Pat Answers Questions on the Progression from the Snaffle
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- In this video, Pat talks about the steps he takes in making a spade bit horse vs addressing problems in an older horse or training a horse that is not destined for the spade bit. Thank you for watching! For more information, please visit our website www.thedisciplinedride.com .
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Thanks for a little time for office hours, Professor. This would be a really cool addition to your series. A historical perspective and background of what you learned and why you do what you do. A lot of meat here. Blessings.
Thanks for being honest about what you know, not too many people share their knowledge is always a pleasure to wach a video from you..
Last of the last... somebody needs to tie on,
And hope some of that will just rub off on ya... Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Get some young people and and weed them as they go. Wish i was 20 I'd live in your world as closely as possible. Thanks again, your a horses true renasant
Thank you for the stories and the instructional’s really enjoy them! The knowledge of the past is so understated these days, im 38 and i can say listening to gentlemen like yourself is where its at the experiences and knowledge that you guys are willing to share if only somebody’s willing to listen wish i were a bit younger and had the opportunity to understudy under someone such as yourself. Keep the videos coming! Watching them all!
Thanks for highlighting the plight of folks on the reservation . Here in NW lower MI, the Chippewa tribal members are greatly impacted by the loss of casino revenue and draconian rules from gov.
Thanks Pat for raising awareness to the plight of the Navajo Nation. Love you.
Great channel. A tremendous wealth of experience. There is absolutely no substitute for this man’s experience. A living museum of western horsemanship. The mark of a great horseman...he has his way. It’s not the only way, but it’s his way. It’s genuine, authentic and sincere in all respects. In my experience, not every horse or every aspiring horseman is suited to a hard and fast recipe for making a bridle horse. The main using horse I’m riding now is straight up in the bridle, and She’s 16. I started her and She never packed a snaffle bit, I just changed bosals and mecate reins until I got down to a bosalita. She was 7 when She started packing a half breed with no reins and the hackamore. The progression from two rein and half breed to spade went on for almost 2 years. 13 years of commitment to a single living breathing piece of equine artwork. I have so much life invested in something that few people can value. Two things experience has taught me. 1.A bosal is nothing more than a rawhide braided bluff. 2. The specific tools and methods used are of little consequence if the horseman has no “feel” for the horse.
@@johnrutherford8026 What do you mean by rawhide braided bluff?
A horse can decide at any time that they have no interest in responding to direction given through hair rope mecate and rawhide basal. Sure, you can take ahold of their head and not hurt their mouth, but you can’t really force your will on a horse who has nothing but a braided rawhide strap across their nose. Ive had horses, young horses run off with me when working outside gathering horses and cattle. A young hose will get excited chasing hoses and cattle and that’s when you find out the horse wasn’t nearly as “broke” and trained outside as you thought when you were riding in an arena.
I love history class with you! Thank for all you do for the industry.
This is an exceptional video. Packed with useful info and some history thrown in
Best western horseman AND story teller I know.
Growing up in Texas, I always heard it was bosal, snaffle then bridle, but the Texas tradition is so much different in so many ways
Thanks Pat, I watch you alot. You and your bride do a great job on all your videos. I'm from the Navajo Rez, Shiprock NM. Thanks for the "shout out".
Thank you for watching Delbert! Stay safe.
I could listen to you all day long. You are such a wealth of knowledge and are a saint for sharing it with us.
Every so often I get into a disagreement with someone vehemently opposed to bits of any kind. Yours is the best answer I've yet heard, thanks!
Thank you Pat and Deb!
For those contributing here, I proceeded to ride my husband's 17 year old, twisted-snaffle ridden mule, in Pat's snaffle. The roller IS... INDEED... the indicator. I am a current "fearful" rider because of a previous lack of judgement on my part, on another mule. So, this 1st ride, in this new snaffle, on new-for-me OLD mule, was intimidating. But I trust Pat, and (mule-rider) Deb. At the walk, cricket was talking... when I "was right". Then, stepping up to trot? oh yeah, SILENCE! until I relaxed and got in time with the feet and BREATHED! and gave rein, used my leg and pelvis, instead of his face...a human never knows they are holding on to the "mouth" or their lungs, but the cricket never lies... Charboneaux the mule and I actually got some things accomplished and I got it to sing ever so slightly in the circles and serpentines...at the trot. At this point, let's go outside already!
Pat, thank you for clearing up the air on the hackamore. It isn't a Rule of Law, "jaquimo to Freno" so to say. And, from what you shared, even a hackamore can get "dull". Dull them all you want, in whatever you choose! snaffle or bit-less, it still can happen. Nothing is quick and easy..
edit: from Pray, MT
When I was a kid I was told never grab the horn or you will look like a greenhorn. If I learned one thing from trying to do NH in SE TX where not too many people have heard of it, it's I don't worry what people will think, it's smarter to stay on the horse and better for the horse (saves hospital and ambulance bills as well lol) So I grab that grabstrap if I want to. Also it's not admitting defeat to get off and work them. They are going to work either way. So if I want to stay on I can stay on, and if I want to get off I can get off. I'm a little intimidated by our 2 horses as well, but since the kids aren't riding them much anymore, I have stepped up the training with them. My favorite is my little burro, he doesn't know that one day I want to get him bridling up really good.
This was incredibly helpful. Thank you. Your videos offer a solid education and some fantastic insights. Thank you so much for these great videos
Excellent video Pat. Thanks for sharing. Anahim Lake, BC.
Thanks for your time. Never stop with the history your videos have been a big part of my grandsons school during stay at home orders here in Ohio.
Thanks for the video. I am serious about starting and finishing horses with the same aspects pat uses because it is something I am interested in and makes the most sense to me. Keep up the videos it sure helps me think about things.
Thank you for sharing! Really enjoy your videos and knowledge.
Take care to you both!
from Northern Minnesota,
Joe and Jamie
Hello from Northern CA, Pat and Deb. Great channel you've got going.
I’m more of a rodeo guy so I ride a lot in the arena and I calf rope so our thoughts on starting colts and finishing them out are different but I really really enjoy hearing your thoughts on young colts and finished horse and bits and how you do it. Also really enjoy the knowledge of the history you have and that you share it with us. From Iowa
Sir, I thank you for the information and great videos!!! Also love hearing your stories and history tid bits. They don’t make me like yourself and your wife anymore.
Keep it up. 👍
Thanks Pat I dont have or ride but I have riding before I really like what I really like is the bond between a horse and its rider that can develop. I like listening to ya also. Stay safe Pat & Deb ! Daniel from central Mississippi
Many thanks Sir, love listening to you. Great lesson in history.
Thanks for all you do Pat, I dig the talks. - Modesto Ca.
Good job, Pat. I love your open minded perspective. I was fortunate enough to learn a few things from one of the best reinsmen on the west coast, Johnny Brazil. I still consider him one of the best hackamore/bridle horse men I ever met.
Love the Q&A’s
A real treat to listen to your explanation on different topics and, of course, your stories. I try not to miss an episode. Thanks to the world pandemic in place, I have time to start going through watching your videos prior to the date I discovered your channel. Many Thanks for your time and knowledge. I respect your opinions and you’ve helped me a lot. Cheers from your fan on beautiful Prince Edward Island, 🇨🇦
Thank you I love your videos. I am learning so much from you.
I've seen alot of horse training people, horsemanship experts on utube. Pat, you are the only gentleman out of all of em. You are so straight forward, no bull, blunt, but nice one! Lol, you don't condem or put other people's opinions down. You don't treat any question as a dumb one. You are a true cowboy gentleman. Man, your wife is so blessed! I'm jealous! What a sweetheart of a man! Thank you for helping us humans help our horses by being good horseman and women! I wish I could come to a clinic but I am far far away. But I'll be watching for you to come to TN. I love these videos. And I went to your website too! The photo gallery is nothing short of breath taking and beautiful. Thank you Sir.
perfectly said. thanks for talking about the ed connell books. i always look at those and think i am missing something.. its just the horsemanship of the time. wonderful explanation.
Pat and Deb thank you ever so much. I really thoroughly enjoy your history and 'why things come about' way or delivering your information. I hope you will visit Australia soon and i can see you at a clinic. I am starting two quarter horses. And i am partial to just riding in halter or bosal rather than a snaffle bit. America has such a rich hormanship history ...and Australia is pretty and dismal seems a real rough and Yahoo culture to draw inspiration
from. I always just wanted horses to be my life. Coming from a no horse knowledge family background. Its really tough to get a paying gig in the horse industry in Australia. So I'm hoping to come to America and emerse my self in some great western horse training. Thank you ever so much again, big love 💜❤❤💖🧡🧡💜❤❤💜💗💗💜
Constantly learning from your videos sir and some other horsemen. But I like your style the most nothing fancy, simple and made it easier for me to understand. I'm from the Philippines and only a handful are really learning proper horsemanship. I hope you could look some of my videos on my channel and maybe give me feedbacks or advices. It wouldn't hurt me if you say everything I'm doing is wrong. I want to continue learning the right way. I know you're frank person, looking forward on your comment or message. Thank you.
In TX a lot of us are in love with the Australian NH style. Ever since I saw man from Snowy River, you might laugh, but the riding in that made an impression on me (not sure if it was real Australian riding or just fine Hollywood style though.) Clint Anderson, Warwick Schiller are 2 that come to mind. That has helped me a lot with learning to deal with my rescue horses we have gotten and either moved on or kept around. I think Australia has been an influence on how a lot of people approach training. I bet S East TX has a good style and rich history of horsemanship too (would love to learn more about it), but one does hear some bad advice sometimes. But also a few really good trainers too. I wrote an article about that called, "Is that advice a Godsend or a Devil-send?" Sometimes it's hard to see the forest through the trees.
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍 👍
Love hearing Arnold Rojas mentioned. I met him at Les Vogt’s some time ago. Arnold then said he was 104, but I believe he was *only* in his 90s then.
Im Mexican American & i like this mans knowledge & respect for vaquero traditions names his horses chinaco . educated western folk know what a chinaco was. id have 100 questions for this man
Gotta love this guy.
Thank you !
I really enjoy your thoughts and techniques about starting and riding colts and horses, but have to disagree with just nailing a shoe on, I had to fix alot of bad shoeing jobs, no foot no horse. My thoughts from Winnemucca Nv. Thanks for your videos.
Thank you sir good stuff to know 👍🏽
Wow.this is Great Stuff.thank you kat,ct
I from Grass valley CA. I was born and raised in Scottsdale AZ....
Thank you for understanding what is going on our Raz. The whole government is blaming our people for what the various outbreak but their is no Native going out of country and bringing the various back. The people was abandoned now they finally see it. I really enjoyed the training you have for horsemanship but most still don’t understand thank you for taking the time to explain.
When an instructional video of Marcial? From Mexicali Baja California, México
I wonder if you can tell me why the term " bridle horse"? What is a" bridle horse" ? Thank you - love the history you have introduced me too. Don't know what a " cricket" is either. Going to look all this up! Thanks so much for this fascinating video!
Bridle horse is a horse using any bit with shanks. A cricket is a small roller in the middle of the mouthpiece that makes a clicking sound when rolled around.
Hello Pat and Deb! I live in the pacific northwest. Thankyou for your time you spend on making these videos ,enjoy your history tid bits also!
My horse keeps clipping his hooves when he walks . Can you tell me what to do to help stop him from overreaching ? ( i can send you a video if that would help ). Take care , Katie !
I’d say to take more toe off of your horse and roll the toes of his shoes...
@@PatnDebPuckett ok thankyou..
Pat really enjoying the videos. After watching this video could you please produce two videos. One of which would discuss and show how to properly introduce and use the the bosal ie hand cues. Second could you pls discuss the use of a knot rope on young colts ie the size of the loop and such. Also you discuss young people getting started. In what way could a fella find a riding job. I’m not so young. Lol. Thanks in advance. Justin from Sw Nebraska.
We have a DVD called The Art of the Bridle Horse which will answer your question on the bosal. Pat doesn’t use a Knot Rope. You can look for a riding job on RanchWorldAds.com and the Western Livestock Journal. One of the best ways to find a job is to just pull in to the outfit at the right time of year which is spring or fall depending on the area. Introduce yourself, have a resume and references ready, and be honest about what you know how to do. Good luck!
Thank you always for sharing your knowledge. I was wondering if the bit in this video is the same as the one listed for sale on your store page? To my eye they appear slightly different but I know my eyes play tricks on me. So if it is the same, can it be made available in a 5 in and if different, what is the difference and purpose of the difference? Can’t wait for the next video! Asking from the Garden State of New Jersey 🤠
It is the same. We offer one size which is suitable for all of the horses we ride. We do no want the rings tight up against the horse’s muzzle because when the bit slides across the horse’s tongue, it acts as a presignal.
Ahhh okay. Thank you so much. I look forward to placing my order!
why we had to get it done fast because for some phenomenal reason is i dont know. Hits the nail on the head. lol
Wow I could use a lot of help I'm in Idaho now an the whole buckaroo way of doing things intrigues me I'm working for a big outfit and the place I am is pretty fast and furious most of the time how do I get a young or inexperienced horse to get done what I need to get done with out ruining then I'm not the greatest horseman ever but I'm working on it how do I educate myself and my horse at the same time while still getting the work done?
Pat recommends you talk to the cow boss - he’ll let you know when to ride your colt, the days when you can just be a witness. Don’t make big, tough circles on him. If all else fails, work your colt on your day off.
I love all your videos about bits and have learned a lot, but I still have a few knowledge gaps as far as your chosen use of bits goes. First, is there a place, in your view, for leverage bits that don't have half-breed or San Joaquin mouthpieces? Right now I'm riding two older non-performance horses in your missing link snaffle and I feel really good about it. I also have, but have never used, a Sliester leverage bit with a low wide port that the cricket fits under. So vertically the bottom of the cricket is pretty much in line with the sides of the mouthpiece -- straight across, no tongue relief. Where would a bit like that fit into the picture? It seems like for you personally, with your own horses, it wouldn't. What about outside horses you train? You said you send many back in snaffles bc that's what they want. And some go back in half-breeds. Are those the only two options?
To clarify, the only outside horses we’ve sent back in snaffle bits were 2 or 3 year olds. We never send older horses back in a snaffle. We always opt for the highest port we can get on a Sleister bit. We don’t like the polo port or the frog mouthpiece in the Sleister line of bits. We don’t care much for those wide Mona Lisa mouthpieces either. So for us, it’s a bosal or a snaffle bit for young horses under 3 or 4. For older horses, it’s a half breed or San Joaquin mouthpiece in a higher end bit or a high port in the Sleister. I think what you’re missing is the fact that it’s the cheekpiece that is taylored to the individual horse, not so much the mouthpiece. The half breed is what we choose the majority of the time. The San Joaquin is an option but they aren’t as common to find.
@@PatnDebPuckett Can I ask why you don't particularly like the Mona Lisa mouth piece? How do you determine what mouth piece is best for your horse? I'm sure you've addressed this in more than one video so I apologize for making you repeat yourself.
If you want tongue relief, the Billy Allen is ideal and seems identical to the missing link. It can come in a snaffle or leverage, two reins or four. It can be obtained at Horseloverz, Stateline Tack, Richard Winters, Weaver Equine, or Reinsman Tack. JT Silversmiths offers it in silver (or not) as well if that's your preference.
@@gregs8736 I’m not interested in or seeking “tongue relief”. I don’t even understand the term or the concept 😂. I don’t see a Billy Allen as even similar to the missing link, certainly not identical. The BA is what Myler uses on their comfort snaffles. There is a lot of play on either side of the center barrel, and the barrel itself is not intended to be played with by the horse. It doesn’t roll easily and is too smooth for the horse’s tongue to manipulate. The missing link is completely solid and the cricket rolls super easily and makes a noise and is there for the horse’s benefit. The double jointed BA is designed to keep the two sides of the bit from collapsing in the middle and to enable the rider to independently lift the right or left side, which are good things but not what the ML is about.
Hello, writing from Benjamín Hill Sonora México again,
Can you tell me the difference between a halter and a bosal? I would appreciatte it if you could show one and the other on a video. Thank you.
Fco. Fausto Mendívil A. To simplify, the halter is made out of small diameter rope while the bosal is braided rawhide.
@@PatnDebPuckett ok I got It, thank you
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I have a thoroughbred that came off the track, I got her to somewhat follow my seat, can side pass back up rope big cows and calves off her but she runs through my hands when I'm running down a critter and she gets really hot, how can I get her to settle down??
The first thing you have to remember is that you bought a RACE HORSE. She’s just doing what she was trained to do. To correct the problem, you need to ride her in a snaffle bit. When you go after a cow or calf, don’t get your rope down at first because you’ll need both hands. You need to teach her to rate the cow. If you have to put your feet on the dash and pull, do it. But keep the horse behind the cow and track it. Once the critter is aired out, get your rope down and go back to work. Your horse doesn’t understand the job. As far as getting hot, you can help her if you breathe and stay relaxed from the waist down.
@@PatnDebPuckett she was gifted to me for Christmas so I'm trying my best to make a ranch house. But that's very helpful, I didn't think about that. Thank you. 😁
Hi Pat and Deb ! Here from Alberta Canada . i was wondering if Pat could do a video discussing the cinches he uses and why ? i was going to switch to a mohair cinch and multiple colleagues told me that mohair would pinch my horse, i am also considering using an alpaca cinch ! Thank you guys so much for your videos.
Mohair is all we use. The fiber that the cinch is made of does not cause it to pinch. Some cinches pinch because they are poorly made or too wide at the horse’s elbow.
Can you use. Spade bit. with harness?
No. You are missing the entire point of the spade bit. The spade bit is a signal which asks the horse to listen to the RIDER’S body. When nobody is sitting on the horse, it’s just another leverage bit.
I've road a grazing bits from to finish because I ride with my legs from start to finish .even a colt will react to leg pressure I only have one saddle and one bit .our horses have a job and we handle them as a colt and ride them. At 2 and use them as a3 year old
Good bad or ugly that's the we ride
Any time we ride around others people always admire our horses and what and how we things done.
I'm from Kansas
You guys ever live around Oklahoma?
No. Never lived there. My mother was born in Prague OK if that means anything 😎
@@PatnDebPuckett My family is from around there going back 4 generations past me. When did you leave?
What about a bit you should use for speed events like barrel racing? I want to find a great bit for my horse to be able to train in and run in.
If you teach your horse the pattern, there’s no reason why you shouldn’t be able to train and run in the Missing Link Snaffle. We started a colt for a gal in southern Arizona and she is doing well. The agreement we made with her was that she could walk, trot, and eventually lope the pattern 10% of her time, trail ride and condition 90% of her time, until the horse new the pattern with no hesitation. She agreed not to RUN the pattern until the horse was 5. She still schools him on the pattern but only RUNS the pattern once a week in her practice. And still spends 90% of her time on the trail. She is now the proud owner of a sane and sound barrel horse. When her horse was a 5 year old, she used him to pony older barrel horses into the arena...you know the ones who are so sour they hate going through the gate? So it is possible if you aren’t greedy and don’t get in a hurry. Good luck!
I've heard you say you don't like a Mona Lisa. Can you explain why?
Two reasons. First the classic Mona Lisa has a cover which I don’t like. Second I think the straight canon bar of a half breed which extends across the horse’s tongue is a clearer signal than a Mona Lisa.
I hear the Pine Ridge Res is having trouble with the authorities. They want to break in and enter the reservation.
How do I get in touch with y’all?
www.thedisciplinedride.com
Pat & Deb Puckett thank you!
How do i get one of your snaffle bit
www.thedisciplinedride.com/store
Thanks for the bit have to get it on a head stall have a 5 year old i just got he is a little heavy in the bit he is my winter project it will be nice to try
My Ole Grandad had a snaffle hangin in the tack room just to show people he knew what one was..Dont think i ever saw it in a horses mouth..Wasnt until i left home for the outfits,that i ever used one..
Your storytelling and sitting in front of a barn in California and that wide valley behind you all say the West has not ridden away.