I think there is a deeper discussion to be had about social media and it’s role in getting our work/art/ideas out into a public beyond the blanket “realist” notion that “we need it”. What I mean is: are all social networks equally fucked up? Might it be better to be more discriminating about which ones we use? Which social network is better suited to navigating a healthy relationship with your public and the platform? Our relationship with our electric brains has got us in this cultural left/right, lower consciousness trip and we are going to have to articulate a way to move forward as a community in conversation and moving toward a new way, not left or right, not centrist. Beyond these old paradigms, futurist, visionary, beyond rationality into the arms of Beatrice and up the proverbial Mountain. But that’s just a thought from a listener, fan, future friend, and 44 year old Anarcho-Mystic Veteran of the American Counter Culture. Wonderful channel. -The Hanged Man
The next challenge in space exploration could be to return to the Moon. Take a small portion of the resources wasted on weapons systems and put it towards a moonbase.
Hey man, good convo. Could you please recommend good literature for beginners to understand the occult? I can read more difficult stuff, if that’s truly where the best books are, but I’d prefer good introductory literature on the occult that’s for someone unfamiliar with the related/relevant jargon. When I say I know nothing about “the” occult, I mean I really know next to nothing. You say you know a lot about it, so I’m guessing/hoping you know the best place to start... Any suggestions you have would be appreciated. Thanks, man!✌🏼🙏🏼
One of my favorite book's on the occult/magic is Catherine MacCoun's On Becoming an Alchemist. It deals with practical magic in a very accessible way and is a good introduction to actually doing magic. She ghost writes self-help books and it has that kind of style to it. It also contains a list of books in the suggested reading. If you are interested in digging into symbolism and such check out Manly P Hall The Secret Teachings of All Ages. For more history Gareth Knight's Magic and The Western Mind or some of the books by Frances Yates like Giordano Bruno and The Hermetic Tradition.. Once you work through some of that check out the anonymously written Meditations on The Tarot.
I could write an entire essay here, but I would encourage you to look at Moon mining. Bazos, in particular, isn't trying to escape Earth, but he's trying to extract resources from off world. Musk is the one that is trying to move people to Mars. I don't know if it will work. In fact, I can grant you and Lyta that many people will die trying to get to Mars. Reproduction, radiation, effects of low or no gravity on the body, extreme isolation - these are all major problems, but these are all *technical* challenges. It seems like empty cynicism to say "these are all problems, so it will never happen". That seems like a strange stance to take. If you do nothing then the only thing you are doing is leaving the future open to being controlled and influenced by people you don't agree with.
I'm going to have to disagree. These are not technical challenges. They are ecological challenges. Overcoming them would mean having to alter human beings drastically in a way that does not seem possible or desirable. Trying to achieve this by other means would be prohibitively expensive if we could do it. I don' think we can or should try to solve every problem. There are limits to what we can do. Try as you might, you can't kiss the back of your own head. I guess I would ask: Why do we need to solve these problems? It is not necessary for human survival as nowhere is more conducive to life than earth, so space travel does not seem necessary. As for moon or asteroid mining, I have looked into it. Again, if we could pull it off it seems it would be incredibly expensive and possibly not worth it. If the billionaires want to have a stab at this future, they are welcome to it. I don't think there is a future in these dreams. This is not a matter of getting one unproven technology to work at home where you can fix it. It is a matter of getting scores of untested tech to work far away from home in the most hostile unpredictable conditions.
"Overcoming them would mean having to alter human beings drastically in a way that does not seem possible or desirable." Possible? Maybe, that is a matter of actually attempting it. Still, I agree with you - having humans in cans doesn't seem like a tenable solution. Where I disagree with you is that I think we should radically alter ourselves to survive up there. I don't understand why more people who are researching space don't look into human engineering. Still, I think we are mixing our is and oughts here. Should we engineer humanity to live in space? I mean, why not? Can we? That remains to be seen. I don't think the morality of "should we" mixes with the practical question of "can we". "Why do we need to solve these problems? It is not necessary for human survival as nowhere is more conducive to life than earth, so space travel does not seem necessary." Even if all were well with Earth, we are still one species on one planet. Both for the sake of doing something interesting as an answer to existential boredom and for the sake of diversifying assets, so to speak, we should go. " As for moon or asteroid mining, I have looked into it. Again, if we could pull it off it seems it would be incredibly expensive and possibly not worth it. " The initial investment for this is in the billions. The return is in the multiples of trillions. This matters because if the rich get their hands on that kind of wealth, then it's over. This is my frustration with this kind of blind cynicism - you do nothing, choosing instead to leave the future to proactive people you disagree with
I think there is a deeper discussion to be had about social media and it’s role in getting our work/art/ideas out into a public beyond the blanket “realist” notion that “we need it”. What I mean is: are all social networks equally fucked up? Might it be better to be more discriminating about which ones we use? Which social network is better suited to navigating a healthy relationship with your public and the platform? Our relationship with our electric brains has got us in this cultural left/right, lower consciousness trip and we are going to have to articulate a way to move forward as a community in conversation and moving toward a new way, not left or right, not centrist. Beyond these old paradigms, futurist, visionary, beyond rationality into the arms of Beatrice and up the proverbial Mountain. But that’s just a thought from a listener, fan, future friend, and 44 year old Anarcho-Mystic Veteran of the American Counter Culture. Wonderful channel. -The Hanged Man
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The next challenge in space exploration could be to return to the Moon. Take a small portion of the resources wasted on weapons systems and put it towards a moonbase.
Hey man, good convo.
Could you please recommend good literature for beginners to understand the occult? I can read more difficult stuff, if that’s truly where the best books are, but I’d prefer good introductory literature on the occult that’s for someone unfamiliar with the related/relevant jargon. When I say I know nothing about “the” occult, I mean I really know next to nothing. You say you know a lot about it, so I’m guessing/hoping you know the best place to start... Any suggestions you have would be appreciated. Thanks, man!✌🏼🙏🏼
One of my favorite book's on the occult/magic is Catherine MacCoun's On Becoming an Alchemist. It deals with practical magic in a very accessible way and is a good introduction to actually doing magic. She ghost writes self-help books and it has that kind of style to it. It also contains a list of books in the suggested reading.
If you are interested in digging into symbolism and such check out Manly P Hall The Secret Teachings of All Ages. For more history Gareth Knight's Magic and The Western Mind or some of the books by Frances Yates like Giordano Bruno and The Hermetic Tradition..
Once you work through some of that check out the anonymously written Meditations on The Tarot.
Never Speak In Absolutes Thanks, man. Much appreciated! ✌🏼
I could write an entire essay here, but I would encourage you to look at Moon mining. Bazos, in particular, isn't trying to escape Earth, but he's trying to extract resources from off world. Musk is the one that is trying to move people to Mars. I don't know if it will work. In fact, I can grant you and Lyta that many people will die trying to get to Mars.
Reproduction, radiation, effects of low or no gravity on the body, extreme isolation - these are all major problems, but these are all *technical* challenges. It seems like empty cynicism to say "these are all problems, so it will never happen". That seems like a strange stance to take. If you do nothing then the only thing you are doing is leaving the future open to being controlled and influenced by people you don't agree with.
I'm going to have to disagree. These are not technical challenges. They are ecological challenges. Overcoming them would mean having to alter human beings drastically in a way that does not seem possible or desirable. Trying to achieve this by other means would be prohibitively expensive if we could do it. I don' think we can or should try to solve every problem. There are limits to what we can do. Try as you might, you can't kiss the back of your own head.
I guess I would ask: Why do we need to solve these problems? It is not necessary for human survival as nowhere is more conducive to life than earth, so space travel does not seem necessary. As for moon or asteroid mining, I have looked into it. Again, if we could pull it off it seems it would be incredibly expensive and possibly not worth it.
If the billionaires want to have a stab at this future, they are welcome to it. I don't think there is a future in these dreams. This is not a matter of getting one unproven technology to work at home where you can fix it. It is a matter of getting scores of untested tech to work far away from home in the most hostile unpredictable conditions.
"Overcoming them would mean having to alter human beings drastically in a way that does not seem possible or desirable."
Possible? Maybe, that is a matter of actually attempting it. Still, I agree with you - having humans in cans doesn't seem like a tenable solution. Where I disagree with you is that I think we should radically alter ourselves to survive up there. I don't understand why more people who are researching space don't look into human engineering.
Still, I think we are mixing our is and oughts here. Should we engineer humanity to live in space? I mean, why not? Can we? That remains to be seen. I don't think the morality of "should we" mixes with the practical question of "can we".
"Why do we need to solve these problems? It is not necessary for human survival as nowhere is more conducive to life than earth, so space travel does not seem necessary."
Even if all were well with Earth, we are still one species on one planet. Both for the sake of doing something interesting as an answer to existential boredom and for the sake of diversifying assets, so to speak, we should go.
" As for moon or asteroid mining, I have looked into it. Again, if we could pull it off it seems it would be incredibly expensive and possibly not worth it. "
The initial investment for this is in the billions. The return is in the multiples of trillions. This matters because if the rich get their hands on that kind of wealth, then it's over. This is my frustration with this kind of blind cynicism - you do nothing, choosing instead to leave the future to proactive people you disagree with