C.A.T. ODB | Is The Hype Real?
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We need a battle of the 7.62s!! Huxwrx FLOW 762 vs C.A.T. ODB
Both cans have PEW Science whitepapers published. Go read those for the head-to-head.
He already said CAT is the best
I have the Flow 762TI and it's pretty good on my AR15s, AKs, and Scar. It's very sparky, even midday in overcast weather. It's very loud with 300blk subs, so loud that it's not tolerable to shoot more than a couple rounds without ear pro.
@@UndertheTreesPNWI read the Flow 762Ti significantly improved the 300blk subsonic sound performance over the older QX-762? I have a 300blk with an Omega 300 and, without earpro, it’s still kinda loud with subsonic. With 23dB earpro, it’s extremely quiet.
BattleTest! Them head to head
Inconel will last a bit longer in the long run and is heavier but there are other considerations. Titanium suppressors throw sparks, inconel is not naturally sparky. Inconel has good yield strength up to 1400 or so degrees but you never should exceed 800 with titanium. So in addition to weight and useful lifespan, flash signature and firing schedules should be considered as well.
everyone forgets that a layer of carbon will build up quickly and you wont get that sparking that you get when the suppressor is brand new.
Inconel is superior to titanium in dealing with heat. In jet engines, it can run white hot for 45 min. Before it begins to deform. Titanium once hot will burn with a bright flash blinding the operator. It will also melt through whatever floor you're standing on. It's an um metal. Titanium, magnesium, aluminum. 3 off the top of my head that can be very volatile.
@@devon5078 it's truly amazing how many fanboys sit online and listen to paid shills all day that lie about everything to to the moon and back to sell their inferior products.
Hear hear
I'm not going Into combat, so I don't need a loud hunk of metal like surefire.
I probably said it 1000 times but you make some of the best videos n your reviews are on par with the best of the best - love you man
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
Watched your video.... great video. Went down to my local FFL and ordered an ODB thru Silencer Shop. Own a Wolfman cause of you too... Love it.... Keep up the great work...
I've bought 5 cans now because of AA videos but so far since my CAT cans are on backorder I have to say my best purchase EVER on a firearm related buy was the Liberty Precision Machine Anthem S.
I was and am so thoroughly happy with that can I bought the S2 version when it was launched and just got the pin/weld Anthem S too to do a non-sbr short barrel upper.
I'm just saying, if it's good enough to buy 3 of them and be happy as can be... especially at almost just half the price of the ODB inconel - maybe give the LPM a shot next go around if it fits your needs.
It REALLY shines on 5.56 in 13.7-14.5+ barrels. I don't even need ears on my 14.5 with the S.
Rad stuff guys. Thank you.
Obviously very different cans inherently but compare the performance of the CGS Hyperion and the CAT ODB…
The performance will most likely be way too close to tell a difference between the Hyperion and the CAT, even though Pew Science rates the Hyperion higher than the CAT with subsonic 300 BLK meaning the Hyperion performed better/was quieter with their testing.
They’re pretty slick aren’t they!? The WB is incredible. I dig the long flash hider that’s shrouded by the last 1/3 of the can
Ti can be quite sparky. If low light is a concern then you'll want inconel.
These look like flow thru with baffle hybrids kinda like an advanced Helios with fins in the coaxial space that send gas spinning, also kinda like HUXWRX Rad9. But adjusted for caliber.
I dig.
Good point on the TI, thanks for watching!
I would love to see this can shot at night to see how good/bad the flash is. Fireballs and NVG's aren't friends.
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I forgot to mention. I've been watching your videos for a long time now, and your videos have been the cause of me emptying out my checking account quite a few times. Your reviews have made a lot of my purchasing decisions.
As always, great review. Low back pressure (aka flow through technology) is becoming a better choice for those of us not chasing the sound decibel. To combine both in a stable can is always a good thing. I’ll definitely be keeping an eye on this to add to my collection. Keep on keepin’ on my man.
100%. As long as it's under 140dB, doesn't blow gas in my face, and runs reliably I'm all in.
@@ZombiePanda1776 Its definitely NOT below 140 lol
@@mr.joshuah1412 @5:47 this kid is shooting 7.62 supers with no frickin ear pro!!! Sooo not below 140?!!?
@@6nosis pain/discomfort tolerance is not indicitive of db levels. Some people don't care, can tolerate it, or have enough hearing damage to think it's fine.
They're healthier too
Tim, thanks for the intel. I've been curious about this one. I really want to see it directly compared against the others in this space.
The scar 17 still has a reduced gas setting at the 10 oclock. Its just a very minor change on the oem regulator. Fn doesnt list it as such because they dont want people to suppress them in the first place.
We need a CAT JL vs CGS Hyperion vs CAT Ally Cat 308. And a Cat Odb vs CGS Hyperion k vs Cat ally cat 7.62.
Which can is the most accurate to say 500 yards or meters. And can provide low blowback, to be uesd on a 16" 308 AR, and a 24" bolt 308 and a 16" 5.56 AR, with no change in gas settings and be accurate with zero to minimal poi shift. The best can if just one can is purchased. The best multi role can.
And once that multi role can winner has been established. Is there a can by any other company that can out perform it in sound suppression, blow back pressure and down range accuracy.
@@dmaxoutdoorscheck pew science
I guess I have been under a rock. I've never heard of this suppressor/company. I'm looking for a new flow-through can now and this video may have made that decision.
This is not a flow through can and don't be fooled. This is a baffled suppressor with a few holes in the baflles.
Been waiting all day for this!
Damn I love your videos man. Have not had a chance to shoot mine yet. From 1 Alabamian to another. Thanks for the content.
Thanks for addressing the Sig Rattler 5.5”. That is exactly what I have.
Can't wait to see what they'll do for the 8.6
Me Either!!! Thanks for watching!
Very excited to see a new video coming out! Well done man as always
Appreciate you watching!
I’m still leaning towards the WB Inconel as my 5.56 can
Good to see the can performs well. I don't have any qualms about the cans themselves, moreso the company and warranty/RMA support they may or may not offer. Hopefully it's top notch, and *not* like Dead Air's.
To be honest, I could take or leave the marketing approach CAT uses, it's funny most the time, a bit over the top at times. But the fact that they can back it up is the big deal, you can say whatever you want as long as you can back it up, and I would say at least so far they definitely can. Appreciate you watching!
It's all about the suppressors, should always be about the suppressors. The support will match the suppressors, we are contactable everyday on Instagram.
Excellent vid, super informative and loved hearing the runaway instrumental
Appreciate you watching!
A titanium can would be perfect for a hunting rifle.
Yessir! Thanks for watching!
Does the TI version suffer from the ultra fast heating like the WB titanium after 10 rounds. Seems like the bigger ODB would heat up alittle slower.
Great video
Yes and they are rated for very low fire rates for very short time. Unlike the hucks works that'll do full auto on a 762 and has no limit
What a time to be alive
Appreciate you watching man!
I don't know man... we going to miss out on laser guns and flying cars
Excelelnt video Tim! Been waiting on the CAT can reviews. I also got on the list for the new TBAC Magnus-S (7") .30 cal can to go with my full-size Magnus, but to use as a hunting can.
Also, do I spy one of the new AGM Rattler V2 35-640's on that AR? Or is it one of the new Clarion 35-640 units? 😉 I think I'm fixing to pre-order one of the new Rattler V2 50-640 to go alongside my Rattler V1 TS50-640, Neith scope, and new Neith LRF clip-on (yep, the one that just dropped at SHOT last week). As you can see, I'm becoming quite a fan of the AGM stuff. 🤣
I'm excited for the titanium mesh cans to see if there as good as the claims or whatever it's called
Interesting times indeed. Thanks for watching!
EDIT: CAT says we speak to CAT for warranty and CGS does the work. Concern alleviated!
Og comment: Happy about CAT, worried about poor warranty due to CGS. Lot of CGS customer were nightmares out there.
I’m sure everyone can have a bad day and go through a bad time. I’m not sure exactly what you’re talking about but the only time I had to send a can into CGS for service it was handled very quickly. Thanks for watching.
Your experience with companies is irrelevant, you're a sponsored youtuber lol@@AlabamaArsenal
CAT is literally just CGS. They are super mysterious about it but it's literally the same engineer behind it all lol.
don't be shy to call him a shill. His reviews worth nothing as he is being paid. So this is not a review, it's an advertisement.
at least nobody really values AA opinion or input. This channel is just entertainment, every can is "fantastic" so yeah a shill haha@@romang6437
Nice to see the SIG556 shorty in there! I use the OG O.S.S. K can on my 556 SBR it prefers the low back pressure cans as they don't like to be over gassed. They will beat themselves up
Did you see the gas coming out of the chamber on the side of the gun. That's because it's got high back pressure Don't let nobody fool you in the believing that these cans are revolutionary they are not we bought several and they're not what they claim.
These cans look amazing but after looking at their warranty and seeing their customer service before they even launched them I’ll stick with the companies who actually value their customers
I dig the non sparking aspect of inconel.
Titanium can spark for about 50-200 shots. And then it will stop. Stop listening to fanboys
White bread is a sweet deep sounding thump gassed correctly I love it.
CAT looks like they just announced a new .308 can expected in mid-March- the 'Johnny Law'. I wonder what differences there are (if any) between the ODB and JL.. and if there are any particular reasons to favor one over the other.
That AUG is something...🎉
Its definitely something.... LOL Thanks for watching!
Why do people worry about titanium spark? MOST people that shoot silencers don’t shoot at night and if you do, you probably have more than one silencer and rifle
You couldn't have said it better. After years and years of buying the next best thing, you start to look around your gun room saying WHEN IS IT EVER ENOUGH.
Glad y’all know about cat !!!!
l just finished the video and it had extreme amounts of throttling going on (thanks YT) but l'm pretty sure that it wasn't mentioned in the vid that the CAT cans are produced by CGS or at least on their equipment if l'm not mistaken.
A lot of people would probably find that interesting.
Pretty sure they are basically just using CGS as the FFL, but I'll find out the exact details and make sure that it is in the WB video. Thanks for watching!
They are just using CGS’s FFL for final engraving, shipping,receiving and warranty repairs. The manufacturing, Customer Service and warranty work is all done in house by CAT.
This is literally the first time I've heard of them lol 😅
Well I definitely appreciate you watching!
Boo.
nice cans. someone should tell noveske that bear creek arsenal wants there handguard back
😂😂😂 Man I can't stand Noveske! Heard numerous bad experiences with their customer service and faulty rifles. Not to mention they charge KAC prices for not being any better than a BCM....the only thing I'd buy from Noveske would be their barrels, because those are something they make that's actually good
@@nickadkins7765 I wouldn't buy their barrels either their gas parts are extremely too large.
@@nickadkins7765 i wouldn't use their barrels if they where the same price as ballistic advantage. there gas port are extremely too large. ive seen a few 14.5 Afghan series measure out in the .080s. should be no more then .076
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Great content. Thanks for what you do.
Another great vid - you keep putting out excellent content!!
Awesome content and review as always.
ODB? Old dirty b?
That’s awesome now I’m ready to see the wb and the Mojave man I love this channel
Unfortunately I live in California I can’t get any of these products but they sound really good
finally!!! My wallet is in danger
My wallet is under attack seemingly all the time.
Id love to see this run up against the Hyperion and Huxwrx 7.62
What's coming out of the can while it's being shot at 2:25? Visible unburnt powder?
Is this better than the Hyperion?
Waiting for the 13.7 p/w spooky so i can throw the WB on my main
Great video as always .
Really appreciate that man!
Can you turn the background music down just a little bit?
O.D.B i cant help but think about the guy from around Estil SC when i hear that.
Are any of the CAT suppressors KEYMO compatible? I have a pinned and welded dead air muzzle device….
That little bolt action .300 blk is nice
Sweet, 6mm bullets work with the “556” WB model!
youtube out to get you man. this the only video got problems loading for me. buffers like every 30 seconds. no problems with any other videos tho
Never heard of them. I would be curious to compare them to the new SIG line of suppressors because their .308 & 5.56 cans are the only suppressors that I have ever shot indoors comfortably.
Never shot the new SIG cans, but it would be interesting to make the comparison. I will say the CAT cans are pretty hard to beat. Thanks for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal I cannot recommend them highly enough. Keep in mind I am NOT referring to the SRD line as those are hot garbage. The SLH line is their new suppressor series and is being paired with the XM7 for the military. These are 3D printed and negate a large portion of the gas being blown back on the user while still being able to cycle subsonics reliably. I am using one on the MCX Virtus in 300BLK and have been extremely impressed especially after using primarily Surefire cans for years. Their MOD-X 9MM can is equally as impressive for pistols. If you get an opportunity to just shoot one, please do. I would be very curious to compare them to the ones in your video. I will also say that really the only “negative” about their SLH line is that they use proprietary mounts that as of right now I believe only fit SIG rifles but they are going to release universal mounts in the future from what I understand.
Now if I would only ask the crown's permission.
Nice, I might need a couple.
Solid video, thanks!
Im happy you know the real meaning of ODB lol
It actually got the name because the can is actually intended for 7.62x39 and in some circles that caliber is referred to as “old dirty” but I felt that was kind of vague so it’s not in the video. Thanks for watching.
@@AlabamaArsenal it's all goos. Also, they could have also been giving props to ODb from WuTang lol
Great video.
Appreciate you watching!
Why am I reading alot lately that ear pro is still needed with suppressors ? Thanks 🇺🇸✊
Depending on the host weapon, host caliber, length of exposure, and suppressor that can be true. For instance, almost any can with a short barreled AR in 556 you should probably wear hearing protection, if you have a really good can, you should still probably wear hearing protection if you're going to shoot more than a mag or two. On the other hand, 22lr, 300BLK, and subsonic 9mm can all easily be brought to hearing safe levels with a good suppressor. Thanks for watching!
So the ODB had lockback issues with Rattler due to its flow pattern. But how about the JL? Is the gas too much with that on semiauto? Need to know!!
ODB doesn't have a flow pattern it's a baffled can. Their marketing is lying.
Do the Ti and the 718 sound the same? How do they do against accuracy?
Sticking with my Hux Flow cans for all the semi autos. These are interesting though.
HUX Flow cans are some very impressive silencers. Thanks for watching!
I have a ODB 718 QD in jail. I can’t wait to see how it compares to my Hyperion and hydrogen L
Those are all top notch cans man! Thanks for watching!
I gotta say, the icing on the cake ( in ur face moment) is the Kanye " Toast to the assholes" music playing in background..
Absolutely, arrogant, proud, can't touch this, Kanye moment.. well played fellows. Well done indeed.
When u know, u know
Taper mounts are 🐐
Pew Science rates the Hyperion higher than the CAT with subsonic 300 BLK meaning the Hyperion performed better/was quieter with their testing. Of course, many don't know that info was published so it's been amusing seeing all of the "The CAT will be the quietest 300 BLK can out there when it's released" comments for the past 6 months...
The Hyperion is also 3" longer and a larger diameter, so given the ODB is only a couple points lower, its very impressive for the performance.
@@Gunny11795 Maybe, l will need to hear it in person to decide how "impressive" it truly is.
Either way, the ODB isn't quieter which was the point of my comment.
And we both referenced the OVERALL PS suppression rating, but if you look more closely at the individual numbers the muzzle rating isn't close at ALL with the Hyperion beating it significantly.
Look, even J Parker of CGS said he was impressed with the ODB but so far l haven't seen/heard what is so special about it.
Again either way, l stiII think it's funny because there have been TONS of comments about how the ODB is going to completely crush and destroy everything on the market and so far that hasn't been the case at all.
I did say quietest given size, you can go to PewScience and arrange the 300BLK data by the quietest cans for 300BLK and all the cans quieter are longer, much longer in some cases. I try to confirm anything I say with available data, but according to pew science, and my opinion, this is the shortest quietest 300BLK can or the most effective per inch. But there are several cans quieter then it is. Thanks for watching!
That's JL and we'll take a bet. ;)
@@specterscat Not sure what you mean, but since you're here leaving comments can you tell me how you guys are related to CGS?
You think the alley cat is quieter than the full size Hyperion in .300 blk out ? Need a .300 blk out for my mcxs, would like to see a comparison between them. I also wanna get a .338 lapua and grab the cgs HEKATE
Probably not check pew science the Hyperion is rated higher but the ODB is a better balanced can imo
Wow!
Appreciate you watching!
This was an awesome video. I can always count on you guys for some really informative videos about suppressors. If I’m correct, CGS Group is somehow connected with SPECTER CAT.. With CGS in their corner it confirms how solid the cans will be and they’ll be using the latest in engineering & development techniques. I’m sure Josh has something to do with the futuristic engineering. Either way I will be purchasing an ODB.
Let me guess... OUT OF STOCK.
LOL, I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised. Thanks for watching!
Can buy one today.
Need a review on the CGS SCI-SIX
Did the Radian Model 1 cycle subsonic 300 BLK with no issues?
Not sure they're all this way, but mine came without an adjustable gas block and basically if the gun was just cleaned and lubed the CAT would cycle it, as it started getting dirty it just didn't have the back pressure to cycle it. Now I think a simple adjustable gas block would resolve this and kinda can't believe doesn't come with one, but to answer your question, barely. Thanks for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal Thanks for the info. I was worried about that. They don’t have adjustable gas blocks on their Model 1
@@AlabamaArsenal Please try the JL on the Radian Model 1 to see if you get better results.
Since they’re 3-D printed, and you have a baffle strike is the suppressor ruined ? Thanks
Were you shooting the Titanium or Inconel version?
Thank you for the upload. Been holding off on CAT after their ridiculous advertising, social marketing campaign antics, distribution/pricing/map issues, and their childish behavior on a few notable message boards.
Really appreciate you watching!
Product matters, the rest is noise - $1800 RC3's, DA Sierra 5 PR disaster, the trolling of well known industry personalities and a long laundry list of others.
@specterscat of course product matters. As does the conduct of the company that is pushing the product. No need to keep bringing up other companies' issues.
Noise, indeed.
Hmm, "conduct of the company", strange thing to say Jack as we've never interacted. What we find mildly amusing is this fact in all of this - we did not pick one fight, and don't pick fights but individuals and companies who have no idea who or what we are said factually untrue things, then got a little whacky when we trolled them back in return. So we wish you the best with your buying choices, as this is obviously a 1 follower burner account. @@jackburton7959
Really curious to see if the performance on 5.56 follows on the PTR cans when y'all have a chance to test them.
Of course, now I have to actually pick one.
Tell PTR you'd like to see them featured on this channel. I'd love to check them out but haven't had the opportunity to shoot one yet. Thanks for watching!
This or 762ti by huxwrk?
Buy a flow all day long
Alright, Ive tried to be patient. Wheres the WB video??? 😅
It’ll either be Sunday or Tuesday. Editing it now, it’s massive, a lot of information. Soon! Thanks for watching
@@AlabamaArsenal Glad to hear it, and thanks for the quick reply! I missed the first drop but if they ever come back in stock, I plan to grab one for my 12.5” SBR.
Wow
Appreciate you watching!
But what is its signature reduction like, like Hux or better? (Mainly talking flash)
Their inconel cans suppress flash better then surefire. titanium inherently sparks.
When will you get your hands on Dead Air's new Lazarus 6? I'm very curious about the performance of that can and the engineering behind it. Thanks!
Also I have a Wolfman I use on my 7" DD PDW in 300blk. I always use it in long configuration wirh a wipe. Does the ODB perform better than the Wolfman as described on subsonic 300blk? Thanks! I want to keep my Wolfman as a dedicated 9mm can an pick up a proper. 30 cal can for my .300blk and AK's as well as maybe a .308 in the future
Guessing that’s the AGM rattler v2, and we should expect a video soon???
Video is out now! Thanks for watching!
I avoid Ti cans because most of them seem to spark like crazy in low light, which annoys me.
I was told they need a break in after that it clears up
@@mikebarile30sorry but that is a myth started by CGS. Titanium cans will not spark less with break in.
@@mikebarile30 I've seen titanium cans with a few thousand rounds through them still spark. Anecdotal I know, but if the cost of not having to worry about it at all is an extra 6 or 8 ounces I will take the extra ounces there and try to save them elsewhere on the system.
Why does the song sound like Kanye west runaway
Anyone know what grip that is at 7:20 ?
Kung fu grip
😢😢😢😢😢 have I mentioned how much I hate Illinois
Sorry brother! Appreciate you watching!
What kind of mount did you use on the AK?
They either currently have or will have a spooky mount in 14x1LH. Cat was kind enough to send me one so I could film with the can on an AK, but this will be a regular production item. Thanks for watching!
Thanks!@@AlabamaArsenal
100% dead set on having both
They're amazing cans! Thanks for watching!
How’s the sparking on the titanium cans?
We will have a twilight muzzle flash test in the WB video as I think more people care about that for their 556 cans. But obviously TI will spark more than inconel. Thanks for watching!
Inconel vs titanium. It's not what we do now why we demand inconel, it's what WILL happen as to why we demand it.
Still can't believe FN void's the warranty if one attaches a can
I know both my manuals say that, not sure if the new models still say that as well. Appreciate you watching!
You didn’t mention the cleaning/maintenance cycles of these suppressors. Every 1500 rounds or so
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Yeah…No…
I’ve read their warranty
Definitely worth a read if you’re considering buying.
If you break it & it’s user error or not using their mount
“If your CAT suppressor is broken or cocked up because of some stupid shit you did, we WILL NOT replace it. If you use anyone else’s accessory and it blows out the end, sends a round through the side, that’s on you buddy, and we WILL NOT replace it.”
“CAT suppressors are engineered to line up exactly with the bore of your rifle (including a bore tolerance slightly larger than the caliber rated for your suppressor), as do our muzzle devices, so it defies engineering logic with all things equal that you’d have a failure.”
“Please don’t try and say the suppressor was on one of our muzzle devices, because we’ll ask for a receipt and a photo of all the parts, and we’ll see what you did to it in two seconds. We just won’t replace suppressors because of stupidity, laziness or lack of commonsense, and anyone who thinks we should is an idiot too (you can buy each other beers and cry yourselves to sleep).”
If you break it using their complete mount system
“If you buy a CAT suppressor, muzzle device and a reducer as a complete system, we are going to fix it by replacing it entirely in every case not because you want us to but because that’s who we want to be.” I would read this to mean an entirely new silencer & serial number, therefore new Form 4 wait - but this is unconfirmed speculation
Customer service while waiting
“please don’t annoy us with questions while we are trying to fix it. We don’t have time to explain what is wrong with it. We don’t want to not communicate with you because we don’t love you, we just have so much shit going on in the real world.”
“We don’t need you to confirm with us that we received your magic wand. You tracked it to us, didn’t you? Ok, then leave us alone, we’ll turn it around as quickly as our work schedule allows. You just do your part, we’ll do ours.”
“Again, we love you but if you’re disappointed by the fact that we had zero contact with you and won’t engage in 3-4 conversations on email, Instapop or your Mommy’s Facebook account about the status of whatever you’re on about, dry your eyes, Princess. We have Ying and Svetlana on social media to answer your questions, but we don’t have time at CGS’ factory in Area 51. We can either fix your sweet 6″ cherry blaster or we can email back and forth, maybe talk on the phone about your thoughts on advanced material dynamics when we could be working.”
Returns
“Any new wand blaster that you may wish to return will incur a $300 Restocking Fee, not our fault you get Buyer’s Remorse.”
Defective Product Returns
“You have had five (5) fucking calendar days to play with your balls and return any defective CAT product from the date you received it. If you send us any CAT product back, it must be in the original packaging, and must be accompanied by your original receipt or proof of purchase, not a note from your Mommy.”
“Once we receive your defective CAT product, we will inspect it and notify you that we have received your return (with an acknowledgement that we probably fucked it up at our North Korean Sweatshop), so we’re sending you a new one.”
Did you mean Hype not Hyper?