I hear both Fender sets as slightly brighter than the Creamery. The vintage seems a touch fuller without losing any clarity than the modern - maybe some more girth in the lower mids? I’d vote vintage, modern, Creamery, but no bad pickups here clearly.
Amazing how close The Creamery got the tone to the originals with a completely different magnet composition. This is the best demo of those pickups anywhere on the interwebs, thank you. Now I can’t wait to stuff these into my Squire CV Thinline!
That's exactly what I heard, the Creamery and the original (Vintage) were so similar. The Modern was a bit warmer and less chime; still nice, but different.
Strange, completely different from what I heard...to me, Creamery's were more muddy and dark sounding than both Fenders, and the Fender modern Cunife's were more articulate, more chimey than the vintage.🧐
They're pretty good, right? Maybe a bit fatter and blooming in the mids, and not quite as sharp and ringing with the upper harmonics.IMO, the main solid quality of any humbucker is when they are percussive in attack; a little too much output, a little too hot, and they lose that quality. Almost never use humbuckers, but/so I'm excited to see these back a viable option.
Actually I was telling my best mate who is a brit living in Texas (😬) that I really enjoy your channel. Besides the great guitars and tones you get, your playing is fantastic! So cheers!
Great demo! I think the only difference i was hearing in the tones between the tele and the strat was the difference between the tele and the strat - so Fender did a great job recreating these. Thanks the the demo. I want to put these into my reissue Starcaster as soon as they are back in stock.
Yeah they’re really nice pick ups. I actually now have two sets of the new CuNife pick ups. I have them in the strat and a more modern tele deluxe. Might put a quick demo of the two tele’s to rule out any strat influence 🤔
@@LordFuzzman no matter what guitar they are in they are loads better than the stock reissue WR that have been created by Fender over the years. Do you have any experience with the MojoTone '72 Clones - I don't, but I imagine they are similar to the Lollar Regals or the Creamery pickups you demo'd here.
@@MichaelTerry48 The bridge system makes a very noticeable difference. With a Strat the strings are suspended against a block of metal being kept in place by a set of springs. It definitely changes the character. A hardtail Strat would be closer to a tele, but even there the tele bridge is different in construction and the way it (and the strings) are attached.
I was literally Googling reviews on the new Fender CuNiFe pickups half an hour ago and then saw this video uploaded...amazing! Thanks for the comparisons, the new pickups sound great! Fender if you're reading, please make a new reissue Jazzblaster with these...pretty please :)
@@Labyrinth1010 No a Jazzblaster is the name of a custom mod of installing wide range humbuckers in a Jazzmaster, made famous by Lee Ranaldo of Sonic youth. I think Sarah is saying they should make one with these new pick ups! 👌
@@LordFuzzman oh I’m quite familiar with the term! I love Lee :) Unless I’m mistaken though, reissue means to rerelease something again. Either way, great video! Love your playing. I was hoping for some final thoughts! Guess you wanted to leave it up to us to decide.
@@Labyrinth1010 ah got ya! 😉 Yeah I was gonna say something but I didn’t want to influence anyone’s opinion. To be honest all three sets are superb. I’d be happy with any of them but there subtle differences you can hear.
Phenomenal note separation on the moderns- my decision is made. Fender clearly took this remake seriously and (to my ears) may have slightly improved upon these legendary beasts. Thanks for the perfect demo. 😎
@@najmihakimkhairi1210 I did ask Tim Shaw at Fender who is behind these new ones if they were a limited edition. He said no but I suspect you will be right 👍🏻
Thanks so much for this and your previous video about the boutique reproductions. You are the only one to do such an exhaustive comparison! The three are so close it's a distinction without a difference imo. Very impressed with each!
All three sound great. I am certain that a significant contributor to the sonic variance the fact the pick ups are mounted in significantly different guitars.
You would think so wouldn’t you? however I later put a set of the new CuNife Pick ups in a tele deluxe and compared them to the strat. Side by side through an amp they both sounded practically identical. I do understand for a direct audio comparison it’s best to hear them in the same guitar but I wanted to get something out quick as this was the first video featuring the new pickups 👍🏻
@@LordFuzzman I'm sure the Jaguar is very different from the other two though. Without even looking at the screen I could immediately tell which one was the Jag. The Jag trem adds a distinct sound.
Very cool demos of these pickups, they all sound amazing! I'm still learning guitar and I recently purchased a Squier tele deluxe with alnico pickups, I'm sure those aren't as good but this video is inspiring
Thanks for the great comparison and sorry for the long reply! An FYI for those considering buying vintage PUPs on Reverb: I have an all original 78 deluxe and a 73 Custom that some previous owner had put an old Duncan in the bridge and a super distortion in the neck. Played a bunch of vintage Fender, Nash, and partscaster guitars while deciding which pickup to put in the neck and noticed that the WRHBs varied as much if not more than old PAFs. Decided on a Regal because I figured at least I knew what I was getting. Sounds fine, as does the Creamery version. In 2021 I'd actually go with the Vintera which are half the price of the CuNiFe and boutique, and sound very similar to both (see the many shootouts on CZcams). Lord Fuzzman's originals sound great but your mileage WILL vary.
Thank you so much for uploading a video about the new CuNiFes and recording it well; I've been waiting for someone to get their hands on them to see how good a job Fender has done recreating them. All three sound great, I think a lot of the differences you hear might also be from each guitar's construction and not just the pickups. Thanks for pointing out that all guitars are using similar pots and caps too! (Y) I'd love to get some WRHBs in a guitar at some point but the thought of having to route a body terrifies me D:
The vintage fender is my fave.. the Fenders are SIMILAR but not indistinguishable. The Ceamery is definitely my least favourite... the more gain you add the easier they are to tell apart, which surprised me... great demo. Thanks!
hey, thanks for this demo... yes, they do sound different, but they all sound great on their own.. most people won't notice any difference in a mix... my personal favorite was the Fender modern...gotta build me a Strat with a set of those.
Modern and Vintage sound very very close. I would give Vintage the slight edge for bolder mid-lows. Creamery didn't really sound as good as either CuNiFe in this context but sound like good pickups on their own.
Great Video!!! Thanks!! The only thing I can say is that a strat bridge make the new fender cunife pickup sound kinda“thinner” due to the string vibration transfer (I have a hardtail strat and a 6 screw bridge and they are way different) I would love to hear a comparison on hard tail bridges. But in this video you can hear the highs chime that is the tonal print of a wide range Humbucker. Think fender nailed it!! Thanks man!!!
I love the upper mid sizzle of the fenders, of course, but I would not be unhappy with the creamery pickups. They all sound fantastic. Thank you for demonstrating them through 1K pots as they should be!
Good comparison, especially the consistent pots across all. It would be interesting to hear the Fender conventional-HB "WRHB" reissues too. There has been some recent evidence that while those often come with 250k pots (!), when you match pot values to those common for CuNiFe WRHBs (1meg or 500k), the sonic differences are less than expected.
Modern Fender sounds best to me - richer and less harsh. Of course, we've got a tone control on our guitars and amps, so probably just a case of using it to find the sound you like whatever wide-range pick up you choose.
"Play For Today" sounded absolutely incredibly on both these CuNiFe pickups. They did a fantastic job with the modern versions, I can't tell the difference!
The Vintage definitely sound better to my ear. I have a Memphis Les Paul and I might put some of these in it over making it a Gibson replica. When I bought it someone had changed the Pickups to single coils of some kind but I think I want it with dual humbuckers instead. Thanks for the video!
Really nice demo - appreciate the style of the playing and tones shone. For playing across three guitars - very consistent playing. So many times with effects and amp demo shootouts - it's just loop the guitar part so it's consistent! =) This is top notch as as the all black color schemes!
Great comparison! The Creamery and the original (Vintage) were so similar. The Modern was a bit warmer and less chime; still nice, but different. Good choice of tunes. Thanks!
I've had a thinline with the "bad" WRHB since they were first reissued. as soon as i saw the cunife, i jumped on the neck pickup then i heard your distortion demo on the bridge... that cost me another $200 haha. killer tones from that peavey bandit!!
Your vintage set sounds pretty close to the 2020 reissues, maybe a bit lower midrange and less bright. I just compared the new fender Cunife 2020s with my 75 Tele Deluxe pu’s. My originals are quite different. Much more gain, less bright, and more lower mids. To my ears the modern fender Cunifes capture more of a single coil tone, whereas my originals sound closer to humbuckers. This fits what I have heard. The originals varied quite a bit from pu to pu.
I have 3 thinlines I put together from parts and used original WRHB....even they have noticeable differences between them......but this is a great comparison and the differences are so subtle... there might my a slight harmonic richness, that the originals have, when played clean, but they all sound fantastic.....
The owner of the Creamery says it wasn't the metals making up the magnets but more being able to thread the magnetized pole screws that provided the magic. I have a set and love them.
Just ordered the limited Fender Japan 60s HH Jazzmaster with Cunifes and block inlays... Won't arrive till June but can't wait. Was just about to order a set of the pickups to put in a Strat when it was announced so perfect timing. The Strat is now getting a pair of vintage Hofner blades instead.
It finally arrived. Closest comparison to the pickups from my existing guitars is the one with Hofner 513 blades - but with much lower output so they don't distort the amp as soon as you turn them up to 10. But that kind of hi-fi clarity and lushness.
I know they're not the same as the originals, but I really love the WR's in my Classic Vibe Starcaster. I'm mostly a single coil guy and the WR's are the ones that best fit my rig without me having to alter all of my amp/pedal settings.
I've got some new Fender CuNiFe on the way. I'm going to put those in my Starcaster and maybe put the Squiers in another guitar. The CuNiFe just seem too good to pass up.
Great comparison, they all sounded fantastic. The new Fender ones capture the originals well and Creamery have done a great job in replicating them as well. As always, love your vids for your playing and diversity of song choice
Be interesting what Lord Fuzzman thinks because he is hearing the guitars directly and we hear it only through CZcams's audio format. But putting that detail aside, I think I like the original Fender CuNiFe pickup the best but Fender's new recreation of the CuNiFe is almost identical.
I would like to hear the dirt through a tube amp for the natural breakup. I liked the vintage best then creamery, and modern. The vintage Thinline I has some hot pickups. Hotter than my LP and a CE PRS I tested.
A strat with a tremolo (and springs), a tele, and a jazzmaster? Apples, oranges, and grapefruits. Way too many variables here to attribute everything to the pickups. But a good effort. Makes me wish I hadn't sold my old Peavey Bandit - what an under-rated solid state amp. Old Bandits kick ass.
Yeah all very slight variables I do agree. Best I could do at the time though. This was the first vid of Fenders new pick ups so wanted to get something out there pronto. If you see one of my other videos I did get another tele with modern CuNiFe pick ups. It actually sounded identical to the strat side by side with the same pick ups but I didn’t bother doing another comparison video. I have 3 x bandits plus a load of other amps.. always go back to the bandit though. 👌 Thanks for watching.
I bought a new 1976 Tele Deluxe back in the day and think it is great. It was not loved by particularly the "purists" back then. Over time it has become more appreciated. My ear lends to the vintage but like a lot of pups there are even variations between them. The Creamery sounded closer and despite the moderns often getting derided over the years they were not bad sounding in any way, just not quite the same tone as the other 2. Over the years as I came upon info on the originals I read that the CuNiFe needs to be Re-magnetized to bring back to the like new specs. Any info concerning that idea? Lollar makes some sweet ones as well..the regal or some such............... P.S. I like the Vintage Distortion the best here. I have been advised that I am a bit distorted myself. Cheers!
They all have their slight tonal differences but obviously the fender version is the closest to original. Best sounding humbucker imo. Also, not usually a strat guy but DAYUM is that sexy
@@keatonlusk3693 they go by a few names. They are made in China. I’ve seen them called witch hat. UFO .. a lot of pedal and amp manufactures have started using them. I got mine from eBay.
O Lord Fuzzman- I am reconfiguring a ~2009 Mexican tele deluxe to play doom/stoner metal in C/B standard tuning. I was planning to get some sort of fancy wiring harness and new pickups among other things, out of any wide range pickup option you’ve tried what would you recommend for a project like that?
This is really great work but the JM sounds a lot diff than the other two guitars - all those ringing harmonics. You could argue the strat and Tele are pretty different sounding too, given the pickup placement / positions in context of the overall scale. Last, are pot values the same across all guitars?
Yeah I agree, it’s not an identical comparison obviously with different guitars but yea all the pots and caps are the same value on all three. 👍🏻 Thanks
From Leo: I know that the definition of great sound is subjective, but I actually like the sound of the new style wide range pickups better than the originals with the CuNiFe magnets.
I would like to see a comparison of the new Fender CuNiFe v. Fender fake Wide Range pickups, please. They sound good, but how much of an improvement are they? Also, Tele v. Tele - the body makes a difference. This would really help. Thanks.
Yes, the pickups in the Fender American Professional II Tele Deluxe are not cunife, but they sound pretty darn good to my ear. I'd like to hear a side by side with the real thing.
I’m curious as well. I have a Fender Vintera 70s Telecaster Custom and it’s not running the CuNiFe but instead the fakery lol. I’m thinking about purchasing the CuNiFe and installing it. Just not sure how much difference it will be.
@@drothberg3 they are using the new CuNiFe in the Fender American Original 70S Telecaster Custom and it’s actually supposed to be CuNiFe and not the cheap alternative used in the MIM ones. The Fender American Professional ll Tele Deluxe is not a 70s model so no CuNiFe for it.
Finally got round to having the Fender reissue CuNiFe pickups installed (neck & bridge, as it’s a Telecaster Deluxe) and oh, my, what an improvement. They’re much brighter, crisper, and noticeably louder. New 500k’s all around, with Linear tone pots and Logarithmic volumes. Much better sweep throughout the tonality now. No more mud. Yeah. Very, very happy.
Great comparison, but this video has got me suddenly wanting a Jazzmaster. In that configuration it's basically an Offset Tele Deluxe with a funky tailpiece. Can I ask what that one actually is? By the flamey headstock I'm guessing Custom Shop?
That was a tasty demo, being from the states I have never heard of the Creamery before, I have to say the name matches the tone. I also am I hearing the Damned around 5:52 ? If so, then hats off to you Lord Fuzzman
Thanks . I do love the Damned. My old bass player went on to play for them after Patricia Morrison left, but no that song is ‘Play for Today’ by The Cure.
So-maybe a dumb question: I got one of the new 70’s Custom Teles with the Lover CuNiFe humbuckers; and it’s surprisingly hot. All the setting my tech could do still didn’t reduce the hum-which is (also surprisingly) a lot louder than the bridge pickup; and a lot louder than both SC pickups on my Tele Special Edition. Same amp; same cable run, same board, same everything. The tech looked at the solder joints and everything, but didn’t know what the deal was. Any thoughts? And, what might you replace it with if you mainly played generally clean, though with moderate overdrive and/or chorus effects sometimes.
Thanks for posting, your videos are super helpful. The original WRHB is my all -time favorite pickup. Thinking of making a Strat blaster sort of thing like yours with the new CuNiFe WRHB. Quick q, looks like you have a Mexican Standard Strat with vintage tuners? I think this comes with a H-S-H routing in the body. Did you have to do any additional routing to get it to fit or is it just a case of getting a pickguard that accommodates the spacing and drop 'em in? Thanks!
Thanks Andrew, yes it’s a Mexican standard with vintage tuners 👍🏻 there was a bit of routing involved. Find me on Instagram and send me a DM. I’ll see if I can dig out some pics to show you. Can assist with the pickguard too.
Well Fuzzman, I'd say that there's pretty much no doubt the originals were clearly the best. And that sucks 'cause my main guitar through the 1980's was the tele deluxe... (my second was a 58 strat...) and I basically played it to death. Now had I known that the CuNiFe wide range humbuckers would become unavailable, I'da kept the pick ups. But... I was playin' punk rock, doin' punk rock van tours, drinkin too much and doing too much.... well... you know. What I wasn't doing was thinking about later. Now, I'm pretty much resigned to never hearing that sound again, unless I luck into another '72.
@@LordFuzzman I have the MIM WRHBs laying around at home for ages right now. I plan to build a Sonic Youth Jazzblaster with them. But I want to mod them with a different wire to make em splittable. But this isn't possible with the CuNiFes I think. Plus, I would like to know how much better the CuNiFes are. I have heared the MIMs sound very similar but different in a weird way, or something like this. If this makes sense. 😅
They're all great. Where I thought the moderns fell off was the middle setting distortion. In the other sections it was a little warmer and less harsh, and I was anticipating how that would sound with distortion. The Creamery and Vintage sounded like I expected -- sounded great but my ears would get sore from too much of that. The moderns didn't have the harsh edge, but IMO didn't have the girth either. Very interesting. I'm still eyeballing getting a set for a 2019 Starcaster (which I love everything about but the alnico WRHBs).
@@Reklaw_ll 2019 Classic Vibe, the non-burst brown one. It's the first semi-hollow I've owned. I like it a lot as far as playability goes. It sounds like a semi-hollow. The pickups aren't bad by any stretch, but if there was something i'd want to change, that would be it.
Hey, Ho, Lord Fuzzman - Very cool video; I've been thinking about a neck CuNiFe wide range P/U for my 'tele. Quick question - which version of the PV Bandit do you rock with - Teal Stripe, Silver Stripe, Red Stripe or? Thanks, Mike from Sooke, BC, CAN
Hey, so I use the red stripe with an upgraded speaker celestial vintage 30. I actually had three of these amps in a stack but slimmed it down to two now 😆
......and the reason Telenator was not included in the shootout is?....... I realize they're no longer in business but, they were the only company to produce exact CuNiFe repros of the original WRHB and were among the very first to start a major come back of these great pickups. I'm sure they would have sent you a set for comparison if only for the historic contribution made to the revival of the WRHB.
I’ve modded dozens of Jazzmasters for WRHB. The only models you can buy are Fender Custom shop which are very expensive or recently a Japanese Ltd edition version which sold out straight away.
I read somewhere tonight that the original tele customs had 1 Meg pots in them like the jazzmaster. My partscaster has creamery wide range humbuckers in it with 500 k pots. I’m thinking of changing the pots to 1 meg and adding a Jaguar middle pickup. Do you have any experience with the 1 meg pot value and these pick ups? Edit: wow I missed you saying that all the demos are with 1 meg pots.
those Creamery WRHBs sound so close, are they the ones you sent to be redone or off-the--shelf Creamery ? just wondering if they used your CuNiFe poles etc ? i'm narrowing down which WRHBs to put in a JM thinline project
Awesome, well what an amazing job they've done, considering Creamery, vintage and modern Fender all pretty much sound the same, and I played it back quite a few times - I'm glad to discover the Creamery is a good bit cheaper for a set. The other brands in your other vid were noticeably different, good score ! Thanks for this, great comparison vid all round :)
Great video and you excellent choice of riffs! Where did you get your 1 meg pots and 0.22 caps from? Also, I found the Fender Cunife Modern Reissue humbuckers to sound a tiny bit bright for my tastes, do you think getting 500k pots or a capacitor of a different value would help tame the highs a bit more? Or would that butcher the tone in more ways than I can imagine?
Thanks buddy, I have a guy who puts together wiring harness for me, not sure where he sources the parts from. I spoke to Tim Shaw at Fender who is the man responsible for bringing these pick ups back. He has gone with 500k on all the new tele’s featuring these pick ups and believes that is the correct pot. He states that they only used 1 meg on the originals as they had an abundance of them at the time.I decided on 1meg for a direct comparison. I think the new ones are bright but then you could easily e.q this to compensate or roll back on the tone if you wanted.
Hi, I am not sure that I can tell over the internet how close they are in real life. What I did was listen with over ear headphones. I focused on the cleans. I stopped to check a few times when I heard something that spoke to me. I was looking to get the new CuNiFe from Fender as it's more convenient and price friendly. How good are the new Fender CuNiFe? I've listened to a lot of Guitar for the Day which have featured the original pick ups. I am hoping that Fender have nailed it? What are your thoughts? Useful demo and great guitars.
Thank you. I am really impressed with the new pick ups. They have really good clarity and string definition just like the originals. The new ones I have sound a little brighter and not quite as warm as the vintage ones. That could be age or just the character of that particular pick up. They’ve done a great job and I’d recommend them 👍🏻
@@LordFuzzman Many thanks for the feedback. I am going to get the new American Original 70s Telecaster Deluxe when it gets released in the future. The Custom is already here. I now have an NOS original that I am thinking about fitting to a Telecaster. I would assume I require stacked pots 1 meg for the WHRB in the neck? Anything I will need to be aware of?
@@753Jackson The American original come with 500k pots. I spoke directly with Tim Shaw at Fender who headed the project to make the new CuNife pick ups. He states that they simply used 1 meg pots in the 70s because that’s what they had in bulk at the time, he believes 500k is fine. Not sure how much difference there would be. Other than that go for it 👍🏻
@@LordFuzzman Thanks for this I'll see what I can get hold of. Luckily I am not buying in bulk it will be a lot easier for me. I read a piece by Telenator on TDPRI he says the bridge pickups optimum set up is 3/16" further away from the bridge. That's 3/16 further away from the bridge than it is now on an original Deluxe. When Fender release a Fender Original American Telecaster Deluxe I'll get one of those. Surely that's on the cards?
@@LordFuzzman The new American Original 70s Telecaster custom comes with 1 meg pots for the wide range pickup and 250 k for the single coil bridge. I can verify this because I own one and opened it up when I first bought. Overall I really enjoyed your video.
Unfortunately if you open them up you find they’re not wide range humbuckers :/ The 70s ones have magnetic pole pieces. These are just standard humbuckers with magnetic plates beneath the poles. Covered up by a wide range pickup cover.
The vintage has a kind of hollow scooped quality, the Creamery is round and full, the CuNiFe reissue sounds like a polite version of the Creamery WR. Wood makes also a bit difference so.. all are in the same balpark, vintage has the most character, for better or worse. My 2012 AVRI has the re-designed WR's, they seem now very obscure, no one ever mention them.
Thanks...Yeah they approached a small magnet factory and invested a shit load of money into it. They reverse engineered the exact make up of the original magnets etc. I interviewed Tim Shaw at Fender prior to making the video. 👍🏻
@@LordFuzzman yeah I've seen that video too sir. I have a set of cats in my reissue starcaster, I have a, review of them on my channel. Always wondered how close they are to the OG's. Would be cool if you did a full comparison of the fenders to all those others. A lot of work though I know. :-)
@@LordFuzzmanMa lord. I just picked up a vintage 73 telecaster deluxe, I'm in love with the original pickups. I have to say though, I compared it to my cats whiskers in my starcaster and they are a pretty damn good alternative if you don't want to pay vintage money. They done a pretty good approximating the sound.
Great video and review, just bought the fender Cunife WRHB , i think I’ve went for the les Paul 50s wiring that the Emerson custom had, my question is there’s any difference between those 2 wirings the original deluxe 72 and the les Paul 50s wiring?? If yes whats the difference?
Thanks buddy, I haven’t really explored the Les Paul 50s wiring: but the main difference as I understand it is which lug on the tone pot gets wired up, this apparently makes a slight difference in tonality. Might be a good experiment one day 👌
@@LordFuzzman Thanks for the quick reply ;) , humm interesting, I'm having fun and liking it with the 50's wiring, although I'm feeling that my tone pots are cutting only at around 8 or 10 below the tone pot doesnt do nothing or almost nothing, do you fell the same on your modern cunife fenders? I have 1 M pots on volume and tone, could that be it???
@@RodrigoRodrigues-wy6td hmm sounds a little strange. I have a set of new CuNife pickups on 1meg pots and another on 500k. Both tone pots seem to work through the full range on mine.
@@LordFuzzman I think it’s working ok, I can hear it cut the high spectrum slowly, the low pass filter it’s starting really high probably, I’m now balancing the height of the pick ups and feeling difference on the tone pot, thanks
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You’ve saved me a job.. I was gonna do that tomorrow 👍🏻 Thank you
@@LordFuzzman haha no worries
I hear both Fender sets as slightly brighter than the Creamery. The vintage seems a touch fuller without losing any clarity than the modern - maybe some more girth in the lower mids? I’d vote vintage, modern, Creamery, but no bad pickups here clearly.
I think Lord Fuzzman likes black Fenders.
Deffo 😝
Any demo that starts with "You Made Me Realise" is bound to be interesting...
Amazing how close The Creamery got the tone to the originals with a completely different magnet composition. This is the best demo of those pickups anywhere on the interwebs, thank you. Now I can’t wait to stuff these into my Squire CV Thinline!
Thanks for the kind words 🙏🏻
That's exactly what I heard, the Creamery and the original (Vintage) were so similar. The Modern was a bit warmer and less chime; still nice, but different.
Strange, completely different from what I heard...to me, Creamery's were more muddy and dark sounding than both Fenders, and the Fender modern Cunife's were more articulate, more chimey than the vintage.🧐
@@Birchblaze You are right and the others are wrong.
They're pretty good, right? Maybe a bit fatter and blooming in the mids, and not quite as sharp and ringing with the upper harmonics.IMO, the main solid quality of any humbucker is when they are percussive in attack; a little too much output, a little too hot, and they lose that quality.
Almost never use humbuckers, but/so I'm excited to see these back a viable option.
Love that you played the Cure!! I’ve often felt Robert Smith was so underrated as a guitarist.
Totally agree, he doesn’t get the credit he deserves especially for the earlier songs. Have you seen my Robert Smith Jazzmaster video 👍🏻
@@LordFuzzman yes the one with the buzz stop? Yes it’s quite immense!
Actually I was telling my best mate who is a brit living in Texas (😬) that I really enjoy your channel. Besides the great guitars and tones you get, your playing is fantastic! So cheers!
@@RussArteaga - that’s very kind, thanks buddy. 👌
My ranking is not what I expected.
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I expected to put the vintage on top... but loving the modern cunife
Great demo! I think the only difference i was hearing in the tones between the tele and the strat was the difference between the tele and the strat - so Fender did a great job recreating these. Thanks the the demo. I want to put these into my reissue Starcaster as soon as they are back in stock.
Yeah they’re really nice pick ups. I actually now have two sets of the new CuNife pick ups. I have them in the strat and a more modern tele deluxe. Might put a quick demo of the two tele’s to rule out any strat influence 🤔
@@LordFuzzman no matter what guitar they are in they are loads better than the stock reissue WR that have been created by Fender over the years. Do you have any experience with the MojoTone '72 Clones - I don't, but I imagine they are similar to the Lollar Regals or the Creamery pickups you demo'd here.
@@natekey no I haven’t played the mojotone pick ups. I do have another video showing different brands of WRHB. Mojo U.K. are very good.
What's the sound difference between strat and tele if they have the same scale length, pickups, and materials?
@@MichaelTerry48 The bridge system makes a very noticeable difference. With a Strat the strings are suspended against a block of metal being kept in place by a set of springs. It definitely changes the character. A hardtail Strat would be closer to a tele, but even there the tele bridge is different in construction and the way it (and the strings) are attached.
I was literally Googling reviews on the new Fender CuNiFe pickups half an hour ago and then saw this video uploaded...amazing! Thanks for the comparisons, the new pickups sound great! Fender if you're reading, please make a new reissue Jazzblaster with these...pretty please :)
That’d sell a truck load I’m sure 👌
Wait, Fender made a Jazzblaster??
@@Labyrinth1010 No a Jazzblaster is the name of a custom mod of installing wide range humbuckers in a Jazzmaster, made famous by Lee Ranaldo of Sonic youth. I think Sarah is saying they should make one with these new pick ups! 👌
@@LordFuzzman oh I’m quite familiar with the term! I love Lee :) Unless I’m mistaken though, reissue means to rerelease something again.
Either way, great video! Love your playing. I was hoping for some final thoughts! Guess you wanted to leave it up to us to decide.
@@Labyrinth1010 ah got ya! 😉 Yeah I was gonna say something but I didn’t want to influence anyone’s opinion. To be honest all three sets are superb. I’d be happy with any of them but there subtle differences you can hear.
The figuring on that jazzmaster headstock is insane! Gorgeous
Phenomenal note separation on the moderns- my decision is made. Fender clearly took this remake seriously and (to my ears) may have slightly improved upon these legendary beasts. Thanks for the perfect demo. 😎
Thanks Michael .. appreciated 👍🏻
Also buy extra so when they stopped again you can resell it and made investment
@@najmihakimkhairi1210 I did ask Tim Shaw at Fender who is behind these new ones if they were a limited edition. He said no but I suspect you will be right 👍🏻
Thanks so much for this and your previous video about the boutique reproductions. You are the only one to do such an exhaustive comparison! The three are so close it's a distinction without a difference imo. Very impressed with each!
Thanks Mark, yeah the differences are very subtle and they are all equally good 👌
Just got a Squier CV 70s telecaster thinline. Hoping to get hold of a proper neck pickup for starters. Can't wait !
All three sound great. I am certain that a significant contributor to the sonic variance the fact the pick ups are mounted in significantly different guitars.
You would think so wouldn’t you? however I later put a set of the new CuNife Pick ups in a tele deluxe and compared them to the strat. Side by side through an amp they both sounded practically identical. I do understand for a direct audio comparison it’s best to hear them in the same guitar but I wanted to get something out quick as this was the first video featuring the new pickups 👍🏻
@@LordFuzzman I'm sure the Jaguar is very different from the other two though. Without even looking at the screen I could immediately tell which one was the Jag. The Jag trem adds a distinct sound.
@@ChrisEck13 ‘Jazzmaster’ 😉. It’s also the only one without CuNiFe pickups but I know what your mean 👍🏻
@@LordFuzzman Oh yeah Jazzmaster. I guess its pretty difficult to tell them apart at a glance with humbuckers.
Just picked up a set of these for my MIM 72 reissue Tele Deluxe (black, naturally). Guess I should get 1 Meg pots.
I have a set with 1 Meg and a set with 500 now. It’s not a huge difference but the 1 Meg is brighter so it depends on your tastes I guess.
Very cool demos of these pickups, they all sound amazing! I'm still learning guitar and I recently purchased a Squier tele deluxe with alnico pickups, I'm sure those aren't as good but this video is inspiring
Thank you for the kind words. The squier tele deluxe is great. I’ve had two of them 👍🏻
Thanks for the great comparison and sorry for the long reply! An FYI for those considering buying vintage PUPs on Reverb: I have an all original 78 deluxe and a 73 Custom that some previous owner had put an old Duncan in the bridge and a super distortion in the neck. Played a bunch of vintage Fender, Nash, and partscaster guitars while deciding which pickup to put in the neck and noticed that the WRHBs varied as much if not more than old PAFs. Decided on a Regal because I figured at least I knew what I was getting. Sounds fine, as does the Creamery version. In 2021 I'd actually go with the Vintera which are half the price of the CuNiFe and boutique, and sound very similar to both (see the many shootouts on CZcams). Lord Fuzzman's originals sound great but your mileage WILL vary.
Great input and totally agree 👍🏻
Thank you so much for uploading a video about the new CuNiFes and recording it well; I've been waiting for someone to get their hands on them to see how good a job Fender has done recreating them.
All three sound great, I think a lot of the differences you hear might also be from each guitar's construction and not just the pickups. Thanks for pointing out that all guitars are using similar pots and caps too! (Y)
I'd love to get some WRHBs in a guitar at some point but the thought of having to route a body terrifies me D:
Thanks.. if you take your time and have a little confidence it’s actually easier to route than you might imagine. A dremel helps 👌
The vintage fender is my fave.. the Fenders are SIMILAR but not indistinguishable. The Ceamery is definitely my least favourite... the more gain you add the easier they are to tell apart, which surprised me... great demo. Thanks!
hey, thanks for this demo... yes, they do sound different, but they all sound great on their own.. most people won't notice any difference in a mix... my personal favorite was the Fender modern...gotta build me a Strat with a set of those.
Modern and Vintage sound very very close. I would give Vintage the slight edge for bolder mid-lows. Creamery didn't really sound as good as either CuNiFe in this context but sound like good pickups on their own.
Vintage ones are more mellow than they would have been back when they were new.
Great Video!!! Thanks!! The only thing I can say is that a strat bridge make the new fender cunife pickup sound kinda“thinner” due to the string vibration transfer (I have a hardtail strat and a 6 screw bridge and they are way different) I would love to hear a comparison on hard tail bridges.
But in this video you can hear the highs chime that is the tonal print of a wide range Humbucker. Think fender nailed it!!
Thanks man!!!
Yeah you’re totally right. I might redo a shorter vid with a similar tele 👌 The new pick ups are great I love ‘em!
I love the upper mid sizzle of the fenders, of course, but I would not be unhappy with the creamery pickups. They all sound fantastic. Thank you for demonstrating them through 1K pots as they should be!
Good comparison, especially the consistent pots across all. It would be interesting to hear the Fender conventional-HB "WRHB" reissues too. There has been some recent evidence that while those often come with 250k pots (!), when you match pot values to those common for CuNiFe WRHBs (1meg or 500k), the sonic differences are less than expected.
Modern Fender sounds best to me - richer and less harsh. Of course, we've got a tone control on our guitars and amps, so probably just a case of using it to find the sound you like whatever wide-range pick up you choose.
"Play For Today" sounded absolutely incredibly on both these CuNiFe pickups. They did a fantastic job with the modern versions, I can't tell the difference!
The Vintage definitely sound better to my ear. I have a Memphis Les Paul and I might put some of these in it over making it a Gibson replica. When I bought it someone had changed the Pickups to single coils of some kind but I think I want it with dual humbuckers instead. Thanks for the video!
Awesome video & yeah fender realized they where missing out on sales that 3rd party wide ranged humbucker makers where getting.
Really nice demo - appreciate the style of the playing and tones shone. For playing across three guitars - very consistent playing. So many times with effects and amp demo shootouts - it's just loop the guitar part so it's consistent! =) This is top notch as as the all black color schemes!
I'm in love with that black jazzblaster
Great comparison! The Creamery and the original (Vintage) were so similar. The Modern was a bit warmer and less chime; still nice, but different. Good choice of tunes. Thanks!
Thanks that’s pretty much my observations too 👌
I've had a thinline with the "bad" WRHB since they were first reissued. as soon as i saw the cunife, i jumped on the neck pickup
then i heard your distortion demo on the bridge... that cost me another $200 haha. killer tones from that peavey bandit!!
Your vintage set sounds pretty close to the 2020 reissues, maybe a bit lower midrange and less bright. I just compared the new fender Cunife 2020s with my 75 Tele Deluxe pu’s. My originals are quite different. Much more gain, less bright, and more lower mids. To my ears the modern fender Cunifes capture more of a single coil tone, whereas my originals sound closer to humbuckers. This fits what I have heard. The originals varied quite a bit from pu to pu.
I have to agree, the new ones are more of a bright single coil tone, when compared.
I have 3 thinlines I put together from parts and used original WRHB....even they have noticeable differences between them......but this is a great comparison and the differences are so subtle... there might my a slight harmonic richness, that the originals have, when played clean, but they all sound fantastic.....
The owner of the Creamery says it wasn't the metals making up the magnets but more being able to thread the magnetized pole screws that provided the magic. I have a set and love them.
15:11 this sounds a lot like ´´you made me realise´´ by my bloody valentine
@@mistopraro666 that’s what it was 👌
@@LordFuzzman nice
They're all great, but if I had to choose I'd go for Creamery methinks.
Just ordered the limited Fender Japan 60s HH Jazzmaster with Cunifes and block inlays... Won't arrive till June but can't wait.
Was just about to order a set of the pickups to put in a Strat when it was announced so perfect timing.
The Strat is now getting a pair of vintage Hofner blades instead.
It finally arrived. Closest comparison to the pickups from my existing guitars is the one with Hofner 513 blades - but with much lower output so they don't distort the amp as soon as you turn them up to 10. But that kind of hi-fi clarity and lushness.
Love the neck on all three for me though I would take a traditional single coil on the bridge
Well... I don't hear that much differences between The Creamery and the Fender Modern. If I have to choose, this will definitely The Creamery.
Creamery are great 👍🏻
I know they're not the same as the originals, but I really love the WR's in my Classic Vibe Starcaster. I'm mostly a single coil guy and the WR's are the ones that best fit my rig without me having to alter all of my amp/pedal settings.
Nothing wrong with those pick ups at all, I think they are great too 👍🏻
I've got some new Fender CuNiFe on the way. I'm going to put those in my Starcaster and maybe put the Squiers in another guitar. The CuNiFe just seem too good to pass up.
Great comparison, they all sounded fantastic. The new Fender ones capture the originals well and Creamery have done a great job in replicating them as well. As always, love your vids for your playing and diversity of song choice
Thanks Chris, really appreciate that!
kudos to fender, they sound just as good as the originals, if not better
Be interesting what Lord Fuzzman thinks because he is hearing the guitars directly and we hear it only through CZcams's audio format. But putting that detail aside, I think I like the original Fender CuNiFe pickup the best but Fender's new recreation of the CuNiFe is almost identical.
Yeah the original is by far the best, the recreation seems much brighter. Not sure if that’s an age or build thing.
Thanks
Think the Creamery ones sounded best.play for today was a Nice touch!!
Jaime will be pleased to hear that! 👌 Reverb was from a dispatch master.
I liked the original Fender pickups the best.
I would like to hear the dirt through a tube amp for the natural breakup. I liked the vintage best then creamery, and modern. The vintage Thinline I has some hot pickups. Hotter than my LP and a CE PRS I tested.
Classy! Such great taste in guitar aesthetics as well 👍
Thanks Robert
Always loved them wide range pickups, and those issued early 2000 really were louzy copies
A strat with a tremolo (and springs), a tele, and a jazzmaster? Apples, oranges, and grapefruits. Way too many variables here to attribute everything to the pickups. But a good effort. Makes me wish I hadn't sold my old Peavey Bandit - what an under-rated solid state amp. Old Bandits kick ass.
Yeah all very slight variables I do agree. Best I could do at the time though. This was the first vid of Fenders new pick ups so wanted to get something out there pronto. If you see one of my other videos I did get another tele with modern CuNiFe pick ups. It actually sounded identical to the strat side by side with the same pick ups but I didn’t bother doing another comparison video. I have 3 x bandits plus a load of other amps.. always go back to the bandit though. 👌 Thanks for watching.
Cream is the winner for me. Then vintage, then modern
Well you convinced me to get the creamery set lol
Fender didn’t quite get it the old ones sound the absolute best :)
Think it could be an age thing… but you are right!! 👍🏻
I bought a new 1976 Tele Deluxe back in the day and think it is great. It was not loved by particularly the "purists" back then. Over time it has become more appreciated. My ear lends to the vintage but like a lot of pups there are even variations between them. The Creamery sounded closer and despite the moderns often getting derided over the years they were not bad sounding in any way, just not quite the same tone as the other 2. Over the years as I came upon info on the originals I read that the CuNiFe needs to be Re-magnetized to bring back to the like new specs. Any info concerning that idea? Lollar makes some sweet ones as well..the regal or some such............... P.S. I like the Vintage Distortion the best here. I have been advised that I am a bit distorted myself. Cheers!
nice to open with a bit of my bloody valentine
They all have their slight tonal differences but obviously the fender version is the closest to original. Best sounding humbucker imo. Also, not usually a strat guy but DAYUM is that sexy
Yeah i’m not a strat guy either but I’m really pleased with how this one turned out 👌
@@LordFuzzman what kind of knobs are those?
@@keatonlusk3693 they go by a few names. They are made in China. I’ve seen them called witch hat. UFO .. a lot of pedal and amp manufactures have started using them. I got mine from eBay.
Not knowing anything about wide range humbuckers I think I preferred the Creamery
O Lord Fuzzman- I am reconfiguring a ~2009 Mexican tele deluxe to play doom/stoner metal in C/B standard tuning. I was planning to get some sort of fancy wiring harness and new pickups among other things, out of any wide range pickup option you’ve tried what would you recommend for a project like that?
14:19 gotta love you made me realize
Top tune 👏👌
This is really great work but the JM sounds a lot diff than the other two guitars - all those ringing harmonics.
You could argue the strat and Tele are pretty different sounding too, given the pickup placement / positions in context of the overall scale.
Last, are pot values the same across all guitars?
Yeah I agree, it’s not an identical comparison obviously with different guitars but yea all the pots and caps are the same value on all three. 👍🏻 Thanks
From Leo: I know that the definition of great sound is subjective, but I actually like the sound of the new style wide range pickups better than the originals with the CuNiFe magnets.
wat
What did he know? 🙃
4:51, the DAMNED!!! Great video. Liked and Subscribed
That's the Cure, Play for Today. The Damned are amazing though!
@@jetjaguar72 Wow you're right - amazing how close those 2 songs chords are. I thought it was "Alone Again Or". The ending.
I would like to see a comparison of the new Fender CuNiFe v. Fender fake Wide Range pickups, please. They sound good, but how much of an improvement are they?
Also, Tele v. Tele - the body makes a difference.
This would really help. Thanks.
Yes, the pickups in the Fender American Professional II Tele Deluxe are not cunife, but they sound pretty darn good to my ear. I'd like to hear a side by side with the real thing.
@@drothberg3 American telecaster deluxe were going for paf option and you can coil tap to have more highs
I’m curious as well. I have a Fender Vintera 70s Telecaster Custom and it’s not running the CuNiFe but instead the fakery lol. I’m thinking about purchasing the CuNiFe and installing it. Just not sure how much difference it will be.
@@drothberg3 they are using the new CuNiFe in the Fender American Original 70S Telecaster Custom and it’s actually supposed to be CuNiFe and not the cheap alternative used in the MIM ones. The Fender American Professional ll Tele Deluxe is not a 70s model so no CuNiFe for it.
Finally got round to having the Fender reissue CuNiFe pickups installed (neck & bridge, as it’s a Telecaster Deluxe) and oh, my, what an improvement. They’re much brighter, crisper, and noticeably louder. New 500k’s all around, with Linear tone pots and Logarithmic volumes. Much better sweep throughout the tonality now. No more mud. Yeah. Very, very happy.
Great comparison, but this video has got me suddenly wanting a Jazzmaster. In that configuration it's basically an Offset Tele Deluxe with a funky tailpiece. Can I ask what that one actually is? By the flamey headstock I'm guessing Custom Shop?
That one is an old MJT Jazzmaster. I’ve built loads of Jazzblasters with wide range humbuckers over the years.
@@LordFuzzman Well I know what my next partscaster build is going to be then! Hadn't heard "Jazzblaster" before either. Love it
think id like a pink wide ranger blaster like that one in the vid.
Ha ha you do have that exact one now, it pulls at my heart strings seeing that pic! I’d have sold that to no one else ya know 😛
That was a tasty demo, being from the states I have never heard of the Creamery before, I have to say the name matches the tone. I also am I hearing the Damned around 5:52 ? If so, then hats off to you Lord Fuzzman
Thanks . I do love the Damned. My old bass player went on to play for them after Patricia Morrison left, but no that song is ‘Play for Today’ by The Cure.
@@LordFuzzman saw them for the 8th time in my life last year in San Diego and seeing Paul Gray back on bass was amazing
@@Mr.Steve-O ah cool, I love it that’s these old bands keep going 👌
@@LordFuzzman absolutely !!
So-maybe a dumb question: I got one of the new 70’s Custom Teles with the Lover CuNiFe humbuckers; and it’s surprisingly hot. All the setting my tech could do still didn’t reduce the hum-which is (also surprisingly) a lot louder than the bridge pickup; and a lot louder than both SC pickups on my Tele Special Edition. Same amp; same cable run, same board, same everything.
The tech looked at the solder joints and everything, but didn’t know what the deal was. Any thoughts? And, what might you replace it with if you mainly played generally clean, though with moderate overdrive and/or chorus effects sometimes.
Thanks for posting, your videos are super helpful. The original WRHB is my all -time favorite pickup. Thinking of making a Strat blaster sort of thing like yours with the new CuNiFe WRHB. Quick q, looks like you have a Mexican Standard Strat with vintage tuners? I think this comes with a H-S-H routing in the body. Did you have to do any additional routing to get it to fit or is it just a case of getting a pickguard that accommodates the spacing and drop 'em in? Thanks!
Thanks Andrew, yes it’s a Mexican standard with vintage tuners 👍🏻 there was a bit of routing involved. Find me on Instagram and send me a DM. I’ll see if I can dig out some pics to show you. Can assist with the pickguard too.
@@LordFuzzman Cool, thanks that's super helpful to know.
Thanks for the geat vid Fuzzman... I may have to hit you up for such info myself. WRHBs have been a discovery long in the making! @@LordFuzzman
Well Fuzzman, I'd say that there's pretty much no doubt the originals were clearly the best. And that sucks 'cause my main guitar through the 1980's was the tele deluxe... (my second was a 58 strat...) and I basically played it to death. Now had I known that the CuNiFe wide range humbuckers would become unavailable, I'da kept the pick ups. But... I was playin' punk rock, doin' punk rock van tours, drinkin too much and doing too much.... well... you know. What I wasn't doing was thinking about later. Now, I'm pretty much resigned to never hearing that sound again, unless I luck into another '72.
Keep those eyes peeled 👌
I have been. The timing or the guitar hasn't been right yet, but one day....
I would like to hear a comparison between Fender CuNiFe WRHBs and the cheaper Fender '72 WRHBs with bar magnets.
Yeah I could probably do that at some point .. good idea 👌
@@LordFuzzman I have the MIM WRHBs laying around at home for ages right now. I plan to build a Sonic Youth Jazzblaster with them. But I want to mod them with a different wire to make em splittable. But this isn't possible with the CuNiFes I think. Plus, I would like to know how much better the CuNiFes are. I have heared the MIMs sound very similar but different in a weird way, or something like this. If this makes sense. 😅
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They're all great. Where I thought the moderns fell off was the middle setting distortion. In the other sections it was a little warmer and less harsh, and I was anticipating how that would sound with distortion. The Creamery and Vintage sounded like I expected -- sounded great but my ears would get sore from too much of that. The moderns didn't have the harsh edge, but IMO didn't have the girth either.
Very interesting. I'm still eyeballing getting a set for a 2019 Starcaster (which I love everything about but the alnico WRHBs).
What kind of starcaster? I’ve been looking for a good hollowbody but there aren’t enough reviews on the starcasters
@@Reklaw_ll 2019 Classic Vibe, the non-burst brown one. It's the first semi-hollow I've owned. I like it a lot as far as playability goes. It sounds like a semi-hollow. The pickups aren't bad by any stretch, but if there was something i'd want to change, that would be it.
The riff you played with the middle position sounds like the Wipers
the strat looks and sounds mighty! where did you find a wrhb pickguard for the concersion? i’ve been looking like crazy..
I have a chap who makes them for me. DM me on Instagram and I’ll pass you his details and he can make one for you.
Hey, Ho, Lord Fuzzman - Very cool video; I've been thinking about a neck CuNiFe wide range P/U for my 'tele. Quick question - which version of the PV Bandit do you rock with - Teal Stripe, Silver Stripe, Red Stripe or? Thanks, Mike from Sooke, BC, CAN
Hey, so I use the red stripe with an upgraded speaker celestial vintage 30. I actually had three of these amps in a stack but slimmed it down to two now 😆
Whoa The Creamery. What type of magnets are in yours?
Can you split them? They sound amazing.
......and the reason Telenator was not included in the shootout is?....... I realize they're no longer in business but, they were the only company to produce exact CuNiFe repros of the original WRHB and were among the very first to start a major come back of these great pickups. I'm sure they would have sent you a set for comparison if only for the historic contribution made to the revival of the WRHB.
Thought they went out of production a few years ago. Happy to compare them if they want to send me a set 😉
I’ve been dreaming of a jazzmaster with these WRHBs. Did you mod yours, or is there a model I should be on the lookout for?
I’ve modded dozens of Jazzmasters for WRHB. The only models you can buy are Fender Custom shop which are very expensive or recently a Japanese Ltd edition version which sold out straight away.
Hey, do you have any advice for setting up a cunife. I replaced in my vintera but not sure I've got the set up right. Thanks, fun vid great playing
Seth Lover looks nothing like I thought he would. I always pictured him as some kind of mountain man.
Hi !! Do you need to rout the Jazzmaster (AVii 66 ) to put regular Fender cunife wide-range ?? Thank you
Yes
I read somewhere tonight that the original tele customs had 1 Meg pots in them like the jazzmaster. My partscaster has creamery wide range humbuckers in it with 500 k pots. I’m thinking of changing the pots to 1 meg and adding a Jaguar middle pickup. Do you have any experience with the 1 meg pot value and these pick ups?
Edit: wow I missed you saying that all the demos are with 1 meg pots.
Yes every guitar in this video has 1 meg pots just like the original. In fact all of my Jazzblasters have 1 meg pots. 👍🏻
those Creamery WRHBs sound so close, are they the ones you sent to be redone or off-the--shelf Creamery ? just wondering if they used your CuNiFe poles etc ?
i'm narrowing down which WRHBs to put in a JM thinline project
The Creamery in this video were sent in to be re-done using all Creamery internals no CuNiFe 👍🏻
Awesome, well what an amazing job they've done, considering Creamery, vintage and modern Fender all pretty much sound the same, and I played it back quite a few times - I'm glad to discover the Creamery is a good bit cheaper for a set. The other brands in your other vid were noticeably different, good score !
Thanks for this, great comparison vid all round :)
Doing the lord's work, sir. What value pots do you recommend on a Jazzblaster build?
I always use 1 meg pots but you can get away with 500k .
Great video and you excellent choice of riffs! Where did you get your 1 meg pots and 0.22 caps from? Also, I found the Fender Cunife Modern Reissue humbuckers to sound a tiny bit bright for my tastes, do you think getting 500k pots or a capacitor of a different value would help tame the highs a bit more? Or would that butcher the tone in more ways than I can imagine?
Thanks buddy, I have a guy who puts together wiring harness for me, not sure where he sources the parts from. I spoke to Tim Shaw at Fender who is the man responsible for bringing these pick ups back. He has gone with 500k on all the new tele’s featuring these pick ups and believes that is the correct pot. He states that they only used 1 meg on the originals as they had an abundance of them at the time.I decided on 1meg for a direct comparison. I think the new ones are bright but then you could easily e.q this to compensate or roll back on the tone if you wanted.
Hi,
I am not sure that I can tell over the internet how close they are in real life. What I did was listen with over ear headphones. I focused on the cleans. I stopped to check a few times when I heard something that spoke to me. I was looking to get the new CuNiFe from Fender as it's more convenient and price friendly. How good are the new Fender CuNiFe?
I've listened to a lot of Guitar for the Day which have featured the original pick ups. I am hoping that Fender have nailed it?
What are your thoughts?
Useful demo and great guitars.
Thank you. I am really impressed with the new pick ups. They have really good clarity and string definition just like the originals. The new ones I have sound a little brighter and not quite as warm as the vintage ones. That could be age or just the character of that particular pick up. They’ve done a great job and I’d recommend them 👍🏻
@@LordFuzzman Many thanks for the feedback. I am going to get the new American Original 70s Telecaster Deluxe when it gets released in the future. The Custom is already here. I now have an NOS original that I am thinking about fitting to a Telecaster. I would assume I require stacked pots 1 meg for the WHRB in the neck? Anything I will need to be aware of?
@@753Jackson The American original come with 500k pots. I spoke directly with Tim Shaw at Fender who headed the project to make the new CuNife pick ups. He states that they simply used 1 meg pots in the 70s because that’s what they had in bulk at the time, he believes 500k is fine. Not sure how much difference there would be. Other than that go for it 👍🏻
@@LordFuzzman Thanks for this I'll see what I can get hold of. Luckily I am not buying in bulk it will be a lot easier for me.
I read a piece by Telenator on TDPRI he says the bridge pickups optimum set up is 3/16" further away from the bridge. That's 3/16 further away from the bridge than it is now on an original Deluxe. When Fender release a Fender Original American Telecaster Deluxe I'll get one of those. Surely that's on the cards?
@@LordFuzzman The new American Original 70s Telecaster custom comes with 1 meg pots for the wide range pickup and 250 k for the single coil bridge. I can verify this because I own one and opened it up when I first bought. Overall I really enjoyed your video.
Unfortunately if you open them up you find they’re not wide range humbuckers :/ The 70s ones have magnetic pole pieces. These are just standard humbuckers with magnetic plates beneath the poles. Covered up by a wide range pickup cover.
That’s what Fender had been doing for years but these do have the magnetic pole pieces 👍🏻
they all sound good. the modern is a little fatter the vintage a little brighter. creamery sounds "er" CREAMIER
The vintage has a kind of hollow scooped quality, the Creamery is round and full, the CuNiFe reissue sounds like a polite version of the Creamery WR. Wood makes also a bit difference so.. all are in the same balpark, vintage has the most character, for better or worse.
My 2012 AVRI has the re-designed WR's, they seem now very obscure, no one ever mention them.
Which Creamery’s wide range pickups are used in Jazzmaster, “Classic’71” or “Extra Width”?
Classic 71
Thank you!
What riff are you playing on the middle position clean part?
Play for today by The Cure
What pot and capacitor do you use in strat ?
1 Meg pot and 22 cap 👍🏻
DK strat is great!!! Where do u get all your pickguards?
I have a guy who pretty much can do any pickguard I ask him too 👍🏻
I’ve a Fender Classic Series ‘72 with the fake WR and I’d like to put the real deal in because I hate the idea of a fake.
Thanks for the demo & history lesson. 👍
Any clue as to how Fender sourced the magnets? Did they retool a factory or what?
Nice tones & playing btw ✌️
Thanks...Yeah they approached a small magnet factory and invested a shit load of money into it. They reverse engineered the exact make up of the original magnets etc. I interviewed Tim Shaw at Fender prior to making the video. 👍🏻
Which type of magnet is used for this Creamery pickup: Alnico 2, Alnico 5 or CuNiFe?
Alnico. I’d have to have a look which type. I think they offer a lot more options than when I bought these years ago.
Thank you!
Does it have a lot of noise when using distortion with no noise gate?
Nope
wonder how these both compare to catswhiskers WRHB. Have you compared them at all?
I’ve compared the Creamery pickups to Catwhiskers in my other video but not the CuNife. The Catwhiskers are really good for the money 👍🏻
@@LordFuzzman yeah I've seen that video too sir. I have a set of cats in my reissue starcaster, I have a, review of them on my channel. Always wondered how close they are to the OG's. Would be cool if you did a full comparison of the fenders to all those others. A lot of work though I know. :-)
@@LordFuzzmanMa lord. I just picked up a vintage 73 telecaster deluxe, I'm in love with the original pickups. I have to say though, I compared it to my cats whiskers in my starcaster and they are a pretty damn good alternative if you don't want to pay vintage money. They done a pretty good approximating the sound.
Great video and review, just bought the fender Cunife WRHB , i think I’ve went for the les Paul 50s wiring that the Emerson custom had, my question is there’s any difference between those 2 wirings the original deluxe 72 and the les Paul 50s wiring?? If yes whats the difference?
Thanks buddy, I haven’t really explored the Les Paul 50s wiring: but the main difference as I understand it is which lug on the tone pot gets wired up, this apparently makes a slight difference in tonality. Might be a good experiment one day 👌
@@LordFuzzman Thanks for the quick reply ;) , humm interesting, I'm having fun and liking it with the 50's wiring, although I'm feeling that my tone pots are cutting only at around 8 or 10 below the tone pot doesnt do nothing or almost nothing, do you fell the same on your modern cunife fenders? I have 1 M pots on volume and tone, could that be it???
@@RodrigoRodrigues-wy6td hmm sounds a little strange. I have a set of new CuNife pickups on 1meg pots and another on 500k. Both tone pots seem to work through the full range on mine.
@@LordFuzzman I think it’s working ok, I can hear it cut the high spectrum slowly, the low pass filter it’s starting really high probably, I’m now balancing the height of the pick ups and feeling difference on the tone pot, thanks
@@LordFuzzman any major difference between 500 and the 1meg? I’m debating my self on wish way to go.