A question I asked every couple was: “looking at my portfolio and blogs, did you see anything that you don’t like about my editing style?” It gave them the opportunity to point out things they didn’t like without me taking it personally
Exactly! It's a great way to sus out if they have HUGE problems with your editing style or if there are small changes you could make for them. This is a great point!
I always do zoom consults with my couples to make sure we are a good fit but I’ve never actually told them my editing style during the consult like you mentioned about “desaturated greens, grainy b&w” and I love that added communication because it also shares with the couple how passionate you are about your edit. I always go towards the Natural Feels profile or the Kj Edit on Imagen based on what I’m shooting and I will say both styles are stunning and a great BASE but yes, typically need some tweaking before they’re done. This sepia nightmare is so unfortunate because I know several photographers that edit that style and do it beautifully!
After actually watching the Bride’s videos, this was not a Bridezilla. Her requests and critiques were very reasonable. This exchange went wrong. A photo proofing to gauge her preferences could’ve remedied the back and forth. “You want a cleaner, more realistic look? The warmth was too much? No problem. Lets make this right.” Done. At their expense this was a good lesson.
Honestly, the photographer ran into a Bridezilla. The bride hired her and is now complaining that she doesn't like her style. I am 100% blaming the bride and I stand on that. Although the orange look isn't my thing, the photos are beautiful. Unfortunately, photographers are trying so hard to stand out from one another that they develop these color/tint branding styles and soon or later it blows up in their face. It is what it is.
I agree. This feels very similar to what I dealt with. Also, like you said, you can see her work there's no way she honestly thought she was going to get the look of when she edited her own photos. It's TOTALLY different.
@@jbivphotography It's crazy but this is the power of social media. It can be a blessing or curse. It doesn't look like the photographer will be hurt by this. Any publicity is good publicity.
I watched the tik Tok videos by the bride. Obviously some miscommunication about the style. I don’t know both sides but the examples shown by the bride are not what I would think as good but many people aren’t as particular as a person who works with colours. Personally if someone paid me me $8000 I would at least deliver a colour accurate set if there was a disagreement about the filters. My sister had the same issue with her wedding photographer. Delivered the photos with a terrible filter stuck on, my sister is a graphic designer so she absolutely hated it but the photog said it was his style and refused to change it. Fortunately I had taken more than enough photos in RAW to compensate for this.
Excellent advice here. Seems every job I do I find one more thing to add to the expectations discussion with the next client. Now I know how the IRS code got so complex! 😂. In this case, the wedding photos look consistent with the photographer’s prior work-her style is pretty clear, like it or not. Now assuming the photos were “properly” edited (not just presets slapped on) as you recommend, I’m surprised that the photographer was not able to make a quick white balance and color correction preset and apply it to everything. Yeah, it would erase her style, maybe something she refused to give up, but I have to imagine it would be a pretty simple way to make the customer happy.
There's a suspicion that this client was rejected by a handful of local photographers prior to booking her. For the client to suddenly be this particular about color/tone, when the photographer's deliverables matches her portfolio? She wanted the 'raws' for herself from the get 😒📷👎
ooooo. That would actually make more sense. She finally found someone who would book her and now everythig is an issue after the fact. If that is true it would be really sad.
"presets are not a one click fix" yes!! I wish I learned this earlier than I did. Would have saved a lot of money on presets 😂 I have my own now. It gets the job 75% done, but I still have to go and tweak the last 25%.
Yeah it's an unfortunate situation. You would think the photographers portfolio shows what you're going to get and a lot of the complaints coming from the couple aren't totally in line. The way the bride ended up editing the photos are TOTALLY different than the photogrpaher's look.
@@jbivphotography Yes i did, as did i with your other video's. I'm starting as a weddingphotographer and I already learned a lot of your vids! So thanx again for your inspiring tutorials.
I agree with everything you say and try to do a lot of those things myself. My only problem, I edit engagement sessions like a portrait but my weddings like a wedding. Which is similar but there are some differences.
I’m a huge believer of consistency in all things since wedding photography is more of a product. This way your couples know exactly what it is they’re receiving rather than edits being different all of the time.
@@jbivphotography it's not really so that different, other than I tend to do more retouching in an engagement shoot than I do for weddings or other events. Also, I don't often to both (wedding and engagement) Im more of a portrait photographer than a wedding photographer. I just do weddings here and there. But I tend to edit those a little less "glamory" than other types of portraits
We live in a day and age where cameras are amazing and presets are everywhere and I feel like a lot of folks enter the game and never take the time to actually understand Lightroom they just plop presets and are like “great that looks awesome” 🤷♂️
@jbivphotography the problem for me she is charging upwards of $6k for what is photography student / amateur level of work. She gives me inflated ego vibes on her insta.
Every photographer in my area uses that stupid look, you cant tell one photographer apart from the next. I try to keep my work true to the day and the feeling. I havent had any complaints in the 18 years taking pics, so i guess its working.
I do love the photographer's work. I guess it's one of those days where the client doesn't connect with what they got, something that should have been sorted before the shoot.
Exactly. The photographer looks like she’s a really good photographer. Looking over her Instagram her stuff looks great.But this happens sometimes and it’s honestly kind of the worst.
Yeah I love her work absolutely stunning actually. The problem in this time of age right now is that I a lot new photographers actually over sell themselves to get client without even investing in learning photography itself. Buy expensive gear with wide aperture and use preset. Without even know the standards and principle of Photography itself.
I agree. There is a lot of that happening. The interesting thing about photography is there is no bar to entry. So the range in what a "good" photographer is varies dramatically. Even I would only put myself as a mid-tier photographer compared to some wedding photographers I know.
Sometimes. I will explain to my couple how it's helpful to see how your photographer shoots and get used to their style. But I don't really go into the fact that they can get a refund if needed or that an engagement sometimes can be like a test run. Most of my couples are just happy an engagement session is included so we go ahead and do one.
it's not even sepia, it's more orange and teal without the teal, the skin tone is orange for sure. when the bride saw the initial portfolio, like our eyes, she got adjusted to see it as being "natural." when her friend's iPhone pictures show up, she is like wow, that's better, more natural, and why I become Oompa Loompa? It's very unfortunate.
Yeah not sepia at all. I think people are calling it that just because the orange reminds them of sepia. If anything maybe this drama will kill that overly warm style and bring back natural colors. At the end of the day this is very unfortunate.
Great learned: ask for a raw and edited, side by side. I'm team bride. If i didn't watch these videos on it I wouldn't have noticed how edited the ig one's are. I thought they were sunset pictures. The photographer has pictures with white in them, so more natural colors. How is a person supposed to know what the colors were initially.
hi, i agree and have done much the same, always ask did you have a look at my work? just because i am recommended does not mean i am for you that is what i ask blessing all
I never hate on other people’s “style”. But unless this photographer completely changed their editing style this is on bride for complaining knowing what the photographers style is. From the comments I’ve seen, the photographer has always had that editing style and the bride knew.
Exactly. Wedding photography is a product and people forget that sometimes. While there is some art to it at the end of the day it's a service and a product. The photographer has one a great time showing her work and what you'll be receiving from her as a wedding couple so this bride is pretty out of pocket with this whole situation. Either way it's bad on all ends and I hope they come to a solution.
The bride said she never looked at the photographers portfolio and only looked through her Instagram. My theory is she hired the photographer based on her large Instagram following.
I'll always do an engagement shoot first if possible. There's no way I'm going into a wedding without at least meeting them in person first. Communication is key. They should know your style of editing and be happy or speak up before hand if they want it edited a certain style .
I've done weddings sometimes without doing an engagement session, but having the engagement is the safest option ALWAYS. I've had less than 5 couples who were not happy with their engagement photos and being able to give them a partial refund of the deposit and help them find another photographer was a huge win for everyone.
The bride speaks that she loved her engagement photos but they were taken in a different lighting situation. Not as many shadows under her eyes in the engagement session compared to the wedding. But the photographer is not a wizard and cant control the overcast weather she was unfortunately dealt
From what I saw I believe so, however, re-editing the photos doesn't always mean fully changing the style but more so maybe cleaning up the photos a little more. However, I'm not sure.
@@gennatay Thanks for that clarification. Yeah that type of edit makes sense. I do know some photographers who change their style per client but that would be a huge headache honestly and wouldn't lead to efficiency in the long run.
When I am talking to potential clients or people that are shopping I always I tell them this rule. The photographer cannot shoot the style you want all of the time. You need to really look at that photographers body of work and see if YOU love it. I have to agree with others comments on the bridezilla. Some people walk life with a bad attitude and expect to have problems and it sounds like this is what that photographer had to deal with.
Yeah totally. Sometimes folks always find something wrong with anything and the chances of that happening with weddings is super high. It’s unfortunate
The edits were pretty bad i must say. It is sad for both parties. I feel bad for the bride because she looked like an oompa loompa but I feel bad for the photographer because that is her style that is getting bashed. Agree 100% - figure out or find out if you like the style of the photographer before committing to it and photographers like her that has a really strong editing style (i say really strong because the colors are so far off the actual colors) should be very clear that this is their style of photography.
Exactly. In situations like these I believe blame could be placed on either side of the fence and really it comes down to expectations being off on all ends. It’s a sad situation.
Couldn't the photographer sue the client for defamation with all the trashing she is doing on social about this photog? It's one thing to be unhappy with the editing, it's another to go so far to make 10 tiktok videos on it, ultimately trashing the photographer for a product they delivered to the standard they outlined.
I believe that’s what’s about to happen. Also there have been cases like this in the past and the photographers have won. So I’m sure she thinks maybe she’s safe but I would say the photographers have the better chances currently.
The problem here is that the bride wants all of the RAW files but generally no wedding photographer gives away the RAWs. They charge for them. And the bride doesn't want to pay for the RAW files.
......... the bride complaining about the photographer style, she obviously didn't even bother to look at the photographers Instagram. Now she's complaining and wants the RAWS? Hell no.
I went through and watched the whole exchange and supposedly she knew the style.....seems a little sus however because the way the bride edited the photos is SOO different than the photog.
I will say some of those edits do look like the photog just slapped a preset on it and didn’t really play with the shadows and such. But that lighting was mainly because it was an overcast day.
After watching all of her TikTok's on this whole thing, I'm about 70% team photographer/ 30% bride. On one hand, I think after the bride straight up told her that shes crying and will do anything for her photos, the photographer could've compromised on her RAW pricing, dropped it from $4k to $2k at least and make her sign a NDA/contract to not talk shit about the RAW photos if she doesn't like them. On the other hand, the bride has zero idea how editing works and assumes we spend several hours editing ONE picture in a 400+ album, claiming all we do is use presets and move on. Yes we use presets as a baseline for our work and then branch off of that for each new scene/location in that album where the lighting/WB changes. And then yeah, I agree, the photos are definitely way more warm than I would edit to BUT after looking at the photographers instagram, that is HER STYLE, you chose her based on that. She saw pictures on her insta with other brides and wanted to look like that but forgot shes a different looking person with different makeup, etc...
Honestly I’m team client experience. The photographer literally just needs to bring down the warmth and orange saturation and I think the bride would be happy. Her skin was orange and hair had red highlights instead of blonde ! It def seemed way too orange compared to her portfolio
@@kendrarose2107 I agree, thats why im partially brides side too, photographer could've compromised on pricing for the RAWS and she could've brought down the warm tones too. Who knows.
it's surprising to me that the bride didn't expect the style if she looked at the portfolio. if she didn't, that's her fault. but also the fault of the photographer to not have the conversation about photos and style beforehand.
I don't understand the problem. The bride is being annoying, but the photographer could have easily defused the situation by offering a re-edit with natural colors. That's extra work, and it's not "fair", but it's better to do that than to incur damage to one's reputation from an unhappy client on social media. People need to be less emotional and more pragmatic.
Unfortunately as a photographer if we went around switching our style every time someone didn’t like our style it would leave us with so much extra work. Re-doing work just because someone is unhappy with it is super uncommon. It’s almost the same as a store taking a return after you used and trashed clothes. Or in a restaurant saying you don’t like the way the meal tasted but you ate the whole thing and now you’re asking them to make it again. So it’s less of an emotional thing and partially for the customer to know what they want as well.
Honesty l I'm not a fan of the burnt orange, sepia or what ever they are calling it. This was actually popular back before 2010 and didn't last. But I guess it's back, but 10 years down the road the client will ask what they hell they were thinking. But the bride should have looked over the photographers work and asked questions pertaining to editing the photos for a final look. So it's the brides fault for not communicating what she wanted. I don't chase fads or trends. I stick to vivid colors and black and white. I will sometimes throw in a moody B&W or color to match the scene and emotion. But the I make sure the clients I work with know that I don't shoot the latest fad nor will i cave to what the newest trend is. Guess I'm old fashioned. Lets hope selective color doesn't make a comeback.
LOL selective color making a comeback would be crazy. But yeah the bride saw the work, it doesn't make sense that now she would want everything edited so differently. 🤷♂️
STOP CALLING THE PHOTOGRAPHER’S WORK “SEPIA”. That is misleading, those pictures aren’t sepia, those pics are WARM AND MOODY. Sepia is a whole different thing. Because of this ignorance the photographers who do this kind of look are getting bashed online right now. Please stop calling sepia to this.
@@jbivphotography Thank you John, IDK if you can do this but, I think every educator has a duty to educate right? Why dont educate the audience on the difference between the types of looks in photography to avoid this mess? Personally I got affected by this misunderstanding, I literally got booted from a gig because the bride called my work sepia, which isn't by a long shot. So yeah, this kind of ignorance in the general public affects photographers like me.
I may not fully back the bride, but looking at that photographer insta, she comes accross as someome who never had their work critiqued and her photos are definitely not worth the prices she charges. Inflated ego much? Her color grading is amateurish and really outdated.
I'm not sure I would say everything you said, however, some of the edits do seem a little rough around the edges. Not to say my edits are perfect by any means but some of the photos the bride showed seemed like the shadows were way too heavy and you could have easily lightened that up.
I may be harsh, but she charges quite a fee for what looks like mediocre quality. Overblown ocean, murky shadows..she lacks finesse and if it true, her attitude is also bad.
Using Sepia in this day and age is the most stupid thing to do. Why would you do a Sepia to a YOUNG COUPLE? These are the kids who grew up in the internet age, of rich colors, cellphones, tiktoks and Instagram, etc
Every photographer in my area does this. They’re all females. And they’re getting booked into 2026. Their clients prefer blown out skies and sepia tones, rather than some nice cinematic off camera flash where YOU as the photographer controls the environment. Photography is 90% business and marketing, and 10% talent and skills. 🤣💁🏽♂️
I'm not a fan of the orange look but I also wouldn't say that knowing how to work with your environment and pivot when the light changes equals a lack of skill. I personally don't like the clinical (imo) look of flash and prefer a more "imperfect," nostalgic feel (not that there isn't a place for flash occasionally). Maybe these women are more skilled than you give them credit for? I'm actually not sure why you felt the need to mention that they're women. As a female photographer, I deal with lots of male photographers that seem to be personally insulted that I learned photography from photographing my young children and then took it further into the business realm (and no, I don't charge ridiculously low prices). There's no reason for this path to be less "worthy" than a path more common to male photographers. Anyway, maybe you're not one of these male photographers, but you sure sound like it when you gripe about how these women are booking more than you with your big flash and suggesting that they have more business sense than skill. If your work is good you don't need to be afraid of the women with their cameras.
@@cahleena Hey! ☺️ Dang I must’ve struck a nerve with my comment lol 😆 But I don’t mean it like that! I shoot natural light as well, but all I’m saying is in my area, I’m one of the only male photographers. And I’m definitely not insulted. I’m rooting for everyone at the end of the day! Everyone has their style. Consistency is key! I just like flash, and if the situation allows it, I’m using off camera flash most of the time. I like doing most of the work in camera, rather than recovering highlights and shadows in post. But hey that’s awesome! I looked at your IG and I love the storytelling! I’ll give you a follow! 🤗 And hey I apologize if I offended you (as a woman)! I’m not one of those egomaniac photographers! 😅
@@siryssphotography Hi there! First of all, I have no idea how to figure out if someone replies to a comment I left on CZcams, but I just saw your IG follow and though "Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't have been so hard on the guy first thing in the morning before I had my coffee." 😄You did strike a nerve but only because the way your comment was worded reminded me of a general feeling of being looked down upon by male photographers. I don't personally do mini sessions in the park but I feel protective of women who do them and don't like it when male photographers make comments about the stay-at-home mom with a Rebel taking away their business, as if they were less legitimate than other photographers. I think I put you into that camp without really knowing you and I'm sorry! I'm looking forward to checking out your IG and giving you a follow back. ☺☺
A question I asked every couple was: “looking at my portfolio and blogs, did you see anything that you don’t like about my editing style?” It gave them the opportunity to point out things they didn’t like without me taking it personally
Exactly! It's a great way to sus out if they have HUGE problems with your editing style or if there are small changes you could make for them. This is a great point!
I always do zoom consults with my couples to make sure we are a good fit but I’ve never actually told them my editing style during the consult like you mentioned about “desaturated greens, grainy b&w” and I love that added communication because it also shares with the couple how passionate you are about your edit.
I always go towards the Natural Feels profile or the Kj Edit on Imagen based on what I’m shooting and I will say both styles are stunning and a great BASE but yes, typically need some tweaking before they’re done.
This sepia nightmare is so unfortunate because I know several photographers that edit that style and do it beautifully!
After actually watching the Bride’s videos, this was not a Bridezilla. Her requests and critiques were very reasonable. This exchange went wrong. A photo proofing to gauge her preferences could’ve remedied the back and forth. “You want a cleaner, more realistic look? The warmth was too much? No problem. Lets make this right.” Done. At their expense this was a good lesson.
Honestly, the photographer ran into a Bridezilla. The bride hired her and is now complaining that she doesn't like her style. I am 100% blaming the bride and I stand on that. Although the orange look isn't my thing, the photos are beautiful. Unfortunately, photographers are trying so hard to stand out from one another that they develop these color/tint branding styles and soon or later it blows up in their face. It is what it is.
I agree. This feels very similar to what I dealt with. Also, like you said, you can see her work there's no way she honestly thought she was going to get the look of when she edited her own photos. It's TOTALLY different.
@@jbivphotography It's crazy but this is the power of social media. It can be a blessing or curse. It doesn't look like the photographer will be hurt by this. Any publicity is good publicity.
That's why I always just go with natural looking color. I might get moody with some black and white but that's about it
I watched the tik Tok videos by the bride. Obviously some miscommunication about the style. I don’t know both sides but the examples shown by the bride are not what I would think as good but many people aren’t as particular as a person who works with colours. Personally if someone paid me me $8000 I would at least deliver a colour accurate set if there was a disagreement about the filters. My sister had the same issue with her wedding photographer. Delivered the photos with a terrible filter stuck on, my sister is a graphic designer so she absolutely hated it but the photog said it was his style and refused to change it. Fortunately I had taken more than enough photos in RAW to compensate for this.
Excellent advice here. Seems every job I do I find one more thing to add to the expectations discussion with the next client. Now I know how the IRS code got so complex! 😂. In this case, the wedding photos look consistent with the photographer’s prior work-her style is pretty clear, like it or not. Now assuming the photos were “properly” edited (not just presets slapped on) as you recommend, I’m surprised that the photographer was not able to make a quick white balance and color correction preset and apply it to everything. Yeah, it would erase her style, maybe something she refused to give up, but I have to imagine it would be a pretty simple way to make the customer happy.
There's a suspicion that this client was rejected by a handful of local photographers prior to booking her. For the client to suddenly be this particular about color/tone, when the photographer's deliverables matches her portfolio? She wanted the 'raws' for herself from the get 😒📷👎
ooooo. That would actually make more sense. She finally found someone who would book her and now everythig is an issue after the fact. If that is true it would be really sad.
"presets are not a one click fix" yes!! I wish I learned this earlier than I did. Would have saved a lot of money on presets 😂 I have my own now. It gets the job 75% done, but I still have to go and tweak the last 25%.
It’s so true. Presets should be doing about 80% of the work and the rest is actually editing. Thanks for watching! 👏👏👏
Great Video!!
Thanks!
I just went to her IG, she's SUPER orange with it lol, but I don't see how the couple that booked her didn't see that. Seems weird!
Yeah it's an unfortunate situation. You would think the photographers portfolio shows what you're going to get and a lot of the complaints coming from the couple aren't totally in line. The way the bride ended up editing the photos are TOTALLY different than the photogrpaher's look.
What’s her Instagram
@@JuanRojas956 it's in the description
Man you’re Good! Thanx for this!
Thanks a bunch. Hope you enjoyed it
@@jbivphotography Yes i did, as did i with your other video's. I'm starting as a weddingphotographer and I already learned a lot of your vids! So thanx again for your inspiring tutorials.
I agree with everything you say and try to do a lot of those things myself. My only problem, I edit engagement sessions like a portrait but my weddings like a wedding. Which is similar but there are some differences.
I’m a huge believer of consistency in all things since wedding photography is more of a product. This way your couples know exactly what it is they’re receiving rather than edits being different all of the time.
@@jbivphotography it's not really so that different, other than I tend to do more retouching in an engagement shoot than I do for weddings or other events. Also, I don't often to both (wedding and engagement) Im more of a portrait photographer than a wedding photographer. I just do weddings here and there. But I tend to edit those a little less "glamory" than other types of portraits
Do you have presets? I might be interested. I like your style and that’s what I’ve been going for recently
I do. There's a link for them in the description. It's the personal preset I use that I sell so you'll get the same look as my photos.
4:52 - "Please God, learn how to actually edit in Lightroom" Never thought this would have to be explained to photographers 😅
Great takes here John!
We live in a day and age where cameras are amazing and presets are everywhere and I feel like a lot of folks enter the game and never take the time to actually understand Lightroom they just plop presets and are like “great that looks awesome” 🤷♂️
@jbivphotography the problem for me she is charging upwards of $6k for what is photography student / amateur level of work. She gives me inflated ego vibes on her insta.
Every photographer in my area uses that stupid look, you cant tell one photographer apart from the next. I try to keep my work true to the day and the feeling. I havent had any complaints in the 18 years taking pics, so i guess its working.
I do love the photographer's work. I guess it's one of those days where the client doesn't connect with what they got, something that should have been sorted before the shoot.
Exactly. The photographer looks like she’s a really good photographer. Looking over her Instagram her stuff looks great.But this happens sometimes and it’s honestly kind of the worst.
Yeah I love her work absolutely stunning actually.
The problem in this time of age right now is that I a lot new photographers actually over sell themselves to get client without even investing in learning photography itself. Buy expensive gear with wide aperture and use preset. Without even know the standards and principle of Photography itself.
I agree. There is a lot of that happening. The interesting thing about photography is there is no bar to entry. So the range in what a "good" photographer is varies dramatically. Even I would only put myself as a mid-tier photographer compared to some wedding photographers I know.
Do you mention the engagement component in the consult?
Sometimes. I will explain to my couple how it's helpful to see how your photographer shoots and get used to their style. But I don't really go into the fact that they can get a refund if needed or that an engagement sometimes can be like a test run. Most of my couples are just happy an engagement session is included so we go ahead and do one.
Great points John...wow..did the photographer offer to re edit them?..lol
I think the photographer did re-edit them but in her own original style. Not in the new style the bride wanted.
it's not even sepia, it's more orange and teal without the teal, the skin tone is orange for sure. when the bride saw the initial portfolio, like our eyes, she got adjusted to see it as being "natural." when her friend's iPhone pictures show up, she is like wow, that's better, more natural, and why I become Oompa Loompa? It's very unfortunate.
Yeah not sepia at all. I think people are calling it that just because the orange reminds them of sepia. If anything maybe this drama will kill that overly warm style and bring back natural colors. At the end of the day this is very unfortunate.
Great learned: ask for a raw and edited, side by side. I'm team bride. If i didn't watch these videos on it I wouldn't have noticed how edited the ig one's are. I thought they were sunset pictures. The photographer has pictures with white in them, so more natural colors. How is a person supposed to know what the colors were initially.
hi, i agree and have done much the same, always ask did you have a look at my work? just because i am recommended does not mean i am for you that is what i ask blessing all
Exactly. It’s best practices to make sure the client is really happy with the product that you’re providing. Thanks for sharing.
The photos were pretty bad tho (I’m a fan of natural colors). But at the same time the couple knows who they hired.
I wouldn't say they're bad but I also am not a fan of the super warm types of edit.
I never hate on other people’s “style”. But unless this photographer completely changed their editing style this is on bride for complaining knowing what the photographers style is. From the comments I’ve seen, the photographer has always had that editing style and the bride knew.
Exactly. Wedding photography is a product and people forget that sometimes. While there is some art to it at the end of the day it's a service and a product. The photographer has one a great time showing her work and what you'll be receiving from her as a wedding couple so this bride is pretty out of pocket with this whole situation. Either way it's bad on all ends and I hope they come to a solution.
The bride said she never looked at the photographers portfolio and only looked through her Instagram. My theory is she hired the photographer based on her large Instagram following.
OH NO. That's not a reason to pick a photographer at all.
I'll always do an engagement shoot first if possible. There's no way I'm going into a wedding without at least meeting them in person first. Communication is key. They should know your style of editing and be happy or speak up before hand if they want it edited a certain style .
I've done weddings sometimes without doing an engagement session, but having the engagement is the safest option ALWAYS. I've had less than 5 couples who were not happy with their engagement photos and being able to give them a partial refund of the deposit and help them find another photographer was a huge win for everyone.
The bride speaks that she loved her engagement photos but they were taken in a different lighting situation. Not as many shadows under her eyes in the engagement session compared to the wedding. But the photographer is not a wizard and cant control the overcast weather she was unfortunately dealt
i still havent seen the original video where the brides complaining. where is it? everything I find is just people talking about it
I left a link to her videos in the description. Check it out.
@@jbivphotography ahh i see it. i looked 100 times before and must have missed it
Did the photographer offer to re-edit the images?
From what I saw I believe so, however, re-editing the photos doesn't always mean fully changing the style but more so maybe cleaning up the photos a little more. However, I'm not sure.
@@jbivphotography she did edits to bring out the brides makeup, but kept the same tones in the image
@@gennatay Thanks for that clarification. Yeah that type of edit makes sense. I do know some photographers who change their style per client but that would be a huge headache honestly and wouldn't lead to efficiency in the long run.
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When I am talking to potential clients or people that are shopping I always I tell them this rule. The photographer cannot shoot the style you want all of the time. You need to really look at that photographers body of work and see if YOU love it. I have to agree with others comments on the bridezilla. Some people walk life with a bad attitude and expect to have problems and it sounds like this is what that photographer had to deal with.
Yeah totally. Sometimes folks always find something wrong with anything and the chances of that happening with weddings is super high. It’s unfortunate
“Please….please God learn how to edit in Lightroom.”😂😂😂😂
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The edits were pretty bad i must say. It is sad for both parties. I feel bad for the bride because she looked like an oompa loompa but I feel bad for the photographer because that is her style that is getting bashed.
Agree 100% - figure out or find out if you like the style of the photographer before committing to it and photographers like her that has a really strong editing style (i say really strong because the colors are so far off the actual colors) should be very clear that this is their style of photography.
Exactly. In situations like these I believe blame could be placed on either side of the fence and really it comes down to expectations being off on all ends. It’s a sad situation.
Couldn't the photographer sue the client for defamation with all the trashing she is doing on social about this photog? It's one thing to be unhappy with the editing, it's another to go so far to make 10 tiktok videos on it, ultimately trashing the photographer for a product they delivered to the standard they outlined.
I believe that’s what’s about to happen. Also there have been cases like this in the past and the photographers have won. So I’m sure she thinks maybe she’s safe but I would say the photographers have the better chances currently.
Don't work with clients which "don't listen". You can spot them by the first inital one to one talk when you speak about details in the E-Mail.
Very true. This is the main reason we have meetings. That we both the couple and the photographer can make sure they're a good fit for each other.
Why not just reedit the photos in lightroom with the raw files? This seems like an easy fix to me.
The problem here is that the bride wants all of the RAW files but generally no wedding photographer gives away the RAWs. They charge for them. And the bride doesn't want to pay for the RAW files.
I don’t think this situation was bad for the photographer. A lot of people started following her after this sepia bride talked about her
True. Lots of good visibility for her.
......... the bride complaining about the photographer style, she obviously didn't even bother to look at the photographers Instagram. Now she's complaining and wants the RAWS? Hell no.
I went through and watched the whole exchange and supposedly she knew the style.....seems a little sus however because the way the bride edited the photos is SOO different than the photog.
Client is trash in this scenario. Her style is clear and she’s a talented photographer.
I will say some of those edits do look like the photog just slapped a preset on it and didn’t really play with the shadows and such. But that lighting was mainly because it was an overcast day.
After watching all of her TikTok's on this whole thing, I'm about 70% team photographer/ 30% bride. On one hand, I think after the bride straight up told her that shes crying and will do anything for her photos, the photographer could've compromised on her RAW pricing, dropped it from $4k to $2k at least and make her sign a NDA/contract to not talk shit about the RAW photos if she doesn't like them. On the other hand, the bride has zero idea how editing works and assumes we spend several hours editing ONE picture in a 400+ album, claiming all we do is use presets and move on. Yes we use presets as a baseline for our work and then branch off of that for each new scene/location in that album where the lighting/WB changes.
And then yeah, I agree, the photos are definitely way more warm than I would edit to BUT after looking at the photographers instagram, that is HER STYLE, you chose her based on that. She saw pictures on her insta with other brides and wanted to look like that but forgot shes a different looking person with different makeup, etc...
Honestly I’m team client experience. The photographer literally just needs to bring down the warmth and orange saturation and I think the bride would be happy. Her skin was orange and hair had red highlights instead of blonde ! It def seemed way too orange compared to her portfolio
@@kendrarose2107 I agree, thats why im partially brides side too, photographer could've compromised on pricing for the RAWS and she could've brought down the warm tones too. Who knows.
it's surprising to me that the bride didn't expect the style if she looked at the portfolio. if she didn't, that's her fault. but also the fault of the photographer to not have the conversation about photos and style beforehand.
Exactly. You really need to point out to your inquiring couple your style and make sure they understand what it is and what they're receiving.
what's the photographer's Instagram?
I got it down in the description.
I don't understand the problem. The bride is being annoying, but the photographer could have easily defused the situation by offering a re-edit with natural colors. That's extra work, and it's not "fair", but it's better to do that than to incur damage to one's reputation from an unhappy client on social media. People need to be less emotional and more pragmatic.
Unfortunately as a photographer if we went around switching our style every time someone didn’t like our style it would leave us with so much extra work. Re-doing work just because someone is unhappy with it is super uncommon. It’s almost the same as a store taking a return after you used and trashed clothes. Or in a restaurant saying you don’t like the way the meal tasted but you ate the whole thing and now you’re asking them to make it again. So it’s less of an emotional thing and partially for the customer to know what they want as well.
Honesty l I'm not a fan of the burnt orange, sepia or what ever they are calling it. This was actually popular back before 2010 and didn't last. But I guess it's back, but 10 years down the road the client will ask what they hell they were thinking. But the bride should have looked over the photographers work and asked questions pertaining to editing the photos for a final look. So it's the brides fault for not communicating what she wanted.
I don't chase fads or trends. I stick to vivid colors and black and white. I will sometimes throw in a moody B&W or color to match the scene and emotion. But the I make sure the clients I work with know that I don't shoot the latest fad nor will i cave to what the newest trend is. Guess I'm old fashioned.
Lets hope selective color doesn't make a comeback.
LOL selective color making a comeback would be crazy. But yeah the bride saw the work, it doesn't make sense that now she would want everything edited so differently. 🤷♂️
STOP CALLING THE PHOTOGRAPHER’S WORK “SEPIA”.
That is misleading, those pictures aren’t sepia, those pics are WARM AND MOODY. Sepia is a whole different thing.
Because of this ignorance the photographers who do this kind of look are getting bashed online right now.
Please stop calling sepia to this.
You're correct. I was just calling it per the trend everyone is calling it but it's true. It's not a true sepia. Thanks for that correction.
@@jbivphotography Thank you John, IDK if you can do this but, I think every educator has a duty to educate right? Why dont educate the audience on the difference between the types of looks in photography to avoid this mess?
Personally I got affected by this misunderstanding, I literally got booted from a gig because the bride called my work sepia, which isn't by a long shot.
So yeah, this kind of ignorance in the general public affects photographers like me.
Why not elaborate on the photos you decided to use for your cover photo of this video? The actual photos that the bride had issues with.
Stop having trendy editing styles 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Yep! I'm a fan of trying to keep the colors fairly natural.
Or just....you know.... book of photographer whose style matches your own. Instead of complaining about it afterward......
I may not fully back the bride, but looking at that photographer insta, she comes accross as someome who never had their work critiqued and her photos are definitely not worth the prices she charges. Inflated ego much? Her color grading is amateurish and really outdated.
I'm not sure I would say everything you said, however, some of the edits do seem a little rough around the edges. Not to say my edits are perfect by any means but some of the photos the bride showed seemed like the shadows were way too heavy and you could have easily lightened that up.
I may be harsh, but she charges quite a fee for what looks like mediocre quality. Overblown ocean, murky shadows..she lacks finesse and if it true, her attitude is also bad.
If I sense the bride is tiktoker or youtuber I always find a good excuse for not taking the asignment.
Interesting. I never even thought of that, but it makes a lot of sense.
First! 🙃😅😂
Thanks for watching!
Using Sepia in this day and age is the most stupid thing to do. Why would you do a Sepia to a YOUNG COUPLE? These are the kids who grew up in the internet age, of rich colors, cellphones, tiktoks and Instagram, etc
It’s not a true sepia just a very orange/warm tones type of edit that’s reminiscent of sepia.
It is literally the most amateurish looking color grading one can do.
Every photographer in my area does this. They’re all females. And they’re getting booked into 2026. Their clients prefer blown out skies and sepia tones, rather than some nice cinematic off camera flash where YOU as the photographer controls the environment. Photography is 90% business and marketing, and 10% talent and skills. 🤣💁🏽♂️
I'm not a fan of the orange look but I also wouldn't say that knowing how to work with your environment and pivot when the light changes equals a lack of skill. I personally don't like the clinical (imo) look of flash and prefer a more "imperfect," nostalgic feel (not that there isn't a place for flash occasionally). Maybe these women are more skilled than you give them credit for? I'm actually not sure why you felt the need to mention that they're women. As a female photographer, I deal with lots of male photographers that seem to be personally insulted that I learned photography from photographing my young children and then took it further into the business realm (and no, I don't charge ridiculously low prices). There's no reason for this path to be less "worthy" than a path more common to male photographers. Anyway, maybe you're not one of these male photographers, but you sure sound like it when you gripe about how these women are booking more than you with your big flash and suggesting that they have more business sense than skill. If your work is good you don't need to be afraid of the women with their cameras.
@@cahleena Hey! ☺️ Dang I must’ve struck a nerve with my comment lol 😆 But I don’t mean it like that! I shoot natural light as well, but all I’m saying is in my area, I’m one of the only male photographers. And I’m definitely not insulted. I’m rooting for everyone at the end of the day! Everyone has their style. Consistency is key! I just like flash, and if the situation allows it, I’m using off camera flash most of the time. I like doing most of the work in camera, rather than recovering highlights and shadows in post. But hey that’s awesome! I looked at your IG and I love the storytelling! I’ll give you a follow! 🤗 And hey I apologize if I offended you (as a woman)! I’m not one of those egomaniac photographers! 😅
@@siryssphotography Hi there! First of all, I have no idea how to figure out if someone replies to a comment I left on CZcams, but I just saw your IG follow and though "Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't have been so hard on the guy first thing in the morning before I had my coffee." 😄You did strike a nerve but only because the way your comment was worded reminded me of a general feeling of being looked down upon by male photographers. I don't personally do mini sessions in the park but I feel protective of women who do them and don't like it when male photographers make comments about the stay-at-home mom with a Rebel taking away their business, as if they were less legitimate than other photographers. I think I put you into that camp without really knowing you and I'm sorry! I'm looking forward to checking out your IG and giving you a follow back. ☺☺