The Overdue Review Part 2! Rdunae "6105-8000" from WR Watches
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Taking the Rdunae apart, and doing some modding fun - showing the whole reason I bought the darned thing.
As is usual, the amount of prep I did for this video was pretty minimal.
Watch specs:
NH35 movement
Screw-down crown
Sapphire crystal with AR
120-click unidirectional bezel
Tropic strap
Watch dimensions are nearly identical to the original Seiko 6105.
$200 shipped, from China.
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I wouldn't worry about the attack comments... remember that it is easier for people without a real backbone to snipe from a keyboard. Honestly irrelevant. Keep up with being you! As for the watches, I have quite a few vintage Seiko and Timex watches ranging back as far as the 50's. I also have a couple of Steeldive NH35 movement homages (a 300m Marinemaster Tuna and a Willard) made by the WR factory which I have as worry-free dependable beater watches in a style that I could not actually wear if they were actual vintage. I am military and do a lot of work in the water, but still want that classic style.
Your videos are great and your explainations are very easy to follow. Most of us appreciate your expertise.
So nice of you, thanks kindly
I'm pleased to say that in May 2023 my Rdunae arrived and it featured four pips either side of 12 on the bezel and no blue tint on the AR coated sapphire. It seems Rdunae have listened to customer wants in a way almost no other manufacturer does and are committed to improving the authenticity to the original design. I now have a Seikosis dial on the way to make a homage which will be tough and inexpensive for use swimming, fishing etc! The build quality is indeed fantastic. Thank you for your two amazing reviews.
Hello, would you please be so kind to give us a feedback how your modification with the Seikosis dial worked? Thank you very much in advance, Uwe
@@u.k.9412 Seconded. I plan on doing the same thing. Does the 3.8 Seikosis dial drop right in?
@@sgtlmj neither the 3.8 nor the 4.2 Seikosis dial will fit the Rdunae. The crown position on the Rdunae is 4.0 o'clock.
@@u.k.9412 This is correct, I snipped the dial feet off with snips, then sanded the remaining down to be flat. I then used shaped double sided dial adhesive strips to stick the dial down which seemed to work fine. I got them from eBay and had to cut them into manageable bits. I've been wearing the watch three weeks now and just got back from a holiday where it went through extreme heat and cold water swimming and everything has been fine. I had to use a mixture of alcohol pens and white gel pen to match the Rdunae hands to the Seikosis dial lume colour but you can also just buy the matched Seikosis hands. It's an awesome mod that I really have enjoyed making and wearing as in my opinion the new Seiko sp317 was quite expensive and had details that I was unsure of. Now I have a cool unusual watch which is the best dive watch I've found for my 6.75" wrist. I also have put it on the Uncle Seiko H bracelet for 6105 8000s and it fits great.
@@leosheepman please what is the beze diameter and does it wears large and clunky ?
Thank you for everything you show us, you keep those Seiko's going my friend. Avoid those negative people they're not worth your time.
H8ters gonna hate and suck the fun out of everything. What you just did in this video is the definition of fun. We are all one heartbeat away from our last. Drawing the line in the sand over "You don't understand the design language and you're not worthy and you should slink back under a rock", this is the pedantry of joyless little minds.
I have an original 6105-8119 “Willard” watch in very good condition that I no longer wear due to its sky rocketing value. But I did buy the Heimdollr homage of this 6105 and was pleasantly surprised at the workmanship including the sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel insert, the NH35 movement, great superluminova lume, and case dimensions that are true to the original. All these up grades for less than $200. This watch is now my favorite beater watch. Seiko must not be too upset about these homage watches since they are selling the Chinese companies their movements.
A lot of these "SEIKO" movements are actually clones. Sometimes with slightly rougher finishes and sometimes with slightly better than the originals. The movements that are put into the Heimdallr and San Martins etc etc are apparently not SEIKO made, according to one knowledgeable modder. Not that its good or bad (unless they are labelled "SEIKO" of course).
I don't think Seiko will really care because when they bring out their version it will be a SEIKO and likely with a much higher price point and lets face it whether you buy this (very excellent) Retangula version or not if you want an actual SEIKO then that is what you'll get irrespective whether you also get this watch or not. I really don't think this watch will dent SEIKO sales but what it will do is provide us enthusiasts with a watch that SEIKO has not yet reintroduced at a price point that SIKO will never match.
@@Leec_1972 heimdallr and San Martin use the NH35 movements that are built and sold to other manufactures by a Seiko owned company SII (Seiko instruments inc.). So these movements won’t have the name Seiko on them but will have the “SII” stamped on these movements. The NH35 movements are the exact same as the Seiko’s 4R35 movement without the Seiko branding. If the Chinese brand watches had a clone, it would typically have its own Chinese model number designation.
@@henrygalindo4479 I know about the SII unbranded movements and have a NE15 (6R15) SII movement in a modded SKX myself. However it appears that these manufacturers actually use a "clone" some would say fake movement with finishes that vary in quality as can be seen under magnification. This was pointed out by a notable watch modder/ builder.
@@Leec_1972 There's no clone of Seiko NH35. Even the fake Seiko (SRP777 etc.) using the genuine NH35. They're just very cheap to make. Also China doesn't make NH35 (4R35), Seiko (SII) produce the movement in Malaysia.
@@henrygalindo4479 Thanks for challenging and clarifying the prior post...Liam must be in a state of pure bliss, given the magnitude of ignorance in his/her/it/they/them comment.
Great job. I agree with you about the Seiko re-issues. I wanted a 6105-8110, but couldn't afford an original. I was excited when the re-issue was announced, then immediately disappointed because of the huge price of it. Way too expensive. Then Seiko announce another, more mainstream version. More affordable. Great, I could set money aside and get one of those. Then of course I start seeing all the videos about the case shape not being true to the original. So now I'm not going to get one. I don't understand why they made the case the wrong shape. Now, I'll probably do something similar to what you have done.
I’ve had hate mail... it’s never pleasant. (But it IS clicks! ;) Keep doing what makes you happy - ignore the noise.
Spencer, bravo!
This is testament to your brilliant acumen!
I would love to get a 6105-8000, but all things considered, I think I prefer something like this!
people get so personal with you on your frustrations with seiko because you are so correct. they have a heritage that they seem to spurn, and the homage companies nail it. seiko doesn't even care to have quality control on the alignment of their current divers under $1000, so how could they ever care about their past. sir, you are right on the money. thank you.
You're very welcome! And thank you.
Hey Spencer ! You are One of the Only Honest Watch video guys out ! Keep me Honest and informed! Thank you for All you do ! Your Love of All things Watches is refreshing. Take care and be well. Eric
waiting on Rdunae 61065 , perfect beater watch with the classic style I like. Don't let the misanthropes get to you.
keep up the good work!!
The comment about the atmosphere burning away made me laugh. Right on Spencer! No one will give a damn in two weeks let alone a hundred years.
The 6105-8000 survivors are pretty hard to find and gotten really expensive - for this kind of dive watch. I had an original 69 proof proof watch a few years back and it was lovely, but was never a safe daily wear as WR was a worry. This opens up opportunities to do what you propose - a bullet proof watch using original parts - how cool is that. Your knowledge, as always, astounds - ignore the personal attacks. It’s just watches ;-)
I like the new hai cut Spencer.👍🏻
saw both this and part 1...i agree 1000% with your criticisms of seiko. past originals, incredible. current 'take the money and run' fakey redo's, disgusting. i'm totally with you. we won't even go into their misalignment culture over the last 10yrs which have forced me to leave the brand.
Hi Spencer! Don't worry about the disproportionate criticism of some people,that will always exist,but I think that most of us think that most of us think that you do the right thing. I'm seriously thinking of buying one of these WR 6105. Thank you so much for sharing this video.
Please do Not let anyone who has a fended you EVER get to your Love of Watches . You are welcome wealth of Knowledge, wisdom, passion, and Fun ! Thank you so much and Best Regards. Eric
I bought one of these in April. I love it. They must regulate their NH35’s as it keeps better time than any of my Seiko’s with the exception of my Gen1 monster.
*Spencer Klein* Perfect as always. Have a superior day :p
It seems that Seiko need their own Fred Mandelbaum type of historian onboard. Someone who knows the heritage of each model and how they weave and develop over the different iterations. If Seiko are listening SPENCER KLEIN is your Fred Mandelbaum!!!
Great vid, love how the watch turned out. I would wear that every day.
I bought a gilt version after watching your 1st review and love it so thanks. And I'm a Seiko fan, respects from South Africa
Thank you so much! Glad you like the gilt one; been still considering that.
Hi Spencer, that was very interesting to see. Please ignore the haters, your talent with regards to Seikos and your knowledge of their history is fantastic, and worth remembering when you get comments like that. I have to say I am not a fan of homages, but your talent (and available resources) has converted it into a very acceptable frankenseiko! All the best, Neel
Thanks for an honest and sensible review as I would have expected from you. Bravo! Also you have made me feel a little less guilty for doing mods/restorations myself. All the best. Kevin
The Rdunae second hand is significantly longer than the original (~2+ mm). On one hand, this is a functional improvement over the original insofar as the hand actually hits the second markers on the dial. This also perhaps requires greater assembly precision as any minor misalignment will be immediately obvious. The tradeoff...
...Aside from a deviation from the original, the 'stoplight' tip of the Rdunae design can obscure the hour markers as it passes over them when viewed underwater. Furthermore, because the Rdunae's second hand drapes completely over the minute hand, if a diver unluckily times when he glances at his watch, the top of the minute hand can be obscured when the second hand sweeps past, making the minute hand more difficult to distinguish from the shorter hour hand.
Just bought one August 5, 20204. 150 bucks. I got the gold colored one. Hope they’re still good.
Now that’s a hot rod! I may get one to tinker with. May throw in a modernTurtle dial and hands. Like you said, it looks good and you can wear it without worry. 👍🏼
Right on!
What kind of nuts attack Spencer Klein?? Great videos, enjoy every one. Keep them coming Spencer and Sabrina!
On the caseback...yes, threading is the same, but thread length will be different because the NH35 is using the stock grey non-diver movement spacer which is 1mm thinner than the diver movement spacer used on the 7S or 4R in the SKX or SRP Turtles. As a result, the movement won't be as snug with that spacer caseback combo. The threads on the Rdunae are longer to compensate for the thinner spacer. Those of us who mod our SKXs with NH36 have been dealing with this for years by swapping spacers. However, there are plenty of aftermarket casebacks available for the stock NH3x spacer.
Good morning Spencer and thanks for the prompt release of pt 2! Sorry to hear that you are taking flak for your views around these watches. Just ignore it, haters got to hate to feel important.
Question: you mentioned differences in spring bar holes, do you think one of the Uncle Seiko metal bracelets would fit? I'd like to have one of these watches to satisfy the nostolgic Seiko diver vibe in me, but there's no way I'd pay $1000 for an original!
Thanks again and hope the MG is coming along.
The end result with the OEM parts looks fantastic! I wonder if an original bezel insert would also fit. The missing dots on both sides of the triangle bothers me more than it should.
Thank you Spencer for another great video. I just don't understand people and their hate. As you said it is just a watch. A consumer good, that's all. Yes some watches have sentimental value to the owner/ wearer. But still just a thing. Again thank you for your videos. They bring hours and hours of enjoyment and escapement. Please stay safe and well..
As I have said before you are good at what you do mix and match till you Hearts content, never mind the people who make nasty remarks to you they are probably jealous, keep it up Spencer, you can now get back to your MG
I agree with you about seiko not getting it quite right with their reissues. The 6105 8110 is my favorite watch of all time. I have an original and several clones that I use as daily beaters. The seiko reissue lost me with the 3:45 crown and the drilled lugs. I think the rdunae 6105 8110 homage is closer to the original.
Yeah, the 3:45 crown really turned me off. The drilled lugs just made no sense.
All I have to say is beautiful, wonderful watch you made there. You are what I would call a watch modder. I have been doing the same since the '70's when I want to change mine out to something different. These guys that do parts swapping I do not call watch modders. Also, the people that hate on homages, why aren't they hating on Marc at LI watch. Isn't that what he is pushing himself.
Hi Spencer. Trolls suck. I've concluded that FaceTwitterChat should be collectively called anti-social media. That's discussion for another day however.
Your passion for Seiko is remarkable, but expecting faithful reissues may be unrealistic. Companies rarely do so, and not just in horology. To be successful a company must continually move forward. I believe that this is what Seiko is doing whether you agree with their plan or not. But not to fear, these small (and frequently Chinese) watch manufacturers are filling this niche with watches such as the one you have. Accept it, revel in it, and don't bemoan that it doesn't say Seiko on the dial. Life is short.
Nice to hear some love for hardlex, I'm with you on that. On the subject of reissues, as well as the Arnie I would add that the Samurai save the ocean they released last year is worth praise, beautiful attention to detail on the dial and bezel including flat neatly applied markers!
Love ya man! Keep up the excellent work. Absolutely love those longer reviews
Thanks, and good to know.
Great series, I look forward to seeing where you take this ultimately.
I just received the Rdunae R2X 6106-8110 homage Saturday 11/4. I ordered it based off your videos and thoughts on it. Thanks so much for your videos. So, I had the Steeldive SD1970 homage and sold it and ordered the Rdunae and I am so glad I did. I am seriously considering swapping the NH35 for a better movement but I don't know much about the movements. Do you have any recommendations for such a project for a guy who is very mechanically inclined, even on small stuff, but doesn't have the "watch" experience as of yet? I will be ordering a timegrapher, recommendations on that also? I have seen the ones listed on Amazon for about $150 to $170, are those good enough for the hobiest?
I just bought one of these too, and I agree - they did a pretty good job on many aspects.
I had trouble getting the bezel back on, too... I finally figured out you have to take out the bezel insert out to get the retaining spring in, but once you do that, it is a piece of cake... I just wish I had known that before I slightly bent the bezel :( But that's what I get for being impatient and not thinking it well through before trying.
You should do a tutorial of the install...
Has anyone swam with these Rdunae watches? I doubt that they are tested for water resistance...I definitely would like to get one as a vacation watch for snorkelling but just don't want it to flood.
Greetings ! Another Great video , Thanks ! I had seen a video on the watch repair channel comparing the 4R35 movement and the NH35A movement and it seems they are identical . The machining marks on the bridges were exactly the same . Anyway , I was wondering what you thought of the 4R35 movement ?
Also , I've always thought that unless you are a collector , that it's silly to buy a watch that you are afraid to wear every day ..... Keep up the good work .... :)
Damn I was hoping you’d take the hands and dial off that Rdunae - curious about that spacer you mentioned
I'll need to do that anyway as I want to use the handset on something else, possibly.
Spencer Klein please let us know or make a part 3 😎
My biggest gripe is the crystal. Not because of the sapphire, but because of the lack of bevel. Hate that you can see the black chapter ring really wish it was like the actual 6105 and it had the look of the indecies reaching out to the bezel. Purchased one and thinking of getting a SKX crystal to get a better look.
A lot of that is due to the markers not being fully truly flat like the originals.
I think I found the company that makes all these brands. I’m having one made with my own logos on it and the dial, crown everything. I let you know how it goes.
If you're willing to share that info, please let me know. :)
@@SpencerKleinVintageWatch In case you want to look at the services they give through San Martin on AliExpress. First the 6105: www.aliexpress.com/item/4000126030020.html?spm=a2g0o.store_home.productList_650692025.pic_2
Then the customization: www.aliexpress.com/item/4000362800045.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000023.12.12694960vXzygG
It took a lot of digging about 3 months. I’ll message you on IG with the the info.
Dear Spencer, did you already remove the hands and the dial? If so, could you please give us an update about the spacer below the dial? This would be so kind. Best regards, Uwe
Gosh, that was so long ago I've completely forgotten, I'm sorry.
I am going to do this to my WR watch 6105 Willard. Get an aftermarket 6105 dial, use a new Oreint Star F series movement which a super 6000 series and get an aftermarket 6105 chapter ring. Hopefully the new Orient movement will take the existing crown and stem.
Sorry for late viewing of your video sir. I wonder how you put a 6000 series in a case where it is intended with 7000 series because as far as I know, the 6000 series is exactly at 4 oclock while the 7000 series specially that 7s 4r NH is at around 3: 48 ..now will that fit directly or you have something being adjusted ?
I had to make the 7002 date-at-4 date wheel work on the 4R movement. Took a minute, but I did it.
Thanks for the interesting video - people have opinions and then other people who disagree start insulting them. As before, I love my Steeldive homages and we are told all these homages come from the same factories so maybe this Rdunae (catchy name) is no different or maybe its slightly better - that may be the same for the San Martin version too. The point is, they look great, are good timekeepers, and very wearable and we don't need to worry about them being too valuable (we can always get anothher one). But why haven't Seiko done these themselves? Maybe they make enough from selling loads of their movements - maybe even indeed they make more than if they made the Willards cheap themselves - this way they have more cachet. Who understands the marketing of Seiko?
rdunae released a 6105 8010 called the redunae R2X, it is amazing.
Have you done a more detailed explination of the dial and movement rings that need to be adjusted/swapped out? I'd like to undertake this project and I was hoping for some of your great knowledge.
Spencer your a good person and I enjoy your reviews.
First time I saw you so excited for a modding work. Other than the repairing ones.
Well, I kind of viewed the Rectangula as a source of spare parts, mostly the case, from the start. On the dial / hands / movement, I have all of them here, orphaned. They're not from a particular watch, they're all spares I've found loose over the years.
Nice job!
Please do a review on the new 6105-8110 they made!?
Nice job , looks very nice. Ignore those that write insults
I’ve been looking to buy one of the homage watches so I decided to buy this one . Just waiting now till it arrives
Loved it! But did you put that little drag wire in before pressing the bezel back on?
Click wire first, then tucked the retaining wire into the gap in the case with the points holding down the rotating ring. Then the insert back on.
Master Jedi Spencer 👍
That'd be nice except I form and maintain personal relationships based on emotions. I'm the opposite of "detached". So, I'd be a Grey Jedi at the absolute best.
@@SpencerKleinVintageWatch absolutely the best in my book you are Master Grey Jedi🙏
To avoid wearing your 6105,check out the Steeldive version on albai watch store on Aliexpress.I have one and it's awesome right down to the original pattern on the crown.....................................
Awesome! So we can buy these and ship them right to your place for upgrading then?? Lol
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Seriously, it looks great. I'm not mad at it.
Reluming the stop light to pink would improve the look dramatically imho.
Thank you Spencer for your very usefull video
I have a Rdunae r2x watch and I would like to change the dial. The r2x is 4 o'clock crown. On the internet I can find dials 3.8 or 4.2, but not 4 exactly
Do you know if a 3.8 or 4.2 could fit my Rdunae ?
Thanks at lot !
David
Cobbled together parts to get it working 👍🆗
Very Nice sir
Superb!
Are the dial feet on the rdunae for an nh35 as in 3 oclock, but with the movemrnt holder holes set up to a 4?
Date wheel is different to align with crown-at-4. Like a 7002.
@@SpencerKleinVintageWatch did you ever find out the additional spacer under the dial?
Spencer. You rock. If anyone. Say nagative. Comment. Just. Dont let people rule. Your. Life ok
Awesomeness! That was fun.
Hi Spencer, I was wondering what crystal would you recommend for this Mod please....? I hate Blue AR it ruins the look imho.
You can find a generic 31.5mm flat crystal at 2.5mm online. Jules Borel has them, for example. You can just call them up I think.
Actually I like it better with Rdunae branding. I don't want to pretend that I have an original 6105-8000 but I like the style of it, so this is the reasonable solution. There is a great demand for these classic reissues, Seiko ignores us, so shame on them. I would buy this same watch from Seiko for 500 bucks hands down just for the legacy of the brand but they seem not need my money so I buy it from Chine for 200.
Hmmm. Thinking I might buy one and put a MM300 dial and handset in it.
Thank you spencer for all your info I love this watch can you tell me how my running gears really or mind keep stopping if I move it starts
I got a lot of flak on a local Seiko forum for buying a San Martin 62 mas. Left them and new Seiko watches behind.
First time watching very good
Thanks and welcome
Interesting, I thought saphire was more clear and with less distortion effects than hardlex or acrylic etc.
I mean that when comparing same shapes. Not a domed vs a flat.
As for the AR, I'm not obsessed with it. I find it as one of those things watch enthusiasts just get passionnate over as a habit more than anything else. It's not as bad as the " oh my god it has no screw down crown " situation that is quite ridiculous though'
BUT I find some brands use a strong AR as a design feature, for example the Squale 1521 : I own one, and because it is completely flat and 100% aligned with the bezel, with a dial that pops out, and hands contrasting with the dial, it gives the impression that there is no saphire glass at all. Surprisingly, it adds depth ro an otherwise painted, flat dial. It's mesmerizing, and exceptionnely clear to read. I think that without AR it would be glaring everywhere and we'd loose that charm.
I am happy love your video I feel you no what your doing i am happy to see some one who cares about his work i just bought the same watch like your I hope some day to buy one of your 6105- 80000 anyway my fake 6105- 8000 keeps stopping mostly like when I go to bed I wear it all the time do you have any ideas a bout the stopping thanks keep up the good work ok
Spencer, Will the NH35 handset transfer to a 6000 series?
If Seiko took the new Willard's and dropped the price $200 and got rid on the prospex logo it would be perfect. Hell have Orient do it, have them put in their new 6000 series movements in a put a Suwa logo on the dial.
I love it Spencer! I want it!
Well, I have my fully put back together Rdunae here and it is available, if you wanted. If you were looking for it as I modded it, with genuine movement dial / hands etc, that setup is no more. But it was nice.
If the Rdunae has a 4 o’clock crown how does the date wheel of the NH35 line up with the date window? Did they make a custom date wheel? It’s my understanding that the date wheel on the NH35 will line up at the new standard of 3:45 like SKX, and 4:15, but not 4 O’clock, so what gives here?
Dang, man. That’s sad that people get so upset as to personally attack you over this. I’m sorry that happened.
Polywatch an some elbow grease will take off AR coating
I would to take a new turtle. Get a 6309 dial and swap in a 6000 series movement. Throw in sapphire crystal and a ceramic bezel while I am at it.
Spencer I have the Rdunae. Diver. Mine. Works. But it stop. It runs for a while but it stops. Can you tell me what it cost to redo it like the one you did. Please
Sorry to hear about the abuse. Some people believe vintage watches are a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.
very cool!
Spencer do you think a NOS 6105-8000 dial would go onto the NH35?
The feet are in the wrong place. You'd need to cut them. I strongly strongly strongly advocate against cutting the dial feet on any dial, never mind a 6105 dial.
Dear @@SpencerKleinVintageWatch thank you for your fast reply. I thought it was a good idea to ask a Pro before even thinking about doing something possibly really really stupid. I will for sure NOT destroy a 6105 dial. Promised. I was looking for a "drop in and OK" mod ;-)
Is it possible to mount the seiko dial on the NH35?
Great video...why would anyone be angry?
Really cool project. What would be the practical cost of one of these?
Depends on the dial and handset used, since those would be the biggest variable.
Get on with it mate..
Crown position wouldn’t work. Isn’t the crown position of the 6105 or 7000 series a true 4 o’clock crown versus 3:45 for NH35. And stock grey NH movement spacer is 1mm thinner than the 7S movement spacer for divers that you’d find in an SKX but they are otherwise the same.
These movements have a 4 0'clock date wheel. They drop in perfectly aligned for a 4 o'clock case.
I'd like to see Seiko making a new 6105-800x, but it's a bit like hoping Ford could start remaking the '68 Mustang. . . . .
I have a Seiko Arnie for sale Do you know where I would go about getting it to a collector
Is it possible to swap out the sapphire crystal with one of your 6105 crystal reproductions? Will it fit?
Nothing we have is in that size - 31.5mm. All the originals were 32mm
So generally you like Hardlex over Sapphire?
Yes. Hardlex will scratch maybe, but it's very hard to shatter. It's resilient. This is why it was originally used for dive / tool watches. Sapphire will resist scratching but if gets hit hard enough it'll shatter, and then poof goodbye watch potentially. Sapphire became a thing (IMO) when watches started being more fashion than tool, and a cosmetic blemish like a scratch became a much bigger deal.
Very cool
I know it's not iso rated but can I trust the water resistance on these watches?
I need to do a pressure test.
@@SpencerKleinVintageWatch that would be awesome