The Holy Spirit & Tongues - David K. Bernard & Jared Runck
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- David K. Bernard and Jared Runck, Academic Dean and Assistant Professor of Biblical and Theological Studies at Urshan College, discuss biblical teachings about the Holy Spirit and tongues as well as related practical considerations. This live broadcast was recorded in the UPCI media studio on April 23, 2019.
When I was in my twenties I took Dr. Bernard's external studies courses on THE ONENESS OF GOD and THE NEW BIRTH via Kent Christian College. Dr. Bernard's teachings were indelibly written on my heart. At that time I prayed that the Lord would use David Bernard's persuasive teachings on television so that multitudes would be converted to the true Apostolic Faith. I truly believe that God is going to use these kinds of videos on CZcams to persuade thousands and perhaps millions over time. May the Lord lead Dr. Bernard to keep recording and posting his teachings on this channel.
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I have both of his teachings, and they are excellent study tools.
When I was baptize in Jesus name I received the Holy Spirit and started talking in tongue thank you Jesus 👐🏼
I got Baptized in Jesus name while on duty with US Army tour of duty I found this church with much prayer I didn't have an address nor phone number I was desperate to find fellowship with those who believe in Oneness in Seoul South Korea in 1971 I was 21 years old young g I I'm now 73 years still praising his Name UPCI here in Delhi CA Turlock I grew up in southern California beach town of Wilmington near long beach ⛱️⛱️⛱️
@@davidortega357nice I stay in Wilmington!!
I was born again at 15 years old and spoke in tongues at 23 years old. I was definitely born again prior to receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit. So there you have it. The same Spirit that led me to salvation in the Baptist Church was the exact same Spirit that gave me the gift of speaking in tongues in a Spirit filled/Pentecostal church. Same spirit.
When you bring the unexplainable experience of the Holy Ghost into contact with someone who has divine revelation, then you can begin to stand before men and explain to them intelligently this thing called baptism in fire with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Such a beautiful thing to see this in the last days. Thank you Jesus for the revelation!!
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@@derekbaker777 baptism with the Holy Spirit and fire mean we are saves by teing born again and we are condemned for not being born again ! fire= wrath of God as in '' the lake of fire'"' But the blind cannot see the light. The TEXT itself explain this Luke3: 16 16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; (born again) but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable( not born again)
@@derekbaker777 only a sign a dove is also a sign but only a sign the Holy spirit is not a bird
@@derekbaker777 absolutely not Jesus CANNOT LIE but men do.
@@michelhaineault6654: Just obey Christ and the Bible, and you'll do just fine. Acts 2:38🕊
What a great conversation! Very very good! God bless you all!
I received the Holy Ghost on Oct 3rd, 1999 at age 19, and I also spoke in tongues just like the Apostles did on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-4, and I was instantly delivered and set free from multiple drug addictions, cigarettes, alcohol and many other sinful things I was bound by, so I can testify to the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues being real and genuine, but I've had ppl that reject "tongues" question my experience and say that it must of been Satan who was messing with me, and caused me to speak gibberish, and it was a Baptist preacher who said this to me, but Satan would not deliver and set someone free from substance abuse addictions, nor does the devil have the ability to do so. If anything, Satan would want me to remain addicted so I would die in my sins. "By their fruits ye shall know them" the Bible says. Acts 2:38🕊
So you spoke a different language so that a people who don’t speak and understand your native language can understand you teach the truth of the gospel?
@@teachmetruth3539: Preaching the gospel has nothing to do with speaking in tongues. When I say "gospel" I'm referring to the entire Bible as a whole. Speaking in tongues is the result of being infilled with the Holy Ghost, and it's ppls worship language when they are in the Spirit. When Preachers get up on the pulpit to preach they don't do so while speaking in tongues, or else nobody would be able to understand a word they were saying. And giving a prophetic message to the Church in tongues isn't the same as the initial tongues ones speaks in when they first receive the Holy Ghost, and that's an additional gift all by itself and is one of the nine gifts of the Spirit spoken of in (1 Corinthians 12:4-10). This is where knowing how to "Rightfully Divide" the Word of God comes into play. Peter didn't get up on the day of Pentecost after the Apostles received the Holy Ghost in Acts 2:1-4, and preach John 3:16. No, Peter preached Acts 2:38, and (Acts 2:39) assures us that the promise of the Holy Ghost, which is our "Comforter" is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off; even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
@@derekbaker777 when they spoke in tongues in chapter 2 of acts they spoke different actual languages to the visiting scattered Jews from all over the world. Only 3 thousand believed and They took home the truth of God to the world. That was God pouring out his spirit (truth) on all flesh. They weren’t speaking gibberish like they do in churches today.
@@teachmetruth3539: No, you have it wrong. The ppl standing around the Apostles that day thought the Apostles were drunk on wine because they were speaking in tongues or "gibberish" as you refer to it, and the ppl standing around said in (Acts 2:12) "And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?" "Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine." (Acts 2:13). They didn't understand a word the Apostles were saying because they didn't even know what it meant, and thought the Apostles were drunk. And the reason why Christ chose "tongues" as the outward sign of the infilling of the Holy Ghost is because: "The tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison" (James 3:8), and Christ takes full command and control over the most unruly member of our body when ppl receive the Holy Ghost. And (Isaiah 28:11) prophesied about it: "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams." (Acts 2:17). And about 3,000 souls were added to the Church that day, and (Acts 2:42) says: "They continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayer." And Paul the Apostle addresses the Church at Corinth and talks about "spiritual gifts" in (1 Corinthians 12:4-10) and one of the gifts is the "Interpretation of tongues" when one "prophesies" in tongues, which is for the edification of the Church, so what you label "gibberish" is actually Biblical, and you're bordering on the edge of "Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost," which is an unforgivable sin, so I'd be very careful and tread lightly if I were you about making fun of the Holy Ghost. I received the Spirit of Christ just like the Apostles did on the day of Pentecost, and millions upon millions of other Christians have also received the Holy Ghost by evidence of speaking in other tongues, and ppl from around the entire world from one end to the other and in between can testify to receiving the Holy Ghost, and it has saved and changed countless lives for the better, and if you weren't so stubborn with disbelief you could also receive the Holy Ghost because it's a promise to everyone who obeys Acts 2:38, so instead of doubting me why don't you put Christ to the test and see if the Word of God holds up to be true, and I guarantee that you'll see for yourself that I'm not lying and trying to deceive or trick you. I was instantly delivered and set free from multiple IV drug addictions, cigarettes, alcohol, lying, swearing, stealing and many other sinful things I was bound by, and Satan doesn't have the power, authority or ability to deliver and set ppl free from sin and addictions, nor would the devil even try to do such a thing because he seeks to bring as many ppl as possible to hell with him, so Satan isn't in the business of delivering ppl from drug addictions and other sinful things. I have nothing to lose or gain by lying and trying to mislead you, and all I'm doing is testifying to you about Christ infilling me with the Holy Ghost like he did to the Apostles and millions upon millions of other ppl as well. And I don't believe we have much time left before the rapture, so if I were you I'd be sprinting down to the alter, repent and ask God to infill you with the Holy Ghost, which is the Spirit of Christ. Acts 2:38🕊
@@derekbaker777 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Acts 2:5-11 KJV
You conveniently quoted before and after this part of Acts chapter 2. This is blatant - undisputed, and documented proof that this event was to reach those of other nationalities and languages(tongues), clearly listed, in the above passage. I go to a pentecostal church, and though I have disagreements with our organization over this subject, what I will give them is this; that even they won't let people get confused over the difference in tongues between Acts chapter 2("other" tongues), and the "unknown" tongues in 1 Corinthians - which STILL requires interpretation, or as Paul said, keep it to yourself.
It is always a blessing to heard from Rev. David K. Bernard on the Apostolic doctrine. May the Lord Jesus continue to blessing his ministry..
Thank you LORD Jesus, for the Truth! I read it and experienced for myself. It was life changing for me. Glory to God!!🕊📖🕊💥🔥💥🙌🙌
Hey as long as Jesus is being preached, to God be the Glory!
Brother Bernard was talking so down to earth ..on this discussion ..👍 Blessings! To you all!
A comprehensive and definitive explanation on the subject that is so critical and essential to our relationship with Christ.
May God Bless his Servant Bernard and expand his life expectancy ❤️🙏 Glory to God for using such man in this time..
As a pastor of a small newer work in the LORD (we are oneness pentecostal, but not UPC), I am both thankful and humbled by this video speaking about the HOLY GHOST and tongues. I can honestly say that I have been "gently corrected" by the teaching of Dr. Bernard in this video, about some of my own words concerning the baptism of the HOLY GHOST, and speaking in tongues (not that we do not believe in those things, but my "application" in teaching certain things, things that I have said in the past (those things will now be IN THE PAST). Thank you so much or these podcasr videos that you do about GOD'S HOLY WORD. MUCH APPRECIATED. Pastor J.W. Brand
Thanx so much for this teaching. So many ppl I witness to ask so many of these questions you have raised & now answered. God Bless you and family Bro Bernard...
This is how I had I been talking to people about this and This one was 100% confirmation
I was exposed to Pentecostalism since birth being raised Apostolic since birth my parents came out of rcc became apostolic they spoke in tongues too when in prayer or worship my parents spoke spanish. We attended a spanish speaking church most were mexican or mexican american in Los Angeles area during the 1950-1960 too the present im bilingual i speak a little spanish when i got drafted into the Army i got sent to south Korea i met brother david Bernard he was only 14 years old hisvparents were missionaries for the UPCI.
I'll say Amen
David Bernard is a treasure
He’s a heretic
@@michaelmannucci8585 Feel free to debate him & prove him wrong.
Jesus is the treasure.
Blessed by Dr . Bernards preaching
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God Bless You too bro.
i have subscribed your amazing channel
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indeed bro, God bless
He’s a heretic
@@michaelmannucci8585you have made a claim with zero evidence. Your words are useless.
Great Video! Dr. David Bernard is called to proclaim and defend the gospel in this kind of format. There is a great need to produce many persuasive videos on the Oneness of God and the true New Birth of Water and Spirit. May the Lord bless Brother Bernard to keep producing more videos like this one.
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Question: Are members of the UPC who have repented, and baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, but do not speak in tongues, are they saved?
approvedofGod not according to the UPC.
@@approvedofGod yeah! Because only Christ Jesus who baptized believers with Spirit and fire; John the Baptist spoke about in Luke 3:16
@@frederickntumba3662
I agree with you!
@@jlar1984
That is the same message I got from many of them. I disagree with them.
My aunt Louise Smith was in my young church in 1990-1995. She was 77 years old seeking the holy ghost. One night while we were in service with another pentecostal church she felt the holy ghost over her
She said I have words I feel I need to speak but not English
My daughter in law told her
When you feel them say them
I said the same thing
A few minutes passed
She felt the words again
She began to say them out loud
She began speaking in other tongues
I have the gift of interpretation of tongues
I wait for the holy ghost to tell me the first words
So I now feel the spirit may give us the first words
When we obey the holy ghost takes over
This is my opinion and I feel it is of God
Excellent talk & teaching.
I am really enjoying this. Thank you!
He’s a heretic
@@derekbaker777 Whatever you say, I will side with 2000 years of Church history as opposed to a movement that started 100 years ago (Pentecostalism).
Also, 1 Corinthians 12:30 refutes your whole heretical movement.
@@michaelmannucci8585: My grandmother use to be Catholic until God filled her with the Holy Ghost and lead her out of the Catholic cult. You have missed the mark and do err in your doctrinal beliefs. Acts 2:38🕊
@@derekbaker777 And you have violated Proverbs 18:13 by assuming I am Catholic. If you want to believe it wasn't until 1913 (When the Oneness Pentecostal heresy started) that people figured out the truth, that's your prerogative. But I will stick with the Gospel of Paul, 1900 years earlier, from the first century, and heed his warning in Galatians 1:8.
@@michaelmannucci8585: You can believe whatever you want. I received the Holy Ghost just like the Apostles received on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-4, so that must make me a heretic also by your standards. And the only reason why I referenced Catholic is because 99% of Italians are Roman Catholic, but I apologize for assuming you were. Btw, Paul the Apostle wrote 2/3rds of the N.T.
Praise the Lord, he is amazing I like the doctrine that he teaches it so powerful.
Thank you for this video as I’m asking and allowing God to let me talk in tongues in public as a sign that I have the holly Ghost; as I had only speak in tongues in my dreams …..
Great interviewer and information 🥰
I was raised Apostolic. I am hearing today from the pulpit leader "let's all speak in tongues right now". I cannot do this on my own unction, such as turning it off and on like a water faucet. The holy scriptures say "as the Spirit gives the utterance" though the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet".
Was he saying it during alter call? If so he was probably just trying to build an atmosphere of faith that is conducive to the Holy spirit.
@@mikerobertson4041 are you just skipping over the part that says “the one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself?” If not then I have to ask, have you spoken in tongues? Because if you you haven’t then you are directly disobeying pauls teachings in this same passage he says “I want you ALL to speak in tongues” 14:5 Also if you haven’t spoken in tongues then my friends this same passage Paul call you an unbeliever 14:21-22
"Let not your good be evil spoken of." "Be not a hearer of the word only, be a doer also." "Better to walk it than to talk it." "The blind may never know the beauty of a rainbow, but he can know the cool breeze though the rain. One is not greater than the other."
I don’t know much Bible,but I think he is right Praise The Lord God Jesus Christ Ameen
Excellent teaching!
Thank for the teaching as I am so thankful for the rightly dividing of the word of God. I was raised up in deferent teaching, they think they know God but far from it. We went to church not knowing that we have to worship him in spirit and it truth. We thought just to do good and God will save us. I like to give an honour to those that sacrificed their life and left America to spread the truth. I thank God for burden that he lay on peoples heart and courage to teach and preach the truth. I am very encouraged by the work that the Holy Ghost does among all nations. We have been recording the fastest phenomenon among the believers, has never before the revival of the end time is greater than the former outpouring of the power of God. Even in this Pandemic God still move on people repent from sins and got baptised in Jesus name and still fill soul with his spirit. Amen, praise the name Jesus, he is worthy to receive honour and glory for grace and mercy that reach out to every colour, to every language and to every nation. God bless America and all nation that help to send witness to all places of the world. Amen.
Great discussion; great word! Believe this one will soon have 100k views.
Thank you Dr Bernard
Great job explaining this.
From my experience in the UPC, tongues were most of the time, not a human language used for building up the church and most of the time were not interpreted. I saw ministers coaching people to speak in tongues. On a biblical basis, the gift of prophecy is a greater gift and the fruits of the Spirit are a clear sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Your character is changed. Not everyone speaks in tongues and when it happened in Acts 2, there was a gathering of Jews for Pentecost who spoke various languages. The miracle was the Holy Spirit enabled the 120 to speak in those languages not having learned them in order to share the good news.
The word " tongues" in the N.T.s original language is singular not plural. It is one spiritual language. In Acts ch.2 upon Recieving the Holy Spirit the apostles all began speaking in the same one spiritual language. The miracle for those in the crowd was one of hearing what the apostles were saying in their own languages not of the apostles speaking them. This is evidenced by the fact that three times those in the crowd asked " How Hear we them in our own languages " ?
@@robertnieten7259 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, *because each one heard their own language being spoken.* Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? Acts 2:6-8
The context shows they spoke those languages and those who gathered heard those languages. I don't think you can make that argument from the exegesis of the text. Now it is true the word for tongues is in the singular but it simply means "the tongue" or "the language" meaning the language of each respective nation that came for Pentecost. I know you have to pigeon hole your exegesis as a oneness believer because oneness teaches that the languages were heavenly. but if we just let the bible speak, it will humble our traditions.
@@andys3035 What native languages did Paul pray in when he prayed in " tongues" in private ?
@@robertnieten7259 the Bible doesn't say. If you're referring to 1 Corinthians 13, you'd be hard pressed to say it was a heavenly language.
@@andys3035 In the original Greek, that the N.T. was written in , our English word " tongues" is singular not plural. It means " another language" and " a language" both singular so in Acts ch.2 when the apostles recieved the Holy Spirit they began to speak in " another language"( as a group) or the began to speak in " a language"( as a group) meaning they all began to speak in one language.
That's not my personal opinion of what it means, that's what it does mean according to the original Koine Greek.
Fantastic!!!!
Real question. My wife and I, by the grace of our Lord Jesus have been given a radio station. ( from a Rhema Trinitarian guy) and we plan on using it to spread the truth of oneness and baptism in the name of Jesus. Would be cool to get some people like you Mr. Bernard to be on our radio
Just shooting my shot
Excellent 🙌
I’d like to hear brother Bernard speak on the unknown tongue.
1 Corinthians 14:2-19
King James Version
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries
what is the mystery there?? Unknown languages = FOREIGN LANGUAGES (normal nobody in the church could not understand :) )
Mr bernar pls can u explain when the bible says John was filled with the holy ghost from the womb ?? How about in John when Jesus breathed on the apostles? What about acts 8? No tongues were recorded...also Paul's converting didn't record tongues when h we received the hg and ik we know he spoke in tongues but he spoke in tongues subsequently to his salvation process...please get back to me🤗
Who is this luke theeofer person that David Bernard said the upc believes that he is inspired by the Holy Spirit?
Luke, the author of the Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts
David is 100%apostolic, a perfect example and understanding of the blood work
Speaking in tongues is not salvation, however, it is part of salvation. No such thing as once saved, always saved. IF you're saved THEN you're saved. He who endures until the end is who is saved
Speaking in tongues, initially, is like receiving your drivers license after passing all of the tests necessary as proof you passed!
This denial of O.S.A.S. is what has kept me away from Oneness Pentecostal churches. I do belief God is not a tri personal being.
But if you can lose your salvation after receiving the gift of the Spirit with evidence, then there is no hope, and Christ died in vain.
Bro D does not teach that the Spirit filled have gone and sinned no more. This error goes along with the theory that the born again can backslide.
For a born again to sin, he would have to become uncrucified.
His position to prove is a uphill battle.
Here is some primary scripture to hold onto regarding the consistency from Acts2 - Ephesians. "Promise of the holy spirit ".
"In him you also were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed.
Ephesians 1:13 CSB"
I’m a Trinitarian Pentecostal but I agree with what Bernard is saying here
I'm devoutly dedicated to Pentecost but I've heard people say that the evidence of tongues is not consistent and repeated every day
Deuteronomy 18:22
“When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”
Great video
John 10:27,28
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:”
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
Dr. Bernard, im also UPC from Philippines. I just have a question, lot of documents are requiring us to fill out "what is your religion?". What should be our answer? "What is your religion?". Thankyou for answering. Godbless.
Hi brother!! I'm from Philippines also.. In our congregation,, we use "Apostolic pentecostals" or just simply "Pentecostals" as a religion..
A paz do SENHOR JESUS, faço um pedido para vocês colocarem legendas para Brasileiros ....
What about the scripture that says i would rather have you prophesi then speak in tongues. What is this is this after the initial. Though in the same scripture not all will speak in tongues.
1 Corinthians 3:16
“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
Edit: When I say speaking in tongues, below, I’m referring to “praying in tongues,” which is very different! :)
I grew up Baptist-they do *not* believe or teach in speaking in tongues, 😂 but God was in my heart from as far back as I can remember. I was always sensitive to the spirit and pleasing God.
God spoke to me, supernaturally saved me from a bad car wreck, and I had a deep relation with Him *before* I ever started speaking in tongues.
I learned from a Sid Roth video that all believers can pray in tongues-he basically said you just have to open your mouth and with faith, start speaking. I did, and all kinds of words and syllables just flowed out of me, and I even sang in tongues-beauty harmonies and sounds that must have been the spirit.
I am new to speaking in tongues. I was skeptical at first of whether or not it was really the Holy Spirit speaking through me. Don’t forget, I grew up Baptist! 😂 I asked God to show me, and He has. I’ve been in 3 bad situations since I started speaking in tongues since mid April, and almost *immediately* when I started praying in tongues, the situation turned around. It’s been incredible.
I don’t want to shut the door on anything that can draw me closer to God, and I am SO thankful to have learned about this. I was simply “closed off” to it before. I had often heard it was of the devil.
Do I think I wasn’t saved before I started speaking in tongues? No.... the Bible says if you confess Jesus with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9.
I’m curious though... was my ability to speak in tongues always there had I just known and opened my mouth? I think so. I had to get through many barriers though having grown up Baptist! God has been working on me the past several years and I’ve been listening more and more to charismatic type teachings. ❤️
God bless you! I'm thankful for where He has lead you!
So your question about when tongues will come and the scripture text in Romans 10:9, I pray I can be a help🙂
So in Romans 10:9-13, or anywhere it states believing on Jesus Christ you will notice that it says you "shall" be saved. Never you "are" saved. See what I mean? (Also know that the book of Romans was Paul's letters to the Church of Rome who was already saved by what you read in Acts 2:1-4, 37-39)
The Word says that when someone comes to God they must believe that He is, and that He rewards those who diligently seek Him.
So believing is first, and when you want to receive His Spirit you worship Him and seek His Spirit and when He officially fills you, boom the tongues will follow as a sign you are now filled with His Spirit.
John 3:7-8 KJV
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. [8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
In the text above notice how Jesus mentioned the wind, and those born of the Spirit. So you can't hear wind until it hits an object, and when His Spirit hits (fills/enter) the individual worshipping/seeking He flows out of them after filling them fully and you hear the sound (unknown tongue) thereof.
Also Paul writing to the Church in Corinth (I Corinthians 14) that tongues are for a sign.
You see we can feel Him, and know He's here before we officially receive Him into our heart. I hope I could help❤
Noah Anderson, you are so kind to write, and these are some interesting points you bring up worth looking into! Thank you so much, and God bless you! 🙏🏻😊
but NOBODY TO INTERPRET :)
Michel Haineault, in regards to what? I’m not understanding what you’re saying. :)
@@PeaceIsYeshua to the gibberish their is no possibility of interpretation because it's not a true human language as at the Pentecost.
I have spoken In tongues one time in my life.
How and or why have I not spoken in tongues sense?
T B Barratt was asked if there is some exception when it comes to tongues being the visible sign. Pastor Barratt answered: "I don't wanna be that exception".
NO !!
David Bernard said the speaking of tongues is a language of cultural today like Spanish or French as example. But what I have heard is just jibberish. Can someone please explain that to me
As you do a word search on tongues you will come across “known”/“unknown” tongues . Unknown may sound like Jibberish. But it is Gods spirit speaking for you and is not like human communication. Tongues is a spirit and flesh unified communion with God that allows Us to do spiritual warfare that’s specifically directed by God. Our spirit Is edified as well. Speaking in known tongues are usually for the benefit of someone who is nearby that may be listening. God ALWAYS has multiple purposes at the same time and tongues is one example. For example: you could be at the Alter in church praying and then God fills you with His promise . As you are speaking in tongues you here jibberish but then after 5 minutes it sounds like French to you.
1. God just verified to you that this is real to help you verify it’s authenticity.
2. Someone from France could be walking by in that service and heat you speak with a dialect that they haven’t heard since they were a young person from their homeland. Now this verifys to the person that God is real; especially with whatever message you are speaking from God to them.
3. After this experience God starts leading you to go reach people in Quebec Canada where some people speak some French.
*. The known language in tongues is not Gods purpose for every time you speak in tongues. There are more languages in the world than you may know. Listen to the pigmys for example. There are some languages that sound like clicks and grunts . You really have to judge your personal experience by the fruit it produces afterwards. Ask yourself is there a peace or a burden for someone or a conviction felt. There is lot to be said on that question.
Thank you. So unknown tongue well it be also the tongue of angels..
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: (John 20:22) Would this not also account for another example of a direct experience?
Good point ! When Jesus told the apostles," Recieve ye the Holy Spirit" He wasn't saying it was so right then. The word " recieve", in the original Koine Greek that the N.T. was written in means to " take hold of". This basically is telling them that when the Holy Spirit is given to man, in Acts ch.2, to take hold of the Holy Spirit by diligently seeking for and asking for the Spirit and by praising God until it happens. Basically this is what tarrying is and that's what the 120 in Acts ch.2 were doing when The Holy Spirit was poured out .The outward first evidence that they had recieved was speaking in "tongues" which according to the Greek is defined as " another language" and " a language" both singular.
Before the Lord told them this He breathed on them. The natural reaction when someone blows air in your face is to breath in.
A physical baby breathes in and crys. A spiritual baby breathes in the Holy Spirit and speaks in the spiritual language ,which in the English, is to speak in " tongues".
@Robert Nieten And yet if you read the text closely, it says:
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
So - you're telling me because Thomas wasn't present - he did not "tale hold of" the promise and did not receive the Holy Spirit like the rest in Acts 2? This would directly contradict what Acts 2 says - they were all filled.
Also - the Bible doesn't say they were seeking the Spirit - they were obeying Jesus' words - but to say this is to grab ahold of the "let God and let God" theology, which diminishes God into whatever we let him / don't let him do. He is Sovereign.
Question: Are members of the UPC who have repented, and baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, but do not speak in tongues, are they saved?
Believers will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Salvation plan has not been completed
John 3:5 except a man be born of water AND of the SPIRIT he CANNOT ENTER into the kingdom of God.
According to scripture, only God can answer this question. It is a matter of a clear conscience toward God.
Allison Davis I received the gift and I am not a UPCI member.
What about people who are mute and do not have a tongue ?
Yeah, and what if their head was chopped off too!!
If they are filled with the Holy Ghost God will speak through them signs of sounds.
Is it common that God would give a message in tongues a lot and is it common thing to give the message and interpret by the same person ?
With the current lockdown or with inability to travel is there any online or Zoom meeting of the Oneness group that can be accessed on Zoom?
What verse specifically states tongues is required for salvation? Since salvation is such an important topic, please be specific, without speculation.
Tongues were never required for salvation.. Holy Ghost is.. There were just saying that there's a consistent proof/evidence of someone receiving and being filled with the Holy Ghost..
They gave you the verses and the reason behind it at the start. This (speaking in tounges) is that spoken of by the prophet Joel
@@douglasarnold5310 You are adding to the verse. Here is the context: vs 11b we hear them in our own tongues speaking the mighty deeds of God . . . saying to one another, " What does this mean?"
The question wasn't about tongues as you understand the term, but what they heard was their own languages. You are looking at this passage from the readers perspective and not the perspective of the Jews present. What they heard would be the same as someone telling you the mighty deeds of God in English. Which in reality is prophetic or prophecy. Which is why Peter answered with, "This is what was spoken by the prophet Joel . . . I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind. . . Your sons and daughters shall PROPHESY . . . and they shall PROPHESY." And this is exactly what the Jews would have understood. Also, in Acts 19:6 Luke writes, "and they began speaking in tongues and PROPHESYING." This was one single event. It doesn't say the spoke with tongues and also prophesied.
@@exsorcamacho9114 Which is not stated in any bible passage.
@@TheLayman316 all of the accounts in the book of acts,, when a believer or group of believers ware filled with the Spirit,, they've spoken in other tongues.. That's how the early church was born.. It is until today..
Question: Is the sign of speaking in tongues for the saved - or - are you saved because you spoke in tongues?
That's a good question! So when the Holy Spirit enters/fills the individual seeking, they will begin to speak in the unknown tongue as a sign they recieved the Spirit. Tongues is not the Holy Spirit but a sign you have received it. Make sense?
John 3:7-8 KJV
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. [8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
You see His Spirit is like wind, His Breath of Life, Him in action.
You never hear wind until it hits an object, so His Spirit hits an individual (enters them and fills them fully) and boom you hear the sound (tongue/unknown language) thereof like Jesus said.
Also remember that Paul told the Church in Corinth (I Corinthians 14) that tongues are for a sign.
I hope I could help, God bless you!
NONE ! Speaking in tongues was in fact a simple gift and not the greatest.
Acts16:31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized. 34 The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God-he and his whole household.
PS= Nobody begin to speak in tongues :) And also they where baptize at night in the jailer house ... by immersion ??? LOL absolutely impossible.
Tongues complete the new birth experience as part of water baptism in Jesus name Acts 2 38
@@michelhaineault6654 "by immersion ??? LOL absolutely impossible" Were you there? You make a claim that is impossible to prove. Many I am sure had water for washing and could be used for baptism. Not all speak in tongues right away, but soon do as they willingly give their will over to God. Unbelief in the gifts of God will not receive them. .
@@hargisP2 yes the jailer had a nice swimming pool in his house :) It was a beach party :)
Amen
Yes and amen!
Bro Bernhard knows what other churches say regards Biblical doctrines, he's in touch with the errors out there, so he knows how to refute them with truth.
The only teaching regarding tongues scripture offers is I corinthians. Here we can understand what the gifts are and what they’re to be used for. It would be foolish to believe that the gifts of the spirit were only for early believers like many believe. We must seek the gifts. But I’m not sure about the teaching that all will speak in tongues. Not all heal the sick but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t saved. We all need to continue searching the scriptures to find the truth. Let’s not get too comfortable in our traditions.
Most Pentecostals look to Acts as an example of how to have salvation and Corinthians as a mix of teachings on THE gift of the Holy Spirit and the giftS of the Spirit.
I was watching the PTL. Program on t v they had Sid Roth on there he was teaching those he wanted to speak in other tongues he would say repeat after me say rah rah ma havhah cum sum baba real fast
David Ortega, oh, that’s odd! I learned from a Sid Roth video to speak in tongues, but he didn’t tell us what to speak-he said to just open our mouths and start speaking-he actually said to speak fast so that we weren’t thinking about what we were saying and so it was spirit led.
This is my story... and Pastor Robert Morris has some great teaching on tongues as a prayer language.
I grew up Baptist-they do *not* believe or teach in speaking in tongues, but God was in my heart from as far back as I can remember. I was always sensitive to the spirit and pleasing God.
God spoke to me, supernaturally saved me from a bad car wreck, and I had a deep relation with Him *before* I ever started speaking in tongues.
I learned from a Sid Roth video that all believers can pray in tongues-he basically said you just have to open your mouth and with faith, start speaking. I did, and all kinds of words and syllables just flowed out of me, and I even sang in tongues-beauty harmonies and sounds that must have been the spirit.
I am new to speaking in tongues. I was skeptical at first of whether or not it was really the Holy Spirit speaking through me. Don’t forget, I grew up Baptist! 😂 I asked God to show me, and He has. I’ve been in 3 bad situations since I started speaking in tongues since mid April, and almost *immediately* when I started praying in tongues, the situation turned around. It’s been incredible.
I don’t want to shut the door on anything that can draw me closer to God, and I am SO thankful to have learned about this. I was simply “closed off” to it before. I had often heard it was of the devil.
Do I think I wasn’t saved before I started speaking in tongues? No.... the Bible says if you confess Jesus with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9.
I’m curious though... was my ability to speak in tongues always there had I just known and opened my mouth? I think so. I had to get through many barriers though having grown up Baptist! God has been working on me the past several years and I’ve been listening more and more to charismatic type teachings. ❤️
Peace is Yahoshua AKA Jesus
Hi! I just noticed a slight thing I i think in one of your last paragraphs. I think the slight error is just that you always had the ability to speak in tongues. We don’t have the ability to do that. God does it. And I think that’s the issue in today’s church. I can’t chose when that happens really. Some people make it sound like we can just do it. We can’t Make it happen. But we can pray through so that we do speak in tongues frequently. We can do it! But it’s from God, not through our own ability.
You probably know that. It just made me think. I’m sorry for being technical. LOVE YOUR TESTIMONY
YES!!
What would you say about speaking in tongues during a worship service let’s say. It’s not for interpretation but rather the spirit just pouring out and then the whole church begins.
Amen 🙏
I speak in tongues and it feels good,,,no one will take this experience from me.
Amen hallelujah 🔥
In acts 2 ...there are the twelve Apostles ..but in acts 9 and onwards..there is apostle Paul as for the gentiles where church begins but the church first never begins in Acts 2.
One of the false teachings going around is the tongues were only given to the 12 apostles. And the tongues they were given, was so they would have the ability to teach the gospel in other countries! As if each was given some a different fluent language so they could easily have a conversation in another tongue! How do you answer such nonsense?
It's nonsense, and there is no proof of that, let's not allow people to add to the gospel, nowhere does it say that went preaching in all those nations in there tongue in the spirit, to minister the gospel to them, it sounds like the same group of people that say tongues have been done away with, or that it is not speaking in tongues if others can't hear you speak there language, it is a result of the operation of the spirit unto prophecy, but it took place during them being baptized, this experience from what Paul describes in 1st cor. 14 the apostles in acts 2 did speak in tongues, but into prophecy, that wasn't them speaking in an unknown tongue, as Paul talked about, so there are 2 different manifestations of tongues. Bishop taught on this specifically
Pastor Bernard, Why don't apostolic Pentecostal churches teach believers that the word for " tongues" in the Koine Greek is singular and not plural. That speaking in " tongues" is speaking one spiritual language.
This cause confusion not only among Pentecostals but inquiring protestants who confuse it with the gift of speaking in " tongues" with the accompanied gift of interpretation.
I've come to believe since my last comment that the Word " tongues" is only plural in the sense that more than one believer is speaking in one spiritual language.
In Greece at Delphi the Oracle would muter sayings and then be translated by the priest of appolo I instantly thought of this when you said the demonic imitation
When I repented and confessed Jesus as Lord i did not speak with tounges, was i not saved? And if we must speak in tounges to have proof of Holy Ghost what about people before Azusa Street revival?
Just ask God to fill you with his Holy Spirit every time you pray! I asked God for about 4-5 months and I did a fast and I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Don’t focus on tongues, but focus on asking God to fill you with his spirit and baptize you, then it will happen natural! But Never stop asking, just keep asking him like a child ask a father for a toy and he will deliver cuz he always does!
@@mr.francois5538 thank you for your time and reply. I just wanted to know UPCI teaching on this. Are you saved before speaking in tounges?
Douglas Arnold
We believe that you aren’t saved before speaking in tongues. evaluate it like this,: if tongues is the initial sign of God dwelling inside of you, and if we can’t get to heaven without his spirit, then how can we get there if we have never spoken in tongues. The Bible says that we are born again by the water and spirit. That is baptism in Jesus name and being filled with his spirit. Both of those are necessary to being born again. The Bible also says that unless we are born again we can’t enter into the kingdom of heaven.
When people say they are saved...what do they think they are saved from? When you are SAVED, what that means is that your saved from Hell, meaning your going to heaven. But if you haven’t been born of the water and the spirit then according to the Bible you CANT go to heaven. Therefore... in order to be SAVED you’ve got to have the spirit inside of you.
I really hoped that answered your question. I tried not to say yes or no. I tried to be only biblical. Please look into the things I pointed out, and pray for understanding! God bless you!! And I’m gonna rating that God fills you with his spirit soon! Keep on pressing!!
@@brittanychapman3334 well you kinda gave a yes or no answer and thank you. I do not like it when people do not give yes or no answers. I know what the Bible says that is not the problem I want to know your understanding of it. If I ask a Baptist they know what it says but understand it different. And yes I have received the Holy Ghost several years ago but gave my life to Christ about a year before I received the Holy Ghost. That is what I wondered about.
@@mr.francois5538 ok but if you would have died in that 4 or 5 months of seeking would you have gone to hell?
Acts 2:6 .. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
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The Disciples spoke by the Holy Spirit, but people heard them according to their own language...
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What I understand is that a tongue is a language in simple terms (2:6-13) verse says, ... spoke in his own language, ...verse 8 how is it that we hear, each in our own language? For instance, the common language spoken in USA is English but are all inhabitants Americans? A tongue is a language and is not an unknown language to the speaker but a known language to the one speaking though it cannot be heard by another person. English, Spanish, French etc, are tongues and when one wants to speak for the sake of communication, needs to interpret it, when alone, you communicate to God in your own known language. God is not a god of confusion but God of order.
Why are you not teaching that paul.corrected the Corinth church regarding the unknown tongues spoken ..but. Instead you are enforcing that tongues still exist . Are you misleading the readers and herears here in this forum ??
Can you reply ?
If trinitarian charismatics and pentecostals are speaking in tongues then are they truly going to heaven. Can any oneness pentecostal specifically answer this question? Please!
I'd like to hear the answer to that too!
If there not baptized in Jesus name no way there in disobedience or not properly taught only God knows maybe they never heard the truth Cornelius was commanded to be baptized in Jesus name after receivning the holy ghost Act's 10:47-48
Tongues is the initial sign that you turned your will over to God. That is not keeps one saved. You have to work out your salvation everyday. Sanctification is a process, becoming more like Jesus. Jesus gives us all the "IF'S" in His commands follow them, and read Romans 11. One can speak in tongues, but if they backslide and continue on that path, that is serious trouble if they don't repent and return.
@@hargisP2 But how is it that serious backslidders can still speak in tongues?
I prefer to pray in tongues because our mind is carnal and the Holy Spirit searches the heart and speak the mysteries of God! So I would say people SPEAK IN TONGUES!!!!!!!
As more people thought that they receive the HS, the more the condemn the RCC!!!
Can someone help me understand where in the Bible we see a differentiation between “initial tongues” and the gift of tongues?
Your questions are great! It's because David K Bernard twists scriptures as well as Lucifer himself. Speaking in tongues is a spiritual gift, but without an interpreter, it is like a clanging gong. He makes a good modern day Pharisee.
Zachary Crane how did the Jewish believers know in acts 10:45-46 that the gentiles received the Holy Ghost?
@@SuperJaLeal because they publicly declared their faith that's why.
Zachary Crane so in your paradigm Bernard twists verses...but then you go and leave part of the verse out? Smh Sounds like you’re just bitter dude. 🤦♂️😂
@@TimothySmith-uu5lj I never quoted scripture dummy. I am quite happy being free while living in God's grace. Something you must know nothing about if you follow this cult leader.
I have gift of diverse tongues
Act. 19:2 ( since not when). Eph. 1:13,14. ( after believing). Gal. 3:2. Rom.10:17.
What about the eunuch did he speak in tongues? What about the jailer did he speak in tongues? What about the thousands that were added to the church at one time? I believe in the gifts of the spirit but scripture doesn’t teach that all must speak in tongues.
In Acts 19 we see that group speak in tongues and prophesied? Based on that account must we all speak in tongues AND prophecy to validate our born again experience? It’s by faith that we’re saved from there we should expect the manifestation of the spirit in our lives.
"But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed.
Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
How did they know the Spirit had not fallen on them?
BeamsLeChuck because there was no manifestation. If it wasn’t for Acts 8 I wouldn’t believe in UPC salvation doctrine. But there still is a lot of people added to the church with the absence of visible and audible manifestations of the spirit.
The eunuch didnt speak in tongues im sure he recieve it latter because its a promise from the lord if you give your heart to Jesus he will fallow through i got baptized in Jesus name i recieve the holy ghost 3 months latter i spoke in tongues too Acts 2 38 is truth
@@amanda.collaud I guess its obvious you've never spoke in tongues but you cant build doctrine off your experience or lack there of but from scripture proves a manifestation accompanies the baptism of the Holy Ghost
@@amanda.collaud Please be careful how you Speak concerning The Holy Ghost. If you are not sure, ask for wisdom as scripture says but if you blaspheme against The Holy Ghost, there is no repentance. Just be very careful.
God bless :)
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If they were Jews hearing peter would it then pertain to gentiles . as acts proceeded. Paul went to gentiles. I would say that oneness is easier to comprehend than trinity. Acts 8.17 says people got holy spirit by laying on of hands AFTER..being born again.
The languages on the pentecoste were not gibberish. The languages were known languages in those days
2 Corinthians 11:14
“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”
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All of these comments remind me of smith wigglesworth resistance to the Holy Spirit before he received it
Though I agree with one God not 3in 1.. But pentecost and tongues were for the calling of Israel. Since the close of acts we are in the mystery period.. For which signs and wonders don't follow the preaching of the word..
People rely on their own understanding because they haven't received understanding from God..
The only example of receiving the Anointing of God is the Anointing you receive from God.
Romans 8
7. The carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Why oh why, do we think we MUST label ourselves pentacostal, baptist, c of c , Methodist etc etc etc.
Paul said in his epistles that ALL he wanted to hear amongst the Saints was the SIMPLICITY of Jesus and Him crucified. We ARE to HEAR Paul's gospel !!!
I believe in acts 2"38. Repent be baptized in JESUS name for forgiveness of sins and you shall receive the HOLY SPIRIT.Of course not all believe the same .JESUS is the HOLY GHOST
Baptized and not men.My two sons my husband
Are Spirit filled and so am I PRAISE THE LORD.It
Is the power.You can tell who is Spirit filled and who is not .They have a form of Godliness but deny the power of the HOLY SPIRIT.The only not forgiven is against the Holy Spirit JESUS Is the same He does not change.When did the apostles begin to have power? The word says you shall receive power after the HHOLY GHOST comes
upon you.I could Tell the differance and still can
JESUS gives us gifts I know HE has used Me for
HIS HONOR AND GLORY.He is the one doing the
Work we are only a used vessel but Praise the LORD when uses us I love that.I cant do much for
My LORD and SAVIOR now since I am up ln age
I do when I can remember power comes after you
Are Spirit filled.Tongues are real I know I have them.Thank you JESUS for baptizing all my
family with your HOLY SPIRIT.
There is no such thing as two instancies of the Holly Spirit coming in our lives. It is nonsense to believe that the Holly Spirit came at our Salvation to born us again and that He comes the second time to fill us. We have no Bible support for that. Apostol Paul states in 1 Corintians 12 that "we all were baptized by the same Spirit" to become one body. If baptism of the Holly Spirit comes to some people after 10 years, how can that person be saved, a child of God but not part of the body of Christ? You receive the Holly spirit at Salvation once for ever. He comes in our spirits and from there He leads us, teaches us, sanctifies us, etc. You cannot state that somebody not speaking in tongs is not saved or that he doesn't have the Holly spirit. It is important to understand that the Holly spirit does two major works in our lives. He produces the fruit of the Spirit building in our character the character ofJesus and He manifests through us by the gifts of the Spirit producing the character of Jesus in the lives of others. 1 Corithians 12:7 states that to every one was given the manifestation of the Spirit and immediately Paul lists the gifts. What people don't understand (and for this reason there is much confusion) is that THIS MANIFESTATION from my inside out for building others (the church) can start at the moment of Salvation like in Acts 2 or Acts 8 or it can start later as in Acts 19 or Acts 9. Holly Spirit is there manifesting inside of the believer by the fruit and He waits for the moment when the believer believes that there is more of the Holly Spirit inside of him waiting to manifest outside in order to build others. All the verbs in Greek showing the receiving of the Holly Spirit after Salvation have the sense of HAVING SOMETHING THAT NOW STARTS TO MANIFEST AND NOT RECEVING SOMETHING FOR THE FIRST TIME. (I challange you to use a Greek dictionary, there are plenty on Internet, and make this study). In conclusion, you receive ALL Holly Spirit at salvation and ALL His power, but in some people His Manifestation by the Gifts of the Spirit would came later. Not understanding this causes so much debate among Christians and also caused a great division in the Body of Christ.
God bless all the children of God in the name of Jesus Christ the Son of God, Amen. you who read this, God bless you. read Acts 19-6 [ ...and they spake with tongues, AND PROPHESIED. ] if you are honest, you will realize that if someone does prophecy, then even if they do not speak in tongues, still they can ONLY prophecy by the Spirit of God and therefore they also are children of God manifesting the gift of The Spirit. therefore, speaking in tongues is a gift also, but is it not required or necessary to be saved unto everlasting life being forgiven of all sins by the finished work of Jesus the Christ on the cross. and if someone does prophecy but does not speak in tongues, they are also manifesting the gift of The Spirit of God and are believers also, which means that speaking in tongues is not required to be a believer but rather that it is one of the gifts of The Spirit. [[ He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that PROPHESIETH edifieth the church. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye PROPHESIED:... ]] (1Corinthians 14;4,5) remember brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are to help each other and edify one another as one family and not look for occasion to cause division in the body or cause strife which does not edify the body of Christ.
Cornelius got the Holy Spirit and was born again and Saved without water baptism??... Acts 10.38
Peter commanded Cornelius and his family to be baptized after they received the Holyghost. So baptism is a commandment. God said if you love me you will keep my commandments. God Bless
The Jews that came with Peter heard Cornelius and his household speak in with tongues, which is the sign of a new birth!
ACTS 10:45-46
@@jessewilson4354here in scripture EXACTLY does it say that this is the NEW BIRTH ???? I received a NEW HEART immediately after I threw myself at God's mercy thru repentance and faith . 3 months later after OBEDIENCE I received the GIFT of the holy ghost, however God's Spirit was most certainly already in me in which is what led me to the the spirit gifts. I would say I was born again of the spirit the day the Lord gave me a new heart ,the Bible says when the spirit comes he will give you a new heart ,it doesn't say when you speak in tongues you get a new heart now does it ????