Caedrel Reacts To Worlds 2022 Group Draw
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Something Caedrel has overlooked is that FNC is FORCED to be in group A if they get out, because only MAD (LEC 4th seed) is immune to the region restriction rule, which would make MAD go to group B. So assuming DRX and RNG gets out of groups, and that NO wildcard gets out the groups are already decided and FNC is locked A
SGB prolly goes in instead of MAD but it won't change anything
@@Meander_ I'd take BYG over SGB personally
Something overlooked is the fact MAD is in the same group as DRX and RNG and that 2 teams per group make it out of play-ins so its technically impossible for DRX RNG and MAD to make it out of play ins
@@Meander_ how is EG not better than SGB
@@peakester3191 That's incorrect. 1st in each group goes through, then 2nd will play winner of 3rd vs 4th of the other group, so you can have 3 from one group advance.
biggest diffrence this worlds is that playins are gonna be exiting to watch
Yeah one of major region doesnt make it out.
Major regions stomping the minor regions? Yep, excited
@@yurifan2537 atleast in Group A all team has chance to go to main stage.
MAD not making it out is very deserved because they lost two BO5, It seems like they don't work hard, Armut can't even get challenger, Elyoya always streaming and not try harding, I know there are some scrims but a lot of teams don't work hard since they are already qualified.
@@radekhruby142 Aka MAD
People also need to remember. There is one thing DK wants more than winning LCK or Worlds and that is beating G2.
Which can be both a good and a bad thing for them
DK really took that 2019 elimination personally
@@johnnyairplane2896 ye its korean nerd mentality
@@radmiral9048 what does g2 players sht talking damwon and damwon wanting revenge have to do to being nerd? Sounds like youre salty that eu got humiliated
@@ksjsjhss3475 nah its actually korean nerd mentality XD once korean team loses the team that won is a public enemy nr1 they are the biggest gatekeepers even G2 fans arent that bonkers if they dont win the revenge match they get death treaths XD
NA soloq will tilt eastern teams more than wildcard regions or EU. Thank you for hosting worlds NA! :D
Too bad they won't have to play solo queue if they don't want to. Na champions queue is moving with the tournament.
Eastern teams are already planning to go to NA late, so that they can scrim each other in asia.
100ms lets go
@@sailing5874 Exactly, that kind of sucks... There should be a rule that they have to make it to the region 2 weeks in advance if not 3.
@@matthewminogue3276 why should there be that rule tho? Asian teams earned their rights to stay on their region for as long as possible. Its not their problem that other region sucks. Its just like sports you would always wants to practice against good players too. Not like a team C or D
With all the problems with the worlds format, I do think this year will be interesting. Good groups and it depends how the teams perform. Lots of question Marks makes for a lot of intrigue
Its feels like atleast to me that only groups will be good the rest will be Rift Rivals Asia. I personally like that but some people dont wanna see that in Knock outs
@@byochii8197 Personally, I donât mind watching Asia only teams in semi, with the top 2 teams from each region fighting each others. But having to watch china first seed beat Korean 4th, or Korean 1st beat Chinese 1st is just too much
@@Ranoiaetep yes thatâs true!
Still have hope that flying oysters will be make it past groups
That group has geng and rng how will they do it
@@henpaisentai2294 The power of copium
@@af9lln and the power of oysters
Lmao i started dying laughing when i saw their name get drawn couldnât believe thats a real org and pool 2 đ
@@jonathanknypstra2137 they're basically machi esports from 2020, their org just got bought out
I think FNC is guaranteed group A if they pass play-in, since the same region rule is only lifted for MAD if they both make it.
Yup. Thry still have to follow thr rules.
I mean they could go into D, but that could only happen if RNG didnt make it out đ€Ł
@@lazydk2654 rogue have more chance of winning worlds than RNG not making it out of playins đ its like RNG is already locked on D 100%
@@ksjsjhss3475 that is so cap⊠Fnatic winning world over CFO or 100T getting lucky with a best of 1 over RNG. Fnatic a 3rd seed from EU has to win series against China and KR, remember FPXâŠ.
@@cooldude360an what are you saying my guy? I said eu chance of winning worlds is much much higher than chance of rng losing at playins
@@ksjsjhss3475 my bad read it wrong, thought you meant group
Worlds is very interesting this year. A lot of teams will be coinflippy in groups. Then the next stage is gonna dope
this is like the least coinflippy group draw in years lol
@@flamelibra3362 Huh it's B01s a shit ton of teams are gonna be coinflippy. B05s yeah then it'll be less
bro worls is not interesting at all thsi year there is a big possibilty that after groups is gonna be only lck vs lpl
@@giorgos346 that's not the issue with worlds in itself though. lcs and lec just haven't shown the improvement that lpl for example has
Yep, besides GenG. Every team are inconsistent af. Also the defending champs are not even top 3 favourite of winning it lmao
Rogue and GAM looks like a really fun match up
All this does is show how badly Worlds needs double elim. Top 3 seeds make it out with Top 2 from each group getting double elim and the 4 3rd seeds making a lower bracket
Double elim does absolutely nothing to change this
@@Jack-yu4vq just double the misery for losing teams
@@Jack-yu4vq double elim means that there's at least a Bo3 for the losing team, instead of just relying on Bo1 results.
@@Jack-yu4vq how doesn't it do nothing? it makes it that there are more teams in the knockout stage(3 instead of 2), which means, there are more teams that are going to play bo5 which are way more exciting than bo1s, the double elimination is good also because there are going to be way more bo5, which is good because we have only 10 international bo5s a year which is a crime. And the last thing which the double elim does better compared to single elim is that the 2nd best team will be in the finals for sure, because in single elim it easly could happen that the 1st and 2nd best team match up in the quarter finals or semifinals.
You need the DOTA 2 format for TI. Basically, groups determines your playoff seed. If you are top 4 in your group, you get seeded in the winners bracket. Seeds 5-8 get seeded in the losers bracket. Lastly, Seed 9 is eliminated. You can tweak it to suit the Worlds groups, so seeds 1 and 2, winner bracket and seeds 3 and 4 losers bracket or seed 4 is eliminated.
My favorite thing about analysis for the west potentially getting out of groups is that no one can in good faith say "these western teams look like they'd beat these eastern teams with both teams paying at their best" so it's always intangibles that end up being assessed like "this team could be too inexperienced at bo1" or "this team don't show up when it matters" which are of course all valid analyses, just when you notice that it starts to feel a bit more doomed. You also can't massively compare their play based on eye test because we don't actually know the whole reason teams look and play certain ways regionally. We can make guesses but we can't be sure so it's hard to eye test compare anyway. Eastern teams still seem stronger though
History is on the side of these LCK lower seeds, until they falter, it's hard to bet against. Only 1 LCK team EVER since Riot used the Season 4 format has ever not advanced. This year the 3rd/4th seed are kinda weak in comparison to T1/Gen.g, so we'll see how they do versus the past trends
â@@jynxycats Only if Damwon play horribly, though. If we actually get Damwon with ShowMaker, Canyon, Nuguri all playing well, that would also be scary.
@@jynxycats LCK teams are good in Bo1s, except for those 2 times when the Final was a series of Bo1s, Rift Rivals 2017 and 2018. They finally won in 2019. Same thing can't be said about them during Bo5s, in recent years.
just sack play ins, make big group stage that goes into a double elimination with more teams, that makes it more games more fun and even more undeniably best team in the world winning this
Indeed something like 4 6 team groups where top 4 make it out and we get a 16 team bracket with 1-2 seeded into upper bracket and 3-4 seeded into lower, that would be crazy hype
I don't even get why playins are a thing. Just let them play in groups, and increase group size
This 1000%. Take what DOTA does, and run with it. The 'draw' portion of this format is so stupid, when you have teams getting bad/good luck, why is that a thing Riot still thinks makes sense? The group stage event should be as even split as humanly possible, and this 4 team thing is not it.
@@jynxycats yeah exactly 16 teams into 4x4 into quarters is the most basic, boring tournament format you can have
I like this, sounds similar to the valorant champions tournament going rn and I am enjoying it.
The LCK #3/4 seeds honestly feel like they have the most to prove. Both weren't really that special in the regular season or playoffs, but history is on their side. How these LCK squads perform could make or break LEC.
DWK wasn't the most consistent in the regular season but they took T1 to five games in playoffs. G2 has a decent chance to get out, but they usually drop a dumb game to someone. GAM isn't in that group, but I can see G2 dropping a game to the 4th seed.
@@tressil3607 Buffaloes going to make it out over DRX and go into G2 group XD
thats waht people said about HLE last year and they ended up making into quarters lmao
"I don't think it's that bad. It looks bad" xD
I feel like Group B is most interesting. I think JDG will get out for sure but then it'll have to be either G2 or DK which are both insane teams.
Group A is the group of death but group B has the biggest opportunity for upsets
Group A is also bloody with either fnc or mad vs edg skt c9.
@@tomsnow2872 I hope its mad, I feel like fanatic would choke but mad looks like they have more life and focus in their gameplay
This worlds meta favours damwon, with the right picks Damwon are a top tier team. I mean they still have the core that reached msi finals/won worlds then worlds finals all back to back to back
@@princesstoni8116 how can you write something like this when Mad Lions did not win a single bo5 this year while Fnatic did Not choke and Made a mirracle run to 3. place?
Worlds this year are super stacked, I'm so excited!!
So basically we don't know who will win, but we know who will lose.
if its really lpl/lck i just want them all to peak. imagine how good that would be
They will lpl and lck was so good this year it's insane when Europe was not even Medicare boring games
@@Kruku190 lck was pretty bad other than t1 and geng
@@ovs4744 tbh t1 was disapointing in summer too. Zeus mostly 1v9ing and playoffs they had no good teams before finals KT/DK were disgusting bad before gauntlet started.
@@ovs4744 âlol what? Alright I'll just assume that you don't actually watch LCK. Anyone who watches at least all major regions would know that top 6 LCK (DK, LSB, KT, DRX) are still better than ANY LCS-LEC teams, with the exception of maybe C9 and RGE *if* they can consistently perform at their Finals form (their playoff run was not that great).
if you consider anyone other than T1 and GEN as "pretty bad" then what do you consider literally all western teams as đ
Oh man I kinda feel bad for them tbh, you're being too mean
T1 and EDG always face eachother in the same group, its quite funny. On EDG's vod reaction to the group draw, Meiko was like last time it was C9 T1 EDG we got smacked by C9.
By the way guys if MAD and FNC get out of playins, MAD is going group B and FNC group A cause MAD is 4th seed so they join the group which already has an EU team in it.
Really want to see pcs and vcs teams could take down major regions (maybe 2-3 games) cause they are always the underdogs every worlds or msi
If Damwon isn't gonna let Burdel play I do see them do well at worlds
Nuguri was undefeated during playoffs and regionals XD
@@Sl4yer17 that is what I mean if they let Nuguri play it's gonna be much better for them
Unfortunately, they're gonna tell Burdol to blind pick Yone again, *3 times in a row*
you got my word man, DKâs coatching staff have rotten brain or why did they pick burdenâŠoh, no , burdol again and again.
I CANT UNDERSTAND
Daeny says no. end of
SO HYPED
This is going to be the hardest pick em ive ever done.
I mean you either want worlds to be fun or copetitive. If you want it to be copetitive you will be happy if we get all eastern playoffs. If you want fun than sure you can cheer for west but that just brings gameplay level down. Also you had whole year to have fun woth LCS and LEC,worlds deserves to be sacreficed to have best teams possible in playoffs
C9 has always been NAs only hope so i have complete faith, also they got out in 2017 so, it can happen
It rained yesterday so I have faith that it will rain tomorrow. Monke logic XD
@@AlejandroLamKhoa it's having faith, not guaranteeing it, it's hope, you fucking weirdo
@@AlejandroLamKhoa I mean SKT C9 EDG weâre in the same group 2017. With the same midlanders as today.
@@AlejandroLamKhoa C9 has consistently made it out of groups, have made it out of that same exact group before, and have made it out of other "group of deaths" as well, so it's not unprecedented lol
@@AlejandroLamKhoa What too much NA hopium does to their brains KEKW
it's cool to see that playins will actually matter this year since everyone can't promote, going to be a banger worlds for sure
Its probably only gonna be one 'exciting' Bo5 between EG and MAD...
I have thought about all the possible outcomes and RNG and DRX will 100% make it out of Play-Ins, FNC will most likely make it out too and then we have 4 teams that will compete for the final spot, those teams being EG, MAD, DFM and SGB. DFM had made it out of Play-ins in Worlds 2021 and VCS is at the level of PCS and they didn't participate in Worlds 2021 due to Covid restrictions, so SGB could pull it off.
As for Groups:
From Group A: T1 and EDG make it out, C9 might not be bad, but compared to those 2, they aren't good enough, even if it is BO1s.
From Group B: JDG make it almost for sure (almost for sure, because it's JDG...) and DK and G2 fight it out for for the other spot and it could go either way, it will depend on which version of each team shows up.
From Group C: TES makes it out and the other spot will most likely go to RGE, but we could see an upset from DRX.
From Group D: GEN and RNG make it out.
Mate, if DRX and RNG make it out, MAD is out in Play-Ins, only 2 teams from each group can make it
But SGB, BYG or DFM are able to
@@Kargl_D
In fact, you Can have 3 teams from the same group
1a and 1b are qualified
2a fight the winner of the match "3b - 4b"
3a and 4a fight, the winner goes against 2b
But if 2a and 3a win, that make 3 of the same group (since 1a IS qualified)
@@Kargl_D First of each Group advances to the Groups Stage. After that, A3 plays vs A4, winner plays vs B2 and winner of that advances to the Groups Stage. Same on the other side, with B3 playing vs B4, winner plays A2 and winner of that advances to the Groups Stage. Thus if MAD is B3 they can still advance to the Groups Stage.
@@Kargl_D Forgot about BYG, i should have also included them.
lets be real. flying oysters are gonna win it all!!
Can we PLEASE get double elim in the future. It would make the tournament SO much better.
Double elim is boring af. Nobody really cares about the upper bracket matches, when nothing is on the line.
FNC stomped G2 in upper bracket in Spring, didn't matter, everyone forgot, nobody cares about that bo5 anymore. Same is happening to the G2 3-0 Rogue series.
The beauty of worlds is that you only have one shot. Miss it and you're out. That brings tension and makes the knock-out stage so exiting.
@@Risicoco we should not rely solely on BO1s tho
Get rid of BO1s or at least change the group formats eg. let different groups fight each other.
Double Elim doesnt benefit the winners for winner bracket. If you are out in a BO5, you should be out. No 2nd chances, this is worlds.
@@sailing5874 why not give the winners in the winner bracket a 1 game advantage? I know some esports do that
@@ndnd7614 I've seen a discussion about giving the winner a 1 win advantage. But i personally feel 1 win advantage is quite huge for a BO5. Could change for a BO7 for finals but it will probably just fuck up most strats at a competitive level that some teams have.
If MAD and FNC qualifies, FNC goes to group A and MAD to B because MAD is the 4th seed and by the rule they would be the ones getting in the "double EU team" group
If there are no upsets in the playins Fnc can only go to group A. The rule for 2 EU teams in a group is for the 4th seed only
A little suggestion, would be nice to include chat in these clips as well in the future
No lmao, we're here for caedrel, not the spergs in chat. You really entertained by all the kekw and troll shit?
The whole chat is spamming xdd anyway, theres no point
Please no. I'm here to watch what Caedrel thinks not what a bunch of randoms think.
I really hope RNG goes to Group D. Just so GenG can have a decent match on their group lmao
didn't you listen...rng has nowhere else to go other than group d or elimination.
you are right, about eu goin in the first 2 groups, only if you assume that all major region team get through. hypothetically if say beyond or DFM make it through it could look different
They'd probably take EG's spot in group B...
@@lazydk2654 well i would say most people would put eg on the outside right now behind MAD and FNC but you could have EG make it and both EU teams bomb out or a very low chance of DRX just not showing up, i think there is no way RNG doesn't make it
Did i miss something, i thought LEC 4th seed MAD is treated as a wildcardregionteam cause of them replacing LCL (or sth). So they are the only EU team that can be placed in G2/RGE groups right? FNC should be blocked my the normal regional rules like LCK and LPL teams.
Yes so if both EU teams make it through then MAD is treated as Wildcard - If only MAD or Fnatic make it through then they arenât.
Kaiâsa buff=meta=RNG winning worlds
Ban Kaisa simple as that
RNG at worlds Clueless
I love analysis in league of legends. It's like everyone has short term memory. CLG almost beats C9, leaving C9 to win 2 /5 games only because CLG themselves int and somehow C9 is now okay vs the world elite.
G2 3/0's rogue one week before getting 0/3'd by rogue and somehow rogue is now magically so much of a better team everywhere I look.
To be fair Cathedral doesnt do this but I still had to say it xD
Lol analysts at it's finest
Narrative Merchants.
Because that wasnt either team at their peak???? Idk how thats so hard to understand. Both teams have a chance because they showed their peak performances can be competitive. Is it really that hard to understand?
C9 was 3rd seed last year and took out LPL and LEC teams. They look stronger than last year.
Okay⊠then after the CLG series, C9 went onto turbo stomp the rest of play offs with them winning 3-0 in the finals with no game being more than 30 min. Also C9 has gotten out of groups pretty much every year they have went to Worldâs so pretty L take my guyâŠ.
Kinda excited about group B and C.
Want to see how G2 and DK match each other and how Rogue performs against Eastern teams.
so excited to see berserker vs guma
Group B looks like they are very similar power lvl in my opinion, would love to see g2 and dwn
i think JDJ is #1 and G2 and DK battle for seat 2.
Homeboy tried to label the LPL champs and tournament favourites JDG as "same level" as DK and G2. I can't. Lmao.
@@Nikolaj2nd Bruh. JDG choked in groups in 2020 and lost a game to PSG. You really must be a fantard, if you think JDG is immune to choking. And we have absolutely no idea how good ShowMaker, Canyon, Nuguri, Deokdam will look at worlds... if they all play their best, there would definitely be a mid and top gap, probably a jungle gap, too. Point is, as much as I like JDG, they have a bot lane that hasn't been to worlds before and, despite Hope and Missing being insane this year, that doesn't mean they can't choke.
@@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV I never said they couldn't choke, but if you're gonna use the logic that Hope and Missing will play their first Worlds and can choke, then you have to apply it to Deokdam and Kellin too as it is the same case for them. Also have to factor in that they have been terrible all year, so they're even more likely to choke on the big stage.
JDG 2020 is not JDG 2022.
GenG(ay) get destroyed in World 2018 so you said what for that ? :)
You are fangay of LCKekw.
JDG 2022 = Samsung White 2014 , same playstyle.
damwon is completely reliant on the daeny gambling factor
He almost ruined T1, and now he does it in DK. He got so much credit for winning 2020 worlds with DK, but obviously it wasn't his talent but players'.
@@iodidesodalite8099 Deany wasnât the head coach in 2020 tho, itâs Zefa
No need. I think even daeny put burdol in showmaker would still destroy g2. Thats his main goal since 2019 after worlds đđ
Can someone tell me how he draws on the website and in games sometimes when heâs watch partying?
Donât forget that Not eastern Teams have the advantage of knowing best of 1s. Just remember Gigabyte Marines vs fanatic or g2 2 years ago with nocturne funnel
all i can say :
RIP EU & NA teams
LCK & LPL players are just aliens
EU made recently 2 World finals and won MSI. They will be fine. lol
@@rickyismyuncle4485 recently : 2019 and 2018
@@axelcisneros7679
thats like almost 2 outta 4 finals lol I will take those odds for EU to progress. Im a betting man.
@@rickyismyuncle4485 problem is EU looked much stronger going into worlds in those years. The gap has widened since then.
@@rickyismyuncle4485 Clueless
as strong as LPL teams are, something about group stages that makes them sus lol. WEST only chance is to pray that LPL keeps the traditions of LPL dropping games in group stages.
It comes down to , if you want to be the best , you have to beat the best.
5:30 exactly what I want
but I know then riot will put all LCK and LPL teams on one side of the bracket...
Mad have a good chance of qualifying cause they would be 3rd in playins and face either eg or fnc ( the 2nd of the other group) which is doable. FNC just has to get 1st in an easy group.
mad has to beat rng and drx to qualify first
@@__-qn8ts no they dont.
@@lemartn8921 playins bracket man
@@__-qn8ts no they dont need to win. As statet in the parent comment they get third.
@@lemartn8921 it's only the top 2 from each playins bracket
I dont even think it should be embarrassing for western teams to not make it out of groups anymore because of how stacked these groups look. I think for EU its sided toward them because you expect at least Rogue to get in but still it will be hard.
Well DRX for most of summer looked like the clear 6th best team in LCK and then they managed to clutch up/LSB choke to make worlds, so if EU's best team cant beat what has been koreas 6th best team and clearly the worst LCK/LPL team in the tournament to get out of groups that would be kind of embarrassing, i mean in the context of this tournament its literally the wests best vs the easts worst.
@@sashin2661 that would really look bad on EU if DRX gets out instead of RGE
Wasnât MAD not the only one not to have to have to abide to the: no team from same region in the same group - rule? And only if FNC als make it out? FNC doesnât have that I donât think
ye, fnc are always group A, if mad get out they can go to B
Fact: gam and tes training together during summer split
I wouldn't mind having 8 teams from lpl and lck in quarters but I would hate if all lck teams or lpl teams are on one side of the bracket.
Exactly 2020 lpl 3 team 1 side. Then 2021 lck 3 team 1 side. No. No no
dont agree with the take on JDG but I can definitely see G2 beating DK and C9 taking games away from T1 and EDG.
This year is stacked
so fucking pumped for worlds man
I believe all LCK teams will qualify for the knockout stages considering they are very strong in BO1 especially in World
T1 looks shaky as hell. Even in their undefeated spring, they dropped a ton of game 1s which would have cost them if lck was bo1
@@hipposheep mate, after joining in 2013, only gen g(2013,2018) failed to qualify from the group stage, even when they struggled to read the meta they still managed to get at least 2 teams in the first position of the group stage
DRX? XDDD drx is bad
@@hipposheep T1 looked even more shakier in 2021 summer, that some people were even doubting they could beat 100 sins
And then they proceeded to top the group like they always do, get off the copium my dude đ
@@hipposheep see thats the thing, they drop alot of first games because they play a bo3, do you really think they would play as recklessly as they did if lck was bo1s? no, they do so because they know they can afford to drop game 1
I think western teams have a decent chance cuz they are bo1 and honestly i think c9 might have a chance at beating t1 and edg at bo1, just not in a bo5
Remember, MAD is #1
C9, T1, EDG, FNC is actually such a banger group
imagine FNC G2 in the same group at worlds, never thought I'd see that
Imagine If they make it Out!
and u aint gonna see that this time too ...only mad is exception to the regional rule so only they can go to grpb if they get out...fnc is locked in grp a if they get out
@@subhajitnaskar6033 ah thanks for explaining
People disrespecting DK so much. Rightfully so to an extent tho, but I feel they can beat any team. Also lose to any team lol
Dk from play off and regional finals is a different beast to regular season, I cant imagine to canyon/showmaker out in groups
Bro we say the same thing last year as well â yea T1 and EDG and DW are scarier in B05â then they all absolutely destroyed their group
just cuz they are scarier in BO5 doesnt mean they are weak in BO1 its just that in BO5 you are going to piss yourself facing them
They were in much better shape than this season though
@@eduardomissi7804 Absolutly false... Especialy for T1 they were in a very bad shape (at least it was what people thought)... They were even rated below MAD... BELOW MAD
@@loxmodum8099 lol mad doesnât even win Bo5 this year
@@loxmodum8099 many people so dumb rating on team, T1 lose to geng 0-3 so but win spring and in summer goes 15-3 , so what team should do to get better rating from fans ?
The only solution to worlds format is either make it a bo3 on groups or bo1 but let the 3rd team qualify and make a lower bracket. Fans just dont understand keep on saying its UNFAIR for upper bracket winners. Most players would agree on bo3 and lower bracket I would assume, these players play their entire life literally 12-14 hrs or more a day, they deserve to play more games atleast, and even very strong teams KNOW they can have a bad day, its literally a win for everyone
Have fun my friends
The rule is MAD can go in any any group. Unfortunately fnatic is forced to be group a, so group b will have either mad, eg or someone like sgb or byg. or CHF (oce copium)
what if mad doesn't make worlds?
@@raresanea7585 MAD is locked to worlds arldy
@@spongetop2699 i think he meant get through play-ins though I may be wrong
@@raresanea7585 then the team that gets in instead of mad goes to B
SGB will smash MAD 3 1 in BO5 so you guys don't have to worry about EU 4th seed
Where is all this copium coming from about C9? T1s slump wasn't big enough to make C9 their equals lmao...and T1 not a BO1 team? They have 89% wr in bo1s across a decade with all different rosters (except Faker). Oh yeah this Meta favours T1 and Damwon too so lets see some more copium about C9 who made it through a similar group 5 years ago when EDG was shit and didn't have Viper smfh
World gonna be fun!
If the EU-rule apply, and MAD get through play ins, doesn't that mean that one of DRX or RNG don't make it in play ins (since MAD,DRX and RNG is in the same group). Then MAD or FNC could get seeded in group C or D depending on which of DRX and RNG that looses.
Even if mad gets out as 1st or 2nd seed for some god foresaken reason,, the 3rd seed crossplays the 2nd seed from the other group so drx/rng can both still make it out.
@@seanzano6634 yeah okey that sucks
@@seanzano6634 Because 1 group is infinitely weaker than the other is why they did that - Itâs to make things a bit more even because if you get screwed over and land in the group with the 2 strongest teams⊠you are essentially playing for nothing because you have no chance of making it out - this at least gives other teams a chance to make it out.
Actually Rogue looked so good in Finals. Maybe they can manage to get out of groups!
I mean if RGE loses against the worst eastern team in the tournament, then it would be extremely embarrassing for the west . RGE has to get out of groups it's a matter of pride
@@aminsoussi2354 worst eastern team is either saigon buffalo or beyond gaming no?
@@JayW-um9rm well you are right but i am talking about the major regions
They should be able to get out of groups I feel.
@@aminsoussi2354 I can guarantee you that Rouge wonât gonna win a single game against GAM. GAM has higher chances than rouge.
Playins look banger, groups look banger. As an NA fan, normally this is about the time of year I get that "perpetual failure" anxiety for our teams, but idk man our groups look okay. Group A is obviously strong as fuck but C9 has always been the NA team that performs, and the throwback group is iconic, especially if FNC ends up getting out and sorted into A
If it's exactly like the 2017 Worlds group, then maybe C9 is going to quarters
I love spicy groups but 6 Best of 1s to decide your whole year make it really unforgiving
yep, it's do or die for every team, so they better work their ass off, there is no place for bitching in worlds, either you smash or you get smashed
The groups are balanced and really hard.
There is a possibility that FNC and EG get out of Group 1 and RNG and Mad/DRX get out of group 2. I don't think teams 4-7 in LCK are better then the same positions in LEC so I am not sure about DRX in Bo1. If RNG and Mad get out of group 2 we going to have 4 teams from LPL and LEC and only 3 from LCK in the main stage:
GrA: C9 T1 EDG FNC/Mad
GrB: JDG G2 DWK EG
GrC: RGE TES GAM FNC/Mad
GrD: GenG CFO 100T RNG
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
LEC cannot win against LCK
Eu and na isnt the only ones who can choke we seen lpl/lck choke aswell they are not some kind of gods that r unbeatable
LCK choked like once ... ever, in the history of the modern Worlds format lol. GEN.G was the only LCK team to not make it past groups. So, it's more on LPL as far as not meeting expectations. I'd say the thing to watch is if an LCK team doesn't get first place, rather than thinking they won't make it.
i didnât realize deft and the boys made the run for his last worlds đđ»
I don't think it's his last worlds, he delayed his military service I'm pretty sure.
He said he's not retiring after this worlds so it's not his last run
To be fair on the C9 point, if they werent, RGE would have been in knockouts so it wasnt thaaat close from no western teams in knockouts. It was 3 bo1s away :D
Or if FPX won 1 Bo1 in groups proper to eliminate them both without tiebreakers.
Itâs a bit of a doomer take when you consider you could also say âwe were 2 Bo1âs away from half the field being westernâ and have it also be true (100t making it out and TL making it out)
also fnc and g2 were 3 bo1s away from winning worlds in 2018 and 2019
FNC is pretty much locked group A. MAD is the only one exempt from the rule. So mad or EG go group B
12.18 is Meta for DK and RNG.
T1 too, but yeah DK and RNG also. People are writing DK and RNG off early without realising its a great meta for them
What makes you say that, genuine question cause I haven't seen anything on the world's patch yet
@@princesstoni8116 kaisa buffs + enchanter nerfs
@@princesstoni8116 riot basically bringing back the spring 2022 meta with huge buff of Top-side carry and nerfted hard enchanters zeri-sivir..
@UC4y2GSX3AJnojqD4wb8woPw ohhh that's hype actually, maybe 100t can take a game off gen g then, I did a little looking up and the meta sorta leans towards them too with the lee sin buffs if it's good
Viewer : DK is bad
Also Damwon in groups
2019 with Nuclear-int đ : 5-1
2020 : 5-1
2021 : 6-0
Surely they are bad, and wonât make it through groups this time
G2 fans can start praying for DK or JDG to choke. Jankos + Targamas vs Kanavi + Missing sounds like a nightmare. But this time DKÂŽs bot and top will int enough for G2 to win. Copium.
Mate its 2022, few months can change everything in league of legends and youre talking about results from 3 years ago?
For real, they're "bad" but they're not NA/EU bad lol. Same with people thinking Berserker/Zven will beat Guma/Keria
@@sebastianspyrzewski3147 in these 3 âlongâ years you are talking about they managed to qualify to worlds 3 times in a row without missing a year
They also managed to top every groups these 3 past years, itâs called being consistent as an organization and always meeting expectations you know?
If few months can changes league of legends like you say, how did Damwon manage to consistently top every group theyâve been in throughout these 3 years in a row
Same way with how SKT/T1 always manage to top every groups theyâve been in worlds historically, but sure whatever helps you to cope harder
@@Lilmajudi ...and it still has nothing to do with current year
This worlds seems a bit hype, like everyone is just like "All right, which teams are gonna show up or look like hot dog water" but it's also worlds so, the teams should be expected to show up.
Watching dom's vods on LPL, LPL being bloody as always makes me wonder if the early kills are going to determine the game or they're going to be running it. LS kind of made LCK seem kind of odd/weird as well atm especially with drafts and players being shells of their former glory. People probably going to mostly vote for the more mechanically better teams out of habit but I think we're really going to have to wait for drafts to see which teams did their homework, polished their craft, expanded their champ pools, and see who the hell is just smurfing at worlds. Im hyped.
T1 with issues still got 2nd in LCK though. Still expect them to make it out.
i secretly wants LPL vs LCK playoffs so that riot's viewership will tank and they will finally do something about the format MAYBE
Do you realized lck and lpl viewerships carry riot right ? The western viewership is shit compare to those 2 region
i agree but lpl vs lck will bring in crazy viewership tho, t1 gets guaranteed 2 mil +
Will tank? Arent DK vs EDG just broke records last year? Most in league? Also had almost 500M viewers from chinese platforms like huya and bilibili.
The only reason I even bother watching LCS and maybe others would agree is that LCS bribes me with in game loot, and even then, I leave it running in the background and donât event watch it
@@ksjsjhss3475 cant blame him really cause most westerners think everything revolves around them
Guma + Keria seriously need to step up bcos atm theyâre the weakest point of T1 and we all remember what happened to Damwon last yearâŠ
Its a good job T1's champs are coming back into meta then, and enchanter supports are nerfed, which is great for Keria and ming x
@@creatinepowder167 Everyone says this but who exactly got buffed?
Is the yuumi nerf really the end of the enchanter meta?
well have you seen the meta changes? seems like Guma and Keria should be having a renaissance
@@xXWorldgamefunXx engage supps have been buffed, while enchanter nerfed. its enough to have a good cc supp to counter yuumi
yuumi nerfed, nami lucian nerfed, thresh buffed, caitlyn, tristana buffed, zeri, sivir, kalista nerfed
Didnt Riot took out the restrictions of Regions for the teams that didn't qualify for the worlds directly?
Does the rule allowing double EU teams in the same group not apply to LPL teams also, meaning they don't have to go in group D? Or is that a rule which applies only to EU?
its a special rule because 1 region cannot join (i believe russian lcl) and lec got the 4th spot because of this. MAD does count as a wildcard region cause they placed 4th and replace that team drawwise. LCK and LPL have their 4th spots due to worlds+msi seedings and have the normal no double regional teams per group rule applied.
No it only applies to EU because EU is going in place of LCL whereas China and LCK had 4 seeds anyway.
@@maxbraun9109 I thought as much, but wasn't certain, thanks for clear that up!
I think C9 going out depends on how good Jensen can play he is undeniably the weakest part of C9 and if mid collapses Berserker, Blaber and Fudge don't have chances to carry the games.
Group A literally all depends on if T1 throws their BO1âs like they do so often. As a T1 fan, I hate the BO1 style, it doesnât show the full skill set of each team. It does make âcontentâ though, which is all NA gives a shit about.
@@lumivoid950 I wouldn't worry, T1 found their feet last year at worlds in BO1 group stage and I think get a little complacent at times knowing they are always playing in BO3's domestically. Seeing them get challenged is the best thing for them to improve
@@lumivoid950 T1 is a literal god in Bo1, they got top 1 last year even tho people are doubting them as they are having issues with their coach
lets not forget the T1 vs C9 highlights where Jenssen got schooled by Faker
@@anaepeot they just promoted Bengi to headcoach. Plus the recent meta changes are in their favor
Mark my words. no western team will get out of groups.
i don't know what happen, but since yesterday KR player seems step up massively, especially some of the jungler. it seems like they step up mentally because they win a lot scrims lately
If Riot doesn't want League to completely die in the west before they can cash in on the name recognition with the mmo, they really need to either change the format or let other orgs make international tournaments. We barely see our teams play in BO5s. BO1 has been said to be bad for a game like league since before I started watching in late 2012.
Right now at Worlds we kinda rely on 1-2 LPL teams to collapse in groups and 1-2 LEC/LCS teams to hyperbolic time chamber up during bootcamp for top8s to not be lck civil war on one side and lpl civil war on the other.
we wants to see the best teams play the game, wtf is this reservation system for west. Just because you shitty system cant produce good teams why other teams from other region needs to be punished.
@@Lolking9 Double elim and getting rid of BO1s doesn't punish shit. Worlds is the only time teams from all over the world can play other regions in a competitive capacity. Seeing more matchups is good for everyone.
Now just imagine this: *breathes hopium for breakfast*
EG, FNC and MAD make it out
C9 and EUteam1 make it out of Group A
G2 and EG make it out of Group B
RGE and TES make it out of Group C
EUteam2 and 100 make it out of Group D
And TES still win worlds xd
Its so fucked up for minor region teams to play against rng and drx in play ins, I personally think that having 4 seeds for any region was a massive mistake.
Yeah we need more garbage teams in quarters so half the international bo5s we get per year are low quality stomps. I personally fondly look back at H2K stomping Albus Nox Dumbledore before being stomped in the semis. That was peak entertainment
Tbh if its so outrageous for minor region teams to play juggernauts in the play ins, what's the point? I understand there's sentiment and pride to represent their region at worlds, but in the end it boils down to the major region teams. If minor region teams are representing at worlds, they should have to prove themselves imo. What's the point in them showing up every year and getting crushed? Worlds is also one of two international events we get in the year, surely seeds should be given to the teams showing the highest level of competition over inclusivity for the sake of it?
We know how good DW at world đ
The thing is I want 10 team make it in groups. The 1st and 2nd in their group would make it out, and every 3rd and 4th on their groups play Bo3 to face each other then the 4 teams who won battle it out; the winners will be placed on the lower bracket.
sounds great but what the fuck would a 10 team playoff bracket look like?
@@sashin2661 it looks like LPL format but with a twist
@@worstjgleuw6658 Sure but with 4 groups how do u decide the seeding for a similar format to the LPL, cant run a gauntlet type format like the LPL playoffs when 4 teams will come into it as the same seed. And u said the last 2 get placed in a lower bracket so top 8 with a lower bracket of 2 teams on the side?
@@sashin2661 well 1st the format would be all the 2nd would faced each other in round, then the all the 1st seed will face each other in a BO1 or BO3 match and the winners takes the higher seeding in the bracket. Then the ones who lost in the battle of the 2nd seed will go on the looser bracket which will they face the winners of the wild card rule.
@@sashin2661 as for to know who's facing who in the pool 1, it's gonna be a group draw but when perchance two of them are on the same region they'll have to face each other to avoid cannibalism and the looser will go to other winners lower seed.
G2 fnc will made it out from groups and meet in finals.
C9 will win Worlds
Im waiting some crazy peformance from GAM
Let's say FNC, MAD, RNG and DRX make it out. Wouldn't FNC have to go into group A since they count as EU 3rd seed whereas MAD count as the Russian seed? Or am I wrong. Im confused since Caedral did this example just having FNC in group B and MAD in group A.
I do not think that's possible tho, but I could be wrong. Idk anymore
Yeah, lets say DRX and RNG make it out, then if FNC make it through they go Group A, if FNC and MAD make it out its Group A for FNC and Group B for MAD, and if only MAD make it, its group A for MAD. The ruling that MAD can go into a group with another LEC team, is only in effect, if both LEC teams make it through play in.
You are right,
even T1 playing bad still better than lot of team....
we can all agree that the gap between west and east has never been so large as in 2022.... thats kind of sad...
and i have to think... what will riot do if there is a quarters with only lpl/lck teams? like worlds format change, league change (na,eu), something to make the west more competitive... because if there is a quarters with no western team... the views will go down... and thats something riot would not want... pretty complicated situation...
its the same as in regular sports, f.e. football... premier league is the most viewed, most money making and most interesting league because it is the most competitive.... its simple as that....less competition = less interest = less views = less money.....
In season 5 and 6 the gap was even larger.
No worries, T1 will boost viewership even w/o NA EU
@@IsomerSoma season 5 fnc and og were in semis....season 6 h2k was in semis.... better than 2021 were only 2 western teams were in quarters by a bit of luck....
@@TheChreezyy Ah yes, beating FPX twice in a day the ultimate luck move
they trying to mimic format from actual sports but don't understand it's bad for competitiveness in esports, league pro circuit outdated so much it almost feels like it's from the game 10 years ago
Quarters is gonna be all lck / lpl
So in Short the major region is locked in and the minor region is fck and when I say minor, we include LCS and LEC