I’m wondering if you might be able to tell us about any other device that might have specifications close to the Marodyne but is less expensive. If not, do you expect that with heightened interest in vibration therapy, might Marodyne lower their price in the near future to sell more products?
Hi Margaret - I have recurring lower back (lumbar region) pain and tweak it sometimes. I currently use a chest harness hanging from a chin-up bar to rehab when I tweak my back and it appears to work but takes several weeks. Would a low amplitude plate (with adjustable frequency) be advisable as a complement to my rehab? Seems like low amplitude would translate to low Gs?
I first learned of vibration plates from your older video. I wanted a Marodyne in the worst way, but the cost; omg! So I bought another plate for a mere fraction and I love it. I hope Marodyne can reduce the exorbitant price of their plate in the near future. For what I paid for min, I could have bought 7 of them to just one Marodyne.
I've also been looking at other make's, it will take me a long time saving to get the one recommended. Will have to take a punt on a cheaper one. What are you using, if you don't mind me asking.
Thanks for the info. I have mild T-2.5 osteoporosis in my hip and spine, and am making the lifestyle changes, and started climbing stairs again. I finally found a certif physical therapist who will work with me, and I also joined Onero online. Wish I lived in AU as I'd be in the full program in a flash. I had to search out everythibg myself as I am going to try and turn this around.
Thank you so much for this video, Margaret! I purchased a Marodyne LiV in October 2022 after seeing your prior video about this vibration plate. I’m so happy I did and I can see how thrilled you are to see the evidence that this actually works. Thank you for empowering us to do the best for our bones and overall health. 🤗💕🙏
how much does your head shake while on the unit? I am scared that the movement will cause retinal tears as I have thin retinas and lots of shaking is something I tend to avoid. Thank you for any info you can share on how much and how violently your head moved on this device
@@joanaxthelm1650I honestly feel the majority of the vibration in my legs, less in my body and barely anything in my head. I often times use my teeth as a measure of whether the vibration is going all the way up my body. When I do this, my teeth chatter and I know it’s reaching my head. This vibration plate is the only fda approved plate and thus the reason I purchased it. I would be cautious about using any other vibration plates as there is a science behind what is helpful and harmful.
Thank you for this update. I am faithfully spending 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes before dinner everyday on my Marodyne. It is great to have confirmation from this report although I already know in my bones 😊 that is helping. Thanks again for all you do. You and your husband are so very generous with your time and efforts to help this community.
Debby - how much does your head shake while on the unit? I am scared that the movement will cause retinal tears as I have thin retinas and lots of shaking is something I tend to avoid. Thank you for any info you can share on how much and how violently your head moved on this device
@@joanaxthelm1650 Joan, I would not call it shaking at all. There is a very mild vibration that you feel but nothing shakes. My eyes are not affected (I had my husband check 😊) There is nothing violent on any part of your body or head. This is so different from most other platforms. As you can tell, I am a huge fan and truly believe it is helping me maintain my bones. Hope this helps and feel free to contact me with any further questions. Best wishes to you, Debby
Does it shake that much that the above person asks about her eyes? That scares me as i was wondering about checking it out but I don't know. Any suggestions 🙂
@@lotusflower2411 A low intensity machine works differently to the higher intensity plates that are commercially available and in gyms and used at Osteostrong. The higher intensity machines are design ed that the plate you stand on rapidly shakes (depending on the settings selected) and so your whole body is actually shaking including going up to your head. If you try and talk your voice rattles. With the low intensity plate I’m using (the Marodyne) it is designed to send vibration through the plate up the legs, spine and into your head. When you put your teeth together it is on a very gentle chatter. They are very different designs and I’ve had no issues whatsoever with the Marodyne. I was concerned about buying it because in the past I’ve been asked to do exercise on a vibration plate and have suffered vertigo every time (I am prone to vertigo). But the Marodyne does not shake you. If someone looks at you while you’re on the Marodyne they won’t see you moving. I find the sensation gentle and quite pleasant to be honest. I don’t notice the vibration in my neck or head. You feel it most strongly in the ankles and lower spine, but I can assure you it is nothing like height intensity plates - I won’t go near them at all - they should be banned IMO until safety standards are established for their use, which I believe is currently underway with the International Standards committee. The Marodyne meets the ISO safety standards for vibration. I
Thank you so much for this video and the update, and I totally support this theory and would love to buy a vibration plate, but I just cannot afford the marodyne. I know this is basically the only one you support. There needs to be other devices and other options for those of us post menopausal women with lower incomes and still hold up to those standards mentioned in your video.
Thank you. This question comes up quite a bit (no surprise). Unfortunately, the technology required to deliver on the specifications and propagate the signal safely through the body is complicated (and expensive). Perhaps that will change in the future.
Hi Margaret, Really enjoy and appreciate all you are doing to help the osteoporosis community. Thanks. Have a question for you, not sure you will answer this but still would like to ask. Do you have any positive or any kind of reviews on Merodyne? I have not seen any on CZcams except some old ones from women in UK .Not seen any on their website either. It will be great to see the reviews from US based people who purchased and are benefitting from it. It is an expensive gadget so, need some comfort knowing it is really doing what it says. All companies like to talk about their product if they are working for people who use. Is NASA using Merodyne for their astronauts?
how much does your head shake while on the unit? I am scared that the movement will cause retinal tears as I have thin retinas and lots of shaking is something I tend to avoid. Thank you for any info you can share on how much and how violently your head moved on this device
I’ve been using the Marodyne unit since the end of 2021. At first I used it only once a day for 10 minutes but with subsequent interviews you’ve had with Dr Rubin, I’ve incorporated a second session before bed with some sort of exercise in between - weights, reformer pilates and pole walking. I’be just started the Onero program developed out of the Liftmore study on HIIT for bone growth conducted by Prof Belinda Beck out of Australia. She is currently finalising an extensive trial comparing the LIV with the Onero and I can’t wait to find out the results. In the meantime, I’m getting a dexa to see if the LIV, dietary changes and weight exercises have done anything to improve my bones. I’ll get a dexa again after the Onero program is completed in about 12 months. Margaret - your work is wonderful. I’ve followed your exercise routines and really appreciate how much you understand about osteo and the precautions we need to take.
@@sheryl3268 I will be happy to do that. I’m off to the doc in a couple of weeks hopefully with a referral for the Dexa. She’s not supportive of me going it alone - is only interested in drug treatment, so I dont know what reception I’ll get to my request.
Are you doing the Onero program online or do you live in Australia? I see that Prof Belinda Beck suggests doing the program with supervision if you are already diagnosed with Osteoporosis.
@@debbyesche1257 I’ve just completed my assessment with the physiotherapist licenced to run the Onero program out of a clinic in Geelong. I live in Ballarat so it’s an hour’s travel to the health centre facility. I have my first session tomorrow actually. First 4 weeks is closely supervised technique training before introduction of any weight. There are only 4 people in each class, all at different rates of the program, all supervised. Having run through the 4 exercises, I’d stress how important it is to be supervised. There’s no way I’d try this on my own and I am quite fit. My squat technique isn’t very good and the drop from height is not on the cards for a while yet. I’m thrilled to be doing the program. I’ve been following Prof Beck’s work and she’s based in Brisbane at the bone clinic she started, now licensing qualified physios throughout the country. An hour’s travel there and and back is very little bother if this can help recover my bone loss. Thanks for asking. I follow Margaret, so I’ll post any outcomes I get from the program or use of the Maradyne unit I’ve been using for over a year now.
I totallay agree, until I researched a two to three week stay in hospital or rehab center for broken bones….I’m going to scrape together , put on multiple credit cards, whatever, to get the Marodyne. Good luck. Being crippled by this disease scares me to death.
Thank you for this information Margaret. I want to ask you about a vibration machine by the name of VibePlate. They offer 10-60hz, 1 gforce (2mm amplitude) and vertical vibration for less than half the price of the Marodyne LiV (for their smallest model). These specs seem to meet the parameters of the study you cited in this video. Can you offer an opinion? Thanks.
In my research I found two reports that stated if one has had a brain injury, concussion, or skull fracture they should not use vibration therapy. Do you have any information on that? Thank you, Margaret. I so appreciate your programs and book.
Margaret - thank you for this info. Have you spoken to a Retina Specialist or have you seen any research as to whether the vibration plates can cause thin retinas to tear - esp. in older people? The only thing that has held me back from purchasing the Marodyne is my ear that the shaking of your head could result in this retina’s tearing. I have wanted one for a few years now - ever since you put that video out about it. Please let me know if you know anything about this issue. I think you are wonderful! Regards.
Hi Joan. This topic and more is covered in my post: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/ I encourage you to read the post and the extracts below carefully. In a nutshell the Marodyne is safe for retina tears but high intensity platforms are not. I should add that if you have a history of retinal tears or at an elevated risk, you should consult with an eye specialist to determine your level of tolerance. Here is the extract from that post as per your question: There are reports of people experiencing detached corneas and retinas while standing on high magnitude whole body vibration devices. In least harmful cases, people complain of low back pain and other discomforts. A case report published in 2020 by Dr. John Maggiano in BMC Ophthalmology (2) documents the case of a 59 year old male who sustained “temporal retinal tear, mild vitreous hemorrhage, and an inferior pre-retinal hemorrhage in the left eye” after using a high intensity whole body vibration platform. 14./ Risk of Retinal Tear on the Vibration Plate (01:05:02) Is this type of therapy ok for people who have had PVD’s (Posterior Vitreous Detachment) in our eyes and are at risk of a retinal tear? According to Dr. Rubin there is published literature with people standing on high intensity whole body vibration devices in peered literature and experiencing a detached retina. This is consistent with the ISO standards of risks of exposure to high intensity vibration. As Ian Cutts has pointed out, the acceleration of the paradigm device says 0.4g, 40% of G. In essence, what Marodyne is trying to do is deliver the benefits of mechanical without putting the risks of mechanical in. I’m not going to say it’s safer than walking, because I don’t want anyone to stop walking, but the Marodyne is safe for weaker retinas.
Hi Margaret, I have been diagnosed with mild osteoporosis and osteopenia. I’ve been told (by a physiotherapist I was seeing in Australia) that I shouldn’t use vibration therapy in my situation because I’ve had bilateral total knee replacements. What is your opinion?
Your physiotherapist is correct for most of the vibration plates for sale. They are high intensity which can damage bones and joints. The only approved low intensity plate costs around AU$5000 so we'd be better off doing exercises instead. Exercise done daily gives better results than the plate too.
Yes. I’d say a vibration plate could be a good supplement to normal resistance workout. My research leads me to believe the benefits of whole body vibration are legit however also not huge. So if a person can afford one then I’d do it, but if not then resistance training and walking everyday are the best things to do.
Good to know, I can’t afford the Marodyne vibration platform. But with the help of my Physio I’m using the closest I could find. Thanks for the information.
I have bad bone density because of a dairy allergy and fibromyalgia which makes it very difficult for me to exercise and I'm very slim around my spine. Even as a teenager I could feel the bones in my spine sticking out
I have been following Margaret Martin’s osteoporosis, imbalance ( vertigo) and programs for strengthening bones. They are helping tremendously even though I have only been doing it for a short while. Apart from a DEXA test I have had no other help or information from my GP not even an examination but plenty of opioids which I have almost stopped taking. I had to find alternatives to help myself as at 75 I feel that my life is not over but it’s a struggle. Is there any literature that I can approach my GP with to show him the benefits of low and high vibrations on bone regrowth please. 3:09
Hi Pamela. You can direct your physician to this page. We post the main studies there. Thanks. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Thank you for sharing. I just bought my Lifepro. How often is it recommended for use? Daily or 3-4 times per week? How long should post menopausal women use it for each week to see the benefits of osteoporosis prevention? Great video.
Key question for you. Does Dr. Janet Rubin recommend the Marodyne vibration plates for her patients? I know you’ve interviewed her many times. Please let me know. Thanks! 🙏🏻
I’m confused. Since they tested so many different devices did they say Marodyne is the only one that worked? Margaret says Marodyne is the only one that meets the parameters but is it also the only one that is safe and effective?
I am wondering if Physiotherapist offices have the Marodyne available to patients so I can try it before making such a large investment. Did you get a tax deduction in Canada?
I have a PowerFit Elite. How do I know if the shaking speed is acceptable and not overpowering? I can't find any info on the G-Force. All the manual says is Beginners 10 minutes is 30-33, intermediate 64-66 and advanced 98-99 and I don't know what that means. Thank you for your video.
So expensive. It's hard to believe there not other safe and more affordable vibration plates? Is it because they have not been studied. Are there others economical machines that offer the same frequency?
Thank you! I have been considering getting one but I had heard about tears to the retina possibly being caused by using a vibration plate? Do you know at what frequency that becomes a threat?
This topic and more is covered in my post: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/ I encourage you to read the post and the extracts below carefully. In a nutshell the Marodyne is safe for retina tears but high intensity platforms are not. I should add that if you have a history of retinal tears or at an elevated risk, you should consult with an eye specialist to determine your level of tolerance. Here is the extract from that post as per your question: There are reports of people experiencing detached corneas and retinas while standing on high magnitude whole body vibration devices. In least harmful cases, people complain of low back pain and other discomforts. A case report published in 2020 by Dr. John Maggiano in BMC Ophthalmology (2) documents the case of a 59 year old male who sustained “temporal retinal tear, mild vitreous hemorrhage, and an inferior pre-retinal hemorrhage in the left eye” after using a high intensity whole body vibration platform. 14./ Risk of Retinal Tear on the Vibration Plate (01:05:02) Is this type of therapy ok for people who have had PVD’s (Posterior Vitreous Detachment) in our eyes and are at risk of a retinal tear? According to Dr. Rubin there is published literature with people standing on high intensity whole body vibration devices in peered literature and experiencing a detached retina. This is consistent with the ISO standards of risks of exposure to high intensity vibration. As Ian Cutts has pointed out, the acceleration of the paradigm device says 0.4g, 40% of G. In essence, what Marodyne is trying to do is deliver the benefits of mechanical without putting the risks of mechanical in. I’m not going to say it’s safer than walking, because I don’t want anyone to stop walking, but the Marodyne is safe for weaker retinas.
Thanks for this update. I am comparing the Marodyne vs the VT007. They both can achieve 30 hertz and .3 g. The amplitudes differ slightly but end up at .3 g. Is there any other bone/muscle factor to look at when comparing machines? Thank you for all the important insight and hope you provide.
What about those of us with Kidney stones. A lot of postmenapausal women with osteoporosis have kidney stone disease. I remember learning or reading somewhere that those with kidney stones should avoid this whole body vibration, Is that still the case?
Hi Margaret... I had a motorbike accident 2 years ago and now have spinal rods and leg hardware (plates and screws) for a tibia plateau fracture. I am now trying to address balance and build up leg muscle. Is the vibrating plate concept ok to use in your opinion after 2 years since surgeries? With thanks Chrissie
This question and more are covered in my post: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/ High intensity whole body vibration platforms are not safe, while the Marodyne low intensity vibration platform is.
Thank you so much. After watching your videos and doing research, I did purchase the Marodyne. It’s been six months and in another six months I will get my DEXA scan, previously diagnosed with osteoporosis. I previously had a heel spur, it’s been years since I’ve been aware of it as it has been dormant. But, since using this vibration plate, it has acted up again, and I wake up with heel pain. I use the vibration plate with socks. Do you think if I wore shoes it would stop me having this heel spur pain? Any advice will be so appreciate it. Thank you, Margaret.
Thank you for following us. We plan on hosting a livestream in May with Dr. Clinton Rubin. That will be an opportune time to address this question, and more.
@@margaretmartinpt I would have a questions for Dr. Rubin also. I purchased a Marodyne plate in February of 2021. I plan to follow up with a new Dexa Scan in 2024. My question is, is there a piece of equipment or some sort of monitor that a person can use to test the vibration plate to make sure it is still emitting the correct vibration levels? Maybe it isn't even anything to worry about but I have been using it daily for more than a year and it makes me wonder if I need to have it tested. Thank you.
@@margaretmartinpt thank you for your interest, U sent Naridtbe ab ennui. They did not answer my question just send me information on the machines and financing information.
I am soooo confused. In this video you state studies show WBV Therapy is helpful in post menopausal women, but in your video with Dr. Rubin, entitled "Is Whole Body Vibration Platform Safe to Use?" the entire video is how unsafe WBV is. So which is it? He references the WBV Zaaz machine that was sold at Costco and infers that it is one of the unsafe machines. I have that machine and am now concerned. It has vibration levels from 1 to 99. I would appreciate a reply from anyone who can help me to understand and clarify what I am missing here. Thanks in advanced.
The high intensity WBV machines (like the Costco referenced) are unsafe. the Low Intensity Vibration devices like the Marodyne are safe (and effective). I wrote an extensive post on the topic here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
7000 cumulative minutes? Does that mean it doesnt help unless you can get up to 7000 minutes? It seems like according to this study there's a lot of stipulations to safely use one of these to be able to get anything out of it.
The results are promising but inaccessible to most of us, so I wouldn't call the results "exciting". The approved low intensity vibration plate costs AU$5000, completely out of reach.
Sorry that you are encountering problems. Please contact me at my Contact page and I will reach out to Marodyne on your behalf. Thanks. melioguide.com/contact/
So, it won’t help the thoracic spine? What if it only helps the lumbar, but than you fracture all the thoracic vertebrae, is it than worth the purchase?
as much as would want to believe that company is the only safe efficient etc. on the market. But all the signs like the aggressive pricing and diminishing other companies with paid "research" that can't even be accessed is a red flag. this product isn't that different mechanicly from other Chinese plates on the market. especially being low power that it is. it shouldn't cost 10 times more then a high end plate on the market. unless its an eloquent scam that costed the investment of authoritative "research" claims.
I belong to the Mayo Clinic Forum and the women on there report that they see no improvement on their Dexa scores using the Marodyne. In addition although Dr. Rubin claims NASA backed the Marodyne NASA after research does not and never has used this device for their astronauts they use the ARED method using weight machines to build back bone. .
I am reminded of an encounter I had with a chiropractor who said the only, ONLY thing to help my scoliosis was a $5k body brace custom made from unicorn horns in Australia. 😉
Also, only the Marodyne expresses the ‘magnitude’ in ‘G” force - most vibration platforms express their magnitudes in mm (height of vibration). How to compare G force to mm?? This makes me feel this is a very biased ‘meta-analysis’……
I discuss the latest research on vibration therapy for osteoporosis. To contact Marodyne go here: bit.ly/3KFk6O4
What about the hart?
I’m wondering if you might be able to tell us about any other device that might have specifications close to the Marodyne but is less expensive. If not, do you expect that with heightened interest in vibration therapy, might Marodyne lower their price in the near future to sell more products?
@@CC-bw2rp Absolutely contact your cardiologist if you have heart issues before using any vibration equipment.
Hi Margaret - I have recurring lower back (lumbar region) pain and tweak it sometimes. I currently use a chest harness hanging from a chin-up bar to rehab when I tweak my back and it appears to work but takes several weeks. Would a low amplitude plate (with adjustable frequency) be advisable as a complement to my rehab? Seems like low amplitude would translate to low Gs?
I first learned of vibration plates from your older video. I wanted a Marodyne in the worst way, but the cost; omg! So I bought another plate for a mere fraction and I love it. I hope Marodyne can reduce the exorbitant price of their plate in the near future. For what I paid for min, I could have bought 7 of them to just one Marodyne.
Can you please share what you bought? Are you able to program it to have the same specs as the Marodyne?
@@austintone I have a Lifepro Rumlex Plus. I paid 399.00 for it.
@@katieirish5765 Thank you so much!
I've also been looking at other make's, it will take me a long time saving to get the one recommended. Will have to take a punt on a cheaper one. What are you using, if you don't mind me asking.
@@trees5338 I have a Lifepro Rumlex Plus. I paid 399.00
Thanks for the info. I have mild T-2.5 osteoporosis in my hip and spine, and am making the lifestyle changes, and started climbing stairs again. I finally found a certif physical therapist who will work with me, and I also joined Onero online. Wish I lived in AU as I'd be in the full program in a flash. I had to search out everythibg myself as I am going to try and turn this around.
Thank you so much for this video, Margaret! I purchased a Marodyne LiV in October 2022 after seeing your prior video about this vibration plate. I’m so happy I did and I can see how thrilled you are to see the evidence that this actually works. Thank you for empowering us to do the best for our bones and overall health. 🤗💕🙏
how much does your head shake while on the unit? I am scared that the movement will cause retinal tears as I have thin retinas and lots of shaking is something I tend to avoid. Thank you for any info you can share on how much and how violently your head moved on this device
@@joanaxthelm1650I honestly feel the majority of the vibration in my legs, less in my body and barely anything in my head. I often times use my teeth as a measure of whether the vibration is going all the way up my body. When I do this, my teeth chatter and I know it’s reaching my head. This vibration plate is the only fda approved plate and thus the reason I purchased it. I would be cautious about using any other vibration plates as there is a science behind what is helpful and harmful.
Thank you for this update. I am faithfully spending 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes before dinner everyday on my Marodyne. It is great to have confirmation from this report although I already know in my bones 😊 that is helping. Thanks again for all you do. You and your husband are so very generous with your time and efforts to help this community.
Debby - how much does your head shake while on the unit? I am scared that the movement will cause retinal tears as I have thin retinas and lots of shaking is something I tend to avoid. Thank you for any info you can share on how much and how violently your head moved on this device
@@joanaxthelm1650 Joan, I would not call it shaking at all. There is a very mild vibration that you feel but nothing shakes. My eyes are not affected (I had my husband check 😊) There is nothing violent on any part of your body or head. This is so different from most other platforms. As you can tell, I am a huge fan and truly believe it is helping me maintain my bones. Hope this helps and feel free to contact me with any further questions. Best wishes to you, Debby
Does it shake that much that the above person asks about her eyes? That scares me as i was wondering about checking it out but I don't know. Any suggestions 🙂
@@lotusflower2411 As stated above, it is a mild vibration NOT shaking. I have had mine for several years now and use it twice a day.
@@lotusflower2411 A low intensity machine works differently to the higher intensity plates that are commercially available and in gyms and used at Osteostrong. The higher intensity machines are design ed that the plate you stand on rapidly shakes (depending on the settings selected) and so your whole body is actually shaking including going up to your head. If you try and talk your voice rattles. With the low intensity plate I’m using (the Marodyne) it is designed to send vibration through the plate up the legs, spine and into your head. When you put your teeth together it is on a very gentle chatter. They are very different designs and I’ve had no issues whatsoever with the Marodyne. I was concerned about buying it because in the past I’ve been asked to do exercise on a vibration plate and have suffered vertigo every time (I am prone to vertigo). But the Marodyne does not shake you. If someone looks at you while you’re on the Marodyne they won’t see you moving. I find the sensation gentle and quite pleasant to be honest. I don’t notice the vibration in my neck or head. You feel it most strongly in the ankles and lower spine, but I can assure you it is nothing like height intensity plates - I won’t go near them at all - they should be banned IMO until safety standards are established for their use, which I believe is currently underway with the International Standards committee. The Marodyne meets the ISO safety standards for vibration. I
Thank you so much for this video and the update, and I totally support this theory and would love to buy a vibration plate, but I just cannot afford the marodyne. I know this is basically the only one you support. There needs to be other devices and other options for those of us post menopausal women with lower incomes and still hold up to those standards mentioned in your video.
Thank you. This question comes up quite a bit (no surprise). Unfortunately, the technology required to deliver on the specifications and propagate the signal safely through the body is complicated (and expensive). Perhaps that will change in the future.
I too do not have anywhere near that kind of budget but have very poor bones. Can I ask what machine you did buy in the end?
Many thanks
agree 100%
Hi Margaret, Really enjoy and appreciate all you are doing to help the osteoporosis community. Thanks.
Have a question for you, not sure you will answer this but still would like to ask. Do you have any positive or any kind of reviews on Merodyne? I have not seen any on CZcams except some old ones from women in UK .Not seen any on their website either. It will be great to see the reviews from US based people who purchased and are benefitting from it. It is an expensive gadget so, need some comfort knowing it is really doing what it says. All companies like to talk about their product if they are working for people who use. Is NASA using Merodyne for their astronauts?
Glad purchased one a year ago. Daily 10mins! Great news MM!!
how much does your head shake while on the unit? I am scared that the movement will cause retinal tears as I have thin retinas and lots of shaking is something I tend to avoid. Thank you for any info you can share on how much and how violently your head moved on this device
Can you report any successes or progress?
I’ve been using the Marodyne unit since the end of 2021. At first I used it only once a day for 10 minutes but with subsequent interviews you’ve had with Dr Rubin, I’ve incorporated a second session before bed with some sort of exercise in between - weights, reformer pilates and pole walking. I’be just started the Onero program developed out of the Liftmore study on HIIT for bone growth conducted by Prof Belinda Beck out of Australia. She is currently finalising an extensive trial comparing the LIV with the Onero and I can’t wait to find out the results. In the meantime, I’m getting a dexa to see if the LIV, dietary changes and weight exercises have done anything to improve my bones. I’ll get a dexa again after the Onero program is completed in about 12 months. Margaret - your work is wonderful. I’ve followed your exercise routines and really appreciate how much you understand about osteo and the precautions we need to take.
Thank you for sharing!
If you are willing I would love to see your before and after T-scores when you get that 'after' dexa you're getting soon!
@@sheryl3268 I will be happy to do that. I’m off to the doc in a couple of weeks hopefully with a referral for the Dexa. She’s not supportive of me going it alone - is only interested in drug treatment, so I dont know what reception I’ll get to my request.
Are you doing the Onero program online or do you live in Australia? I see that Prof Belinda Beck suggests doing the program with supervision if you are already diagnosed with Osteoporosis.
@@debbyesche1257 I’ve just completed my assessment with the physiotherapist licenced to run the Onero program out of a clinic in Geelong. I live in Ballarat so it’s an hour’s travel to the health centre facility. I have my first session tomorrow actually. First 4 weeks is closely supervised technique training before introduction of any weight. There are only 4 people in each class, all at different rates of the program, all supervised. Having run through the 4 exercises, I’d stress how important it is to be supervised. There’s no way I’d try this on my own and I am quite fit. My squat technique isn’t very good and the drop from height is not on the cards for a while yet. I’m thrilled to be doing the program. I’ve been following Prof Beck’s work and she’s based in Brisbane at the bone clinic she started, now licensing qualified physios throughout the country. An hour’s travel there and and back is very little bother if this can help recover my bone loss. Thanks for asking. I follow Margaret, so I’ll post any outcomes I get from the program or use of the Maradyne unit I’ve been using for over a year now.
Great news, I have been using for nearly a year now in addition to your exercise programmes.
Hi Lynn. Thanks for sharing. Congrats on the commitment to exercise!
It seems out of reach to many people because of cost.
I totallay agree, until I researched a two to three week stay in hospital or rehab center for broken bones….I’m going to scrape together , put on multiple credit cards, whatever, to get the Marodyne. Good luck. Being crippled by this disease scares me to death.
Thank you for this information Margaret. I want to ask you about a vibration machine by the name of VibePlate. They offer 10-60hz, 1 gforce (2mm amplitude) and vertical vibration for less than half the price of the Marodyne LiV (for their smallest model). These specs seem to meet the parameters of the study you cited in this video. Can you offer an opinion? Thanks.
Is the vibration platform okay to use if you already have fractures?
In my research I found two reports that stated if one has had a brain injury, concussion, or skull fracture they should not use vibration therapy. Do you have any information on that? Thank you, Margaret. I so appreciate your programs and book.
It can cause tinnitus or worsen it also. If the vibration is strong enough to cause bone growth, I'm sure it could cause harm.
Excited to hear this update! Can you cite the study so I can review it?
I have put the link to the abstract in the description box
Margaret - thank you for this info. Have you spoken to a Retina Specialist or have you seen any research as to whether the vibration plates can cause thin retinas to tear - esp. in older people? The only thing that has held me back from purchasing the Marodyne is my ear that the shaking of your head could result in this retina’s tearing. I have wanted one for a few years now - ever since you put that video out about it. Please let me know if you know anything about this issue. I think you are wonderful! Regards.
Hi Joan. This topic and more is covered in my post: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
I encourage you to read the post and the extracts below carefully. In a nutshell the Marodyne is safe for retina tears but high intensity platforms are not.
I should add that if you have a history of retinal tears or at an elevated risk, you should consult with an eye specialist to determine your level of tolerance.
Here is the extract from that post as per your question:
There are reports of people experiencing detached corneas and retinas while standing on high magnitude whole body vibration devices. In least harmful cases, people complain of low back pain and other discomforts.
A case report published in 2020 by Dr. John Maggiano in BMC Ophthalmology (2) documents the case of a 59 year old male who sustained “temporal retinal tear, mild vitreous hemorrhage, and an inferior pre-retinal hemorrhage in the left eye” after using a high intensity whole body vibration platform.
14./ Risk of Retinal Tear on the Vibration Plate (01:05:02)
Is this type of therapy ok for people who have had PVD’s (Posterior Vitreous Detachment) in our eyes and are at risk of a retinal tear?
According to Dr. Rubin there is published literature with people standing on high intensity whole body vibration devices in peered literature and experiencing a detached retina. This is consistent with the ISO standards of risks of exposure to high intensity vibration.
As Ian Cutts has pointed out, the acceleration of the paradigm device says 0.4g, 40% of G. In essence, what Marodyne is trying to do is deliver the benefits of mechanical without putting the risks of mechanical in. I’m not going to say it’s safer than walking, because I don’t want anyone to stop walking, but the Marodyne is safe for weaker retinas.
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you very much. I will read the article that you recommend.
Great updated info. Thanks for sharing!
So it did not improve hip or femoral neck I'm assuming?
Hi Margaret, I have been diagnosed with mild osteoporosis and osteopenia. I’ve been told (by a physiotherapist I was seeing in Australia) that I shouldn’t use vibration therapy in my situation because I’ve had bilateral total knee replacements. What is your opinion?
Look at the interview with Dr Reuben. I'm sure he says it's beneficial after joint replacement to encourage new bone growth around the joint.
Your physiotherapist is correct for most of the vibration plates for sale. They are high intensity which can damage bones and joints. The only approved low intensity plate costs around AU$5000 so we'd be better off doing exercises instead. Exercise done daily gives better results than the plate too.
If you have heart issues, please contact your cardiologist before using any vibration equipment. I've seen this several times while researching.
Is resistance/weight training more important than a vibration plate, for a strong health body?
Yes. I’d say a vibration plate could be a good supplement to normal resistance workout. My research leads me to believe the benefits of whole body vibration are legit however also not huge. So if a person can afford one then I’d do it, but if not then resistance training and walking everyday are the best things to do.
Good to know, I can’t afford the Marodyne vibration platform. But with the help of my Physio I’m using the closest I could find. Thanks for the information.
Thank you.
Can I ask what the closest you could find was? The make and model?
Many thanks
Could you tell me what you purchased? Thanks.
I have bad bone density because of a dairy allergy and fibromyalgia which makes it very difficult for me to exercise and I'm very slim around my spine. Even as a teenager I could feel the bones in my spine sticking out
Are there refurbished models of this very expensive tool and if so, how does one find out where to get one please?
Good question. You should direct it to Marodyne: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
I think that my marodyne that I’ve been using 2x a day for 2 mo has helped w my prolapse. 😀
Good to hear.
I have been following Margaret Martin’s osteoporosis, imbalance ( vertigo) and programs for strengthening bones. They are helping tremendously even though I have only been doing it for a short while. Apart from a DEXA test I have had no other help or information from my GP not even an examination but plenty of opioids which I have almost stopped taking. I had to find alternatives to help myself as at 75 I feel that my life is not over but it’s a struggle. Is there any literature that I can approach my GP with to show him the benefits of low and high vibrations on bone regrowth please. 3:09
Hi Pamela. You can direct your physician to this page. We post the main studies there. Thanks. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Thank you for sharing. I just bought my Lifepro. How often is it recommended for use? Daily or 3-4 times per week? How long should post menopausal women use it for each week to see the benefits of osteoporosis prevention? Great video.
Thank you
You are welcome.
The Marodyne is a machine that I cannot afford. Can any of the plates on Amazon be used?
Hi Margaret, Are you able to discuss whether vibration use affects a degenerative disk in the back? Thank you for your videos!!
Key question for you. Does Dr. Janet Rubin recommend the Marodyne vibration plates for her patients? I know you’ve interviewed her many times. Please let me know. Thanks! 🙏🏻
Thank you Margaret as this is remarkable! I wonder if this would work in space? My understanding is that astronauts lose some bone density.
It would be hard to use in space as you need to stand on the device - difficult in a zero gravity situation.
I’m confused. Since they tested so many different devices did they say Marodyne is the only one that worked? Margaret says Marodyne is the only one that meets the parameters but is it also the only one that is safe and effective?
That is correct
Powerplate is currently FDA approved. Are you saying it is not effective?
wondering if anyone has an improved T score after the use of a vibration plate. Thanks
I am wondering if Physiotherapist offices have the Marodyne available to patients so I can try it before making such a large investment. Did you get a tax deduction in Canada?
Hi, I was told there was a way if one had a medical condition that there could be coverage or something to apply for? Is this true. Thank you
I have a PowerFit Elite. How do I know if the shaking speed is acceptable and not overpowering? I can't find any info on the G-Force. All the manual says is Beginners 10 minutes is 30-33, intermediate 64-66 and advanced 98-99 and I don't know what that means. Thank you for your video.
So expensive. It's hard to believe there not other safe and more affordable vibration plates? Is it because they have not been studied. Are there others economical machines that offer the same frequency?
Thank you! I have been considering getting one but I had heard about tears to the retina possibly being caused by using a vibration plate? Do you know at what frequency that becomes a threat?
I have been trying to find an answer to this for the last few years - ever since Margaret first put out the video on the Marodyne.
This topic and more is covered in my post: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
I encourage you to read the post and the extracts below carefully. In a nutshell the Marodyne is safe for retina tears but high intensity platforms are not.
I should add that if you have a history of retinal tears or at an elevated risk, you should consult with an eye specialist to determine your level of tolerance.
Here is the extract from that post as per your question:
There are reports of people experiencing detached corneas and retinas while standing on high magnitude whole body vibration devices. In least harmful cases, people complain of low back pain and other discomforts.
A case report published in 2020 by Dr. John Maggiano in BMC Ophthalmology (2) documents the case of a 59 year old male who sustained “temporal retinal tear, mild vitreous hemorrhage, and an inferior pre-retinal hemorrhage in the left eye” after using a high intensity whole body vibration platform.
14./ Risk of Retinal Tear on the Vibration Plate (01:05:02)
Is this type of therapy ok for people who have had PVD’s (Posterior Vitreous Detachment) in our eyes and are at risk of a retinal tear?
According to Dr. Rubin there is published literature with people standing on high intensity whole body vibration devices in peered literature and experiencing a detached retina. This is consistent with the ISO standards of risks of exposure to high intensity vibration.
As Ian Cutts has pointed out, the acceleration of the paradigm device says 0.4g, 40% of G. In essence, what Marodyne is trying to do is deliver the benefits of mechanical without putting the risks of mechanical in. I’m not going to say it’s safer than walking, because I don’t want anyone to stop walking, but the Marodyne is safe for weaker retinas.
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you for taking the time to answer!!
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Thanks for this update. I am comparing the Marodyne vs the VT007. They both can achieve 30 hertz and .3 g. The amplitudes differ slightly but end up at .3 g. Is there any other bone/muscle factor to look at when comparing machines? Thank you for all the important insight and hope you provide.
What did your research show? Did you make a purchase ?
Thank you for this post. After reviewing the original study cited, I have decided to go with the VT007.
Me too 😊
- although I really can’t afford it either - I can’t afford not to even more.
Do you know if you can use the Marodyne with a compression fracture of T8?
What about those of us with Kidney stones. A lot of postmenapausal women with osteoporosis have kidney stone disease. I remember learning or reading somewhere that those with kidney stones should avoid this whole body vibration, Is that still the case?
Does this help with bone density in the hips?
Mostly in the spine. To have an effect in the hips, you have to stay in an L stand to resonate the hip area more.
Hi Margaret... I had a motorbike accident 2 years ago and now have spinal rods and leg hardware (plates and screws) for a tibia plateau fracture. I am now trying to address balance and build up leg muscle. Is the vibrating plate concept ok to use in your opinion after 2 years since surgeries? With thanks Chrissie
Thank you Margaret...I always wonder if there are any studies on effects on brains from shaking around? I have a plate but sometimes 🤔 wonder.
This question and more are covered in my post: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
High intensity whole body vibration platforms are not safe, while the Marodyne low intensity vibration platform is.
I have scoliosis. Is this still safe?
Hello, I'm not able to afford the Marodyne. Is there a more economical option? Thankyou
I'm like, "second workout", but what about "second breakfast"?
I have read that you cannot use a vibrating machine if you have a pacemaker. Is that correct?
What amplitude is needed to equal an acceleration of 0.3g?
Thank you so much. After watching your videos and doing research, I did purchase the Marodyne. It’s been six months and in another six months I will get my DEXA scan, previously diagnosed with osteoporosis. I previously had a heel spur, it’s been years since I’ve been aware of it as it has been dormant. But, since using this vibration plate, it has acted up again, and I wake up with heel pain. I use the vibration plate with socks. Do you think if I wore shoes it would stop me having this heel spur pain? Any advice will be so appreciate it. Thank you, Margaret.
Thank you for following us. We plan on hosting a livestream in May with Dr. Clinton Rubin. That will be an opportune time to address this question, and more.
@@margaretmartinpt I would have a questions for Dr. Rubin also. I purchased a Marodyne plate in February of 2021. I plan to follow up with a new Dexa Scan in 2024. My question is, is there a piece of equipment or some sort of monitor that a person can use to test the vibration plate to make sure it is still emitting the correct vibration levels? Maybe it isn't even anything to worry about but I have been using it daily for more than a year and it makes me wonder if I need to have it tested. Thank you.
I had surgery to repair my kneecap, which shattered in 5 pieces. I now have 2 screws in that knee. Is it okay to use my WBV Maxine?
Question. Around six years ago I had blood clots and have been on blood thinners since. Is it safe for me to use a vibration plate?
Good question. Please post your question on this page and someone from Marodyne will respond. Thanks. my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
@@margaretmartinpt thank you for your interest, U sent Naridtbe ab ennui. They did not answer my question just send me information on the machines and financing information.
6 yrs ago I had two stents. Is vibration therapy safe? Uneducated concerning if stents possibly could vibrate loose.
I am soooo confused. In this video you state studies show WBV Therapy is helpful in post menopausal women, but in your video with Dr. Rubin, entitled "Is Whole Body Vibration Platform Safe to Use?" the entire video is how unsafe WBV is. So which is it? He references the WBV Zaaz machine that was sold at Costco and infers that it is one of the unsafe machines. I have that machine and am now concerned. It has vibration levels from 1 to 99. I would appreciate a reply from anyone who can help me to understand and clarify what I am missing here. Thanks in advanced.
The high intensity WBV machines (like the Costco referenced) are unsafe. the Low Intensity Vibration devices like the Marodyne are safe (and effective). I wrote an extensive post on the topic here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Do I keep my knees straight or slightly bent on it for osteoporosis?
Knees straight on the Marodyne only.
7000 cumulative minutes? Does that mean it doesnt help unless you can get up to 7000 minutes? It seems like according to this study there's a lot of stipulations to safely use one of these to be able to get anything out of it.
Is the Marodyne only available through a doctor’s prescription? Also, what does it cost?
These questions are best answered by Marodyne. Here is the link: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
What is the cost of the vibration plate and where on line can you find it for purchase?
Amazon or ebay....i paid $ 60
The results are promising but inaccessible to most of us, so I wouldn't call the results "exciting". The approved low intensity vibration plate costs AU$5000, completely out of reach.
They take 250 off if you come through Margaret Martin
Also, is the Marodyne safe to use for someone who has glaucoma?
These questions are best answered by Marodyne. Here is the link: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
I sent Marodyne company an email to ask about details more than a month ago but they didn't reply. What are the second recommended alternative?
Sorry that you are encountering problems. Please contact me at my Contact page and I will reach out to Marodyne on your behalf. Thanks. melioguide.com/contact/
What about men?
I wish they would do a sale. By the time you have tax added on its 3500 dollars. Or maybe a discount from watching you.
Hi Suzette. Marodyne does offer a discount for my readers: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
Where can I find actual before and after statistics?
I posted the link to the abstract in the description box. Thank you.
The full study can also be found online with a little searching.
So, it won’t help the thoracic spine?
What if it only helps the lumbar, but than you fracture all the thoracic vertebrae, is it than worth the purchase?
I want to get one of these but they're super expensive
These questions are best answered by Marodyne. Here is the link: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
as much as would want to believe that company is the only safe efficient etc. on the market. But all the signs like the aggressive pricing and diminishing other companies with paid "research" that can't even be accessed is a red flag. this product isn't that different mechanicly from other Chinese plates on the market. especially being low power that it is. it shouldn't cost 10 times more then a high end plate on the market. unless its an eloquent scam that costed the investment of authoritative "research" claims.
I belong to the Mayo Clinic Forum and the women on there report that they see no improvement on their Dexa scores using the Marodyne. In addition although Dr. Rubin claims NASA backed the Marodyne NASA after research does not and never has used this device for their astronauts they use the ARED method using weight machines to build back bone. .
I am reminded of an encounter I had with a chiropractor who said the only, ONLY thing to help my scoliosis was a $5k body brace custom made from unicorn horns in Australia. 😉
Also, only the Marodyne expresses the ‘magnitude’ in ‘G” force - most vibration platforms express their magnitudes in mm (height of vibration). How to compare G force to mm?? This makes me feel this is a very biased ‘meta-analysis’……
Will it loosen up muscles from severe tension from anxiety?
Is Marodyne safe to use for someone who has compression fracture?
Good question. Please post your question on this page and someone from Marodyne will respond. Thanks. my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
Without adequate machanical stymalation our cells will!!!
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Has this been tested in Space (NASA)?
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