The Fine Structure Constant is simply the ratio of the speed of light in a vacuum to the speed of light in the electronic structure of the atom. This is why it is dimensionless, because it is a ratio of velocities. Do the math, and you will be able to derive wonderful new interpretations for Planck's constant and quantum physics. Try it!
Hey everyone, the "alien civilisation" thing is just a thought experiment. What he means is, the fine structure constant is something independent of our unit system and perspective. Whether it is practical to send such a message is more or less irrelevant.
LOL!!! Bravo! Irrelevant indeed, especially if "c" really is constant, at least for idiotic physicists and wanna-be space explorers. Think, if intelligent alien humanoids live more than a few hundred light years from here, by the time they would get that ridiculous message, "we" will probably be self-extincted. Anyway, to more advanced humanoids,137 and 1/137... and a bunch of other digitized Earth text may be indistinguishable from chaotic stellar RF noise. Furthermore, the fact that "alpha" mystifies "the great & famous" QM maths-physics stars, while being considered a sacred grail cow, proves that nobody understands QM. I think that's because QM can't help anyone understand the reality of the universal field of being (the totality of the present moment we might call cosmic reality). QM's high priests & groupies may as well be schizophrenics floating around in an intergalactic fog of dark energy. Yep, otherwise why say that the decimal version of 1/137... is its "precise" value, when it's really just a mathematical construct, a fuzzy label in a speculative bubble universe in the minds of humanoids who can't see the difference between maps & symbols and infinitely complex environmental realities? The maths are not the field phenomena they represent, approximately, at best. At worst, QM notions & shibboleths are as misleading as Ptolemaic myths, fictions & dogma.
Alpha's not independent of our perspective or unit system. Its rooted in oour fundamental appication of vision, memory, and cognition. And it does hold a certain type of dimension. The problem is not that its sooo mystified or complex , actually the opposite... its really simple and we tend to over look the great simplicity of light in matter. ...like a fish in the ocean.
the speed of light and energy scale relation constants e.g. alpha have not produced one chip This useless speculation entertains the masses so they will not notice Biden with the cooperation of Republicans just signed a non funded bill to rebuild our semiconductor -chip industry.The same people who exported chip manufacturing to Taiwan and China (NOT DESIGNS)
I love that little animation of the electrons around an atom... Having seen it (and animated it myself) as little plastic spheres dancing around a collection of slightly larger plastic spheres so many times, that animation really helps get over the quantum particle/wave wassaname. Great stuff.
A true original. To my knowledge he's the first on CZcams to bring this subject into the spotlight. And even after 13.7 years there's not a word those contemporary experts can add to it.
Very interesting Fact. I am speculating why the fine structure constant is 1 divided with 4*π^3 + π^2 + π and the FSC always tell us about the force the EM field will influence two EM particles by. It is so strage, that I am sure there is a higher meaning behind it. Thank for your information. In speciel circumstances, the FSC ~ 1/137 ~ e^2 div 4*π ~1 div C who tell us, that a person who have a velocity at 3,6 km/h for a resting observer will fell the moving of a secund as 1-(1/3 x 10^(-10)) secund. It always tell us, that a meter from us always will have to have an equal length in time, namely (1/3 x 10^(-10)) secunds, more than witch time, we measure on our watchs. I think it give us a intuative way to think about spacetime, timedialation and space curving. But surely you can derive the same about time and space from Einsteins GR.
If i am not mistaken you could just factor out a pi to get 1/(π(4π^2 + π + 1)). Then ok if we were to solve what you did 1/(3.14159 * (4 * 9.86959 + 3.14159 + 1)) 1/(3.14159 * (39.47836 + 3.14159 + 1)) 1/(3.14159 * 43.76095) = 1/137.29593 Interesting I know it’s the square but 4-2-1 is another interesting number along with 3x+1 ;-) Personally I like 1/137 better then the 137.2953 bc it makes a beautiful pattern 0.0072992700729920072992700 like a spin or a dancing electron should be 😜
Would love to know more about the fine structure constant. Came across it as a layman a few years ago and believe it links a lot of other constants and dictates (or rather expresses) the structure of the universe itself; hence your observation that we may not be here to discuss it
I agree, you are completely correct. I was simply using the word equation in repetition of what he said. A better word would be formula, or more specifically, it has a formual.
"Independent of units", because it IS the Number of Theoretical assembly of logarithmic coordination condensation modulation cause-effect. When Reciproction-recirculation is imposed line-of-sight superposition Singularity, THIS is the conic-cyclonic modulo-geometrical mechanism of inside-outside holographic time-timing presence. (Not your average number, the "Recursion to the Mean" Quiescent conglomeration @.dt zero-infinity sync-duration floating point embodiment) Definitely Mathemagical. Truly fitting the constants of elemental e-Pi-i sync-duration connectivity.., in Principle.
When sending messahes to outer space, they only use the simplest bases: units ("tap out 137 beeps," as you say) and, to send "images", binary: on/off or long/short signals making up a rectangle with prime number side lengths.
@lotrfreak2010 0-9 are our base numbers, and we use the next 4 to show how our place value works. You could continue up to at least 23 if you wanted to be sure to get the message across. 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, add one value onto the left, repeat sequence. Stopping at ten wouldn't give them an example of how the system repeats
At one time I took a maths course in which the prof asked what was special about 137. He mentioned that it's a prime, and some other characteristics, when a student commented that we were in Room 137. So one more reason 137 is special.
Thanks for nice and simple explanation about Fine Structure Constant. I was actually going to watch the movie, 'UFO (2018)'. But before that wanted to understand what does the FSC means in physics, as the movie description in IMDB is telling about this dimensionless constant.
@lee155912000 For example velocity is measured in km/h or mi/h or m/s, all of these represent distance over time. Pi, on the other hand, is the ratio of the circle's circumference to its diameter, so it's distance/distance (cm/cm or km/km), thus they cancel each other out, leaving the number 'adimensional'. In this particular number, the dimensions also cancel out.
@Valendros I found a large poster on what to do if you're the first person to make contact with aliens but in this case, You'd put down 14 squares, in the dust or on paper or what have you. in each of these squares put dots representing each number. Then you'd repeat the process with the symbols 0-13 (so they understand our place value system and that we operate mostly in base 10) Then you'd draw a simple math problem. :.+::=:::. and repeat it with numbers. Do this a few times
How is this prof called? I love the sixty symbols videos with him even more than the other ones. He reminds me a lot of the greatest teacher I ever had back when I still had to go to school/high-school but I haven't seen his name in the descriptions of some videos I checked.
I believe I saw something on that years ago, before things like youtube. It was either in the movie Contact or I saw it on some SETI special on the old history channel. Either way I believe that is the agreed on message to send to show intelligent life.
@RasmusLastname It'd probably be conveyed through number of filled squares on a grid or something, rather than the actual symbols '1', '3' and '7'. Probably not that way exactly but you know what I mean.
as it travels the light would be red shifted by the expansion of space, so a 45 second transmittion with 137 peaks might stretch to have 138 peaks or more depending on how far it went, yes we could compensate if we were directing the signal to a specific star and knew the distance, but I still think Carl Sagan's idea of prime numbers is the best way to do it.
He said "recherché"; when used in english conversation it generally refers to something chosen deliberately which has a rare quality or specific use, ie; "You may find this collection of late 19th century vacuum cleaner nozzles a little recherché." HTH
Well when talking about pieces of information in binary there are bytes but we also know about cubits which are 1, 0, and neither. So the chance of being able to communicate successfully is quite low especially when you consider "Visible light" is less than one percent of the spectrum.
On the beauty of the fine structure constant FSC), read Barrow, John (2002) The Constants of Nature. Pantheon. There are 3 known attractive/repulsive forces: electromagnetism (EMF), gravity, and the strong force holding the nucleus together. Each force has dimensionless "coupling constant". FSC is the coupling constant for EMF. Forces are mediated by boson exchange. The boson mediating EMF is the photon. The FSC thus underlies almost all of physics, chemistry, biology and technology.
@VoxSweden Was thinking the same thing. We might aswell have been working with a system other than the decimal one and it would still feel "natural" to us.
We discovered the fine structure constant in 1916, so an 18 years difference isn't really that much time compared to the probability that they will have had radio transimitters for at least the same amount of time as us, if not longer. If we have had transmitters for about114 years and we have known about the constant for about 96 years, that ratio goes to 1,100%, as the limit is taken as time goes to infinity of a function of time. So it's safe to say they were founded at roughly the same time.
Red shift would alter the frequency and wavelength of the wave, not the number of peaks in the wave. The way signals are generally transmitted through radio waves is either by Amplitude Modulation or Frequency Modulation (AM or FM), rather than attempting to explain thoroughly in the comments character limit I'd suggest checking out the Wiki page on Radio, under the Transmitter and Modulation subsection, this should give you some idea on how these processes work. Hope you find it helpful.
@danthemanzizzle Since it is a "pure number" as mentioned in the vid, it is a ratio that comes out the same no matter what measurement is used. For instance; when using th radian system to measure an angle the value would be the same whether oyu measured in inches or centimeters or anything. Since a radian is the ratio between the radius and the length of the arc, any unit used will cancel itself out in the division. Aren't Pure Numbers awwesome?
@alucardmath Ah, okay, that works. I got 0.007296 using values rounded to 4 sig figs. That's close enough to 1/137 for my tastes! Thanks. I don't know why the permittivity constant wasn't mentioned in the video, though I probably should have recognized it given the units I ended up with . .
It would be interesting the results on equations if you mess with decimal parts of the number to see how it will mess will all the universe. I mean, in a parallel universe when the 20th decimal value changed a tiny bit. How compatible this universe would be compared with ours.
If you would use feet instead of meter in each constant you'd get the same value. If you would mix them you would get something like m/ft, which is dimensionless, but has a conversion factor, in this case 0.3048. Divide your result by the conversion factor and you get the same result.
The first man in this video, i love him, i wish to find more of him if there is another channel I may find him, i find him very Feynman-esqu and it's excellent.
What do the Twistors of Roger Penrose and the Hopf Fibrations of Eric Weinstein and the "Belt Trick" of Paul Dirac have in common? In Spinors it takes two complete turns to get down the "rabbit hole" (Alpha Funnel 3D--->4D) to produce one twist cycle (1 Quantum unit). Can both Matter and Energy be described as "Quanta" of Spatial Curvature? (A string is revealed to be a twisted cord when viewed up close.) Mass= 1/Length, with each twist cycle of the 4D Hypertube proportional to Planck’s Constant. In this model Alpha equals the compactification ratio within the twistor cone, which is approximately 1/137. 1= Hypertubule diameter at 4D interface 137= Cone’s larger end diameter at 3D interface where the photons are absorbed or emitted. The 4D twisted Hypertubule gets longer or shorter as twisting or untwisting occurs. (720 degrees per twist cycle.)
one problem would be it would only last for a fraction of a second. I don't know if we have the technology to send a signal like that. The bigger problem with that is that it could look just like a random pulsar, the main thing you want to convey is that the signal is artificial, just the fact you can send a radio signal means you are intelligent, you don't need to add math to impress.
We could also easily argue that any civilisation that has developed electronic transmissions, and thus the technology to listen for us, has worked out a binary system (base 2), so we could just send it out using that. 137 separate beeps gets a bit tedious..
@MisterMANada It could be different in different universes, but he didn't say it would be good to send to different universes; it would be good to send to other planets in our own universe (own galaxy really..)
The number is definitely dimensionless. Defining alpha with c expressed in feet/s or miles/s does change it completely, because those are arbitrary measurements. meters/s is the SI unit for velocity, and because the other constants in the expression are defined according to this same SI model, it does result in a perfectly dimensionless ratio. Aliens would find it to be the same, because regardless of their units of measurement, the *ratio* between the constants would yield the same result.
The point was that if we want to send something that will almost surely not be confused with just random static, something basic to the universe would be the most likely option.
"If they have telescopes and radio transmitters, they will know this constant"--We had telescopes and radio transmitters in 1898; but we certainly didn't know anything about this constant. Admittedly we didn't yet have either solid state or "hollow state" eg. vacuum tube, electronics. Broadly, this is true, however.
I found out that the fine structure is a variable in the Hawking-Bekenstein entropy of an electron mass. To see my proof there is a video I made on my channel.
137 + 69 = THE code do a search of 'THE MAYA CODE 137 69 key to portals' >>>it is actually best to start on page 1 read the brief intro and then skip to page 4 work backwards to the first post. It is disjointed because it is only a repository of associations.
re: last post, notice I used the word KEY TO PORTALS, of course because 137 is placed between TWO SPECTRAL LINES, or how about we take a LEAP of reasoning is that the TWO MASONIC Pillars or TWO QaBaLaH Pillars in the Tree of Life mark the gate or PORTAL. Now we can YAK about why those TWO TWIN TOWERS came crashing down. In a unified world, it is all connected and evidence of a narrative ALREADY WRITTEN, its signature 137, is unfolding.
But that is not the equation for the fine structure constant. He left off the 4 pi times the permittivity of free space from the denominator. Plus, it is highly likely the fine structure constant changes over cosmological time, like the Hubble constant does.
Thank you very much for this video. I am trying to understand "137" in the context of CIG Theory. If you want, learn CIG Theory and attempt to apply "137". I am doing the same but my math is bad.
To send the signal it would be in binary, which any species that uses data transmission would have to come into contact with. In addition to that base ten is abstract, where as base two is a fundamental system, and it happens to be currently the most used numerical system on the planet by several orders of magnitude :)
Why send it in binary? That would be rather presumptive. There are other more fundamental ways to send such simple information. In the ratios of wavelengths of light, in the length of pulses/pauses, in the number of flashes. Perhaps a combination for extra clarity
sorry I think what I mean is the byte, that's the name for the grouping of bits right? Though if I remember correctly it is two groupings of four that make a byte. Though non of it really matters since the only aliens that could actually interact meaningfully with, would be ones that could travel to this planet.
What units are those numbers in? I tried mks: e = 1.60219x10^-19 Coulombs (Ampere-seconds) h-bar = 6.6262x10-34 Joule-seconds / 2pi (kg-m^2/s) c = 2.99792x10^8 m/s e^2/(h-bar*c) has units of Ampere^2 * seconds^4 / (kilograms*meters^3) Even after converting Amperes in terms of Newtons per meter, I'm left with seconds^2/meters^3 What input units yield a unitless 1/137?
@stardude692001 there is a rather simple explanation of the base 10 and the binary system on the golden record on both voyager spacecraft. browsing trough it's content imagining being an alien completely unfamiliar with anything on our planet is pretty awesome =)
It should be noted that he's using the non-Si version of the fine structure constant where Coulomb's constant is normalized to 1 and is dimensionless.. If you type what he put into your calculator, you will not get anything close to 1/137. To get the fine structure constant, multiply by what he wrote by: (1/(4*pi*epsilon-knot)) Where epsilon knot = the electric permittivity constant: 8.854187817…*10^-12 F/m This will result in about: 1/137.035999...
This professor has a very engaging manner. I'd love to hear more from him!
Thanks for these superb videos!
The Fine Structure Constant is simply the ratio of the speed of light in a vacuum to the speed of light in the electronic structure of the atom. This is why it is dimensionless, because it is a ratio of velocities.
Do the math, and you will be able to derive wonderful new interpretations for Planck's constant and quantum physics. Try it!
Thanks. He didn't say what it was a ratio of. Of course it wouldn't need units if it's a ratio.
Thanks for explaining in simple terms. It is just like pi in that regard, a ratio between measurements.
Hey everyone, the "alien civilisation" thing is just a thought experiment. What he means is, the fine structure constant is something independent of our unit system and perspective. Whether it is practical to send such a message is more or less irrelevant.
IamGrimalkin actually it's a reality. look up tengri137 I'm mind blown right now
LOL!!! Bravo! Irrelevant indeed, especially if "c" really is constant, at least for idiotic physicists and wanna-be space explorers. Think, if intelligent alien humanoids live more than a few hundred light years from here, by the time they would get that ridiculous message, "we" will probably be self-extincted. Anyway, to more advanced humanoids,137 and 1/137... and a bunch of other digitized Earth text may be indistinguishable from chaotic stellar RF noise. Furthermore, the fact that "alpha" mystifies "the great & famous" QM maths-physics stars, while being considered a sacred grail cow, proves that nobody understands QM. I think that's because QM can't help anyone understand the reality of the universal field of being (the totality of the present moment we might call cosmic reality). QM's high priests & groupies may as well be schizophrenics floating around in an intergalactic fog of dark energy. Yep, otherwise why say that the decimal version of 1/137... is its "precise" value, when it's really just a mathematical construct, a fuzzy label in a speculative bubble universe in the minds of humanoids who can't see the difference between maps & symbols and infinitely complex environmental realities? The maths are not the field phenomena they represent, approximately, at best. At worst, QM notions & shibboleths are as misleading as Ptolemaic myths, fictions & dogma.
Alpha's not independent of our perspective or unit system. Its rooted in oour fundamental appication of vision, memory, and cognition. And it does hold a certain type of dimension. The problem is not that its sooo mystified or complex , actually the opposite... its really simple and we tend to over look the great simplicity of light in matter. ...like a fish in the ocean.
@@MichaelMonterey I’m curious as to what value you bring to technology with your vastly superior skills in stringing unrelated words together. 😂
the speed of light and energy scale relation constants e.g. alpha have not produced one chip This useless speculation entertains the masses so they will not notice Biden with the cooperation of Republicans just signed a non funded bill to rebuild our semiconductor -chip industry.The same people who exported chip manufacturing to Taiwan and China (NOT DESIGNS)
"What's the code for the airlock?"
"One, three, seven."
"AMAZING! That's the same code I have on my luggage!"
I love that little animation of the electrons around an atom... Having seen it (and animated it myself) as little plastic spheres dancing around a collection of slightly larger plastic spheres so many times, that animation really helps get over the quantum particle/wave wassaname. Great stuff.
A true original. To my knowledge he's the first on CZcams to bring this subject into the spotlight. And even after 13.7 years there's not a word those contemporary experts can add to it.
33rd Prime is 137. Numbers have no Owners. Think b i g.
@@PisceanKiwi Interesting it matches the age of our universe, Is that big enough.
Interesting exchange... I'll make sure I pass this on to Professor Eaves!
Another interesting value for alpha is 1/(4pi^3 + pi^2 + pi). It actually approximates the recommended value up to 5 sig figs.
No that's the product to e^2 equal 1/137!
Very interesting Fact. I am speculating why the fine structure constant is
1 divided with 4*π^3 + π^2 + π
and the FSC always tell us about the force the EM field will influence two EM particles by.
It is so strage, that I am sure there is a higher meaning behind it.
Thank for your information.
In speciel circumstances, the
FSC ~ 1/137 ~ e^2 div 4*π ~1 div C
who tell us, that a person who have a velocity at 3,6 km/h for a resting observer will fell the moving of a secund as 1-(1/3 x 10^(-10)) secund.
It always tell us, that a meter from us always will have to have an equal length in time, namely (1/3 x 10^(-10)) secunds, more than witch time, we measure on our watchs.
I think it give us a intuative way to think about spacetime, timedialation and space curving.
But surely you can derive the same about time and space from Einsteins GR.
If i am not mistaken you could just factor out a pi to get 1/(π(4π^2 + π + 1)).
Then ok if we were to solve what you did 1/(3.14159 * (4 * 9.86959 + 3.14159 + 1))
1/(3.14159 * (39.47836 + 3.14159 + 1))
1/(3.14159 * 43.76095) =
1/137.29593
Interesting I know it’s the square but 4-2-1 is another interesting number along with 3x+1 ;-)
Personally I like 1/137 better then the 137.2953 bc it makes a beautiful pattern 0.0072992700729920072992700 like a spin or a dancing electron should be 😜
What a gem of a video!
Would love to know more about the fine structure constant. Came across it as a layman a few years ago and believe it links a lot of other constants and dictates (or rather expresses) the structure of the universe itself; hence your observation that we may not be here to discuss it
I agree, you are completely correct. I was simply using the word equation in repetition of what he said. A better word would be formula, or more specifically, it has a formual.
"Independent of units", because it IS the Number of Theoretical assembly of logarithmic coordination condensation modulation cause-effect. When Reciproction-recirculation is imposed line-of-sight superposition Singularity, THIS is the conic-cyclonic modulo-geometrical mechanism of inside-outside holographic time-timing presence. (Not your average number, the "Recursion to the Mean" Quiescent conglomeration @.dt zero-infinity sync-duration floating point embodiment)
Definitely Mathemagical. Truly fitting the constants of elemental e-Pi-i sync-duration connectivity.., in Principle.
When sending messahes to outer space, they only use the simplest bases: units ("tap out 137 beeps," as you say) and, to send "images", binary: on/off or long/short signals making up a rectangle with prime number side lengths.
Doctor , scientist, profe thank you and nice to see you!
@lotrfreak2010 0-9 are our base numbers, and we use the next 4 to show how our place value works. You could continue up to at least 23 if you wanted to be sure to get the message across. 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, add one value onto the left, repeat sequence. Stopping at ten wouldn't give them an example of how the system repeats
Loved this!
this guy is humbly awesome!!!
@KrustynailsVideo 137 in a octal numeral system (just as an example), 137 would be correspond to the number 95 in our decimal system.
Lovely bunch of people, thank's for sharing.
So this is why Rick named his dimension C-137.
Thank you kindly
At one time I took a maths course in which the prof asked what was special about 137. He mentioned that it's a prime, and some other characteristics, when a student commented that we were in Room 137. So one more reason 137 is special.
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Thanks for nice and simple explanation about Fine Structure Constant. I was actually going to watch the movie, 'UFO (2018)'. But before that wanted to understand what does the FSC means in physics, as the movie description in IMDB is telling about this dimensionless constant.
I just watched that movie last night, that's why I'm here.
@@tooberetta ditto
@lee155912000 For example velocity is measured in km/h or mi/h or m/s, all of these represent distance over time. Pi, on the other hand, is the ratio of the circle's circumference to its diameter, so it's distance/distance (cm/cm or km/km), thus they cancel each other out, leaving the number 'adimensional'. In this particular number, the dimensions also cancel out.
@Valendros I found a large poster on what to do if you're the first person to make contact with aliens but in this case, You'd put down 14 squares, in the dust or on paper or what have you. in each of these squares put dots representing each number. Then you'd repeat the process with the symbols 0-13 (so they understand our place value system and that we operate mostly in base 10)
Then you'd draw a simple math problem.
:.+::=:::. and repeat it with numbers. Do this a few times
How is this prof called? I love the sixty symbols videos with him even more than the other ones. He reminds me a lot of the greatest teacher I ever had back when I still had to go to school/high-school but I haven't seen his name in the descriptions of some videos I checked.
Only half a decade late answer but Professor Laurence Eaves
137º propagates Fibonnacci spirals in plants, as with sunflower seeds and cacti.
I believe I saw something on that years ago, before things like youtube.
It was either in the movie Contact or I saw it on some SETI special on the old history channel.
Either way I believe that is the agreed on message to send to show intelligent life.
Like he said, it's dimensionless and therefore is the same value in all measurement systems!
@RasmusLastname It'd probably be conveyed through number of filled squares on a grid or something, rather than the actual symbols '1', '3' and '7'. Probably not that way exactly but you know what I mean.
as it travels the light would be red shifted by the expansion of space, so a 45 second transmittion with 137 peaks might stretch to have 138 peaks or more depending on how far it went, yes we could compensate if we were directing the signal to a specific star and knew the distance, but I still think Carl Sagan's idea of prime numbers is the best way to do it.
Really nice video!!!
if you change the units of c the units of the other constants have to change too and they would be in the same ratio
He said "recherché"; when used in english conversation it generally refers to something chosen deliberately which has a rare quality or specific use, ie; "You may find this collection of late 19th century vacuum cleaner nozzles a little recherché." HTH
Perfect!
Excellent
Well when talking about pieces of information in binary there are bytes but we also know about cubits which are 1, 0, and neither. So the chance of being able to communicate successfully is quite low especially when you consider "Visible light" is less than one percent of the spectrum.
It just is. Profound.
On the beauty of the fine structure constant FSC), read
Barrow, John (2002) The Constants of Nature. Pantheon.
There are 3 known attractive/repulsive forces: electromagnetism (EMF), gravity, and the strong force holding the nucleus together. Each force has dimensionless "coupling constant". FSC is the coupling constant for EMF. Forces are mediated by boson exchange. The boson mediating EMF is the photon. The FSC thus underlies almost all of physics, chemistry, biology and technology.
Michael Atiyah's supposed proof of the Riemann Hypothesis is based on the Fine Structure Constant. I hope it turns out to be correct.
@VoxSweden Was thinking the same thing. We might aswell have been working with a system other than the decimal one and it would still feel "natural" to us.
@Poleschs hearing him go eh can keep on going for weeks and weeks and it'll still be interesting
@Valendros let's hope the have long-range photon sensors of some kind, or at least one sense in common
We discovered the fine structure constant in 1916, so an 18 years difference isn't really that much time compared to the probability that they will have had radio transimitters for at least the same amount of time as us, if not longer. If we have had transmitters for about114 years and we have known about the constant for about 96 years, that ratio goes to 1,100%, as the limit is taken as time goes to infinity of a function of time. So it's safe to say they were founded at roughly the same time.
Red shift would alter the frequency and wavelength of the wave, not the number of peaks in the wave.
The way signals are generally transmitted through radio waves is either by Amplitude Modulation or Frequency Modulation (AM or FM), rather than attempting to explain thoroughly in the comments character limit I'd suggest checking out the Wiki page on Radio, under the Transmitter and Modulation subsection, this should give you some idea on how these processes work. Hope you find it helpful.
Who's rock'n out to this banger in 2020! :-)
Yeah :)
@700 That's why you send 137 pulses, not the actual number 137.
@danthemanzizzle Since it is a "pure number" as mentioned in the vid, it is a ratio that comes out the same no matter what measurement is used. For instance; when using th radian system to measure an angle the value would be the same whether oyu measured in inches or centimeters or anything. Since a radian is the ratio between the radius and the length of the arc, any unit used will cancel itself out in the division. Aren't Pure Numbers awwesome?
@alucardmath
Ah, okay, that works. I got 0.007296 using values rounded to 4 sig figs. That's close enough to 1/137 for my tastes!
Thanks. I don't know why the permittivity constant wasn't mentioned in the video, though I probably should have recognized it given the units I ended up with . .
After my own heart. A no. Cruncher.
@tronulu exactly 1:37PM or military time 13:37 :D
I like that he said recherche. Apparently he is a numberphile and a word smith.
Nice handwright !
Thanks
It would be interesting the results on equations if you mess with decimal parts of the number to see how it will mess will all the universe. I mean, in a parallel universe when the 20th decimal value changed a tiny bit. How compatible this universe would be compared with ours.
If you would use feet instead of meter in each constant you'd get the same value. If you would mix them you would get something like m/ft, which is dimensionless, but has a conversion factor, in this case 0.3048. Divide your result by the conversion factor and you get the same result.
still alive?
The first man in this video, i love him, i wish to find more of him if there is another channel I may find him, i find him very Feynman-esqu and it's excellent.
What do the Twistors of Roger Penrose and the Hopf Fibrations of Eric Weinstein and the "Belt Trick" of Paul Dirac have in common?
In Spinors it takes two complete turns to get down the "rabbit hole" (Alpha Funnel 3D--->4D) to produce one twist cycle (1 Quantum unit).
Can both Matter and Energy be described as "Quanta" of Spatial Curvature? (A string is revealed to be a twisted cord when viewed up close.) Mass= 1/Length, with each twist cycle of the 4D Hypertube proportional to Planck’s Constant.
In this model Alpha equals the compactification ratio within the twistor cone, which is approximately 1/137.
1= Hypertubule diameter at 4D interface
137= Cone’s larger end diameter at 3D interface where the photons are absorbed or emitted.
The 4D twisted Hypertubule gets longer or shorter as twisting or untwisting occurs. (720 degrees per twist cycle.)
one problem would be it would only last for a fraction of a second. I don't know if we have the technology to send a signal like that.
The bigger problem with that is that it could look just like a random pulsar, the main thing you want to convey is that the signal is artificial, just the fact you can send a radio signal means you are intelligent, you don't need to add math to impress.
We could also easily argue that any civilisation that has developed electronic transmissions, and thus the technology to listen for us, has worked out a binary system (base 2), so we could just send it out using that.
137 separate beeps gets a bit tedious..
The value is a bit differ. To four digits that is the charge of the electron in Planck units.
I love 137
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Wouldn't it determine the properties of metals since metals are basically a lattice of nuclei in an electron gas?
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It could be different in different universes, but he didn't say it would be good to send to different universes; it would be good to send to other planets in our own universe (own galaxy really..)
The number is definitely dimensionless. Defining alpha with c expressed in feet/s or miles/s does change it completely, because those are arbitrary measurements. meters/s is the SI unit for velocity, and because the other constants in the expression are defined according to this same SI model, it does result in a perfectly dimensionless ratio. Aliens would find it to be the same, because regardless of their units of measurement, the *ratio* between the constants would yield the same result.
I wonder what the universe would be like if the fine structure constant were *exactly* 137?
This makes me want to study across the pond. :( maybe one day in my 40's
In some other very similar universe alpha is almost EXACTLY the inverse of 137, thereby baffling its intelligent inhabitants.
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In the American pronunciation, you are correct, however British English does include the 'and'.
The point was that if we want to send something that will almost surely not be confused with just random static, something basic to the universe would be the most likely option.
I love fundimental constants. In a universe as mysterious as ours, they are like a way of nailing a cloud to a wall.
They are like the parameters of the matrix we live in.
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"If they have telescopes and radio transmitters, they will know this constant"--We had telescopes and radio transmitters in 1898; but we certainly didn't know anything about this constant. Admittedly we didn't yet have either solid state or "hollow state" eg. vacuum tube, electronics. Broadly, this is true, however.
@DragonlordWarlock or 137 dots
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I found out that the fine structure is a variable in the Hawking-Bekenstein entropy of an electron mass. To see my proof there is a video I made on my channel.
137 + 69 = THE code
do a search of 'THE MAYA CODE 137 69 key to portals'
>>>it is actually best to start on page 1 read the brief intro and then skip to page 4 work backwards to the first post. It is disjointed because it is only a repository of associations.
re: last post, notice I used the word KEY TO PORTALS, of course because 137 is placed between TWO SPECTRAL LINES, or how about we take a LEAP of reasoning is that the TWO MASONIC Pillars or TWO QaBaLaH Pillars in the Tree of Life mark the gate or PORTAL.
Now we can YAK about why those TWO TWIN TOWERS came crashing down.
In a unified world, it is all connected and evidence of a narrative ALREADY WRITTEN, its signature 137, is unfolding.
Now I know, thanks for the info :)
But that is not the equation for the fine structure constant. He left off the 4 pi times the permittivity of free space from the denominator. Plus, it is highly likely the fine structure constant changes over cosmological time, like the Hubble constant does.
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Why e^2/(h cut)c a non dimensional constant? Doesn't e have a dimension in charge (or current and time)?
No. Ratios are dimensionless. Pi, for example, has no units.
the units of e e / h c cancel out
Those numbers are the same everywhere on every planet in the universe. Physics doesn;t change depending on what planet you're on.
Thank you very much for this video. I am trying to understand "137" in the context of CIG Theory. If you want, learn CIG Theory and attempt to apply "137". I am doing the same but my math is bad.
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How is it that e^2/h bar.c is also miraculously the relative weakness of the em force compared with the strong force?
isn't coulomb's constant also involved in its definition though?
@Remorath how would that affect anything?
thanks man
you would send it in binary since you can't really beam numbers across the sky. better with on/off signals
Can you guys do a video about the Eddington-Dirac number ?
To send the signal it would be in binary, which any species that uses data transmission would have to come into contact with. In addition to that base ten is abstract, where as base two is a fundamental system, and it happens to be currently the most used numerical system on the planet by several orders of magnitude :)
Why send it in binary? That would be rather presumptive. There are other more fundamental ways to send such simple information. In the ratios of wavelengths of light, in the length of pulses/pauses, in the number of flashes. Perhaps a combination for extra clarity
I like the number 23 because it's in everything I say and do. It's in my whole life. I don't know why thought...
sorry I think what I mean is the byte, that's the name for the grouping of bits right? Though if I remember correctly it is two groupings of four that make a byte.
Though non of it really matters since the only aliens that could actually interact meaningfully with, would be ones that could travel to this planet.
"The so called, 'fine structure constant.'" He knew! Well, it was after 2006, but that sounded like weighing in to me.
What units are those numbers in? I tried mks:
e = 1.60219x10^-19 Coulombs (Ampere-seconds)
h-bar = 6.6262x10-34 Joule-seconds / 2pi (kg-m^2/s)
c = 2.99792x10^8 m/s
e^2/(h-bar*c) has units of Ampere^2 * seconds^4 / (kilograms*meters^3)
Even after converting Amperes in terms of Newtons per meter, I'm left with seconds^2/meters^3
What input units yield a unitless 1/137?
@stardude692001 there is a rather simple explanation of the base 10 and the binary system on the golden record on both voyager spacecraft.
browsing trough it's content imagining being an alien completely unfamiliar with anything on our planet is pretty awesome =)
It should be noted that he's using the non-Si version of the fine structure constant where Coulomb's constant is normalized to 1 and is dimensionless.. If you type what he put into your calculator, you will not get anything close to 1/137.
To get the fine structure constant, multiply by what he wrote by: (1/(4*pi*epsilon-knot))
Where epsilon knot = the electric permittivity constant: 8.854187817…*10^-12 F/m
This will result in about: 1/137.035999...
It is not exactly 137, sadly
And it was at that point that the aliens would have decided to not talk to beings throwing inaccurate reciprocals around the universe.
I'm hopelessly fascinated by physics. Simple.
Why is 1 special ?
You can send the 137 in binary, an obvious universal counting system
or you can even send 137 equal length beeps, with a long period of rest between each set of 137.
It's in the Rendlesham incident, goes to 14 decimal places.