Akai MPC X versus MPC3000 Sound Comparison Shoot Out
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- In this clip we dare to challenge the sonics from the reigning champ, the Akai MPC3000 against a relative new comer, the MPC X.. which do you prefer?!
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Index:
0:00 'The set up' rant
6:50 Round 1
13:45 Round 2
21:05 Round 3
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Wow. I really thought there was going to be a difference between the two. I'm blown away that they both sound the same!!
Never understood why they do these vintage style on the new MPC's, it's not like the MPC ever sounded like an SP. But with that being said I always found that after the market changed with AKAI, as they went from selling studio pro gear to home studio semi pro gear which was around the time they introduced the MPC2000, the biggest difference wasn't just build quality it was sound. It's very apparent to anyone thats used to the older equipment from AKAI that the individual outputs on the 60 and 3000 were catered for drums, meaning that they were darker and sounded mildly compressed when comparing them to the rack sampler equivalent such as a mpc3000 vs a s3000 or a mpc60 vs a s900/50. From the equipment I used after that point it's seemed that the outputs didn't have the body I expected and it was like they hadn't factored in the the sound to be for drums, guess they may have been cutting corners to reduced the price allowing the machines to be more and more accessible, lets not forgot the price drop from the older era to the semi pro home market was around a 400% discount. Even this new Akai MPC X is about half the price of the 3000 in 1994 and thats not even factoring in inflation.
Would be nice to run the outputs both through an Oscilloscope to see the wave forms. I think people are a little too worried about this converter stuff. Put some FX on your drums and make them as punchy as you like.
Rip the video and view the wave form in spectrogram mode. That's where you can really see signal vs noise. One definitely is noisier than the other.
Easier said than done. You got any suggestions how to make new generation MPCs sound like a 3000 with vsts?
Firstly, great video. Really well done. I actually did this blind, no sneak peeks, and it’s near impossible to tell the difference. I used headphones, so I’m not getting all the low end info, and I get that. But seriously, they are so close to identical. It really comes down to which is the better music making tool. I’m very surprised. Would love to hear the difference on samples material/acoustic/vocal. It may be a little more revealing. I’m sure you could find royalty free jazz elevator Muzak? ✌️
Thanks very much.. and, 'yes'.. 100%.. there's lots of other content-examples that could reveal some more of those 'weak spots', which I'll get round too.. I think, I'll choose the original Black/Red X edition (if I return to compare those with an X). I've got a strange feeling the 'Limited Edition' Gold may be packing different converters.. TBC on that. But, in the mean time I'll keep on truckin' with some other comparisons (stay tuned for those!) ..because, I too, am keen on figuring out my own preference 👍🏼
@@tonelab Awwww Shit. I Just got a Used Black and Red for 1k a month ago was feeling great about this comparison Now your Sayin the B+R+XOG my have inferior innards?
I really wish we could Decipher the INMUSIC codes and serial numbers for the MPC products so we can tell what is different inside.
Great video and effort 😎 This test, just confirms why I checked out of the MPC Converters debate, 3 days after it started and just got on with making music on my MPC X and Keys.
The difference is imperceptible in 99% of the cases, and not worth worrying about in the 1%.
Thanks for the kinds words 🙏🏻
Great video! The classic vintage sound everyone is trying to recreate came from mixing on 2" tape through an analog console.
Thanks! 🙏🏻
I can tell the difference when I put my crappy phone speaker. There's a fullness to that the 3000 has that the X doesn't. Especially on the kicks. I really wanted to not be able to tell but I was.
This is the best comparison on CZcams, I hear a minute difference that 99% of people will not hear, they sound the same.
A guy that has a collection of vintage & newer MPC's states the difference are noticeable when sampling a hot (going into the red) kick, or snare into them. The newer MPC's fall short while the 60 & 3k shine in this department.
Correct. Like the S950, the magic happens when sampling in
Top quality as usual
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Great video..I own both and just picked up your packs for the mpc 3000. Im curious, you say that you put the mpc x into 16 bit mode ? I'm trying to figure out where you do this ? Cant find it in preferences? Also I read that the mpc x always upsamples everything to 32 bit to work within its OS, ever heard that ? If it worked in 16 bit mode id have more memory, thus my curiosity, Thanks
Nice! ..hope you like 'em! ..yeah, earlier on in the OS revisions, the 24-bit option wasn't there.. but as of, roughly a year or more ago, I think around 2.9 maybe 2.10 it appeared. The only other way, prior to that, to get it 'in' 24-bit was via Controller Mode, as they adhere to the Sample Rate and Bit Depth of the DAW they're 'slaving' too. Having said that, I've never seen it be able to formerly adhere to 32-bit. I actually didn't think it was capable of 32-bit. But, if you look under Prefs.. scroll down to 'Record / Export'.. you should find the Bit Depth there 👍🏼
Thank you love the video
You're welcome! 🙏🏻
This is so dope! Akai needs to pay you bro 🤑 I'll share this with all the MPC heads. Thank you.
@Charles13X The X sounded more accurate at capturing all the frequency range. The 3k sounded a tiny bit darker but when the X was in 3k-mode they sounded the same & even when it wasn't I think all you would have to do is cutoff some high end or mess with the drum FX to match the sound of the 3k. I like the X more is sounds just like my Akai Force so yay for me!
How about you, what did you think about the sound?
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@Charles13X On the X or 3k? I hear more low end on the X.
Ι could probably tell a 1-2db difference in mid lows between the 3000 and the x on lower pitches (on a pair of dt990 pros). Other than that that was a very good insight in the converter madness. The biggest mystery still remains what the hell does the mpc 3000 mode do. It adds absolutely nothing to the sound
I think we may have similar ears.. I included the MPC3000 'mode' regardless... but, 'my ears' were struggling to detect any difference there at all ... perhaps a 'placebo' ! 👍🏻
Yeah I’ve never noticed any difference when applying the “MPC 3000” mode. However, the “MPC 60” mode definitely alters the audio and I like the way it sounds.
@@totalnonsense6878 yeah you can hear a bit of something on the mpc60 mode but it doesnt sound right to me. Using a S900 helps get closer but still... I feel like JJOS 12bit Mode sounded better than these vintage modes and VST's they tossed out
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mobile blind. couldnt tell the difference. good timing on hittin those loops. does funny things to your head hearing loops sped up and slowed down like this..
Yeah, although.. I now suspect the Black/Red (possibly first generation MPCs) have different converters.. more coming on that shortly! ..but, yep.. I spent a week mulling over how to set this up.. so in the end, I settled on this method.. because the different pockets of frequencies get 'shaken up' as you descend, or ascend.. so I thought, a lot of people could... not only 'hear' the comparison of quality.. but, also be.. somewhat.. exposed to the curvature of the output - which is a 'post' converter stage.. because, beyond the converter.. the output stages aren't flat either.. like Amps, Speakers or Pre-Amps.. they each have their own frequency curves too - that kinda drop off as you get quite high or low.. and perhaps in the middle too.. but those characteristics are rarely advertised or measured 👍🏻
Toné you did a Tr 808 drum fill in can you show me how you did that I have a Tr 8s. How to program the Tr 808 drum machine was the video at the end of the video 16:50 the drum roll fill in comes in.
Did you test what the finished tracks sound like once being exported to the SD to be moved to the computer? That seems to be where a lot of the pop in the drums is lost per some of the groups.
Some computers does not produce a flat sound on their output. The difference is on the computer, not the SD card.
Nice! The MPC X does look like a beast! Did you do a ROSSUM VS OG 1200? I need to look in your video section ....
Hey Ian, I do have an SP1200 'compare clip' with the MPC X (which has a couple of SP1200 mimic-modes) - but, haven't done the Rossum compare, as yet! that's in the queue though 👍🏼 ..here's the SP1200 link czcams.com/video/i_sivmhD2i0/video.html
The problem with the X samplers is that output 3-8 do not sound anywhere close to output 1-2, and back in the day we used all 8 outputs, that is been my gripe with Akai since they released these new machines. The other question that I had for you, somewhere in your descriptions on all these great videos, you are saying that you believe that Akai Mpc X-SE the new one, has the Burr-Brown converter ? This is critical information, it would help if you can verify, I have tried with Akai but no answer yet. Incredible videos, checking out SP-1200 now.
Cheers for that 🙏🏻 ..and to be clear, I saw a post on Facebook from Black Lion Audio.. who were talking to a customer of theirs, concerned about the additional pricing on the mod for the SE. They mentioned to the customer that the SE has Burr Brown converters. A service manual of the X SE, might be able to verify this, otherwise, reach out to Black Lion.. if you need to hear it straight from the 'lions' mouth 😉 👍🏼
To me, the MPC3000 sounds fatter and less detailed or clear. The MPC X sounds more hollow and jagged or ruff around the edges. I would like to have the best of both worlds at once. The 3000 might have a little more punch. Has anyone tried using one of the Prism converters on the output of the MPC-X? I think there is one that is USB-compatible with it. Maybe all you need to do is buy that and then run the output through something like a Vermona Retroverb Lancet. I hear that little box has a BALLS knob that will put the life back into a sample. Has anyone ever tried something similar with a newer MPC?
They are both great, if you like one over the other that's fine. But at the end of the day they are both just tools and its what you do with them... Even if you have a 3000 and you think that's better, that doesn't mean you're going to make better music than someone with a newer MPC. Its going to be up to your skill and creativity with either tool. Just don't give someone crap because they choose to use one over the other.
Well said, it what you do with the machines. The sound the same to me.
This is the point people don’t understand. Buy a 3k and do Dilla beats. You wish. Buy a used one for $400 and just enjoy yourself!
I think a lot of the "difference" is nostalgia. I've been through a bunch of different MPCs plus Maschine and I've never thought "wow, that sounds so different."
After the 3000, the goal of all new samplers became transparency. Totally understandable. With modern samplers you add sonic color with the gear & processing of your choice. People are having goofy conversations about the sound of samplers!
There is a difference. A few years ago I made tracks using Maschine and tracks with the 2000xl to compare, and I stopped using Maschine after that. It may be faster to use but I preferred the sound of the 2000xl. I didn't have to process as much to make it sound good
@@RoomAtTheTopStudio I used to put the Maschine samples in the MPC 4000 and the difference (in real world use) was pretty dramatic.
@@mattyg499 That makes sense, well to me it does.
Note: I'm not sure the converters in this Gold LE edition are the same as the Black/Red 'original' X. I've recently read, Black Lion mentioned that there's Burr Brown converters in the X-SE.. and, apparently there's AKM's in the Black / Red edition. If any one knows for sure 'whats in the Gold X-LE' ..please chime in 🙏🏻
What about the live 2 converters?
I haven't looked into any of the others yet.. just assumed they were all using the same.. but, that's definitely not the case.. so, it's actually more like 'wine tasting' than I thought.. maybe the colour scheme's are more 'uniform' than the models themselves! TBC 👍🏼
I have a mastering grade interface from Merging called the Anubis. The 3000 / 60 modes sound amazing on those convertors. I work mostly with the MPC studio 2 and am more than happy with these vintage modes. I have a 60 and 3000 that just are muséum pieces in my studio. Thanks for doing the shoot out
Burr Brown convertors were harder to get a hold of during the supply chain crisis so AKM was getting picked up by anyone in the interface game. I think that the supply chain situation has improved the Burr Brown are coming back. At the end of the day these convertors are fighting for 5% if not less audible difference.
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Heard the Live II was AKM. I assume the Live and MPC One are the same.
Thank you for your work man! The results are surprising to me, was expecting bigger difference. I own the og blqck/red X and started to be really curious if that gold edition doesn’t have different converters. But does it make any sense? This golden edition wasn’t noticeably more expensive and from akai’s perspective it would be missed chance to not tell their potential customers about upgraded converters. So, really looking forward to see some comparsion with og X if it would be possible to do in the future.
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Yeah, I had a Black/Red OG.. and I thought they sounded different too, so.. yes.. I've organised to borrow a friends Black/Red for a re-match 🙏🏻
Well you may be on to something because I do know that they use different converters on the mpc x se than they do on the original X
MPCX is more high-fi sounding with squishy transits. Scoop out sound at about 120 kh.
The 3000 has a punchier low end to me. Other than that they sound the same.
Looking fwd to this, thought I use the undisturbed, unprocessed waveforms downloads as per 3:50 . But where are they? Ive looked in the description, but I can't see the links there? ..
Thought I had more Dropbox space than I actually do, so I gotta organise a Plan B for storage for these things. TBA 🙏🏻
@@tonelab No prob, apprecite the response as I thought I was loosing my mind for a minute ... I'll give a run through via YT, although I have quite a distaste to YT processing ...
the difference doesn't come out in these sorts of comparisons, it comes out with layering of drums, filters and sampling directly from vinyl. using clean loops or samples from the store they will basically sound the same, yeah
absolutely true, this is a good comparison but not definitive, one has to stress test the machines under different circumstances, see how they layer\mix different sounds, how it samples (clean and hot), the good thing of this video is finally someone understood the importance of checking how the transposition of samples compare...
another dimension that's often overlooked is: how do they sound on a big p.a.? i say this because i played with different models of mpc on stage and to my ears and based on my subjective memories, the mpc live mk1 i'm using now sounds less "powerful" overall than older models, including the very non-vintage mpc1000\2500... it's not scientific because i cannot test it right now (but i will, i'm buying back a 2500 or 1000 mainly because i love jjos2xl workflow) and will do some test on a club p.a. .
@@delfiobacco7156 exactly, I got a live ii that I use a lot and the workflow is brilliant as the brain of the studio running midi and clock, and they do just fine with standard trap drums you get off splice or wherever but I just can't get knocking layered drums on it without a ton of post processing
@@dontcallmejon yes, i understand it.
Finally a decent objective comparison 🎉 Possible to get the wav files of both x vs sp1200 and 3000 comparison somewhere please? 🙏 The difference seems to increase when pitched down. I even tried to downpitch it in ableton and I must say the 3000 and sp1200 still bring something different to the table and although the differences are minimal, they seem to be there.
They've been posted now.. I wanted to edit them down, but haven't had a chance.. so they're there now in they're entirety - check description 🙏🏻
@tonelab Thank you!! ❤️
Gold is solid
They sound identical imo
@Charles13X I can hear it even on my Mac book speakers. Yeah deffo on the Low end.
Can definitely hear the difference the Mpc 300 sounds warmer, mids more dead center punchy, The Mpc X sounds cleaner, crispy on the High End, and has it's own distinctive punch as well on the bottom and mids, lacks warmth, and that's where the converter debate comes into play. Overall both are good machines.
Exactly ! The X is a beast in its own and the 3000 is one as well.
People tend to forget the basics. The mpc3000 can sample in 44,1k at 16bit. That is in fact CD quality. We not talking about s950 12bit stuff, once it hits that level of quality, basically it's hard to tell any difference cause there's almost none. Yeah, converter and this and that but in the end, you can always make it sound more dirty, cleaning it up on the other hand...
I always enjoyed the chunky mpc60 drums. I like that 3000 Filter and how it sounds on samples and base though. Both are beautiful machines
It's beyond me how people cannot hear the difference. There absolutely are quite a few differences actually. First difference I noticed I that the 3000 fills out the entire stereo space and that is crazy! As where the X shoots just bit more down the middle even at its current stereo output which is what you mentioned you will be outputting. I even listened in mono and the 3000 still almost sounded like it was putting out a STEREO signal LOL that's crazy! That's how fat it sounds. Second the 3000 low end rattled my speakers way different and it seems to have a really nice natural distortion to it as where the low end on the X dies out after the initial hit. Finally the sound coming out of the X almost sounded more like an IMAGE of sound recreated and delivered with this almost plastic wrapped film layered over the actual sounds of the hi hats, snare and if you listen closely enough you can also here that film over the kick and over all low end, even and especially with the 3000 emulation turned on. Its absolutely noticeable especially to a trained ear. As where the 3000 literally sounds like an actual band is playing in your living room. Now the average ears or someone who does not have their studio treated for sound will prob struggle to hear those subtle but obvious differences but the issue isn't that these differences aren't noticeable but rather what that all does to your final mix once you glue everything together especially being that the sound of the X just is NOT as precise as the 3000 and in this example is clearly showing how muddy the x is even with the 3000 emulation. The 3000 is absolutely clear and pristine and THAT is what is going to really determine the clarity of someones final mix of a song. Amazing video and thank you for taking the time in helping me make my mind up about what I am going to invest in. Lol
I’m using JBL speakers and they sound 99% identical to me
I’m even using AirPods and I can hear the 3000 is exactly as you say filling out the steep field more. It’s definitely superior.
My argument is if it’s old technology and the chips aren’t around anymore then why the hell can’t we do better than old tech????
It should be even more fat than before… not reduced
E-A-SKI is right. I know I’ll won’t be buying anymore AKAI machines until they raise the bar. Gimme an MPC that’s even 1k more than currently price with better converters and I’d buy one in a heartbeat.
Throw your JBLs away they must be trash if you can’t hear the difference lmao. Plus this video lying to the people. Reason? Ok I’ll tell you. First of all, he did NOT sample the sounds in through the converters the appropriate way on the 3000. If you listen to how he said he sampled the sound, he sample the audio right BEFORE it clipped. Now anyone who knows the strength of the 3000 it is that you CAN ABSOLUTELY CLIP THE SOUND!! In fact THAT is the beauty and main difference of that particular beast of a Machine that you CAN do vs the MPCX which you CANNOT do. He didn’t want to clip to much into the machines because then it just wouldn’t be fare. Fact is he don’t know how to use the 3000 the way it was intended to be used by us Hip Hop heads who changed the way these machines where used in the first place. WE CLIPPED THE SOUND! I can tell because the sound isn’t texturized by the MPC 3000 AND he clearly says right BEFORE the audio clips why because the X would sound like garbage if he did that. Sooo even with it being sampled in a behavioral fashion the 3000 still shines through period. It’s retarded for people to say they hear no difference. Their ears aren’t trained properly to know what to look for or how to even use their machines lol.
A proper comparison would be through the 8 outs, but word.. The 3000Vintage mode does next to nothing anyways.
IMO a big part of the 3000 sound comes from driving the input stage. It pushes air, something I haven’t been able to get from other MPCs.
Why are your main outputs not at full volume?
The outputs aren't calibrated, in other words.. they output different amounts of power. My audio interfaces intputs, on the other hand, were calibrated. So these level 'positions' are pushing out the same amount 🙏🏻
The non linear unit works as it should. The linear unit suffers from emphasized overtones. Evident in the reverb of the 808. One has depth, the other has the back of the room on the same plane as the front (flat).
Thanks for the critique 🙏🏼
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There's a slight variance a the tai endl of the sounds with the 3000 sounding slightly better imo but apart from that, they sound more or less exactly the same
Whatever the differences are, theyre just too small in certain areas to make too much of a big deal for me personally. A little outboard gear or daw wont hurt to fix whatever thise differences are BUT.... that price for nothing new is ridiculous 24:59
oh yeah, you need to do a ‘groove challenge’ and see who wins. i dig the X swing though..
Yep, those will be coming soon! 😉
@@tonelab So interesting test for this one is . Put a sample on pad 1, put a phase inverted copy on pad 2, trigger them identically same time via the sequencer, I suspect 3k will trigger them at different times and flam and the X they will silence each other out.
You should have used oneshots..kick's 808's and tapped out a pattern . I just wanted to hear a more indepth comparsion! Other than that Great job!
I’ll be doing more.. with other ‘versions’ of the X. I think there may be different converters in the Black/Red model.. so stay tuned more to come 🫡
That would've been nice but you can sample each & play it back yourself & I think he has the files to DL.
We would hear the midi jitter and timing differences.with one shots programmed into a pattern
@@caustictones781 right!
from a hiphop point a view its things like that I want see /hear...
It’s subtle, but the 3000 low end punches a bit more than on the X. Great comparison on your end. I also have a 3000 and previous owner of the X (currently have the Live and Key 61).
Through my speakers they are too identical, but the vintage mode on the X is a very small amount punchier than the original 3000. But too small to make a difference
I agree and can hear it. The vintage mode on the new mpc's are a joke. Just different EQ settings. I have the Live 1 and 2. It's how you cook up you beat or music that makes the difference.
I wanna see the Maschine plus sonics vs mpc 3000
I do not own any vintage MPC but I think the overall 'sound' of a sampler is 'heard' and 'felt' in full tracks composed where the drums, sample bass and other elements computed by the machine and let out of the speakers via the output jacks. That's where the MPC 3000 shines and the X loses
Well, there's different swings, different envelopes, filters etc etc.. there's many facets that a simple 'converter' comparison 'bypasses' in that respect 🙏🏻
@@tonelab yes exactly, that's why your video is very good but not definitive, but mad props to at least showing them on transposition duty
Definitely not definitive, no.. wasn't trying to.. just doing it 'this way', modestly.. to show people how these would generally behave in a home studio 🙏🏻
Great comparison. Minimal difference, tiny bit more tightness in the low end on the 3000 but it’s pretty close
🙏🏻 thanks
@@vjfxtheory I can hear it through a phone speaker. It’s subtle but noticeable on the snare - 3000 has more beefy, rounded, or “low end tightness”. I own the X only so I’m not biased. X just sounds thinner.
Did anyone notice any difference at all with the 'Vintage Mode' enabled?! 🤔
Not really. I have an original MPC X and I don’t ever hear much of anything whenever I engage the 3000 mode. However whenever I engage the MPC 60 mode I definitely hear a difference and I like it.
@@leogolive Yeah, just between you and me, I'm hoping to have the MPC X vs. the original Emu SP1200 in the 'vintage mode' challenge.. up tomorrow 🤫
@@tonelab Ok! Whenever I engage the regular SP1200 mode I hear a little bit of a difference. The SP1200 Ring mode you can really hear but it’s not a sound I like, personally. Of all the vintage modes the MPC 60 is my favorite hands down.
Yes it made the X sound darker just like the 3k. 3K Vintage mode isn't magic mode but gets the job done nothing more or less.
@@Noise-Conductor I was messing around with this mode earlier today and I can hear subtle differences but it depends on what I’m listening to. Today I heard it more on the snares than anything else. I need to experiment with it more.
I compared friends mpc one to my mpc 3000. If one and x use the same converter then… this test is a bit fishy.
3000 should be darker sounding, here they are 99% similar. Even my friend said that they sound different. Not better/ worse. Just different.
were the drums sampled or loaded onto the 3000 via disc/SD card/stick? The 3000 only sounds the way it should when the material has been recorded or sampled, since the signal only then runs through the 3000's converter and thus colors the sound.
They were Sampled into both. But, having said that.. converters are also used 'on the way out' to 'convert' the data stored in RAM back into an analog signal 👍🏻
Round 1 . Out of a pair of Hs8s and a avatone cone. And a sony Sub ❤The 3000 at those low transposed rates just sounds ‘punchier’ and excited! The X was getting thin mints. My woofers moved more on the 3000 one shot. To my ears. Good post . Team3000#2500#2000#S2400#SP1200New
The MPC3000 low end is deeper and wider compared to the MPC X🫡
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When he recorded the TR909 it was a clear difference
So basically they have the same audio circuitry.
Great video. It almost seemed like the 3k has a slightly stronger decay. Its like a circuit board vs an app
I heard a sizeable difference. I don't know what others are talking about. As expected, the newer device lacks strength and punch.
Pull out a 60 and an SP and really show the differences.
Even two identical MPC’s will sound within a five percent range of difference because theses types of machines are not built to military specifications, only consumer market specs
i think transients sound better on the 3000
6:50 100%
One thing you missed was to put the MPC filter on each pad.
That will give a similar low end to the MPC3000.. Otherwise it literally fuji apples and gala apples....
Actually, I was just measuring them 'as they are', not trying to enhance them of doing anything other than what they do 👍🏼
@@tonelab 4 sho.. in case you were wondering why i commented The MPC 3000 has the Dynamic lowpass filters natively in the signal flow already..
Without adding them to the MPCX signal flow its only adding the MPC 3000 distortion algorithm without any of the lowpass dynamic response..
again.. does this matter. NO.. but too often people make the comparisons without converting to 16 bit ( like you did) this is just matching the signal flow variable.
Whoa whoa whoa we need this filter approach to be discussed a bit more. Just picked up a red/black x
Well, if the filter is all the way up/open.. you shouldn’t hear it at all. I’d agree, if the test was 50% closed filter, but.. if, I’m to compare the filters, envelopes, etc etc, then that would be part of a much more comprehensive comparison 👍🏼
@@tonelabA difference is audible even when the 3000 filter is open
Does anybody here care to enlighten me on what E-A Ski was complaining about as far as the lack of sound quality and sonics coming from the MPC X? I explained to the dude that his complaint was about a rant. And I still stand by my comment. Or was his drummed-up Akai drama necessary?
I believe this guy should of recorded from the 8 outputs and not just the mix out. Thats what my boys would preach who run a pretty well known studio where I'm at. Stereo outs is not the way.
I agree
@@embodie_breaks7089 the thing is that a digital output signal is going to sound better than an analog output. I know E-A Ski thinks otherwise. Naturally, a digital signal is going to be the clearest recording possible as long as your electricity is clean too.
The problem is.. the digital signal has to be converted to analog at some point in the signal path.. it has to, to be sent to Speakers or Headphones. So, if you don't capture it, from the MPC analog output.. you'll have to capture it from the 'output' of your audio interface instead.. which is not what I wanted to do here.. and then, in doing that.. I'd have to bypass the MPC3000 analog output.. and compare the MPC3000's digital 'output', and then, if that happened.. we're hearing both 'sounds' thru the 'footprint' of the 'audio interface' only.. which is why I did it like this.. so, people can 'hear' both the analog outputs of these MPCs and compare their 'converters' 🙏🏻
@@tonelab I'm not sure what the point is if it's about getting the best sound possible from the MPC. The sound goes in analog and is converted to digital. From that point, you're dealing with the resolution of the bit rate and frequency capture rate. Why convert it again reducing the sound potential with analog? Makes no sense to me unless you send the audio through tube amps or something.
Yeah it sounds the same until you drag and drop into the DAW instead of using your analog out to route your sounds thru and then you will realize the difference. A digital to digital route is a thinner sound quality in the end. Analog out to whatever you can route to like an analog mixer or preamp etc then to the daw thru interface and you can achieve that type of warmth and colored sound quality all the way through recording the finished song. Alot of the people that are coming into the MPC experience starting with the the newer machines don’t realize that and even some of us that use the old ones have gotten so used to the digital sound and the ease of dragging and dropping. The problem lies when you upload an already thinner quality wav to the streaming platforms and social media and it keeps getting compressed and the quality gets a little weaker. Starting with a good strong sound gives more room for the end product to still be of rich quality
Also when you play musical instrumentation through them that’s when you hear the most difference in sound in equipment. They always comparing just drums or one instrument at a time with keyboards that’s why we can barely hear the difference. Play a complete song with bells pads guitars and regular drums and then you will definitely notice.
I got a question for you, if u sample something…a loop, a drum hit, a melody, stab hit, guitar riff, etc. after you sample it, do you want the MPC to beef it up and make it louder once you finish sampling it or you want it to sound exactly how you sampled it and you can tweak it after? I use to do it the old school way, run it through something before the DAW. But nowadays, you can run it through outboard gear while in your DAW. So it can be ran through before or after, it’s your choice. You can run it through plug-ins an record it back to your DAW also. You don’t have to make things louder in the DAW because plug-ins work their best when the sound is at -18. That’s what all plug-in companies recommend…-18. So I don’t run through the outputs no more, waste of time and take to long and I can get the same sound in the DAW as I would if I ran them through the outputs
Are you sure the levels are matched ? I've done the "digital to digital" route with an MPC 4k/adat card and compared to the converters. I used to like the Adat more.
the mpc3000 has a low end that the Mpc x just cannot seem to cover. the mpc3000 is warm as hell that low-end just hits.
The 3K is punching like Bruce Lee and the X is punching like an MP3 version of Bruce Li ‘ . You gotta to hear that. Now I want an X and send it to Black Lion Audio too. It being discontinued maybe a bargain for a X or SE will come soon
The SE has different converters to the Black/Red, according to Black Lion.. but.. I'm curious what's in the Gold! ..it actually sounds pretty good side by side. But, I've had a Black/Red before.. I don't remember it sounding that good.. I may have to compare those 2 now 🤔
On what frequencies can you tell such a huge difference ? I am genuinely curious as on a pair of studio headphones I heard a very very little difference on the mid lows.
@@MGoolas naw.. I definitely wouldn't say 'Huge' anything.. it stacked up considerably well, IMHO. I mentioned earlier, in another comment .. I actually liked elements from both 'sonically' speaking. But..I suspect.. there may be.. different converters in the 'Gold' !! ..an engineer from Black Lion mentioned recently.. that there were 'AKM' converters in the Black/Red OG X.. but 'Burr-Brown' converters (same maker of converter in the 3000) 'inside' the X-SE... so, now.. I gotta redo this shoot out with a Black/Red OG. 🙏🏻
@@MGoolas its like you can here thAt woof from the woofer. That x dont sound bad at all. It was had to tell at higher however when it went low that woof was not present like the 3k!
@@tonelab convertors (outside the MPC bubble is an interesting one) the surrounding circuitry is equally as important.
Only gear snobs will notice a difference.
3000 has a little more punch!!!!!!!
The X sounded more punchy in some parts!!! Most of all!!! They sound the same 😂
To a degree, I agree.. certain 'Pitches' reveal different attributes.. 'my ears' noticed a warmer bottom on the 3000 at times.. while some crisper, vivid 'mids' (also at times from the X).. so, I could easily pick what I want from both.. but, as far as this test goes.. I was attracted to elements from both 👍🏻
There is a tiny difference not worth the debate.
Very Similar. Not too much different.
People mistakenly think the MPC 3000 is lo-fi when it’s actually CD quality!
The new MPC range allows you to bypass the built-in converters via USB interface and it puzzles me why more people don’t talk about it!
I was thinking the same thing, wanted to see if using the USB to a RME Fireface UFX III (class compliant) and see if theirs any perceivable difference in converters to the ear.
send this to that guy who likes to rant about this subject without ever actually making this! a proper comparison....😆
The difference is so small it would be inaudible to untrained ears. When you listen to it blind, you really cannot hear the difference.
There is no difference 😮
The difference is like 0.0000001% lol