When Should You Take Characters to L60 in Zenless Zone Zero? | Resource Efficiency Guide
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0:00 TLDR
1:46 Stopping Point
3:48 Level damage difference
10 years? We prolly getting vr gacha games by then.
fr, just imagine ready player one but GACHA
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With the way vr has been going, we’ll be lucky to get Beat Saber 2 in 10 years
I wouldn't even know if I still alive or have time for gaming in 10 years
Pretty much on point of what u said. I have played Genshin for 4 years now since launch and in this game if u played this long u eventually resource hoard for so long that u can pretty much lvl up characters to max. I say HSR by far the easiest to hoard resources bcs the autoplay and also been playing the game since launch and i almost lvl up every characters i have to max lvl 80. For HSR, i did what EOD mentioned on focusing main characters u use first and then slowly progressed to others after u finish the 1st batch.
In Genshin and HSR Did you reach A point in game where you had to spend a ton of actual money to progress or was it relatively F2P friendly?
This answered another question I was thinking about but didn't test yet, which was it looked like stun wasn't affected by level which is really nice.
It's still affected indirectly because it opens skill caps, so the core passive bonus and daze values of the hits all increase.
I've heard people talk of this damage increase, but it's nice to see proof of it. Wonder if that will allow me to get S rank on critical floor 7. Current at A rank, though barely lol.
It likely will. For reference, I had A A B on critical floor 5 6 7, when I had both of my main dps at level 50. After leveling them up to 60(weapon still 50), I have now manage to S rank everything. Stunner and support are still at 40.
Would be interesting to see the dmg difference for Anomaly characters specifically - with things like disorder too. I would like to know if theres an even bigger Level-based damage difference for these 'reactions' compared to pure damage with crit, similar to how Genshin reactions like Hyperbloom scale so heavily with levels (the levels themselves rather than just the base stats that increase).
I leveled grace to level 60 and I can't tell for sure cuz I was running 0hollow, but it looked like dmg was significant, pretty much same as bloom dmg difference in genshin from 80to90.
Anomaly level multiplier at level 50 is 1,83, while at level 60 is 2
Also there is dmg increase, because of level difference between character and enemy. Higher level - more dmg based on this difference. Lvl factor for lvl50 is 592, while lvl60 is 794
Watching Guoba’s breakdown of Anomaly damage, that’s what stood out to me as possibly flipped in this video as character level goes into the damage calculation twice rather than once like Attack; first for damage to Defense then for Level multipliers. So anomaly characters are “cheaper” because gear matters less since you can’t crit, but level and core skills seem to matter more. No shade on EOD here, the content is great, but coming from HSR I got used to seeing Guoba’s number crunching. I wouldn’t feel good about sharing a direct link in another creator’s content but you can search Guoba’s Anomaly pretty easily and see the math there.
It is wild that i was literally just thinking about how and when to start boosting ny mains to 50 from lv 45! Thanks, man!
Thanks for sacrificing your ingame-ressources!
Dude, I just want to get those delicious Master Tapes.
The resource cost in ZZZ seems so damn high, even if I wanted to pull for 1.1 characters I have 0 resources for Ellen and Zhu Yuan.
I've always done it by 1 character at a time or 1 team evenly built at a time, never rushed to ''maintenance'' mode either.
This is a really useful guide, thank you so much!
Farm "quite a number of times" is a huge understatement lol. I've never done that much XP, Weapons XP and currency farming in the past 2 hoyo games compared to ZZZ. The significant lack of lootable chests, and the lack of upgrading materials from quests and end game make it really tough to upgrade characters starting L40. I've never felt the currency in such short supply compared to other Hoyo titles.
Yeah, ZZZ probably has 300 stamina per day, but comparing what those 300 stamina can do for my characters in contrast to HSR and GI, I've lost all interest to grind ZZZ's dailies and end game, told myself I'll give it to 1.2 to decide, but I'm already at the point of flatlining even before 1.1 reaches. 300 stamina is just meaninngless numbers when the cost is asking for a lot more than other titles from the same company.
You aint wrong in that aspect,
Assuming you want a fresh new char at Interknot 50 and get them to the following point:
Lvl 60 Agent
lvl 60 wengine (if you pull on their signature)
Talent A B C D
Skill 7,7,7,7,7
Youre gonna need 23.66 days or round it up to 24 days
Or if you max refresh each day, it will be around 9-10 Days
This also assumes you dont have a battlepass, which is a resource draught on its own
tbf the max level is 60 instead of 90. I imagine going from 40 to 50 is 40 - 70, and 50 to 60 is 70-90. It will exhaust your resources though right?
You’re crying and complaining about getting a character to level 60? When the game gives you everything ready and available in a hub, you really can’t please everyone
after i got the correct main stats of my artifacts i would just usually level up the characters and their talents to max as it is resin efficient compared to perfecting all the artifacts in genshin, the same is done on my HSR and ZZZ in the future
Immediately after you unlock Interknot level 50 for your DPS, it’s a guaranteed damage upgrade no question.
Thank you for the testing and info😊
Given bosses can now 2-shot a lvl.50 I would recommend everyone to make sure their on-field agents are lvl.60
This reminds me of the painful experience when I started playing GI years ago and had to strategize everything. Now though, I can probably kill Narwhal(The whale boss) by throwing exp. book or moras at it.
Thats why Im not upgrading Anby just yet. Im waiting on Qingyi banner and if I win 50/50 I will upgrade her instead of Anby
What's the priority with upgrading an agent's kit though? Should I do other stuff first when I reach level 55 with an Agent? Should I be making my other DPS also level 55 before I make one 60? Should I hardfocus 60?
Decided to test my damage with Lv.50 agents on Shiyu Defense and honestly I was surprised how far I was able to push with only having upgraded my disk drives, barely didn't clear 17, mainly because I'm using a Soldier 11 team for second half so I'm not hitting weakness. IKL48, almost 49 so next week I'll unlock Lv.60 and should make it a pretty comfortable clear. It could also have been a skill issue thing, surely better play would have made that last bit of health clearable but tbh I'd rather wait for more damage to make up for skill issue lmao.
EOD, since there is a DMG Penalty, could you test Daze Penalty for being underleveled?
So would you recommend even ascending our supports to 50/60 (e.g. nicole, lucy) or wait until our DPS and even stun are 60 and 55 respectively before bothering ascending supports?
But what about the other characters while you’re focusing on your dmg first. Should they be level 1?
this game needs pumps up number of resource... with the banner keep releasing new character dunno how we leveling other character while our main not even at max level
I will probably not pull for a while because of that and just max everything on Ellen. I guess in a way the resources being so little helps with the gambling urge. I mean, what is the point of getting a new shiny 5 star if they are going to be stuck at 40/45 with low talents and bad drive discs?
it's the first patch, you're not expected to always max
Game barely has 1 and a half months, just wait up it will eventually come. In star rail I was struggling with the money, and xp resources each time after a handful of upgrades. Now after a year I can max out the level of a character in a session and keep upgrading talents without going broke. Now we could always use more per stamina consumed but these gacha want you to keep loggin in so it's usually a lost cause unless it affects player experience to the point people start leaving
@@RayRMT i know the game only for a month... but do u experience the resource drought in your 1st month of HSR or genshin? i never have that experience from what i remember on 1st month... but yea... hope it will get better later...
@@EllyasveilI think your memory is foggy. You would have seen the same issues in the first month of GI and HSR, I know I did.
You got to remember that gacha games are a marathon, not a sprint. You're not going to max all your characters unless you want to burn money.
Do you recommend focusing first on character level, or would you also level up, for example, Ellen's Wengine before moving onto levelling Zhu Yuan?
Hey bro, great vid. I have a genuine question Qingyi or Jane doe for team comps?
102 hours of playing so far, all F2P 0 money spent, finished everything, platinum trophy on PS5, have 3 main characters on 60 with 60 wengines, my second 3 are all on 50 with 50 w engines. Core skills on all 6 4 unlocked, every other skill on 9 for all 6six characters. With 6 battery replenishes per day, I reckon I need 6 more days to make my second team on 60 all around.
First team, Neko/Anby/Nicole Second Piper/Lucy/Corin
Dang bro no limited characters yet???
ye thats where the saying comes a gacha is not a sprint, its a marathon...i guess normal player can plan up to half a year to have 2 groups rdy full leveled and geared, probably longer if they pull some new agents in between that would replace some alrdy leveled ones. It also depends how many events and free mats they give and battlepass at the begin is also a huge boost for the first few patches.
What about W-Engines? Should the DPS W-Engine hold priority over upgrading my Stun and Support?
Definitely the DPS W-Engine first. Actually, just finish raising your DPS entirely before you let your supports catch up. That includes their prioritized Skills as well.
Yea, the amount needed for 60 is insane.
getting to lvl 60 the denny cost is insane imo
team 55 🙌
Would leveling an agent's level take priority over their skills and w-engines? What would the priority look like?
Upgrading the lvl is definitely the first thing to do. Unlocks new core passive nodes, can upgrade skills further, get an ATK boost, and increases Anomaly DMG. W-Engine would be next, followed by Skills. And your preferred Bangboo somewhere near the end.
Does anyone know how to increase rank to legendary proxy rank?
I levelled my Zhu Yuan to 60 because she's hot.
Is lvl up stunner is more matter then support? Is their daze also got penalized? I just focus build my dps and buffer since they give more dmg benefit to main dps. (Ik42 all shiyu 10 S clear and 11-14 A)
Tengo una pregunta sobre si hacer build up pity o no para el siguiente personaje y otra es, tengo discos de elementos con atributos que potencian otros elementos diferentes a los que son sus sets, conviene conservarlos ?
Seems like you don't get Anton as your main dps.
Your advise works for dps that always in the field.
Anton team need to cover him in the field.
when skill issue or just shit luck becomes so unbearable, you go lvl 60 to S-rank shiyu 17 this season.
if you have ellen, zhu yuan and either lycaon or koleda for just one side, you can s-rank everything right now at lvl 50
im was thinking only Greatest DPS should 60 lvl and Anomaly,Stun,Support and Def would 50 or 40 was worth ?
If your Anomaly is your main DPS, or even Sub DPS, you definitely want to get them to 60. Anomaly DMG scales with lvl.
You'll eventually want to get your Stun and Support units to 60 too, but it's not as important.
Leveling up your stunner also determines how much daze they do on an enemy. I know you stunned a trash mob which is easy, but the elites and bosses get dazed more or less depending on the stunners lvl discrepancy. Obviously Impact effect it and a few more things like skill lvl and disk, but the actual lvl of your stunner can make the difference between having to use 3 CA and/or 3 ex skill or take up to 5 if your stunner is super low lvl.
I saw a vid stating that leveling up stunners don't actually raises the impact, just other stats i think like attack and some other stuff
I actually testes that with Anby and it actually doesnt increase from 40 to 60, the Only thing you can do is LVL their skills tbh for more daze
@@lordkaizer44 I dont know what you did but i just re tested it and it take 5 ex skiills with my Lycaon (he's lvl 40) to stun a lvl 70 boss, and only 3 if it's the same lvl as me.
@@hansdiep2029no one mentioned levels increasinf impact lmao, what the op is saying is that it increases the base DAZE done by a stunner
@@hansdiep2029 Leveling them doesnt "increase" their impact, because impact comes from other sources. However, what they lied to you about is leveling your stunner allows you to use more of that impact on enemies. If the enemy is 20-30 lvls up on your stunner then their impact is nerfed vs them. Example: it takes 5 ex skills to stun a lvl 70 boss with my lvl 40 Lycaon, but only 3 if the boss is lvl 40. Also NO stat effects daze other than impact, daze multipliers aka skill lvl, core skils. even attack and weapon base attack doesnt affect daze amount. All other stats just affect your stunners "chip" damage on enemies until the enemies are daze which even fully build dps they still do ass damage.
Is 60 the max level on zenless?
For now yes
Level penalty is kinda a dumb mechanic, being low level is already a penalty on its own. If only they added a skill based system, like perfect assists/counter attacking doing fixed damage
I'm doing it immediately because I dgaf. Every single member of the team.
First gatcha?
@@proggz39 no. There's literally no point. There's no pvp, you have the entirety of the games lifespan to do whatever you want. Min max if you want to. Idc
Love this game but I really hate this artificially inflated difficulty bs.
i just hit interknot level 60... And despite only having 2 teams i cannot level even 1 character to 60... But all the difficuly of the missions has increased. How am i supposed to deal with that ffs?! Like i get it that it's the long game and all of that but i cannot engage with some content now anymore for crying out loud... I thought i had to level up the interknot because future events might need me to be but now i feel like i'm screwed. Like the leap is just to absurd. Now i have to even farm the level up materials AND the Dennies?! It was bad enough when i had to focus on the skill materials alone ffs
stop create fake problem，u play day to day…u will reach max one day….i deleted zzz just stop repeating cycle