Just coming back here after seeing Licorice Pizza and Bardely Cooper as Jon Peters shows up. Nearly lost my shit when he says to Gary in the film "You and me, we're from the streets." Never thought I'd see a reference to this story in a film, props to PTA for the deep cut reference!
True, they literally have people like Comics Explained and Comicstorian who are experts and creative people at their field cuz they love it, but they hire some random rich man to direct a special character as Superman. Reasons like that are the ones that brought us "Dragon Ball: Evolution" to cinemas. Like bruh.
Those were some truly idiotic demands from Peters. That’s like saying “I want you to write a Batman script, BUT.... he doesn’t wear the batsuit, he doesn’t drive the batmobile, and he doesn’t fight anyone, including the villain.”
If you pay attention to Batman '89 it is basically exactly along those lines. Batman just straight up murders his way through Batman '89, there's a scene where Batman brings Vicki Vale to his cave and then boinks her, it basically makes no sense that Joker kills Batman's parents... the only reason it really works is that Batman is closer to Jon Peters' ridiculous mental image of 'cool' than Superman is. In short, we're lucky that Joker didn't have a giant spider and a gay R2D2 sidekick...
You know, after ten years working in the corporate world, the part at the beginning (where Smith gets called in repeatedly to deliver his rant about the script sucking) makes a whole lot more sense to me. So often, it happens that you get an ill-conceived project that should have been deep-sixed early on, but for whatever reason it wasn't, and now nobody is willing to stick his/her neck out and say, "Man, this thing is just unworkable. We have to kill it and start over." It's an "emperor has no clothes" situation. Nobody's willing to take the risk of stepping up to say "This has to end," because if you do that and no one backs you up, you won't accomplish anything and you'll nark off whatever bigwig is pushing the project. In that situation, when you get a guy with some credibility who's willing to say out loud that the emperor has no clothes, it's exactly what you need. You get him to say it for you, and then it's safe to agree with him.
In the Death Of Superman Lives documentary he comes out with some gems... Talking about being in 500 street fights and tasting other people's blood... He totally refutes most of what Kevin says...really comes across as a total muppet. Still...that documentary shows you how crazy weird that film would have been. Definitely i think a film that still would be talked about and re-evaluated over time.
@@2013venjix I know mate, I read a few interviews with him and he seems out of his nut. He DEFINITELY said the things Kevin said. I guess the lunatic has enough money he Can be as weird as he wants!
I just bought Superman: Doomsday at the local Dollar Tree, and I laughed my ass off at the part where Kevin is one of the bystanders on the street, saying "Like we.needed him to take care of a giant spider. Lame." I love that they threw that in there.
Jon Peters was a street-wise kid from the rough and tumble neighborhood of Van Nuys, California. He hustled and flowed his way up through the hair business at his mama's salon located on the infamous Rodeo Drive. Hollywood, California represent!!
Thank god Kevin didn't die from his heart attack. It would've been so tragic. Really great that he changed his life around, losing weight and keeping his health a first priority.
I saw the clip being passed around on Twitter. During it, my reaction was close to Smith’s reaction to “The Wild Wild West.” At the start, all I could think about is how of a piece of shit that was. I saw the Nic Cage Superman and thought,”Well, it made sense for what they were going for.” Then, I stopped and backed up the video. As I rewatched that particular part, all I could say was “No way!” before laughing my ass off. Jon Peters finally got what he had been bugging WB about and it took 25 years.
I was crying laughing when I saw that. Ive listened to this for years and when the scene happened I literally shouted "a Thanagarian Snare Beast!!!!" Between Licorice Pizza and The Flash im glad we're finally seeing Hollywood poke fun at Jon Peters, especially because he probably doesn't get it 😂
I was giggling like a school girl when I saw the long hair and the giant spider. A thumbnail on CZcams spoiled the Nicholas Cage appearance, but I didn't know the spider part so I was still pleasantly surprised.
I just read an article about Neil Gaiman leaking a horrible Sandman movie script that was being produced by Jon Peters, the script included the giant mechanical spiders. Jon Peters really had a fixation with that and tried to shove it in whatever project he was involved.
I've watched Kevin tell this story whenever I've needed a laugh so many times over the years. So many times now that whenever I see a movie with a giant spider in it, I just automatically assume it was produced by Jon Peters. Lord of the Rings trilogy? Peters. Enemy with Jake Gyllenhaal? Peters. That nightmare I had that one time? Peters. And then it got crazier...I saw The Main Event on TV and couldn't believe that Ryan O'Neal and Barbra Streisand were fighting a giant spider at the end. Then I looked at my DVD of Clue and one of the alternate endings had a giant spider as the real killer! Spiders and Peters, Peters and spiders. Spider-Man: No Way Home....multiple Peters. I need to see a psychiatrist.
If jon Peters wrote the passion of the christ: "Jesus after being tortured,beaten, mocked finally gives up his spirit.... bows his head..... and dies..............THEN THIS GIGANTIC SPIDER COMES OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE!!!"
I walked out of watching the Flash today . . . . SPOILERS . . . A version of Superman - played by the one and only Nic Cage - wearing the suit and flying, is fighting GIANT SPIDER! And you know what, it looked pretty cool.
He guys, you don't have to worry about Jon Peters anymore. Thanks to his hostility in Man of Steel, his failure to adapt the Sandman comics and the Weinstein Effect lawsuit, his career officially ended. Since 2009 he's only been credited for 3 roles
Smith was so good here that I spent money to buy this DVD, _An Evening With Kevin Smith,_ whereas he is so insufferable now that I won't even click on him for free.
Spiders are "the fiercest killers in the insect kingdom"? I guess Jon Peters spent too much time in the streets and skipped middle school science. Otherwise he would have known that SPIDERS AREN'T INSECTS!!!
For years, I always just assumed Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian was just some dumb joke Kevin threw in there. Then I one day learned it was an actual thing Hollywood had actually been kicking around for a while.
It's funny, of the 3 requirements Kevin got from Peter's, the giant spider was probably the least problematic to a Superman movie. Like Kevin said, the costume and flying DEFINE Superman!!
@@06pag That wasn't Superman, and you know that. Smallville was that shows take on SuperBoy. Superboy used to fly and wear the costume in the comics by the way. They just retconned and relaunched Superman so many times that Superboy ceased to be a thing (unless he was a clone of Lex and Superman, but let's not even get into that version of Superboy)! So again I'd argue, Superman's costume, and his super abilities, chief among those powers being able to fly are what people know and associate him with the most.
No shame. I’ve watched this video over 20 times. It never gets old. I’ve never heard a more perfectly delivered story. You could make a full length film or limited series off the legend of Superman Lives. And yes I own Jon Schnepp’s Doc. He signed it for me at Comic Con 2015. RIP fellow nerd.
Having seen this in the past made watching Bradley Cooper as Jon Peters in Licorice Pizza so much funnier
@Some Guy there’s a line in the movie that’s a reference to the “we’re from the streets” line from smith
@Some Guy he does, I think he did a good job with it.
I was thinking about this video as I was looking at the cast list of Licorice Pizza and had to come back and rewatch it.
Lol I just watched licorice pizza
Didn’t realize it was the same dude. Idk him personally, but Cooper did do a good job.
Just coming back here after seeing Licorice Pizza and Bardely Cooper as Jon Peters shows up. Nearly lost my shit when he says to Gary in the film "You and me, we're from the streets." Never thought I'd see a reference to this story in a film, props to PTA for the deep cut reference!
Suddenly the mystery of how terrible films get made make sense to me.
The system simply does not reward talent.
True, they literally have people like Comics Explained and Comicstorian who are experts and creative people at their field cuz they love it, but they hire some random rich man to direct a special character as Superman. Reasons like that are the ones that brought us "Dragon Ball: Evolution" to cinemas. Like bruh.
Jon Peter's and that damn spider
Basically business people who have never created anything in their lives get their paws on artist's creations
Suddenly, the studio system doesn't seem so bad in retrospect.
Who is back watching again after seeing Superman fighting a giant spider in the 3rd act?
As soon as I saw the superman outfit, long hair and a massive spider I knew what was happening… then the face reveal, amazing 😂😂
Those were some truly idiotic demands from Peters. That’s like saying “I want you to write a Batman script, BUT.... he doesn’t wear the batsuit, he doesn’t drive the batmobile, and he doesn’t fight anyone, including the villain.”
So basically Batman Beyond :)
+Medalion Ohhhhhh!!!!!! (Supa Hot video)
Medalion Not really
If you pay attention to Batman '89 it is basically exactly along those lines. Batman just straight up murders his way through Batman '89, there's a scene where Batman brings Vicki Vale to his cave and then boinks her, it basically makes no sense that Joker kills Batman's parents... the only reason it really works is that Batman is closer to Jon Peters' ridiculous mental image of 'cool' than Superman is.
In short, we're lucky that Joker didn't have a giant spider and a gay R2D2 sidekick...
He was ahead of his time. He wanted to do with Superman what James Mangold did with Wolverine in Logan two decades later.
Lol jk Peters is a hack.
You know, after ten years working in the corporate world, the part at the beginning (where Smith gets called in repeatedly to deliver his rant about the script sucking) makes a whole lot more sense to me. So often, it happens that you get an ill-conceived project that should have been deep-sixed early on, but for whatever reason it wasn't, and now nobody is willing to stick his/her neck out and say, "Man, this thing is just unworkable. We have to kill it and start over." It's an "emperor has no clothes" situation. Nobody's willing to take the risk of stepping up to say "This has to end," because if you do that and no one backs you up, you won't accomplish anything and you'll nark off whatever bigwig is pushing the project.
In that situation, when you get a guy with some credibility who's willing to say out loud that the emperor has no clothes, it's exactly what you need. You get him to say it for you, and then it's safe to agree with him.
The corporate world is a cancer on society
Can you fucking believe it. Jon Peters was banned from the set of Man of Steel by Christopher Nolan XD
and yet...the World Engine sequence... looks like a giant spider sort of haha
good!
In the Death Of Superman Lives documentary he comes out with some gems... Talking about being in 500 street fights and tasting other people's blood... He totally refutes most of what Kevin says...really comes across as a total muppet.
Still...that documentary shows you how crazy weird that film would have been. Definitely i think a film that still would be talked about and re-evaluated over time.
@@mccarthy5825 Jon Peters is a total weirdo. Half of what he said in that documentary was ridiculous.
@@2013venjix I know mate, I read a few interviews with him and he seems out of his nut. He DEFINITELY said the things Kevin said. I guess the lunatic has enough money he Can be as weird as he wants!
"In hollywood you just kinda fail upwards " perfectly describes kevin smiths career
"Every day with the fucking spider" ha ha ha ha genius
I just bought Superman: Doomsday at the local Dollar Tree, and I laughed my ass off at the part where Kevin is one of the bystanders on the street, saying "Like we.needed him to take care of a giant spider. Lame." I love that they threw that in there.
Just saw Licorice Pizza and had to come back to this. Absolutely love that I got to hear Jon Peters say he’s “from the streets” on the big screen!
Same! The minute I heard Bradley Cooper say it I knew what he was referencing. 😂
Kevin smith could have been a great stand up comedian. His timing is flawless lol
Definitely a gr8 storyteller
He has done stand up, and it was great
I didn’t find any of this funny
@@TheGoddon Oh yeah? Well, I DID. So how do you like them apples?
@@neonfox3 They are exactly half the size of your matriarch's t*ts.
Jon Peters was a street-wise kid from the rough and tumble neighborhood of Van Nuys, California. He hustled and flowed his way up through the hair business at his mama's salon located on the infamous Rodeo Drive. Hollywood, California represent!!
"because you and me, we're from the streets." 😂
i've watched this like 10 times over the years and it never gets old. Peters DESTROYED this movie.
He’s such a good storyteller. Could listen to him talk for hours.
But here he just a nomal guy baffled by what he hears
But his movies suck lol
@@ultimatesunrise no not all i find Chasing Amy quite good it was his first drama and serious film though a comedy one
@@justiceriser8970 I agree, Amy was good.. but 85% of his films are just garbage 🗑
@@ultimatesunrise nah they were great
Only took 25 years to see that giant spider.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
You don’t know how hard I laughed when that scene came up!
No surprise that it was the worst adaptation of an IP for a film.
@@Wolf4Babygirl
Flash or Wild Wild West? 😏
Thank god Kevin didn't die from his heart attack. It would've been so tragic. Really great that he changed his life around, losing weight and keeping his health a first priority.
Take your words back
@@tyvamakes5226 no you
@@mrnarason Obviously, you don't care or you hate Masters of the Universe
@@tyvamakes5226 think you’re forgetting that those are fictional characters….Fic..Tion ALL char ACTORS!!
@@tyvamakes5226
> Subbed to Critical drinker.
Lol.
But the giant spider intrigues me...haha!
Beetlejuice Goes To Hawaii sounds legit in a sea of horrible re-boots
I would like to see that now. Michael Keaton almost looks like death these days so it would work pretty good.
Keaton and Ryder yes if not fuck this idea .
Animate and let's fucking go
I really wish it happened.
Kind of reminds me of Weekend at Bernie's Part 2
Somewhere Jon Peters is smiling now.
OMG not to state the obvious, but Kevin Smith is an incredible storyteller.
25 years later....Reality is truly stranger than fiction.
Thats one hell of an Easter egg in flash...😂
and then all of a sudden… a giant ducking spider appears
And suddenly Nick Cage appears as superman in the new Flash Movie. That was so satisfying.
I saw the clip being passed around on Twitter. During it, my reaction was close to Smith’s reaction to “The Wild Wild West.” At the start, all I could think about is how of a piece of shit that was. I saw the Nic Cage Superman and thought,”Well, it made sense for what they were going for.” Then, I stopped and backed up the video. As I rewatched that particular part, all I could say was “No way!” before laughing my ass off. Jon Peters finally got what he had been bugging WB about and it took 25 years.
Wait what did I miss
JON PETERS WON
I want this Kevin back.
you will take crying selfie soy milk kevin and you will LIKE it
Exactly. Hate current day Kevin smith.
This movie was made and exists out there somewhere in another timeline, then we got a glimpse of it and it was Epic
“Everyday with the fuckin spider” lmao
This story takes on a completely new life after you see Bradley Cooper play John Peters in Licorice Pizza
This story needs to be required viewing before watching The Flash
I was crying laughing when I saw that. Ive listened to this for years and when the scene happened I literally shouted "a Thanagarian Snare Beast!!!!"
Between Licorice Pizza and The Flash im glad we're finally seeing Hollywood poke fun at Jon Peters, especially because he probably doesn't get it 😂
Exactly!
"You and me we're from the streets."
Superman, who has the power to fly
Rewatching this after having just seen The Flash movie. You know why 😉
Jon Peters is going to be a VERY happy man.
Jon Peters finally got his giant fucking spider. #TheFlash
🕷️😂😂😂😂⚡
So the WB execs were ALWAYS out of their f*cking minds! No wonder they're failing so hard right now with their superhero movies.
Having just seen the flash, I can indeed confirm that Nicholas Cage fights a giant spider! 😊
I just saw the film and Really loved that scene 😂
I came here to say that! Holy shit! It a giant fucking spider.
First thing I thought of when I saw that.
Whole film worth it for that moment.
I was giggling like a school girl when I saw the long hair and the giant spider. A thumbnail on CZcams spoiled the Nicholas Cage appearance, but I didn't know the spider part so I was still pleasantly surprised.
THEY PUT THE SPIDER IN FLASH LMAO
Just came from see the flash... I was the only moron nerd laughing at the theater
I was the same way. I'm like WTF the Spider!!!! Lol
@@KramerY2JJon Peters must be happy rn😂
ME TOO! I WAS LAUGHING SO LOUD 😂
It happened - I saw Nick Cage fight a giant spider. Thanks, Flash.
😂😂😂
Greatest easter egg of all time.
"Thanagarian snare beast"
I nearly pop out of my site at the cinema when that happened haha
Yeah, I was VERY impressed that they had that in there.
"Fail Upwards" I bout died 😂😂😂
I want to see Kevin Smith reaction the Nick cage scene in Flash movie
This video never gets old.
He got his spider….
Watching the flash:
Good lord this is a piece of shit. But then all of a sudden a giant fucking spider shows up.
Flash movie viewers you’re welcome lol 8:15
Just realized Jon Peters is actually Lex.
*That* scene in The Flash only happened because he told that story
You know why I’m back here
Anyone here after the Flash?
Yes
just watching this vid again cause of the Flash.
Just came in from watching The Flash.....I get the story now.
Who else is here again😂 after seeing THE FLASH⚡️?
I just saw Netflix has a movie called "Giant Ass Spider" and all I could think of is this story.
Watch 8 Legged Freaks and watch the scene were Elijah Wood got chased by Shelob in Return of the King. That's something that'll keep u up at night😂🤣🤣
Hope people see this before watching The Flash
Who's here after seeing The Flash!?
Who’s here after The Flash?
One of my favorite stories of all time.
I just read an article about Neil Gaiman leaking a horrible Sandman movie script that was being produced by Jon Peters, the script included the giant mechanical spiders. Jon Peters really had a fixation with that and tried to shove it in whatever project he was involved.
The fuck is it with this man and robotic arachnids? 😂
I've watched Kevin tell this story whenever I've needed a laugh so many times over the years. So many times now that whenever I see a movie with a giant spider in it, I just automatically assume it was produced by Jon Peters. Lord of the Rings trilogy? Peters. Enemy with Jake Gyllenhaal? Peters. That nightmare I had that one time? Peters. And then it got crazier...I saw The Main Event on TV and couldn't believe that Ryan O'Neal and Barbra Streisand were fighting a giant spider at the end. Then I looked at my DVD of Clue and one of the alternate endings had a giant spider as the real killer! Spiders and Peters, Peters and spiders. Spider-Man: No Way Home....multiple Peters. I need to see a psychiatrist.
If jon Peters wrote the passion of the christ:
"Jesus after being tortured,beaten, mocked finally gives up his spirit.... bows his head..... and dies..............THEN THIS GIGANTIC SPIDER COMES OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE!!!"
The dude is just an amazing storyteller that I could watch for years and probably will.
Jon Peters finally got his giant spider!
I walked out of watching the Flash today . . . .
SPOILERS . . .
A version of Superman - played by the one and only Nic Cage - wearing the suit and flying, is fighting GIANT SPIDER!
And you know what, it looked pretty cool.
So... anyone here after The Flash?
2:50 "my friend Walter" being Walt Flanigan from Comic Book Men
...yeah
Kevin back in the day was much more candid, these days you’ll never hear him speak like this
Coming back to see this after watching the new flash movie.
*"Must we go Tropical?"*
JRE anyone? lol
"Dude, it's Superman"...LOL....
Whose here after Flash?
Beetlejuice Hawaiian....Hilarious,Sound's like a direct to DVD movie😂
Everyone here after The Flash check in point xD
Spider😂
Holy shit you're right lol
Truth 😊
Anybody hear after the flash movie lol 😂
This is 1000% better after watching the JRE episode with Peters.
This is someone who is doing what they were born to do
I wonder if Kevin Smith saw the damn spider in The Flash movie 😂
Most likely, hope producer guy saw it.
12 years later, he finally fought the spider.
Dude, it was WAY longer than 12 years. Maybe since this video was posted. XD
He guys, you don't have to worry about Jon Peters anymore. Thanks to his hostility in Man of Steel, his failure to adapt the Sandman comics and the Weinstein Effect lawsuit, his career officially ended. Since 2009 he's only been credited for 3 roles
Yet one of them was A Star is Born, which was nominated to a shit ton of awards, so unfortunately he's still a big deal.
@@jorgeluz9560 and Batman he produced Batman which was called the movie of the decade and until Titanic the biggest movie ever.
Smith was so good here that I spent money to buy this DVD, _An Evening With Kevin Smith,_ whereas he is so insufferable now that I won't even click on him for free.
what did he do recently?
When I watch this every time I know Smith is the goat of telling stories
Watch Dogma. Kevin Smith needs to do more movies like Dogma.
completely unscripted. this guy is so great
Spiders are "the fiercest killers in the insect kingdom"?
I guess Jon Peters spent too much time in the streets and skipped middle school science. Otherwise he would have known that SPIDERS AREN'T INSECTS!!!
MiketheCabbie I laughed so hard when he said that, too bad Spiders are Arachnids no insects
+MiketheCabbie yet they could still be the fiercest killers in the insect kingdom since they do kill insects...
+MiketheCabbie Jon Peters wasn't able to make it to school since he grew up in the streets...where he learned hairdressing...
It's a very nerdy thing, admittedly, but... Yeah, still pretty bad. Isn't that like 4th grade biology?
LMAO!!
For years, I always just assumed Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian was just some dumb joke Kevin threw in there. Then I one day learned it was an actual thing Hollywood had actually been kicking around for a while.
Jon Peter was banned from the TDK set, even being a producer.
Kevin Smith is hilarious lol this made me a fan
The man who asked this question is a legend.
I... is John Peters completely insane, a professional troll, or both?
neither. he's a genius writer way beyond our times.
id watch a movie with superman/brainiac razzin polar bears
Neither.. Jon Peter is the fiercest producer in the Hollywood kingdom.
hinasakukimi he’s not a writer, he’s a producer.
he did a good job with Batman.... but then he fucked up with Wild Wild West
I could listen to this guy all day. such a good storyteller!
ok itts not from too fat for forty but thats a great watch aswell..
I miss this Kevin Smith.
Keven Smith looking like Harry Potter threw himself away on butterbeer
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's funny, of the 3 requirements Kevin got from Peter's, the giant spider was probably the least problematic to a Superman movie. Like Kevin said, the costume and flying DEFINE Superman!!
There's a ten season TV show about Superman where he doesn't fly and doesn't wear a costume.
@@06pag That wasn't Superman, and you know that. Smallville was that shows take on SuperBoy.
Superboy used to fly and wear the costume in the comics by the way. They just retconned and relaunched Superman so many times that Superboy ceased to be a thing (unless he was a clone of Lex and Superman, but let's not even get into that version of Superboy)!
So again I'd argue, Superman's costume, and his super abilities, chief among those powers being able to fly are what people know and associate him with the most.
@@jamesteegardner2273 It's still the same person.
Superman Lives! (In the Flash)
So Jon Peters basically wanted Hancock. An angsty superhero who barley files and doesn’t wear tights and a cape.
And he has to fight a giant tarantula
NO! Like Metriod Prime 2😂🤣🤣
The jre episode makes so much sense now.
what an amazing story teller. I can't believe this was just off the top of his head. it almost seems like he wrote it out before
This video was what got me into Kevin Smith. He’s gone a bit insufferable in recent times but I’ll always appreciate the dude in this video.
He pretty much did write it out before. He told this story over and over until this recording.
Jon Peters is in the Death of Superman documentary and he is out of his mind- really entertaining though
No shame. I’ve watched this video over 20 times. It never gets old. I’ve never heard a more perfectly delivered story. You could make a full length film or limited series off the legend of Superman Lives. And yes I own Jon Schnepp’s Doc. He signed it for me at Comic Con 2015. RIP fellow nerd.
I missed the simpler times of comic books and fat Kevin Smith.
6:31
I don't think Jon Peters has a firm grip on reality.
Lol that giant spider vs Superman will be cannon in the flash 😱
The Flash scene. xd
How has no one an animatic of this?