading it. It was turning into a big issue for me. I wanted my P9560 to handle paper like my old SP9900. So in the P9560 paper settings, I turned off "skew reduction" and "Lateral Feed Adjustment", and in the general settings I disabled the "auto paper loading". I've not had a skewing problem since with my P9560.
Love the videos Wayne. Super clear and to the point. I am looking to invest in an Epson printer for my business and I'm curious about which route to go. I'm looking into a Epson Surecolor P900 for smaller stuff and the Epson P9570 for the larger format prints. Can this P9570 do pretty much everything that the P900 can? I don't want to spend that extra money if this printer can do really small prints as well. Thank you for your time!
The 9570 can’t print smaller prints, 8.5x11 or maybe 8x10 but nothing smaller. No sheet feeder so one at a time. Sheet feeder is nice if u are printing quite a few prints unattended. I print 7x10 art cards and the 900 is a better solution for that
Nice video.could this model print an canvas(polyester,cotton)?thanks.
Regarding the recommendation to load sheets with the short side first. Could it be that the paper feed will be able to steer the paper better that way? I for example, always choose to cut the short sides first when cutting papers in the paper cutter (not the printer) becuase I think the results gets better.
I don't think so. I've fed 1,000s of sheets this way. I think it's because all of the paper sizes are based on vertical sizes and they don't offer an option to turn the paper. So they recommend this because that's all they've put into the driver. to feed the paper horizontally you have to create your own custom paper sizes, and a "portrait" image becomes a landscape image to the printer and vice versa, so it can get a little confusing.
Whats your reccomendation on inks. The. cartridges are pretty high priced from ive looked. Do you refill your cartridges?
Hi, I just discovered your channel and I'm surprised by the amount of knowledge you share. I have been printing my works for a year on an Epson P900, or rather I am learning to do it correctly. I just changed to a medium format Fuji system and the p900 became a bit small. I would like to print my photos in a larger size and was thinking about the p9500/p9570. I watched your video about the Epson P9570 and if I understood correctly, to enjoy nice prints, I need to profile the printer. With p900 I didn't have to do this, I only set the correct color management in the system I use and Photoshop. I come to the conclusion that the p9570 printer is only for advanced users and a person with less experience will not get good prints from it. Greetings from Poland. Sorry for any mistakes, I used a translator. Kind regards.
I’m not quite sure of your workflow, but the 2 printers operate pretty much identically when printing from photoshop. Whatever workflow you are using, if it is delivering prints you are happy with on the p900, the 9570 should offer the same results using the same workflow. Epson provides very good profiles for their printers, and so whether you are having photoshop manage colors and using the included epson profiles, or whether you are allowing the printer to manage the color you should get nearly identical results from either printer.
@@cwaynefox Thank you for your answer. I was going to order a printer today but I received links with videos about the p9570. I must admit that I am shocked that the printer would cause so many problems. Have you also encountered them while using it?
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Excellent video, as are your other videos. However, I did not see any more recent videos describing your experiences with making prints with the 9570. As you probably know, the online forums are filled with reports of problems owners have had with the 7570/9570 printers using fine art photo roll papers like the baryta papers from Hanemuhle and Canson. Head strikes, paper scuffing, ink smearing, roll paper detaching from the core, and “double printing.” I just installed a 9570 to replace my aging 9900 and have already encountered several of these issues with the very first 36” roll of Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta Satin paper, including the paper detaching from the core. I am curious to know what roll papers you are using, if you have run into these issues so far, and how you may have resolved them. Epson is recommending increasing the platen gap to 2.4, the widest setting, to deal with the head strikes, but I am unsure about the effects on print resolution of doing that.
The 9570 is my fourth large format Epson printer going back to the Epson 10000 from 2001. I have never experienced these issues before with any of the papers I have used, so I am quite wary now about the 9570.
I’ve had little issues, other that some head strikes on some very curly Hahnemuhle Bamboo paper which was resolved using a few setting modifications (more suction, more tension, wider platen gap. I found a setting of 1.6 was enough. According to Dano Steinhardt from Epson, widening the platen gap doesn’t make the print “soft” which is the logical assumption most of us make so we avoid it. He says it doesn’t work that way, and I know I can’t see any difference when going to 1.6. I haven’t anything bigger than that.
the way I avoided it before printing on the thicker papers, I would run the paper past the bottom exit rollers using full suction platter gap did not due much , this does waste a lot of paper
Thank you for the video. Do you have any issues using 310g roll paper? I got alot of head scratch on the print, especially on Ilford gold fibre Silk.
Try creating a custom paper in the printer menu with the correct paper thickness instead of using an epson equivalent. Also in the custom paper setup I would try increasing the pull back tension ,the suction amount and a platen gap setting of 1.6
@@cwaynefox Thank you, I finally get rid of it by create the custom paper with max roll tention, max paper suction, 2.4 platen gap, wider platen gap, paper thickness 0.40mm, 10 seconds dry time by pass. So far it look good to me. but i still wondering if i lost the sharpness?
hi i just purchsed a SC-P9000 for an auction, seems fully loaded nothing missing, came with some spare parts! any advice or things i should look for before use and also what type of project would you use this printer the most for?
I guess run a nozzle check and make sure it’s all functioning. I use it to print high end photographs, I guess it would work for signs/graphcis as well.
Hi has anyone figured the siuation with wiping the print head? I have come into a situation where the print head is cleaning itself way more than usual. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Shortly after making the video I discovered you can’t actually wipe the entire head. When you open up the back to “clean the head”, the nozzles themselves are protected. It looks to me like all you can do is clean excess ink from the top and bottom of the head. My printer doesn’t get used enough where this is a problem. I might open it up some day just to see what kind of ink build up I might be getting in various places on the head.
I wonder if the -70 isnt just a region code. its called the scp9530 here in Asia (Thailand). Ink cartridges are not compatible across different regions.
interesting. Thanks for the info. Makes more sense now. Odd that ink cartridges aren't compatible. I assume that's something in the chip, and not a physical difference.
You're right Francois. In Australia it is P9560.
sorry for the dumb question, but there is any way to put more than one paper sheet or do you have to feed the machine 1 by 1?
no sheet feeding mechanism on these large format printers. One sheet at a time. Most of the time the printer is loaded with roll paper and prints are cut as they are printed. sheets are for those odd jobs, or for some papers that are thick and aren't available on rolls.
@@cwaynefox Thank you!
question, can this be used for sublimation ink?
I suppose it could.
any issues with it yet? seems like there are many problems with this printer. i was going to order one but now im on the fence
I haven't had any real issues. It's cleaning a little more than the p9000, but it seems most of these printers clean when you power them up a little more often when they are new. I think the p9000 and p5000 both exhibited this. I love the ability to use mat ink easily, I've never been into B&W much but with mat papers B&W is really appealing.
There are both good and bad points to the P9570. It's fast. That's good. It has a light in it, which is really quite nice. You can access the capping station and the head now, which are positive points. And it's easier to sheet feed as they have a dedicated sheet feeding slot. And last but not least, you don't have to switch inks, and that's very nice.
I bought a second P9570 knowing the issues with the first. So I did choose it knowing the problems. In a more normal production environment the problems wouldn't be such an issue, but right now we're going through four 44" rolls a day or more, so the skew issues and paper feed issues are becoming costly and annoying. My hope is to call attention to the shortcomings in a way that Epson can't ignore so we can get some fixes. I personally believe that the fixes necessary are all in the firmware and Epson, if they have the desire to do so, can fix them. But the printer has been out for two years now and the problems persist, so they won't go away unless its clients call attention to the problems and publically call for fixes.
I still have a P9000 and will keep it running until it dies. It's still got a couple years of warranty, and is a consistent workhorse.
What is the value of a p9000. I have one I am trying to get rid of with a spectroproofer 44 on it. What do you guys think it is worth?
really unsure on this, I guess check on eBay and maybe some photographer website for sale forums.
The max resolution of p9000 is 2880 x 1440 dpi, but for p9570 is 1200 x 2400 dpi, does p9570 produce less quality pictures?
No. I have 84” prints from both and I can’t see difference in detail. I love the print quality from this printer.
Great question
Sir, What's the total length of this printer?.. I'm coming from the Epson 7890, which is still making some amazing prints
The printer is 75.25” long.
@@cwaynefox Thanks
what does charging light balck mean?
The printer ships with no ink in it. When you initialize the printer it must fill all of the tubes and head with ink. This is referred to as charging the printer.
Hi I have the p9570 and have been having serious issues with Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta 325 gsm (previously I still have the p9000 with no issues on this paper)
Printing on Canson Lustre RC or Epson Glossy or Luster I do not have these problems.)
Been trying to figure this out for a few days. Was wondering if you have run into these issues.
1. 44 inch roll comes out skewd consistently half the time I can't even get the room into the printer it complains
2. have tried platter gap to wider and widest to not have head strikes, now set on widest for the printer setting , for the paper setting the platter gap is at 2.9
3. if I do a small test print it is in focus 44x 14, if I do a large print 44 x56.5 starts in focus goes out of focus ( I believe it must be the platter gap setting )
Wondering if you are going through this, its become a headache ? By the way awesome videos love it.
I haven't used that specific paper. Rolls of Epson Baryta seem to load fine but I haven't printed any panos yet., on the 9900 on long prints the printer sometimes gives a skew error when its finished making me cut it manually. Let me know if you discover anything.
Also have examples of ghosting blurs
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@@joelwestray9739 yep
Nice video. Finally Epson separated the blacks! That was the main reason why, after my 9900 print head died, I switched to Canon.
Do you know if the print head is now changeable by the user? Another reason why I went to Canon...
It seems they have improved a lot of little things. I love how competition works to make things better :)
Canon print heads are basically printed circuit boards, pretty easy to make relative to the piezo electric technology of the epson. the cost of adding channels for Epson was much higher (thus why it's been so long to add the MK). I think the big change is the head is a single piece now with as many ink channels as they want, before they built it in two channel sections so adding 2 more inks increased the cost by 20%., It really isn't practical to make it user replaceable. The advantage of piezo is more precise droplet size, and a wider variety of droplet sizes available to create the dither. Usually bubble jet (Canon/HP) can only do a couple of droplet sizes.
The 9000 print head was more durable than the 9900, far fewer of those have died (although eventually they will die). For me, by the time the head dies, a better printer is around anyway. I've had a p20000 running for a while now with no head challenges. I don't think my staff knows about the head maintenance for that (similar to the 9570) so I'm wondering if doing that maintenance will help with head life. You can also clean around the capping station as well, so it appears they are trying to help with "gunk" build up around the head, which causes a lot of block nozzles. Personally I think what wears out the heads is the cleaning process to clear nozzles, so the less they clog or get air bubbles, the longer the head will last. That's why those that are used less frequently also seem to die sooner ... they have to go through head cleanings more often.
I've used both Canon and Epson, I've always preferred the rendering from an Epson, and I've never used much matt paper so the mk/pk thing never bothered me. I'm doing more B&W and the 9570 is really neutral and I love the velvet look on matt papers, so that might change.
With todays printers it's pretty hard to see output quality difference between the Epson, Canon, and HP, they all do an outstanding job and produce beautiful prints.
@@cwaynefox Agreed on the similar quality. Here in Italy where I live the Epson assistance was almost non existent that i why at the end I decided to go with Canon.
I have some prints made in the years and I cannot tell if they were made on Canon or Epson just looking at them, specially on matte surfaces. On gloss the Canon transparent ink to avoid bronzing (it goes even faster than the light black on Epson!) can be visible because does really a good job.
I don't know what will be my next printer, having tried both there are thinks I liked and disliked on both, so probably the choice will again be base on assistance and price.
Thanks for the answer.
Why not get another 20000? How would you compare this to P20000?
The 20000 is a workhorse of a printer (and the 44" p10000 has been discontinued). At $12,000 it's quite a bit more expensive, and is really big (64" papers). I still have the 20000 at my store, but this one is in home work space. The 20000 uses 4 blacks but has no additional colors (such as violet, orange, or green) to expand the gamut, where the 9570 has orange, green and violet (and the highest. gamut volume available in Epson printers). To compare, the 20000 gamut volume on Premium luster is 752,871 where as the 9570 is 926,177 and in some highly colorful images I think it might offer some small visual improvements. I think the 20000 is really great for high production facilities, or in cases 44" isn't wide enough. I think the paper loading of the 9570, especially sheets is simpler and more convenient. Overall the size is perfect for my space, and I rarely need anything wider than 44" paper.
Thank You 🙏 I have a 24 inch Epson in my shop and I have been thinking about getting a bigger printer for a long time. I might have a few orders over 44 inches but 44 would also do the job. I was looking at the P10000 before it discontinued and just recently noticed the new 9570. Main reason I wanted a P series was the speed, I was happy to learn 9570 is as fast. My main concern is having more colors means having higher chance of getting clogging issues. I guess the question is if it is worth paying the extra money.
What keeps you motivated ? (not the view count for sure)
Videos like this are just for practice, when I buy something like this it's fun to make a video about it. I'll make more specific videos as time goes on, I get calls and emails all the time about printer problems and color management issues. More of a hobby than anything.
Epson just charged me $1400 for a paper jam on my new 9570
:(((((
Hello Wayne, thank you for the video! I am on the fence between the epson 8000 and the newer 9570. Here in Europe where I live, I can get the epson 8000 for €3000 and I can get the 9570 which is actually called the 9500 here in Europe for €4850.
I’m a photographer and I about to transform my studio into a dual use space Studio/Gallery where I will be printing and exhibiting my work. My budget is not huge, so I’m concerned that that additional €1800 can be spent on paper and ink. Of course, I would always like to buy the latest tech, but if the difference is not very noticeable, I would be happy to spend less money!
Epson does have a promotion with a three year extended on site warranty for free right now on the 9500, whereas the 8000 only has the one year warranty.
I would love your opinion on this decision that I have to make. My previous printer was a canon image Prograf 44 inch that I bought in 2010 or 2011. I got about eight years out of it before it died. Since then I’ve been using an Epson 17” sure color P800 printer .
Thank you in advance for any comments or advice that you will share!
- Mark Tomaras
www.marktomaras.com
any issues with it yet? seems like there are many problems with this printer. i was going to order one but now im on the fence
I haven't had any issues but haven't really worked it hard yet. Where are you seeing these reports? would love to research it a little more.
I saw bad reviews in b&h 😢