I just did 22 miles today of hard and fast riding and got 22 miles down to 20%. Mostly street at 45-55 mph but some really soft sand and river rock areas. Pretty damn impressed!!
For SURE! 45lbs makes a massive difference with ebikes. No reason you couldn't get 50 miles riding like in this video. Which is actually super impressive when you think about the range the old surrons got back in 2018-2020
Great test. Jives with my ~300 miles ridden on 2 brand new Sting R MX4 bikes. I installed a Renthal non O-ring chain on both of them but otherwise they have stock power trains. I ride a mix of roads and trails, a few technical single track sections, a few short hill climbs. I try to use the brakes as little as possible, using regen instead (always on level 4). I use Sport mode exclusively and I ride pretty fast most of the time. My average speed is typically about 28 MPH. For reference I'm just over 200 lbs with gear and 5'10" tall. I get about 40 miles from a full battery. Max speed is around 55 MPH. It's enough for me to get around town and enjoy myself. I'm usually done before the bike is 🙂
@@2909dkthere are some with pedal kits, but its more to get by legalities than to be useful for pedaling. These things are way more powerful than a standard ebike
That’s just fine. I just bought one. I’m happy with that milage. Dirt riding in sport mode should be good for at least 25 miles. More than enough for a nice trail ride. Extra batteries cost around $2,000.00 dollars.
How did it feel for your height ? Thanks for mentioning elevation, so many test without that data .... weight, elevation, mileage, speed and time riding needs to be known for a proper test.
my modded surron for woods riding(ktm 65 forks, 16" rear tire, and gummy tires and 60v 63ah battery) at same power level(8kw) only get a little over 20miles. The dirt and climbing hills really kills range. Didnt do a whole test but just my wife riding gravel on the same setup at 15-20mph would get about 60miles.
@@Apezilla ya buts it's very inconvenient due to the weight and size, you will scratch up the interior. I ended up just buying a motorcycle carrier from harbor freight for like $130 and it's been perfect.
It can happen, there wont be any problems from draining it, the BMS protects the cells from going to low. What's really bad is storing them empty, this can pretty quickly degrade a battery. Just avoid going below 10% because it is unnecessary stress for the battery, but if it happens it should not be a problem.
I know you know this but for the love of your battery don't run it lower than 20% risk of fire is way greater when you go to charge or jump start a charge.
1:55 oh my gosh .. that stock seat has to go. I hope there’s a great seat that comes along and fixes that problem for all Talaria Sting R buyers and owners from all over the world. And whoever makes these glorious replacement seats deserves to sell millions and millions of them too! 🤣
Cut the brown wire to eliminate the speed limiter, if that’s what you mean by unlocking it and install the 2 included rubber battery bumpers to reduce battery rattle from movement during riding.
My Surron Light Bee doesn't cut out at 1% it doesn't even cut out at 0% I never actually completely killed it, but I do have the Samsung 35E 38ah upgraded battery.
For anyone thinking this is good range, it’s not bad. But if you actually run this bike to its potential, cut that number in half. I used about 70% battery on a Sur Ron to go 12 miles, quite a bit uphill. Averaging 30-40 the whole way. Going downhill home, I’d use probably 50% ripping full speed
Electricity unit price times battery capacity. So here in the UK it would be about £0.72. electric is cheaper in the US so the running cost is so low you wouldn't ever notice.
Hey I understand this is a weird way to go about this but could you send me a mx4 to review for my channel I understand I’m a very small channel but I would love to have the opportunity to review one even if I can keep it in the end
What about a real world off road test? Every video I've seen about this bike is on pavement but it looks like it's meant to be a dirt bike. On trails you'd be doing a lot more braking and accelerating instead of just going a flat speed the whole time which would significantly affect battery usage. I feel like none of the advertised ranges are actually accurate for off road use.
Based on my experience with stoc surron with 50% less capacity I get about 15miles on stock power. My upgrade battery with 2x the capacity(60v 63ah) I get a little over 20 miles with 8kw(same power as this bike but it has 60v 45ah) so Id guess it would be right in the 15-20mile range offroad. My buddy riding trails in eco gets about 25-30miles but thats all flat ground. I have long videos of my rides and races if you want to see the terrain and speeds for my ranges
Is this as upgradable as the surron? That would be the selling point for me. I know the surron has tons of upgrade options and am wondering if the same goes for the talaria
Maybe not as much now, but they’ll have just as many parts very soon I bet. Many things like wheels, brakes, and forks can already be upgraded the same way.
Never seen someone do a range test and then let the bike sit overnight and then continue the rain stats the next day I don't feel you got an accurate reading
the new R is not any better than the new surron, and the latter is significantly better because it is more agile in the terrain compared to this R.... that's my opinion, the only plus of the new R is that it's a bigger bike, but it's just a little bit smaller, so it doesn't have many advantages. surron It is much more refined there are many years of test development compared to this bike.
It goes 52MPH... hard to find anywhere legal to ride with pinned throttle at 52MPH for a range test. Plus, almost NOBODY rides with a pinned throttle in sport for a full ride.
It’s still a blast. Don’t knock it til ya try it. Sure gas bikes go further.. there’s also a dozen things I can do with my Surron you could never do on a gas bike. Apples/Oranges. Just commuting it’s prolly not your best choice.. but for pure fun, hard to compare.
@@joshmaddux agree. They are totally different bikes. One like this would be cool for me so I could rip through my yard all weekend and nobody will care. If I took a weekend with friends on trails in the mountains I’d just get an extra battery. Swap out every 2hrs
There are a handful of expensive (by bicycle standards 🤣) e-bikes with 80~100mi range but if they sell well the market will become saturated with competitors and prices will drop. Aside from that prediction there may be a breakthrough with sodium ion batteries on the horizon. They'll charge faster and last longer but weigh a bit more than lithium so the legal limit for motor output will prly increase, but only to like 1000-1500W nominal. I'm just assuming that by viable you mean it MUST NOT require registration or annoying ass insurance payments just to cruise in peace.
New CATL batteries are 500wh per kilo and come out this year. They will triple the range and speed up charging. That'll get you 100-120 miles of range.
Soooo. .Not one mention of legality…..just buy and ride the streets and paths that people and bikes go on. Keep the sellers pocket lined with cash. Screw the ebike community cuz edirt bikes identifies as ebikes
I just did 22 miles today of hard and fast riding and got 22 miles down to 20%. Mostly street at 45-55 mph but some really soft sand and river rock areas. Pretty damn impressed!!
i got about 28 miles of ripping on sport mode around my area bursts of 52 so im happy with the range when i mix eco/sport depending on road im on.
Great info, thanks for the real world test. I'm 45lbs less so might get even better range on mine!
You will absolutely get more range, weight makes a big difference.
For SURE! 45lbs makes a massive difference with ebikes. No reason you couldn't get 50 miles riding like in this video. Which is actually super impressive when you think about the range the old surrons got back in 2018-2020
Thanks guys for the information!
Live here in Colorado would be great to see a hill test and mileage range
Great bike... With the increased weight and power, good to see the range still as good or better than SR.
Does anyone know if the suspension on the new talaria is similar to the 2023 Surron x because I love the suspension on that thing.
@@anthonyzekos720 it’s thicker and better
great ride with great info... thanx.... really want one
Great test. Jives with my ~300 miles ridden on 2 brand new Sting R MX4 bikes. I installed a Renthal non O-ring chain on both of them but otherwise they have stock power trains. I ride a mix of roads and trails, a few technical single track sections, a few short hill climbs. I try to use the brakes as little as possible, using regen instead (always on level 4). I use Sport mode exclusively and I ride pretty fast most of the time. My average speed is typically about 28 MPH. For reference I'm just over 200 lbs with gear and 5'10" tall. I get about 40 miles from a full battery. Max speed is around 55 MPH. It's enough for me to get around town and enjoy myself. I'm usually done before the bike is 🙂
would you say its easy to customize to more like a bike? And how much does it tank up hills the battery?
@@2909dkthere are some with pedal kits, but its more to get by legalities than to be useful for pedaling. These things are way more powerful than a standard ebike
@@nk-dw2hm sorry ,to clarify i meant to make it look like a bike to get away with the legal ambiguity, like an asthetic bike kit to add
@@2909dk Luna cycle I think sells some with a pedal kit option, could help avoid a bit of hassle but they do reduce clearance a bit
That’s just fine. I just bought one. I’m happy with that milage. Dirt riding in sport mode should be good for at least 25 miles. More than enough for a nice trail ride. Extra batteries cost around $2,000.00 dollars.
Great test, thanks. The bike must have a major problem with the seat if you were sore after 10 miles of street riding.
How did it feel for your height ? Thanks for mentioning elevation, so many test without that data .... weight, elevation, mileage, speed and time riding needs to be known for a proper test.
Was able to order one over weekend before they sold out...thanks Luna
they didn't sell out can get one from few diff companys and luna shippin out more this month but you did get the first batch
@@nickolaschandler7659 Do you know any sellers in the EU that have the talaria sting R?
That's not bad. I did about 2+ hours of technical single track on a dirt bike and we only managed to go 10 miles total.
my modded surron for woods riding(ktm 65 forks, 16" rear tire, and gummy tires and 60v 63ah battery) at same power level(8kw) only get a little over 20miles. The dirt and climbing hills really kills range. Didnt do a whole test but just my wife riding gravel on the same setup at 15-20mph would get about 60miles.
i plan on taking my sting to local track this weekend to get a baseline of range and how long i can rip it in sport then plan the following trips.
Hi can you tell me was you using the regen or did you remove the cables?? Many thanks
You guys still shipping out surrons? Just curious i might wait for a restock on the talaria
How the seat for comfort on the bike and are there aftermarket seats that are more comfortable. Is the Surron more comfortable for you to ride?
just ordered from your site cant wait! Do you think this would fit in an average sized compact suv?
have you tried fitting it in your suv?
@@Apezilla ya buts it's very inconvenient due to the weight and size, you will scratch up the interior. I ended up just buying a motorcycle carrier from harbor freight for like $130 and it's been perfect.
Can you do a comparison of the x2 with the Biktrix Monte capro ultra
Can anyone help? Looking for a oem 4 pin connection for the speedometer not sure what the exact connections are on the harness
Where to hell do i get such a great bike here in Vienna, Austria? :-(
hey would it be better able to order a talaria xxx if im in australia
Nice. 42 miles is great.
How long did it take to fully charge the battery from 1% to 100%?
they say about 3 hrs on website
3hrs
And your in Colorado, once I get mine we gotta do a big meet 😂😂
Does the charger allow you to set a charge limit? For example 80 or 90%?
Would be nice to know...
no, an aftermarket charger will allow that feature
Are you doing this with the standard 60v battery
thanks for the test ....wish it came with 72v 60Ah ...i want to ride in the mountains ...need it to keep up with my kawi 450r
Will there be any problem with the battery condition even if it is discharged to less than 10%?
It can happen, there wont be any problems from draining it, the BMS protects the cells from going to low.
What's really bad is storing them empty, this can pretty quickly degrade a battery.
Just avoid going below 10% because it is unnecessary stress for the battery, but if it happens it should not be a problem.
Is that the base battery charger that he hooks up at the end of the video? That charger looks super beefy with its fins and fan running.
Yes it’s actually the smallest charger yet… smaller than Sur Ron and previous Talleria.
@@bluesti3 It draws 760 watts @120 VAC, verified, for those maybe using an inverter or generator.
Sickkk
"not going to lie, butts getting a little bit sore. But you know what? It's all good having fun"
Just pre oredered a day ago, when will these be shipping out?
ETA? Did you get your bike already?
Would like to see a range test in sport mode
12miles
Mine comes tomorrow
I want to buy it the price on you’re website is it usd or cad ?
guys,do I need to cut the brown wire beneath the horn to increase the power?
The brown wire
Luna when will y’all be in stock again??
we are taking pre-orders now ... in less than 2 weeks
great video but what is the charge time from dead?
4 hrs
How much did he say he weighs? Im 6'5 relatively heavy, would this be too small?
Oh yeah.
I have 9 ebikes....time to sell a few and get me a Talaria Sting R and step up my game.
I know you know this but for the love of your battery don't run it lower than 20% risk of fire is way greater when you go to charge or jump start a charge.
1:55 oh my gosh .. that stock seat has to go. I hope there’s a great seat that comes along and fixes that problem for all Talaria Sting R buyers and owners from all over the world. And whoever makes these glorious replacement seats deserves to sell millions and millions of them too! 🤣
I just got the Sting R, how do you unlock it and what the heck is going on with the battery bouncing around, sounds terrible?
Cut the brown wire to eliminate the speed limiter, if that’s what you mean by unlocking it and install the 2 included rubber battery bumpers to reduce battery rattle from movement during riding.
Why they still fit them crap tyres ?
40 miles at 30 mph is about a 1 hour 20 minutes of riding time. Does that sound right?
Only if you're going a steady 30 which most people don't. I'd say up to a couple hours if you're going average speeds or just cruising around.
My Surron Light Bee doesn't cut out at 1% it doesn't even cut out at 0% I never actually completely killed it, but I do have the Samsung 35E 38ah upgraded battery.
Testing that next!
For anyone thinking this is good range, it’s not bad. But if you actually run this bike to its potential, cut that number in half. I used about 70% battery on a Sur Ron to go 12 miles, quite a bit uphill. Averaging 30-40 the whole way.
Going downhill home, I’d use probably 50% ripping full speed
What app are you using to record the data?
Cyclemeter
Would be interested to know how much it costs to charge back up
less than a dollar
Do the math
Electricity unit price times battery capacity. So here in the UK it would be about £0.72. electric is cheaper in the US so the running cost is so low you wouldn't ever notice.
Which app are you using to track?
Cyclemeter
Are there any 72v batteries and controllers for this model yet?
Whats the app
What app did you use?
CycleMeter
Cyclemeter
Hey I understand this is a weird way to go about this but could you send me a mx4 to review for my channel I understand I’m a very small channel but I would love to have the opportunity to review one even if I can keep it in the end
If they could get this battery to charge in less than 30 minutes would be amazing for driving around the city where its hard to have a car like SF
Unrealistic expectations
It’s not gonna wreck my battery running it flat?
Nah but don't make a habit of it. I aim to not drop below 10%
💯👍👌
What about a real world off road test? Every video I've seen about this bike is on pavement but it looks like it's meant to be a dirt bike. On trails you'd be doing a lot more braking and accelerating instead of just going a flat speed the whole time which would significantly affect battery usage. I feel like none of the advertised ranges are actually accurate for off road use.
Doing that next...
Based on my experience with stoc surron with 50% less capacity I get about 15miles on stock power. My upgrade battery with 2x the capacity(60v 63ah) I get a little over 20 miles with 8kw(same power as this bike but it has 60v 45ah) so Id guess it would be right in the 15-20mile range offroad. My buddy riding trails in eco gets about 25-30miles but thats all flat ground. I have long videos of my rides and races if you want to see the terrain and speeds for my ranges
How much you weight when you do thise test
*weigh
190lbs
We’re can u buy it I live in mi
Where*
Not we are.
So, not we’re.
Is this as upgradable as the surron? That would be the selling point for me. I know the surron has tons of upgrade options and am wondering if the same goes for the talaria
Maybe not as much now, but they’ll have just as many parts very soon I bet. Many things like wheels, brakes, and forks can already be upgraded the same way.
Not as much as the surron but you can do most anything. Just have less options but more will come with how popular these stings will be.
The X is out and it smoked the Suron
@@lonmn What are you saying? Isnt the x the surron x
@@lonmn I have a brand new X here also, doing the same test with the new 38ah pack next.
My E bike has a 40 mile range but honestly after about an hour, I’ve had enough.
😂😂😂
It's a shame class 3 e-bikes have to be registered in New Jersey
F that!
NJ is a communist country, nestled within the USA.
Give the community an update in a year then do the same test. Let us see the real results 😂
This is a stupid comment, of course it's going to be less. Battery packs will degrade over time/use.
@@bandwagon240 "HOW MUCH" is the question that answers. Not all batteries are the same. Not all comments are stupid.
@@UsnRoberts I get it, but it's always dependant on how a battery is used and charged.
Never seen someone do a range test and then let the bike sit overnight and then continue the rain stats the next day I don't feel you got an accurate reading
This guy is like 20 mph 😂 so if u go like 50 mph looking at 25 mile range
Moving speed was always done at 28-29mph... only averaged closer to 20 because of the stops to film updates.
Who’s consistently going 50mph for 25 miles
@@camxdidxthat on the dirt track
That’s funny, not even on any dirt track will anyone average even close to 50 😅
@@jimjr9143 I think he meant “on the salt flat”… silly auto correct
only 2 hours of ride time on 1 charge? thats dissapointing
12 miles in sport mode if driven hard
Did you test it
yes
Why did you not ride far from your house?
Walking back home while pushing a 145 pound ebike with a dead battery for a long distance sounds fun to you?
@@allemander You rode 40 miles in your own neighborhood. 🤷♂️ 🤦🏻♂️🤡
You're not supposed to bring battery to Zero. 10 percent max I believe. Can damage the battery.
Peace blue world
the new R is not any better than the new surron, and the latter is significantly better because it is more agile in the terrain compared to this R.... that's my opinion, the only plus of the new R is that it's a bigger bike, but it's just a little bit smaller, so it doesn't have many advantages. surron It is much more refined there are many years of test development compared to this bike.
That sucks I can go that on half a gallon.. 140mi on 2 gal. See ya in 6 hrs after you charge up
Comparing apples to oranges is no comparison, at all.
You can get away with riding this in a lot more places than you can with say a 2 stroke lol. It being quiet is a massive upside
He’s talking street legal dual sport, they make more sense…..
Palm trees? Commit to a hemisphere, man.
A 3 or 4 hour charge for 43 miles. Not worth it! That's why I'll never buy any kind of electric transportation.
Should have done two tests. One pinned throttle eco and one pinned throttle sport. This information you gave is pretty lame
Can you not do the math? That’s pretty lame
It goes 52MPH... hard to find anywhere legal to ride with pinned throttle at 52MPH for a range test. Plus, almost NOBODY rides with a pinned throttle in sport for a full ride.
@@eastwood111 what is lame math?
@@larrym2434
That’s a lame question
@@eastwood111 You have small hands and a lame attitude.
Bro e-bikes are a joke rn 😒 44miles range they need to be 100+miles to even be viable for me I do 80miles a day 😟
It’s still a blast. Don’t knock it til ya try it. Sure gas bikes go further.. there’s also a dozen things I can do with my Surron you could never do on a gas bike. Apples/Oranges. Just commuting it’s prolly not your best choice.. but for pure fun, hard to compare.
@@joshmaddux agree. They are totally different bikes. One like this would be cool for me so I could rip through my yard all weekend and nobody will care. If I took a weekend with friends on trails in the mountains I’d just get an extra battery. Swap out every 2hrs
@@joshmaddux na I had one there’s a lot of things I like about e-bikes but the battery will always make me go combustion 😢
There are a handful of expensive (by bicycle standards 🤣) e-bikes with 80~100mi range but if they sell well the market will become saturated with competitors and prices will drop. Aside from that prediction there may be a breakthrough with sodium ion batteries on the horizon. They'll charge faster and last longer but weigh a bit more than lithium so the legal limit for motor output will prly increase, but only to like 1000-1500W nominal. I'm just assuming that by viable you mean it MUST NOT require registration or annoying ass insurance payments just to cruise in peace.
New CATL batteries are 500wh per kilo and come out this year. They will triple the range and speed up charging. That'll get you 100-120 miles of range.
Cheap Plastic and still has a Gearbox
THE NEW ELECTRIC MOTOCROSS BIKES IS ENOUGH TO MAKE ME WANNA PUKE 🤮🤢
Why?
Soooo. .Not one mention of legality…..just buy and ride the streets and paths that people and bikes go on. Keep the sellers pocket lined with cash. Screw the ebike community cuz edirt bikes identifies as ebikes
Does the charger allow you to set a charge limit? For example 80 or 90%?
No.