Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . :)
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 :)
2 Esdras, 2 Baruch, 1 Enoch, Testament of the 12- 4 works that comprehensively explain God's entire plan. Daniel does this in a very similar way- using the parabolic dream/vision of the statue and the stone.
Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . :)
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 :)
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 . :)
Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . .
Hey Paul, I am offering you a discussion on this topic with Steve. There are a lot of things Steve brought up without citing his sources. In case you are interested and Steve is open to it, then I would love to discuss this.
I can’t speak for Paul, and I would love to have a discussion with you David, however just in your post, you made false accusations, like me not using sources, just as you have done with me in the past. Before having an interaction with protestants, maybe you should interact with your fellow Catholics, like Michael Lofton and Trent Horn on issues like THEM stating that the council of Trent left the canon open to potentially add more books, which you have stated Trent never claimed this in the Acta. Have you directly approached them already, or at least left comments to them in the comment sections of their videos? Or do you only do that with protestants? Perhaps you need to first clean up your own house, before entering others.
@@BornAgainRN g'day Dave, was gonna reply but then saw Steve's just now. I was mostly just interested in what Steve had to say so I probably wont host another discussion, but Id be keen to see what you two will discuss wherever you do it :)
From the live chat: "Dávid Száraz Beckwith page 100 says: "For the part of the history covered by the Book of Ezra, Josephus, in his Antiquities, almost invariably follows 1 Esdras instead." You just proved my point in the discussion. In the early church era, "1 Esdras" was recognized as this third century B.C. writing. So, when we get to Hippo & Carthage, the "2 book of Esdras" refers to "1 Esdras" & "2 Esdras = Ezra-Nehemiah." Many ECFs actually preferred 1 Esdras over Ezra, and this is all Beckwith is saying about Josephus. Sure, Josephus was a Jew, not a Christian. But his USE of 1 Esdras is separate from what he reported the Jews of antiquity recognized as canonical Scripture, which was Ezra-Nehemiah, not 1 Esdras.
@@BornAgainRN So why don´t you actually want to dialogue with me? I am not talking to Lofton and others. I am talking to you Steve, why bringing up others? If you are convinced with what you say, why you have a problem having a dialogue with me? Well then feel free to prove me wrong regarding the "false accusations" not citing your sources. Show me where is the evidence that Jerome included 1 Esdras in an appendix in his Vulgate. I am all ears. Show me from Jerome that he did this in his Vulgate. Or if you want you can cite any scholar who agrees with you. But you see, this is why it is good to have a dialogue, you can prove me wrong. So why not Steve? You don´t want to prove me wrong or what is the problem? So why did not Josephus use Ezra instead of 1 Esdras? The two are not the same right? So if Josephus says in his prologue to his Antiquities that he is going to use the "sacred scriptures" for his Antiquities, why using 1 Esdras? You: "But his USE of 1 Esdras is separate from what he reported the Jews of antiquity recognized as canonical Scripture, which was Ezra-Nehemiah, not 1 Esdras." Now you are actually begging the question. So why he did not use the canonical Ezra, especially when 1 Esdras and Ezra record different historical data? C'mon Steve, you are the man, you are the top protestant expert on the canon and Esdras. You should be happy to prove me wrong. And by the way, in your debate with Trent, you read your paper in your opening statement, when you said Florence rejected Esdras. It wasn't that you just simply might have said something else. And at the same time you brought up the New Catholic Encyclopedia, just as now and now you claim the opposite. Yet you have no other source to substantiate your claim. Or do you? What is your "fresh research" on this topic?
@@davidszaraz4605you just demonstrated that a debate with you would not be fruitful, because you are asking the SAME question about my debate with Trent from 3 years ago that you asked me in this video, which I answered. Yet, you repeated the question…again. This is another reason I have no desire to debate you, because you are either not listening or not understanding. And I don’t have a desire to repeat myself. If you don’t remember my answer, then go back to the Q&A session of this video where you ask me and I answer you.
Interesting discussion, thank you. I replied on Twitter/X regarding my objections. God bless.
Excellent discussion
Good video! This is Steves wheel house
Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee.
In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased.
But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help.
This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit.
This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.".
.
:)
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
:)
2 Esdras, 2 Baruch, 1 Enoch, Testament of the 12- 4 works that comprehensively explain God's entire plan. Daniel does this in a very similar way- using the parabolic dream/vision of the statue and the stone.
Okay Christie, still haven’t answered my Apodeicticly certain argument 🦾🦾🦾
Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee.
In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased.
But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help.
This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit.
This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.".
.
:)
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
:)
😂
1 (3)Esdras is from another hebrew text tradition/version besides MT, just like DSS Psalm and MT Psalm.
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
.
:)
Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee.
In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased.
But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help.
This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit.
This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.".
.
.
Hey Paul, I am offering you a discussion on this topic with Steve. There are a lot of things Steve brought up without citing his sources. In case you are interested and Steve is open to it, then I would love to discuss this.
I can’t speak for Paul, and I would love to have a discussion with you David, however just in your post, you made false accusations, like me not using sources, just as you have done with me in the past. Before having an interaction with protestants, maybe you should interact with your fellow Catholics, like Michael Lofton and Trent Horn on issues like THEM stating that the council of Trent left the canon open to potentially add more books, which you have stated Trent never claimed this in the Acta. Have you directly approached them already, or at least left comments to them in the comment sections of their videos? Or do you only do that with protestants? Perhaps you need to first clean up your own house, before entering others.
@@BornAgainRN g'day Dave, was gonna reply but then saw Steve's just now. I was mostly just interested in what Steve had to say so I probably wont host another discussion, but Id be keen to see what you two will discuss wherever you do it :)
From the live chat: "Dávid Száraz Beckwith page 100 says: "For the part of the history covered by the Book of Ezra, Josephus, in his Antiquities, almost invariably follows 1 Esdras instead." You just proved my point in the discussion. In the early church era, "1 Esdras" was recognized as this third century B.C. writing. So, when we get to Hippo & Carthage, the "2 book of Esdras" refers to "1 Esdras" & "2 Esdras = Ezra-Nehemiah." Many ECFs actually preferred 1 Esdras over Ezra, and this is all Beckwith is saying about Josephus. Sure, Josephus was a Jew, not a Christian. But his USE of 1 Esdras is separate from what he reported the Jews of antiquity recognized as canonical Scripture, which was Ezra-Nehemiah, not 1 Esdras.
@@BornAgainRN
So why don´t you actually want to dialogue with me? I am not talking to Lofton and others. I am talking to you Steve, why bringing up others? If you are convinced with what you say, why you have a problem having a dialogue with me?
Well then feel free to prove me wrong regarding the "false accusations" not citing your sources. Show me where is the evidence that Jerome included 1 Esdras in an appendix in his Vulgate. I am all ears. Show me from Jerome that he did this in his Vulgate. Or if you want you can cite any scholar who agrees with you. But you see, this is why it is good to have a dialogue, you can prove me wrong. So why not Steve? You don´t want to prove me wrong or what is the problem?
So why did not Josephus use Ezra instead of 1 Esdras? The two are not the same right? So if Josephus says in his prologue to his Antiquities that he is going to use the "sacred scriptures" for his Antiquities, why using 1 Esdras?
You: "But his USE of 1 Esdras is separate from what he reported the Jews of antiquity recognized as canonical Scripture, which was Ezra-Nehemiah, not 1 Esdras."
Now you are actually begging the question. So why he did not use the canonical Ezra, especially when 1 Esdras and Ezra record different historical data?
C'mon Steve, you are the man, you are the top protestant expert on the canon and Esdras. You should be happy to prove me wrong.
And by the way, in your debate with Trent, you read your paper in your opening statement, when you said Florence rejected Esdras. It wasn't that you just simply might have said something else. And at the same time you brought up the New Catholic Encyclopedia, just as now and now you claim the opposite. Yet you have no other source to substantiate your claim. Or do you? What is your "fresh research" on this topic?
@@davidszaraz4605you just demonstrated that a debate with you would not be fruitful, because you are asking the SAME question about my debate with Trent from 3 years ago that you asked me in this video, which I answered. Yet, you repeated the question…again. This is another reason I have no desire to debate you, because you are either not listening or not understanding. And I don’t have a desire to repeat myself. If you don’t remember my answer, then go back to the Q&A session of this video where you ask me and I answer you.