The show is Suits and puts up a valid point. In the past, you did not have to go tonlaw school. You could just take the bar. If you passed, then you got a law license. The profession has since stopped that requirering attending an established school.
@@julian_david4556 Probably not bs. Consider that as time goes on laws are enacted and changed. I have nothing against self taught people being competent, but the risk of missing some knowledge or skill increases over time. That sheepskin might be a remedy to a well meaning but not on top of their game lawyer.
@@mikemcmullin149that's a problem everyone would face regardless of their schooling. As laws change competent lawyers will make themselves aware, and incompetent lawyers will not.
For the record. Mike is not just a lawyer he's the defendent. And in Faretta V. California the Supreme Court ruled a defendent has a constitutional right to participate in his own defense. He doesnt need to be listed on any paper work.
@@borRIING Supreme Court is the highest court in America and the precedents set there will apply to all American law courts to my knowledge. Although what do I know I'm just an average Indian
@@averyvukelic6236 except he had passed the bar multiple times, that was talked about all the way back in episode 1 He lacked a license to practice, which is different as its just you paying the mob boss (government) their dues
iirc, he actually did have the education. Just not with the whole "living on campus" method that most did. The only way he could have committed all of the books to memory, would have been to have read all of them.
@@krevor4095 he educated himself, but that's not what we refer to as having an education. He never got a degree in law, which is required to take the bar.
And they did. Harvey later asks one of the guys that was in the jury, and it turns out he convinced all the other jurors to side against the prosecutor just because she was turning the legal system into a joke, even if they knew Mike was guilty.
Except it got a witness to make a statement that was positive for his case. You can't avoid talking about negative experiences and trauma in court, they're usually the reason why you're there to begin with.
Not only that, she also underestimated the mother asking her what she thought was a gotcha question, only for the mother to hit with a devastating answer. And she couldn’t even say anything because before the answer she finished herself: no further questions.
Can we just apreciate that the objection is total BS, most of the time people will have at least 2 lawyers who do a more or less eqaul case and there isnt even a objection for that, I am not sure if theres a rule limiting the lawyers you can have
Just take a look at the Heard vs Depp case a year or two ago as a good example, they both had about half a dozen lawyer with them, and each of them asked questions at some point during the trial.
Being a legally recognized lawyer would not change the evidence. The case. The innocence of the defendant. Nothing changes. Except instead of being represented by a lawyer you were essentially representing yourself with the legal council of a friend.
Yes, but all the clients that aren't happy with the outcome of a trail can apply for mistrail because they were led to believe that actual lawyer were representing them, which Mike was not. The company that hired Mike could be sued for negligence at best and malpractice and fraud at worst (if it can be proved that they knew he isn't lawyer). His coworkers that knew were risking losing theirs licence or even being charged for fraud.
@@narcyz2134 The fact we have a bar system is itself a blatant constitutional violation that could be overthrown given a large enough vendetta and a supreme court willing to hear the issue. Obviously not something anyone wants to deal with, so the issue is typically quietly ignored by bar and court alike, and given the kind of power bar associations already hold, will either end in a settlement or a Clintoning.
Once child services took me to court, the judge said I need a lawyer and she is issuing me a lawyer I told her I will be co-lawyer cause no one will speak on my behalf..case got thrown out..😂😂
@akkilol5729 My nephew was living with me for a while he was about 12 or 13 at the time, he went to school got into stealing the other kids stuff, walking around taking the other children stuff of their desk without asking, stealing money from my change jar. One day the teacher couldn't take his bs, she called me up and told me he was a class bully, when he go home I corrected his behavior with discipline..He went to school the next day and told the teacher she cuased him to be discipline, the teacher called children services.. Children services came to my home, they tried to remove my daughter and nephew from my care. I told them hell No you're not taking my daughter... I discipline both my daughter and nephew. My daughter didn't steal she kept making jokes when the teacher was teaching interrupting the class, got that call the same day too. (No I did not abuse them,) I had to leave work several time for both nephew and daughter they were going to two different schools at the time.. Nephew went to school another day and punched the teacher in the stomach. I looked at the teacher and asked why he didn't call the school police officer, there is always a cop in all the school they have a office there too,. teacher said he didn't want my nephew to go jail.. Children services requested that I meet with a team at their office they wanted to send me to anger management classes, and take other behavior classes, they promised me food stamps if I take the classes, classes which I would have paid for I told them Hell No..I told them don't come back to my home and I don't need your food stamps, my children are eating better than they are, they get a cooked meal every day when they finished school not cold lunch-ables.. The director of Children Services said we are going to send the case to court, told her I will see you there🤣🤣🤣..
@jordivarela7160 If you think that a lawyer know all the laws you be shock to know they don't.I once had a judge told me in his court room the police and lawyers don't know the law and I should find out the laws which I did my research.. NO, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE LAWS, Just the ones that will affect me the most, I deal with mostly labor laws.. , I've been in the courtroom and saw lawyers' prolonged case because they are not up-to-date with the case or didn't call the client or wait until they get to court to talk to the client.. The judge, in my case, did ask me three questions to see if I did understand my case, which I did answer correctly.. So I may be a fool but a good fool to understand. I'm not going to allow others to put words and build a case on lies.
Not necessarily true, but you do have to have a disconnect to some degree in order to be at your best, it doesn't mean you "sacrifice your soul" or anything dramatic like that. It just means that you cannot afford to get too attached to a case as that can have a negative effect on your performance.
@@ch4z_bucks lmao, lawyers literally have no soul, they'll free an real criminal, and they'll convict innocent people if it meant they can have an pay check, that's as soulless as you can get
@@stefthorman8548 1) even a criminal has a right to be represented in court, that is how a fair trial works. Innocent until proven guilty is an important concept in society, are you suggesting we pre-judge whether someone is innocent or not then decide if they can have a lawyer when they go to court? Sounds dangerous to me. 2) again no one really knows for sure if the person being convicted is innocent. Of course hindsight is 20/20 but in the moment the prosecutor is doing their job, prosecuting someone who has been accused of a crime. If the evidence available pointed towards the innocent person being guilty then I can't blame a prosecutor for prosecuting them
Well if he had never been wrongfully convicted he would've been able to get a better job and not been shot. Ex convicts have a very hard time finding work
There is a news article about a guy in Africa who faked his credentials and became a defence attorney He won all 11 cases he had before being found out Fake or not, guy was clearly good at his job
The violin is Mike's first weapon of choice, not because it's lethal, but because he gives a damn when other people just want to take their opponent down.
Being of a different ethnicity makes it hard in court sometimes to find someone who actually cares about you and not just to have you or your baby on trial as another notch on their belt
YYYYYYOOOOOOOO that woman FUCKING KILLLED THAT SHIT. I need to see this lady in other films now! She said that with the conviction only a mother can have. Reminded me of my own. Chills lady chills.
This whole show highlighted the problem in workplace-society communication. Talented, skillful individuals get passed over every day because they don't have a piece of paper FROM A SCHOOL saying they were trained in their field. Sure, if you land an apprenticeship, you can get a recommendation, but even that's not guaranteed to get you the job. Skill tests should be a part of the hiring process.
Just cause you have the degree don’t mean you should get the job. I met a guy once who was a close friend to my grandpa who was a lawyer till he retired. This guy never went college and dropped out of highschool but ended up owning his own law firm. If your meant for it it’ll work itself out somehow just make sure not to give up halfway.
Objection, Relevance to the current case? Mr. Ross has already proven that he is liable to be here as the Defendents council. Judge - Sustained *this scene never happens*
There's a general rule during cross examination that you should never ask a question that you don't know the answer to. The prosecutor asked an open-ended question she clearly expected to go one way, and was completely unprepared when it went sideways on her.
What's sad is he could've been acquitted if he didn't take the plea but he did it so that the feds stopped pursuing Harvey, Jessica, and Louis and their firm.
Mike had something none of the others had. Heart. He always tried to do the right thing. He also fulfilled his promise he did kick all the Harvard grads.
I mean... the witness goes way over what was asked of her and it would be seen as out-of-order as well. Without significant leeway granted by the judge. As a witness she's suppose to answer the question and nothing more.
Is it weird coincidence that I watched this short after I watched a short about a unlicensed lawyer has won multiple cases before they found out that he isn't evena lawyer?
He got convicted of a crime he didn't commit that supposedly lawyer had evidence he was innocent. Tell me he is a shit lawyer without telling me he is a shit lawyer.
in my state we voted to dismantle "family services" and the feds came in with a pile of funds to shore it up. As gov't entities go it has the least accountability and the most unchecked power. Reagan was right
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“Objection, this is ridiculous” would cost that lawyer her career and she would get called an idiot
You didnt watch the Amber Heard Trial?
@@MrSofazocker I’m just saying that that is not an objection that any judge would ever allow
@@AidanWendelNot any judge worthy of their position. Unfortunately there's some of those.
Her objection was to her belief they were switching lawyers. The ridiculous was her opinion. S fair judge would realize that. A dick judge wouldn't
@@Phearsumsometimes you don’t need to state the objection, sometimes the judge knows already and all you really need to do is object and argue
The show is Suits and puts up a valid point. In the past, you did not have to go tonlaw school. You could just take the bar. If you passed, then you got a law license. The profession has since stopped that requirering attending an established school.
Which is bs
@@julian_david4556exactly. They don't want another Abraham Lincoln.
@@julian_david4556 Probably not bs. Consider that as time goes on laws are enacted and changed. I have nothing against self taught people being competent, but the risk of missing some knowledge or skill increases over time. That sheepskin might be a remedy to a well meaning but not on top of their game lawyer.
@@mikemcmullin149That’s why the bar exists, as a test to prove that you are capable and know what you are talking about.
@@mikemcmullin149that's a problem everyone would face regardless of their schooling. As laws change competent lawyers will make themselves aware, and incompetent lawyers will not.
For the record. Mike is not just a lawyer he's the defendent. And in Faretta V. California the Supreme Court ruled a defendent has a constitutional right to participate in his own defense. He doesnt need to be listed on any paper work.
@SophieLou3110 It's a TV series called Suits, I am unsure what episode or season this is though.
This ain't in California tho
@@borRIING faretta V. California means faretta SUED the state of California not in the state of California
@@borRIING Supreme Court is the highest court in America and the precedents set there will apply to all American law courts to my knowledge. Although what do I know I'm just an average Indian
@mysticmarauder8545 tysm ill have a look 🫶
The problem is that Mike beated the lawyers without putting the time and without paying the system. They're just butt hurt
No the issue is he didn't prove that he could be a lawyer like what if he fucked up and ruined someone's life
Mike is a marry sue. Idiotic writing
@@averyvukelic6236highly “qualified” lawyers could do that for ya
@@averyvukelic6236 except he had passed the bar multiple times, that was talked about all the way back in episode 1
He lacked a license to practice, which is different as its just you paying the mob boss (government) their dues
@@averyvukelic6236 any fool can represent themselves in court but the goverment demands blood if you want to represent someone else
Mike was a damn good lawyer. With or without the IVY league education
Too bad he leaves the show early. At least he took Rachael with him. The last seasons weren't the same without him.
@@robbnoble1509and then Rachel separates a member of the royal family from… well the royal family 🤣
iirc, he actually did have the education. Just not with the whole "living on campus" method that most did.
The only way he could have committed all of the books to memory, would have been to have read all of them.
@@krevor4095 he educated himself, but that's not what we refer to as having an education. He never got a degree in law, which is required to take the bar.
@@angelaizen2231 Unfortunately. The bar is pretty low though.
In reality, a jury would turn against the prosecution for kinda shitting on a womans' dead son
And they did. Harvey later asks one of the guys that was in the jury, and it turns out he convinced all the other jurors to side against the prosecutor just because she was turning the legal system into a joke, even if they knew Mike was guilty.
Also they would get tackled for entering the well without permission😂
Damn, the lawyer really going after her dead son. Nice way to kill your case
Except it got a witness to make a statement that was positive for his case. You can't avoid talking about negative experiences and trauma in court, they're usually the reason why you're there to begin with.
@@ch4z_bucks yeah but attempting to nullify someone's testimony with the death of a family member is a surefire way to turn the jury against you
Not only that, she also underestimated the mother asking her what she thought was a gotcha question, only for the mother to hit with a devastating answer. And she couldn’t even say anything because before the answer she finished herself: no further questions.
The world needs more heroes like Mike Ross in it.
Can we just apreciate that the objection is total BS, most of the time people will have at least 2 lawyers who do a more or less eqaul case and there isnt even a objection for that, I am not sure if theres a rule limiting the lawyers you can have
How can you call it "total bs" if you don't know if it's legal limiting and/or switching lawyer mid-trial?
@@seppukumouse8005 Because I have memorised possible objections, and also cocounsels can question witnesses
@@Mr_Lyric ..... So you memorized possible objections but still have need to ask a question...... You know what, you do you...
Just take a look at the Heard vs Depp case a year or two ago as a good example, they both had about half a dozen lawyer with them, and each of them asked questions at some point during the trial.
@@ruthgar9753 yes but all lawyers were present from the beginning. Unlike this clip he shows up during the trial.
Being a legally recognized lawyer would not change the evidence. The case. The innocence of the defendant.
Nothing changes. Except instead of being represented by a lawyer you were essentially representing yourself with the legal council of a friend.
Yes, but all the clients that aren't happy with the outcome of a trail can apply for mistrail because they were led to believe that actual lawyer were representing them, which Mike was not. The company that hired Mike could be sued for negligence at best and malpractice and fraud at worst (if it can be proved that they knew he isn't lawyer). His coworkers that knew were risking losing theirs licence or even being charged for fraud.
@@narcyz2134 The fact we have a bar system is itself a blatant constitutional violation that could be overthrown given a large enough vendetta and a supreme court willing to hear the issue. Obviously not something anyone wants to deal with, so the issue is typically quietly ignored by bar and court alike, and given the kind of power bar associations already hold, will either end in a settlement or a Clintoning.
And what the lady says at the end there, that is all that should matter, id rather have someone that cares than someone with more bragging rights
Finding a lawyer that gives a damn is very very important.
Show name is Suits.
Tanks man
Helicopters man
Submarines man
Fighter jet man
Battleships man
Woman fr said "objection your honor, Nuh uh"
This shows is called "Suits" and this particular scene is on Season 5 Episode 15. Your welcome.
Thanks
Tysm
U have graced us!
Mike Ross is a fuking GOAT. He was from day one.
Once child services took me to court, the judge said I need a lawyer and she is issuing me a lawyer I told her I will be co-lawyer cause no one will speak on my behalf..case got thrown out..😂😂
Dude what happened this sounds like an interesting story
@akkilol5729 My nephew was living with me for a while he was about 12 or 13 at the time, he went to school got into stealing the other kids stuff, walking around taking the other children stuff of their desk without asking, stealing money from my change jar. One day the teacher couldn't take his bs, she called me up and told me he was a class bully, when he go home I corrected his behavior with discipline..He went to school the next day and told the teacher she cuased him to be discipline, the teacher called children services.. Children services came to my home, they tried to remove my daughter and nephew from my care. I told them hell No you're not taking my daughter... I discipline both my daughter and nephew. My daughter didn't steal she kept making jokes when the teacher was teaching interrupting the class, got that call the same day too. (No I did not abuse them,) I had to leave work several time for both nephew and daughter they were going to two different schools at the time..
Nephew went to school another day and punched the teacher in the stomach. I looked at the teacher and asked why he didn't call the school police officer, there is always a cop in all the school they have a office there too,. teacher said he didn't want my nephew to go jail..
Children services requested that I meet with a team at their office they wanted to send me to anger management classes, and take other behavior classes, they promised me food stamps if I take the classes, classes which I would have paid for I told them Hell No..I told them don't come back to my home and I don't need your food stamps, my children are eating better than they are, they get a cooked meal every day when they finished school not cold lunch-ables.. The director of Children Services said we are going to send the case to court, told her I will see you there🤣🤣🤣..
People who represent themselves are usually being a fool. Even lawyers wouldn’t represent themselves.
Sure mate, that definitely happened
@jordivarela7160 If you think that a lawyer know all the laws you be shock to know they don't.I once had a judge told me in his court room the police and lawyers don't know the law and I should find out the laws which I did my research.. NO, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE LAWS, Just the ones that will affect me the most, I deal with mostly labor laws.. , I've been in the courtroom and saw lawyers' prolonged case because they are not up-to-date with the case or didn't call the client or wait until they get to court to talk to the client.. The judge, in my case, did ask me three questions to see if I did understand my case, which I did answer correctly.. So I may be a fool but a good fool to understand. I'm not going to allow others to put words and build a case on lies.
Currently at the last episode of season 6, literally the best show I have ever watched so far
Just stop there, it only goes downhill afterwards
@@nrdcrimsoncam-vet1225 true. That's the peak of suits
Thank you for the needed info
prison doesn't rehab people, it makes them more cunning criminals
It's equivalent exchange. You can become a lawyer, but you must lose your heart and soul.
Not necessarily true, but you do have to have a disconnect to some degree in order to be at your best, it doesn't mean you "sacrifice your soul" or anything dramatic like that. It just means that you cannot afford to get too attached to a case as that can have a negative effect on your performance.
@@ch4z_bucks lmao, lawyers literally have no soul, they'll free an real criminal, and they'll convict innocent people if it meant they can have an pay check, that's as soulless as you can get
@@stefthorman8548 1) even a criminal has a right to be represented in court, that is how a fair trial works. Innocent until proven guilty is an important concept in society, are you suggesting we pre-judge whether someone is innocent or not then decide if they can have a lawyer when they go to court? Sounds dangerous to me.
2) again no one really knows for sure if the person being convicted is innocent. Of course hindsight is 20/20 but in the moment the prosecutor is doing their job, prosecuting someone who has been accused of a crime. If the evidence available pointed towards the innocent person being guilty then I can't blame a prosecutor for prosecuting them
If a prosecutor does not share exculpatory evidence with the defense, they get into a whole heap of trouble.
Saul Goodman: are you sure about that?
However...if Mike HADN'T become his lawyer...dude would STILL be alive (in prison..but still alive 😂)
What did the robbers that killed her son have to do with mike?
Well if he had never been wrongfully convicted he would've been able to get a better job and not been shot. Ex convicts have a very hard time finding work
Or, maybe, he would have been killed earlier, but as a criminal in jail, not even proved to be innocent!
And if he was never born, he wouldn't have died either. Your point?
Please make the music LOUDER.
There were people talking, making it difficult to focus on the music.
There is a news article about a guy in Africa who faked his credentials and became a defence attorney
He won all 11 cases he had before being found out
Fake or not, guy was clearly good at his job
Or lucky
@@ch4z_bucks2-3 times? Maybe, but 11 cases? That's a skilled person
@@xiles8963wasnt it 26
Hey won I think 23 or 25 cases .
@@xiles8963 depends, some cases are very simple cut and dry cases, especially as a rookie he's unlikely to get anything that would present a challenge
If you are wanting to become a lawyer, please do NOT watch suits
Such a great lawyer he didn't even trust the jury and gave up
The violin is Mike's first weapon of choice, not because it's lethal, but because he gives a damn when other people just want to take their opponent down.
Yea a piece of paper doesn’t mean shit anymore and that’s the truth
Tell her again, Momma. ❤
Yep people have tons of diplomas but they r nonsense
The dude passes the bar.
Hes a lawyer
I loved this show. Intelligence doesn't need a piece of paper.
"Would you like to call a witness?"
"Yes"
"Rediculous"
Who else is fed the fuck up with this music on EVERYONE’s shorts?
Real lawyers always have a problem with people who know the law. Remember the guy who became a lawyer without certifications in Kenya, and won cases?
Being of a different ethnicity makes it hard in court sometimes to find someone who actually cares about you and not just to have you or your baby on trial as another notch on their belt
Better Call Saul
The show if you wonder is called Suits its actully amazing!
The show is on Netflix and is called Suits
YYYYYYOOOOOOOO that woman FUCKING KILLLED THAT SHIT. I need to see this lady in other films now! She said that with the conviction only a mother can have. Reminded me of my own. Chills lady chills.
Suits is amazing, Megan Markle as Rachel was horrendous cast pick
Why?
Mr ross : guess i am the best lawyer
Saul goodman : theres only one and thats me
Let the voices b heard. Please turn the music down!
The way she thought a grieving mother would give a shit.
In other words, "i dont care if he was a lawyer or not, he cared about my son"
This whole show highlighted the problem in workplace-society communication. Talented, skillful individuals get passed over every day because they don't have a piece of paper FROM A SCHOOL saying they were trained in their field. Sure, if you land an apprenticeship, you can get a recommendation, but even that's not guaranteed to get you the job. Skill tests should be a part of the hiring process.
“Objection that’s dumb”
Now that's a 5 star Google review lol
Objection this guy doesn’t have a law degree
This was Amber’s lawyer before taking Ambers case 😭😭
Instead of “objection, this is outrageous” she now says “objection” to her own question
Saint Merkle the Perpetual Victim in the audience 💀
The “my son wouldn’t have got shot if you had defended him is fucking crazy”. Way to deflect blame
Just cause you have the degree don’t mean you should get the job. I met a guy once who was a close friend to my grandpa who was a lawyer till he retired. This guy never went college and dropped out of highschool but ended up owning his own law firm. If your meant for it it’ll work itself out somehow just make sure not to give up halfway.
Objection, Relevance to the current case? Mr. Ross has already proven that he is liable to be here as the Defendents council.
Judge - Sustained
*this scene never happens*
Episode..??
Wait until she finds about a man called Saul…
Mike is a lawyer he is a protege
There's a general rule during cross examination that you should never ask a question that you don't know the answer to.
The prosecutor asked an open-ended question she clearly expected to go one way, and was completely unprepared when it went sideways on her.
I am so sick of this same background music in every short...
I just think it’s funny that a lawyer that cares about the client is so unheard of that a whole show got made around it. Lol
The Spirit of The Law is Often Seldom the Same as The Letter of The Law.
Armstrong was right. The law should bend for the individual in question, not the other day around.
That music tells you that some really phony tired Dialogue is about to come up.
What's sad is he could've been acquitted if he didn't take the plea but he did it so that the feds stopped pursuing Harvey, Jessica, and Louis and their firm.
She got that Forest Whitaker eye, that's dope
That last line and the beat made me quiver
Meghan needs an oscar for that stunning performance.
What’s the name of this
Degrees are just glorified peices of paper without physical value only for decoration I don’t want unskilled people to just go up to any job though
You can tell when she’s praising him, the corner of his lip twitches upward as he’s trying not to smile.
These scenarios are so unbelievable as to be preposterous. Have you ever seen a court case in America? It’s never as smooth as this.
Mike had something none of the others had.
Heart. He always tried to do the right thing.
He also fulfilled his promise he did kick all the Harvard grads.
People forget too easily that it's the paras and articling students who win most of these cases. The lawyer just presents their findings as their own.
Movie name
What's the movie called?
I mean... the witness goes way over what was asked of her and it would be seen as out-of-order as well. Without significant leeway granted by the judge. As a witness she's suppose to answer the question and nothing more.
Why if you have the right to defend yourself do you need a certified lawyer
Sual goodman enter the court 🗿🗿
Is it weird coincidence that I watched this short after I watched a short about a unlicensed lawyer has won multiple cases before they found out that he isn't evena lawyer?
I still can't forgive him that he sign this agreement... he should trust himself ❤
Anyone who likes this should watch the Lincoln Lawyer
Why is every short using the same music?
Me scrolling through the comments looking for the movie title😅
goodman saul has entered the chat
Fine i’ll rewatch Suits again
Made me upset knowing that he took the peel deal even tho he would’ve won if he didn’t
Great show I watched all the episodes of suits
Great Mr. Ross!!
Unrealistic
When she said that if you had been our lawyer
The opposing could call for speculation lmao haha
Best show ever. Loved it! Watched it twice😅
He got convicted of a crime he didn't commit that supposedly lawyer had evidence he was innocent. Tell me he is a shit lawyer without telling me he is a shit lawyer.
You don't fuck with a "good" mother that's like rule 1 in life (also grieving😅)
Honestly i dont think the average person would care if someone was actually a lawyer. Just as long as they get off
Always been my fav on the show!
🎬TV Show: Suits
Should probably make this so it’s at the top
Is weird but the lighting before the scene began told me it was a suits scene? 😂 ?
Movie name?
Where is this from
Absolutely awesome.
in my state we voted to dismantle "family services" and the feds came in with a pile of funds to shore it up. As gov't entities go it has the least accountability and the most unchecked power. Reagan was right