Boeing: How Capitalism Crashes Planes

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Komentáře • 392

  • @arcanineryu
    @arcanineryu Před 3 měsíci +498

    Theres only so much fat that can be trimmed in the name of efficiency before you start peeling off layers of muscle, tendon, bone, and even organs.

    • @Why_am_i_heree
      @Why_am_i_heree Před 3 měsíci +22

      Underrated comment

    • @eyesofthecervino3366
      @eyesofthecervino3366 Před 3 měsíci

      Not to mention the fattiest of organs . . . _the braaaiiiiin._

    • @omnaaa
      @omnaaa Před 3 měsíci +35

      You’re not even supposed to trim all of the fat. The healthy amount of fat’s purpose is to protect and warm you.

  • @Izerion
    @Izerion Před 3 měsíci +906

    It feels like we are in a Scooby Doo universe except every boogeyman is just capitalism in disguise. Or not even in disguise.

    • @QuadrielAnderson
      @QuadrielAnderson Před 3 měsíci +42

      ​@lindmorn5909it's not that no one cares. It's that everyone is scared that once we start advocating, they'll just straight up off us.

    • @michaelangeloabarreto4588
      @michaelangeloabarreto4588 Před 3 měsíci +38

      Lol In Scooby Doo every villain IS capitalism.

    • @viridianacortes9642
      @viridianacortes9642 Před 3 měsíci +22

      @@michaelangeloabarreto4588yeah dude. One of the reasons so many villains in that show wore those monster costumes was because there was a recession going on in the show.

    • @nobodyimportant1968
      @nobodyimportant1968 Před 3 měsíci +1

      lindmorn5909 seriously, it's like a venn diagram of monsters co-piloting a giant mech suit labeled KYRIARCHY (/agree)

    • @MR-xc3sw
      @MR-xc3sw Před 3 měsíci

      Wel.under that mask is Xi jinping.

  • @elleliteracy
    @elleliteracy Před 3 měsíci +202

    i wanna watch this but i’m going on a 12 hour flight to korea next week and i know i would be imagining myself getting sucked out the plane so i am here to say love you support you will be returning in 7-10
    business days

    • @TatersUnited
      @TatersUnited Před 3 měsíci +6

      I flew on a 737 max a few weeks ago. I was pretty freaked out lol. But hey, I’m still here.

  • @Danae_O
    @Danae_O Před 3 měsíci +524

    Langewiesche being like "sure, there were so many factors against those pilots outside their control, including crucial failings on the part of Boeing, but pilots in the old days were built different darn it"

    • @the_expidition427
      @the_expidition427 Před 3 měsíci +5

      This is social corporatism this being capitalism is wrong

    • @bethanybrookes8479
      @bethanybrookes8479 Před 3 měsíci +4

      Idk if the pilots were built different, but the planes definitely were.

    • @TheTurtlebot
      @TheTurtlebot Před 2 měsíci

      Bro literally pulled a "back in my day" as if there aren't plenty of pilots his age still flying

  • @notarabbit1752
    @notarabbit1752 Před 3 měsíci +308

    important to note that the reason why the pilots weren't told about MCAS was to save money. Specifically when Airbus updated their competing plane, it was done in such a way that no retraining would be needed to fly it. Recertification on a new model is very time consuming and expensive, requiring pilots to be temporarily grounded. So the bar for Boeing was set there, to update the 737 without requiring retraining. But they couldn't get it to fly the same without MCAS, and they were afraid that the added system would induce a need for recertifying the pilots. So they just didn't tell them about it.

    • @semekiizuio
      @semekiizuio Před 3 měsíci

      Omg so they rather trade people lives for money. The planes sold as ready to go were actually prototypes test run experimenting

    • @thewhitefalcon8539
      @thewhitefalcon8539 Před 3 měsíci +40

      Same reason it only used one sensor. If they made it use both sensors the FAA would ask: seems like this system is important enough to need two sensors so why didn't you tell the pilots about this important system?

    • @3dartxsi
      @3dartxsi Před 3 měsíci +6

      I'm reminded of that scene from Chernobyl where the guy was saying how the Soviet Union did all of these unsafe things with their nuclear reactors and when asked why he said "because it's cheaper."

    • @jbmp1390
      @jbmp1390 Před 3 měsíci +3

      I don't understand how it wouldn't be considered criminal negligence at the absolute least.

    • @thewhitefalcon8539
      @thewhitefalcon8539 Před 3 měsíci

      @@jbmp1390 they're above the law

  • @monimuppet6132
    @monimuppet6132 Před 3 měsíci +267

    "If John Oliver is doing a piece on your company, it's too late." Facts 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @user-rc2yf8kt7i
    @user-rc2yf8kt7i Před 3 měsíci +409

    Astonishing they just bold faced unalived that whistleblower and no one is in jail. Some people are just above the law I guess so long as they have enough money. To face the music, America is a banana republic, but instead of bananas we have planes and bad software.

    • @bjaarki
      @bjaarki Před 3 měsíci +100

      Homie you can say the word killed on youtube. They killed him.

    • @chloedsmith
      @chloedsmith Před 3 měsíci +64

      When you've sucked foreign wells dry, and now have to turn to gnawing off your own arm. It's the same tactics as always, now just aimed at and visible to the people who previously benefitted (even indirectly).
      Who woulda thunk it, infinite growth is not actually sustainable!

    • @fieryrebirth
      @fieryrebirth Před 3 měsíci

      No, it's been a plutocracy with a side of kleptocracy at this stage of capitalism. The moment when the "Democracy" part ended in the US is when money entered politics and/or bribery became legal(Via Citizens United). No one in Congress has any reason to work for the working class, as they all serve their donors/lobbyists, but they sure do work to maintain the illusion that they "care".

    • @thewhitefalcon8539
      @thewhitefalcon8539 Před 3 měsíci +31

      Boeing is a branch of the military industrial complex that just happens to make airliners as well btw

    • @hotcakesism
      @hotcakesism Před 3 měsíci +22

      ​@@chloedsmithneoliberalism gives way to classic fascism

  • @comradeinternet467
    @comradeinternet467 Před 3 měsíci +140

    If one is a musician, one knows they have "made it" when they get parodied by Weird Al. If one's company ends up as the centrepiece of a John Oliver segment, that company is already dead.

    • @Bob-bs9ok
      @Bob-bs9ok Před 3 měsíci +6

      Given that Boeing's a military contractor and megecorp, they're just getting started.

  • @josephtaylor-leach5617
    @josephtaylor-leach5617 Před 3 měsíci +113

    Before my grandfather retired from Boeing (even before mcdonall Douglas acquisition) he complained that "a handshake doesn't mean anything anymore"
    The corporate culture was changing even before the merger.

  • @jjskn93
    @jjskn93 Před 3 měsíci +145

    I used to know a "plain spotter" that used to work at an airport during the 90's. Apparently they have a term called "Deathonomics" where they know of every fault and shortcoming of the aircraft but because of cost they ignore them unless people start dying. I'v seen this sort of thing on the railways when I worked on them (uk). It's maddening because everyone thinks you're some sort of conspiracy theorist if you tell them.

    • @AngeliteEntyshak
      @AngeliteEntyshak Před 3 měsíci +3

      Also observable through Mc Donald's willingness to serve coffee at completely dangerous temperatures because the risk of resultant lawsuits would be less expensive than tossing out coffee that's gone bad.

    • @Spencer-wc6ew
      @Spencer-wc6ew Před měsícem

      I took 1 entry level economics class in college. Within the first 2 weeks, they were teaching us how to calculate when fixing a product saves more money than the wrongful death lawsuits that would be caused by ignoring it.

    • @lzh4950
      @lzh4950 Před měsícem

      Reminds me also of when my mother would rather return a library book late & pay the fine, because on the day that the book was due & which we'd originally planned to return it, we had a change of plans & was no longer had any reason to go out of our house (other than to return the book on time), & my mother calculated that the cost of petrol/gas to drive that day just to go to the library to return the book on time outweighed the fine

  • @dylnpickl846
    @dylnpickl846 Před 3 měsíci +51

    Yes thank you. The system isn't broken, capitalism is working just as intended. It is SO frustrating to hear rhetoric essentially saying "we need better capitalists" when what we need is to pivot away from capital-based decision making entirely.
    Also, your points about deskilling are so relevant. I have noticed a significant downturn in the competence of all professions I encounter as a consumer. There is a lack of basic training in almost all fields leading to lapses in competence in some of the basic areas of customer service. It reminds me of a King of the Hill episode where the power goes out while Hank is attempting to make a purchase at the store. The clerk claims that without power he cannot calculate the sale tax or even lock the front door, which Hank thinks is ridiculous. Reliance on automation is convenient, but also dangerous if we abandon the skills they replace.

  • @karl_margs
    @karl_margs Před 3 měsíci +82

    Capitalism crashes cars too. Auto fatalities are on the rise

    • @semekiizuio
      @semekiizuio Před 3 měsíci +14

      The headlights.... they are violating safety laws

    • @karl_margs
      @karl_margs Před 3 měsíci +21

      ​@@semekiizuioyou're probably right about that. Auto companies also flout environmental regs by just producing vehicles in larger weight classes. Personally, I think safety regs aren't stringent enough, and personal vehicles should be limited to 1.5L manual transmission engines. (with dimmer headlights 😊)

    • @deathisdead270
      @deathisdead270 Před 3 měsíci +8

      @@karl_margs I think we need more public transportation in general as well. It would help avoid traffic incidents and save overall time and money.

    • @TatersUnited
      @TatersUnited Před 3 měsíci +1

      Auto fatalities aren’t typically related to faulty manufacturing though. It’s almost always due to poor drivers.

    • @doctahjonez
      @doctahjonez Před 3 měsíci +2

      For pedestrians that is, cars are getting safer but a bigger liability. Our pickup trucks look like tanks now lol

  • @congquypham8718
    @congquypham8718 Před 3 měsíci +176

    It's so boever

    • @willmax95
      @willmax95 Před 3 měsíci +9

      Boever😂😂😂 new term unlocked

    • @matheussanthiago9685
      @matheussanthiago9685 Před 3 měsíci +8

      Ah yes, my favorite 80's prog rock icon
      David Boever

  • @internalizedhappyness9774
    @internalizedhappyness9774 Před 3 měsíci +108

    Elliot’s back must be tired from carrying Boeings coffin around! 😂

  • @ellabouy3668
    @ellabouy3668 Před 3 měsíci +50

    I have an uncle who is an engineer for delta and durring covid in 2019-2021 (i think), he was the last person of a 20 person project who hadnt been let go and he had to single handedly take on the entire freakin work load and meet the same deadlines. He was working over a hundred hours a week trying to get everything done.
    Thats a singel case that im personally aware of, its not surprising at all that stuff has gone wrong. Nothing against the people trying to work because they are doing their best. Oh my lord tho, what is wrong with the higher-ups not caring about quality or idk, things just being done correctly or double checked???

  • @caiden3396
    @caiden3396 Před 3 měsíci +86

    Poor Barnet. Dude had the same possible fate as Eugene Malove, Jonathon Kanzius, Will Colby, Gary Kildal, Donny Mackay, Stan Meyer, NickTesla, Hilda Murrel, Franklin Olson, and Dave Kelly.

    • @availanila
      @availanila Před 3 měsíci +2

      Sheesh! That's too many David's dying taking on Goliaths.

  • @MorbidRexx
    @MorbidRexx Před 3 měsíci +55

    I find the argument of the "let's just hope for a better capitalist to take over" to be especially infuriating when talking to liberals and conservatives about these types of issues. Never mind the fact that capitalism's internal logic will always pre-select leaders to be those that have already demonstrated through their careers that they are competent in the system of profit, because this is only a piece of the argument. The real core is this "well let's just hope for a better boss/CEO/manager, etc.," and that is what peasants used to say about kings and queens that were particularly tyrannical. Why do we need to "hope" that the "next one" will be better? Why is there such an inherent safety in having someone else we can't control as a population, be responsible for things that material affect the lives of millions, if not billions of people. The origin of democracy was specifically so we didn't have to "hope for a better leader next time", and people today are totally comfortable using the logic of kings to justify private business leaders and it just leaves me absolutely baffled every time I hear it.

  • @NattiNekoMaid
    @NattiNekoMaid Před 3 měsíci +26

    4:50 can we talk about the vertical video cropped for widescreen cropped back to vertical all inside a widescreen container that I myself am watching with my phone vertical

  • @kylesmith2145
    @kylesmith2145 Před 3 měsíci +46

    I deeply appreciate that you dont edit out when you moentarily forget words or phrases. I have found joy shouting the words youre looking for at my phone

  • @connerblank5069
    @connerblank5069 Před 3 měsíci +37

    Some people think you can design a game that prioritizes victory above all else by giving people who win substantial extra advantage in subsequent rounds, incentivises cheating extensively by letting everyone who ever manages it _keep_ the advantage into future rounds, and then act surprised when everyone just cheats all the time instead of actually playing the game.
    Still not sure why.

    • @polyhedron4258
      @polyhedron4258 Před 3 měsíci +2

      You're assuming there aren't always cheaters willing to do whatever it takes in their own self interest. At least the current game sometimes aligns that with a common good. I don't think its a choice that advantage cascades, thats just how it works. How would it even be possible to remove "excess" advantage without coercion/violence? A lot of it is intangible like specific education/knowledge/relationships. Concentrations of power doesn't seem to be a uniquely capitalist problem, what we have is just adapted to capitalism.

    • @connerblank5069
      @connerblank5069 Před 3 měsíci +8

      @@polyhedron4258 Of course there are always going to be cheaters. The problem isn't the existence of cheaters, it's the fact that we _reward them for trying._ If they were punished for it, they wouldn't be the only successful people.
      And yeah, cascade advantage isn't _uniquely_ a feature of capitalism, but it _is_ the trait capitalism tries to optimize for. The whole premise is giving successful people more resources so they can be more successful. It _is_ a choice, and we _could_ decide to do things other ways which don't _exclusively prioritize_ arbitrary success.

    • @polyhedron4258
      @polyhedron4258 Před 3 měsíci

      @@connerblank5069 I think everyone probably agrees with punishing cheaters, we'll just never be able to do it 100% or have the intended effect of stopping cheating. They just cheat in another way. (I'm reminded of modern pvp multiplayer, ugh)
      Also on a logistics level, if you paint the cheater brush too wide, you get false positives. Get enough of those combined with harsher consequences and less want to risk playing at a high level.
      I feel like we already (should) have the mechanism to force organizations to prioritize things outside of arbitrary success through regulation, no? Just seems like the problem is corporations are linked too closely to the courts.
      Optimizing for success is probably arbitrary, but what other metric could you optimize for that wouldn't also result in some other problem? Seems like tradeoffs. You can only optimize equity for so long until the opportunity cost means the super unequal/cheater-infested places of the world have a higher standard of living or more wealth in total to bully everyone else with.

    • @polyhedron4258
      @polyhedron4258 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@connerblank5069 Ideally, thats what the court of law is supposed to do. Problem is with enough $$ or power they can just lobby/delay/bully/settle/pay fines, without actually addressing their behaviours. We need jail time, not fines.
      On broad level, regulation is supposed to align organizations along other concerns, but I feel like every other kind of specific trait alignment would cause its own problems too. There is an opportunity cost in not pursuing advantage, you will be out competed eventually by someone who does.

    • @deathisdead270
      @deathisdead270 Před 3 měsíci

      Unfortunately the systems is working as intended, there are no cheaters, that’s just how the game was meant to be played.

  • @protoretro1290
    @protoretro1290 Před 3 měsíci +12

    That "door" wasnt a door. It was a door plug, a more or less permanent addition that plugs up the hole cut out for a door specifically because you dont want a door there.

  • @serenediipity
    @serenediipity Před 3 měsíci +59

    had the unfortunate experience of flying boeing 2 weeks ago. it was my first flight in 4 years and my brother's first time ever on a plane and i genuinely expected us to go down or lose part of the plane at any moment. i wish the airline industry had more competition cause having only two major airplane makers in america while we have so many car options is scary

    • @lyq232
      @lyq232 Před 3 měsíci

      Wait, other than Boeing, who else is a major civilian aircraft manufacturer in the USA?

    • @fucchan_xo
      @fucchan_xo Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​@@lyq232 Airbus!

    • @lyq232
      @lyq232 Před 3 měsíci

      @@fucchan_xo You sure Airbus ain't European?

    • @fucchan_xo
      @fucchan_xo Před 3 měsíci

      @@lyq232 Whoops, sorry! It is!

    • @kuroneco-j4n
      @kuroneco-j4n Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@lyq232 They are but they do have manufacturing plants in the USA, however they are pretty recent, though they have obviously been providing planes since forever for the USA.

  • @Jeustful
    @Jeustful Před 3 měsíci +39

    What can we really do apart from from boycotting the hell out of them?

    • @420pee
      @420pee Před 3 měsíci +30

      individual actions will not go far, but there is an international revolutionary communist party being built. uniting workers internationally is exactly what capitalists are afraid of. uniting our struggle means we can see socialism in our lifetime.

    • @mattdombrowski8435
      @mattdombrowski8435 Před 3 měsíci +10

      More practically, focus on the local/state level. You are 1/333,000,000 of the American public. Not going to make much of a difference there. On average, you are 1/6,700,000 of your state's population. It's hard to find a good number for city size like that, but it's probably less than 50,000. My advice is to get involved in local politics. You and a few friends can make a big difference at that level. Attend planning meeting and try to shout down the NIMBYs, pressure your mayor/city council/whatever into managing police better or improving public transit or school/library funding etc. Maybe your state reps need to hear from several thousand people about improving state safety regulations.

    • @zlaidroc8921
      @zlaidroc8921 Před 3 měsíci +2

      its impossible to boycott boeing

    • @gloverfox9135
      @gloverfox9135 Před 3 měsíci

      @@420peego to North Korea if you want your communist utopia then. I’m sure you’ll do fine

    • @CrackedPropane
      @CrackedPropane Před 3 měsíci +3

      I’m going to Cali for my honeymoon and Boeing was unavoidable, it’s too late to cancel the flight Im extremely nervous

  • @elliotsangestevez
    @elliotsangestevez  Před 3 měsíci +35

    thanks so much to babila for the edit!

    • @BABILA.
      @BABILA. Před 3 měsíci +6

      it was a fun one to edit! thanks for the opportunity :,)

    • @silverandexact
      @silverandexact Před 3 měsíci +2

      ​@@BABILA.the use of the All Things Considered theme took me out 🤣

    • @BABILA.
      @BABILA. Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@silverandexact ah, a fellow enjoyer of public radio! haha

  • @keiththorpe9571
    @keiththorpe9571 Před 3 měsíci +5

    Boeings' new corporate slogan
    Boeing: We'll Just Deal With The Wrongful Death Lawsuits...It's Cheaper.

  • @elainelouve
    @elainelouve Před 3 měsíci +11

    I'm close with an engineer, and yeah, capitalism is affecting product development in many fields.🤐 The weirdest thing is how everyone is talking about innovation and saving money, but also hinder innovation and make the company lose money unnecessarily.

  • @katejackson4142
    @katejackson4142 Před 3 měsíci +6

    This is what happens when you allow companies to do their own inspections instead of having federal inspections.

  • @chloedsmith
    @chloedsmith Před 3 měsíci +122

    Something something capitalism is a meritocracy! ....right?
    Is anyone else just *tired?*

    • @thewhitefalcon8539
      @thewhitefalcon8539 Před 3 měsíci +13

      Everyone is tired

    • @ErutaniaRose
      @ErutaniaRose Před 3 měsíci +8

      Yeah. Especially with the ableism. So many CRABs…so many. (Currently regarded as able bodied)

    • @donnngles
      @donnngles Před 3 měsíci +31

      Im sick of the only metric of success being capital. Social needs and human needs get ignored for not being profitable enough.

    • @chloedsmith
      @chloedsmith Před 3 měsíci +15

      @@donnngles in this system, the *only* thing that saves us is regulation. You can't trust corporations to do the right thing any further than what secures their profit, and even that depends on what they think they can get away with.
      But of course, it's a losing battle to try and patch holes as the little guy or the slow/hamstrung government, when you're working against a swarm of hungry, violent assholes doing their best to undo your work as you go.
      Even just the burden of actually caring and taking peoples' opinions into account (as you should) makes the task pretty daunting.

    • @gloverfox9135
      @gloverfox9135 Před 3 měsíci +1

      More meritocratic than communist countries, which only require loyalty to the dear leader to get high level jobs.

  • @lachlanlau
    @lachlanlau Před 3 měsíci +9

    There have been many comments on videos about Boeing which come from former employees expressing how the issue is with management. Thank you for bringing this to a larger audience.

  • @davidvirin5987
    @davidvirin5987 Před 3 měsíci +29

    I'm a student pilot. Wrote a paper about MCAS a few years ago. While I agree that Boeing is severely lacking in competence, I just have to say these technical descriptions are something 😂

  • @goosewithagibus
    @goosewithagibus Před 3 měsíci +46

    I need to keep this video ready to send to people about how capitalism ruins stuff. Every time I try to explain it, from games, food, to airplanes, people JUST DON'T GET IT ahhhhhh

  • @adamkrainski9600
    @adamkrainski9600 Před 3 měsíci +18

    This is a good video EXCEPT for the run of "Boeing failures" around the 5 minute mark. I'm an airline pilot for context. These sorts of things happen constantly! Airplanes are huge, complicated machines running 24/7 in harsh conditions. Things are gonna break.
    What is worthwhile is noting that through all of these, nobody died and very few were injured. Also, many of these are more attributable to airline maintenance practices and aircraft age than Boeing. Especially the Atlas 747. That airframe was 27 years old! And it has 4 engines! And is a cargo aircraft!
    As usual with these videos, the intention is spot on and I agree with many of the takeaways, but also please please please talk to a subject matter expert before throwing claims together like that.

    • @biharcourt
      @biharcourt Před 3 měsíci

      If it was no matter, why did Boeing 💀 the whistleblower?

  • @Coffeemancer
    @Coffeemancer Před 3 měsíci +5

    I love stopping the data brokers by giving all my info to a company on a youtube ad which we know are definitely trustworthy. You know it's good because everyone on youtube has personally used it and says it's good.

  • @toffeetheskunk6319
    @toffeetheskunk6319 Před 3 měsíci +12

    guess its time to crash on the couch and watch a good video essay

  • @magnificloud
    @magnificloud Před 3 měsíci +17

    Im really appreciating the boeing puns in this comment section

  • @mayaa1018
    @mayaa1018 Před 3 měsíci +73

    capitalism really is the reason. in intro level business classes they literally emphasize cost and profit, the lower the cost the higher the profit. regulations based on good ethics? they mean nth with loopholes. it happens with our food, cosmetics, clothing, literally everything. everyone should take at least one intro to business class and a public health class as well. it’ll all click!!

    • @angelinatran4930
      @angelinatran4930 Před 3 měsíci +12

      I'd take a class, but I worry I'd gag every time. I took a labour studies course about workers rights and the first thing they said was "this is the class that tells you what actually happens to people when business teaches you how to become 'successful'"

    • @mayaa1018
      @mayaa1018 Před 3 měsíci +7

      @@angelinatran4930 this is understandable, i get so annoyed with the material i read. being informed can be very frustrating but i can’t not be at the same time! being triggered while tryna learn just sucks 😭😭😭

    • @seleciaa
      @seleciaa Před 3 měsíci

      I'd add intro to microeconomics to the list! The class is highly educational regarding how this messed up system operates.

    • @conrogers6409
      @conrogers6409 Před 3 měsíci

      This is not true at all. You've clearly never taken an economics course. Price is determined by supply and demand. Entrepreneurs maximize profit by selling goods at the equilibrium price. If companies are selling crappy products, it's because people are willing to buy them.

    • @wumi2419
      @wumi2419 Před 3 měsíci

      @@conrogers6409 let's assume that price is determined by supply and demand (which is an oversimplification). But what you are looking for is not price, it's profit. Which is the difference between price and cost.
      Most economics classes ignore the reality of things requiring resources to make entirely. Because if they did not ignore that reality, instead of a simple graph with two lines intersecting, and a simple point of "intersection=good" you get additional bottom line that is cost of production and what you need to find is not an intersection, but a maximum of "(price - cost) * demand".
      Going further into reality, there is cost of storage, cost of shipping, cost of marketing, product quality, availability and choice. Companies are selling crappy products because you don't need to make a good product, you need to make a best product available. And that's not even stepping into market of luxury goods, where the product itself doesn't matter and it's price is determined by brand.

  • @PokhrajRoy.
    @PokhrajRoy. Před 3 měsíci +20

    Elliot’s videos are not Boeing, I will say that much. It’s always a delight 🔥
    P.S. Hope you’re feeling better by now!

  • @Okuni_
    @Okuni_ Před 3 měsíci +3

    one thing to remember is that, without MCAS, the plane works.
    the problem is that if you fly it like previous 737s you're gonna stall like Elliot says. the more expensive and safer solution to this problem is to make a new manual and training program for 737 MAX' new handling characteristics

  • @Razorrrrrrrrrrrr
    @Razorrrrrrrrrrrr Před 3 měsíci +3

    I really learned of Boeing bc when I was young, like 10 year’s old, I was obsessed with … air crash investigations xd,

  • @NotAnEvilMastermind
    @NotAnEvilMastermind Před 3 měsíci +2

    To provide a quick and rudimentary explanation of what the MCAS is for - As planes have evolved, newer, more efficient engines were made. But these better engines are bigger than the old ones. It wasn't a problem for the Airbus A320 because they have tall landing gear. But the Boeing 737 has short landing gear, and as such, not enough space under the wings to fit a huge engine.
    As such, the engine was moved further forward on the wing for the MAX series, causing it to handle differently than the older 737 models.
    The MCAS was supposed to make corrections to have the plane handle like the older ones, without needing to retrain pilots for the new way it handles. But of course, then the issues come up with how Boeing figured pilots don't need to know about this new system that's going to try correcting their inputs.

  • @TheQuietPartisLoud
    @TheQuietPartisLoud Před 3 měsíci +16

    Boeing, Boeing, gone!

    • @ajasen
      @ajasen Před 3 měsíci

      yeah they employ a lot folks in Seattle along with suppliers.... not good for workers

  • @schokoladenritter7969
    @schokoladenritter7969 Před 3 měsíci +5

    "What's the conclusion then? What's the call to action?" These are the questions that conservatives do not ask enough about any issue, especially the extreme right. It's like they are happy in knowing that many people are doing poorly/suffering, that some people are meant to have all the power and should be able to abuse others as they please. I remember Jordan Peterson's talk on how some people's IQ are too low and that these people can't be given proper jobs in society. Ok, what are we supposed to do about that? Surely, you are implying that we should take ethical measures to help these people, right?

  • @madgepickles
    @madgepickles Před 3 měsíci +5

    When you said Boeing's "incompetence" you said it in a way where I'm assuming you meant to imply something else but don't want to get sued for defamation or whatever. So I'll say it: Boeing leadership was not incompetent in the sense of "they don't know what they are doing" or "they didn't mean for their business practices to have these outcomes". They intentionally, and with full knowledge of the real down line impacts on the product quality, cut qaqc budgets, employee volume, and employee training in order to maximize the money going to their own pockets. In doing so, Boeing leadership is not a rogue entity acting outside the parameters of the system's intended function. This is exactly what the system is designed to do. They say the invisible hand of market is the only valid regulation, consumers can simply choose not to fly on Boeing they'll say, and those who die are meaningless, irrelevant. We, the consumers in the capitalist system, are not human beings with value outside of our consumption power. As soon as we have died, we have no further value to them. They'll fire an exec and increase metric requirements on mid level managers and increase the pressure on the lowest paid employees. They'll donate some money to a charity (it's tax deductible, although doubtful they pay any taxes). They probably won't even increase any qaqc budgets. In fact, they'll probably cut them even more somehow.

  • @stevengoomba6490
    @stevengoomba6490 Před 3 měsíci +6

    So I work in aviation and funnily enough I’m going on a 3 leg trip all on Boeings right now. It really is all about money and it’s sad. All of these companies have made major profits off of the post-Covid travel boom and all they wanna do it cut corners for an extra dime. They betray the customers’ trust for sure, but also the employees that work for them, which is even more egregious imo.

  • @hellbreakfast1590
    @hellbreakfast1590 Před 3 měsíci +5

    I'm glad to see that audio issues are just a factor with little glasses guys. (I am also a little dark-haired and eyed glasses guy and microphones seem to despise me on a personal level. Never let me touch your mic. It WILL die.)

  • @PastelNaps
    @PastelNaps Před 3 měsíci +1

    At this point I wish they would install seatbelts in the toilets, too, so I only get dunked in piss instead of piss soak+concussion from getting smashed into the ceiling 😭

  • @chloedsmith
    @chloedsmith Před 3 měsíci +18

    The reason there was no training about MCAS afaik was because MCAS was specifically to *avoid* having to retrain pilots to the behaviour of the new planes, to decrease the turnaround times from designing the plane to actually being able to fly them in the wild. They didn't want the little part of retraining pilots to stand in the way of them getting their cash sooner.
    Checked it to refresh my memory, and yeah: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augmentation_System
    "MCAS was intended to mimic the flight behavior of the previous Boeing 737 Next Generation. The company indicated that this change eliminated the need for pilots to have simulator training on the new aircraft."

    • @chloedsmith
      @chloedsmith Před 3 měsíci +3

      @lindmorn5909 I'm not sure if it sounded like it, but I'm not disagreeing with the video at all. Adding info on how this was pre-meditated and directly profit-motivated, is all.

  • @dracorex426
    @dracorex426 Před 3 měsíci +5

    That's an incredibly inaccurate description of the Max issue. The plane didn't stall more than normal, it just handled differently to earlier 737s. The MCAS was programmed to "compensate" for those differences so that the pilots would not have to undergo expensive retraining, which would have made airlines more hesitant to purchase the Max.

  • @AnimatedHooman
    @AnimatedHooman Před 3 měsíci +12

    When are we having next session of pedagogy of oppressed? I had a excellent reading session of chapter 1

  • @hellojams
    @hellojams Před 3 měsíci +4

    Customers are plebs. Why would boeing care if you died? They already pocketed their cash. And customers will keep purchasing plane tickets. The consumer is addicted to consumerism, that is why companies can get away with this gross negligence.

  • @nev3i
    @nev3i Před 3 měsíci +2

    A landscape video, made portrait, made landscape again without zooming in? That video of the flight dropping in the air was miniscule man

  • @ImaginaryMdA
    @ImaginaryMdA Před 3 měsíci +2

    Boeing: Your safety is cutting into our profits!

  • @f.addictionsociety
    @f.addictionsociety Před 3 měsíci

    I'm a pilot student and your explanation of a stall was really good assuming that you just read about it on internet

  • @bibitta
    @bibitta Před 3 měsíci +12

    You know why they call them Boeing. Because they go Boeing Boeing Boeing

  • @agentsteve8263
    @agentsteve8263 Před 3 měsíci +1

    36:04
    Not going to lie, the odd microphone wire thing made what you said kind of badass in a way

  • @Dinahhh
    @Dinahhh Před 3 měsíci +5

    11:38 *Interesting* that it’s somehow a result of “bad airmanship” when the pilots involved were Indian + Indonesian, and Ethiopian… makes me wonder if he’d have said the same thing if the pilots were of a whiter complexion…

    • @Redgofighter1
      @Redgofighter1 Před 3 měsíci

      I don't think that he was referring to race. However I looked into it deeper, it was possible for the pilots to stop MCAS, but in both causes it was unlikely for the pilots to stop it anyway. I think he was looking at it from a position of already knowing what the problem was. The Lion Air pilots didn't know MCAS existed and weren't trained to deactivate it, the Ethiopian pilots deactivated MCAS, but the plane was traveling way to fast for them to regain control.

  • @renaigh
    @renaigh Před 3 měsíci +3

    this is what happens when you forget to turn on Airplane Mode smh

  • @pigeonette
    @pigeonette Před 3 měsíci

    I was a glider pilot and grew up reading Langewiesche articles, was obsessed with the guy

  • @munchiekins
    @munchiekins Před 3 měsíci +1

    the new lighting looks great 😅 i am now worried about flying but am enjoying the video

  • @JustinSmith-mh7mi
    @JustinSmith-mh7mi Před 3 měsíci +5

    The reason for implementing the MCAS system was because of how differently the Max 8 flew as compared to previous models of Boeing planes. The MCAS was software intended to correct for the difference in flight characteristics so Boeing wouldn't have to spend money to retrain pilots on the new aircraft

  • @calci2679
    @calci2679 Před 3 měsíci +6

    I am watching the video right now so I don't know if it's mentioned, but it definitely feels like Langewiesche's piece has racist undertones to it.

    • @aegis3505
      @aegis3505 Před 3 měsíci

      Maybe not directly, but i see Langeweische's peice leading neatly into a "DEI pilot" argument. Yikes.

  • @helohel5915
    @helohel5915 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Its kinda wild how we love to debate planes this way but the debate around cars is kinda dead, when they kill a lot more people

  • @TheK3vin
    @TheK3vin Před 3 měsíci

    "They have shifted from quality to... not quality" loved this lmao

  • @YassinAdam
    @YassinAdam Před 12 dny

    Loved the video, Elliot! Very interesting subject matter

  • @gundamnduke0
    @gundamnduke0 Před 3 měsíci +2

    oh god, listening to you explaining aerodynamics and aviation in general just killed my brain cells

    • @biharcourt
      @biharcourt Před 3 měsíci +1

      Maybe they were already dead?

  • @tjbarke6086
    @tjbarke6086 Před 3 měsíci +2

    In regards to the "capitalism gone awry" and "working as intended" is partly true, but partly incorrect, because the inherent, internal contradictions within capitalist production kind of prevent there from even being a coherent "working as intended" mode of capitalism from existing.

  • @protoretro1290
    @protoretro1290 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Langewiesche's comments would be great if he was talking about Air France 447 (which was an Airbus aircraft btw) that was a legitimate case of the pilot having terrible airmanship. All he had to do was keep the plane flying straight and everyone would have survived.
    Problem is he ain't talking about AF447.

  • @iendorseyou
    @iendorseyou Před 3 měsíci

    I was working in Expedia at the time of the crash of the 737 max. We had so many cancellations for flights. It was a stressful time in my life haha

  • @m4yb3nik73
    @m4yb3nik73 Před 3 měsíci

    My bad for that back injury I’ll dial it back next time

  • @mastergreenfox6004
    @mastergreenfox6004 Před 3 měsíci

    Welp, it is ironic that, due to other personal reasons, as of Jan last year I decided to never fly in an airplane again. Now I just have even greater reasons to not fly ever again.

  • @firefox5926
    @firefox5926 Před 3 měsíci +1

    5:12 i mean part of me wonders like how much of this is related too crappy maintenance by the airlines themselves like yeah if there are new planes out of the factory yes ... but even then were the airlines not doing inspections before delivery ? are there not random plant imperfections? and what is going on with the maintainers ? some of this stuff sure but other things its like why hasn't this checked on a walk around or found during routine inspection ... i mean this yin safty critical thinks like this you not ment to even have single point failures like they because everything's ment to be double and triple checked and double redundant

  • @DavidRYates-tk2tq
    @DavidRYates-tk2tq Před 3 měsíci +1

    How in the world can anyone think systemic explanations are simpler than individualistic ones? Weird.
    Also, I always thought stalling meant the engine(s) literally quit working/spinning, but I guess it's not necessarily related to the engine, it's as you said. Interesting, learned something new about planes today.

    • @tjbarke6086
      @tjbarke6086 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Stalling in a flight context is when you can no longer maintain enough airspeed over your wings to maintain lift.

  • @kmjgsdkmjgsd
    @kmjgsdkmjgsd Před 3 měsíci +3

    Pretty interesting to see u had to keep the news clip in the teeny tiny box, I didnt know u had to worry about YT fvcking u over :(

  • @usako_jpn
    @usako_jpn Před 3 měsíci +4

    Sooo, last month I flew to Japan. Once I got to my hotel, a CZcamsr uploaded about Flight JL123. The thing is that the pilots had to flight side to side in order to avoid crashing. Sadly, four survived (2 died throughout the years). But pilots who tried to simulate the same strategy the two pilots end up failing for longer hours. It’s not always about the pilots. For the Flight123 incident (I believe) it was the end part of the plane that flew off because the same plane had an accident but no one bothered checking up on it.

  • @greyfox4838
    @greyfox4838 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Elliot, your hair looks amazing. Drop your hair care routine and products please please please please please please please please please

  • @Stories885
    @Stories885 Před 3 měsíci

    Tell me why I bust out laughing at those first words. Glad someone covered this. Great video.

  • @madlep
    @madlep Před 3 měsíci

    “When one door closes, another one opens” - Boeing proverb 😆

  • @Samookely
    @Samookely Před 3 měsíci

    this problem has been happening everywhere, its sad its taken so many people this long (major passenger plane crash) to realize it, Im someone who’s worked in logistics for awhile so i guess that’d give you better insight of what goes behind the manufacturing and transportation of goods. Many places not only ignore, but encourage the cutting of corners to increase their daily profits. When cutting corners happens to something that REALLY cant afford that happening to it, well the result is pretty self explanatory. Its all tied to corrupt management and investors pushing for tighter deadlines while also demanding faster production, always has been. At one point keeping up with investor demands in a safe and responsible way is LITERALLY impossible for some facilities, so shitty management will encourage the cutting of corners to make the facilities daily quota.
    It’s also a demographics problem, its harder for these companies to find young workers willing to work in that kind of environment, and their older employees who’ve worked for them for 20+ years are starting to grow old and enter retirement

  • @piko555
    @piko555 Před 3 měsíci

    37:22 that "huueeewh" sounded so animated

  • @jeremiahreilly9739
    @jeremiahreilly9739 Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you for this interesting commentary. Bravo. I am a fan of capitalism, because capitalism has worked and has made enormous profits which has raised hundreds of millions, if not billions, out of poverty. I live in Switzerland, which is a highly market oriented, highly capitalism, HIGHLY regulated economy. One example: ALL health insurance in Switzerland is privately purchased. There is no corporate health insurance benefit. There is no public single payer system. Instead every single person is Switzerland buys a health insurance policy. There is 100% coverage. There are about 63 non-profit insurers competing. It works. It works GREAT. The problem is not free-market or a planned economy. The problem is not capitalism versus socialism or communism. The problem in American as my hero Ralph Nader said, we have capitalism for the poor and socialism for corporations.

  • @KarolHaltenberger
    @KarolHaltenberger Před 3 měsíci +1

    To experience peak 21st century, watch the video starting at 4:35 is on a mobile phone in portrait mode.

  • @Pythios776
    @Pythios776 Před 3 měsíci

    Blueberries do have a meaning in gaming contexts but that's really niche. Means random people on your team, but not in your group or squad. Often times it's used in mmo wargames to refer to people outside of an org.
    Completely irrelevant to the video but I just thought the lyric could still make sense with that meaning in mind.
    Good video as always, maybe the input will be interesting to someone.

  • @drendelous
    @drendelous Před 3 měsíci +1

    6:18 but how did this happen? who could have closed their eyes on the production of such a filmv

  • @rabbitcreative
    @rabbitcreative Před 3 měsíci +1

    Got chem-trails in the thumbnail.

    • @quorpalorp
      @quorpalorp Před 3 měsíci

      Yeah and that chemical is leaking fuel ☠️☠️

  • @lunarfox3352
    @lunarfox3352 Před 3 měsíci

    If its boeing im not going i busted out laughing fr fr.💀💀💀

  • @whoever6458
    @whoever6458 Před 3 měsíci

    Great video! You earned yourself a new subscriber, comrade!
    Something I've noticed about capitalism is that it doesn't go well with real democracy any more than it goes with actual safety. Capitalism is essentially a system where it's the person with the most money rather than the person born into a certain royal family who rules things. So long as we have capitalism as our economic system, even if we were to succeed in creating the perfect democracy, it would eventually be undermined again by the authoritarian nature of capitalism. The best governing system that goes along with capitalism is fascism because the love of money is the root of all evil. Thank you for speaking out again this truly evil economic system we call capitalism!

  • @soulblue65
    @soulblue65 Před 3 měsíci

    Does someone have the reference for the lamp that's making that water effect on the walls/ceilings ? (if it is even a lamp at all)
    Great video, contextualizing events is always a great way to make bigger problems more tangible for people

  • @Dseated
    @Dseated Před 3 měsíci +1

    Cutting costs will only drive profit until someone gets hurt. Now less people want to fly Boeing and airlines don't want Boeing planes.

  • @chukadoo1871
    @chukadoo1871 Před 3 měsíci

    the blooper reel 😅

  • @ajewishchristianmuslim
    @ajewishchristianmuslim Před 3 měsíci

    “beoing whistleblower dead” sounds about Earth

  • @WynnofThule
    @WynnofThule Před měsícem

    According to Boeing, their whistleblowers can also attest to the effectiveness of "DeleteMe"

  • @Willow1w
    @Willow1w Před 3 měsíci +2

    Capitalism is just mafia. The same type of mafia you'd see in film noir.

  • @laurab1673
    @laurab1673 Před 3 měsíci +8

    I also really like John Oliver, but he so very rarely actually identifies the root of the problem; white supremacy and capitalism

  • @labellissimabritneyellis7230

    26:00 dropping like flies works I feel, given the context

  • @antonnurwald5700
    @antonnurwald5700 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Why does nobody mention the Al Jazeera piece "Power and people: On a wing and a prayer" from 2010? It's on youutube, but you have to look for it. This writing has been on the wall for a long time.

  • @erikgiesenloo1871
    @erikgiesenloo1871 Před 3 měsíci

    the description of MCAS does not sound as compelling as the explanation provided by Mentour Pilot - i think this video essay would be strengthen by staying in the area of expertise

  • @capsintheroy7224
    @capsintheroy7224 Před 3 měsíci +3

    At an important note there is some misinformation of the incidents involving Boeing aircraft this year, the majority of those incidents you mentioned weren't caused by the fault of Boeing. Japanese airline 737 average 14 years each and the cause could have been regular wear fatigue and/or maintenance, Boeing doesn't design or manufacture aircraft engines(747-8 engine fire), the 757 is an old aircraft and the wheel come off highly likely because of maintenance, stuck rudder pedals maybes Boeing fault still under investigation, and the wheel falling off the 777 is obviously a maintenance issue, the march 11 787 incident was because of flight attendant in the cockpit, no one would have guessed for that to happen.
    You made a good video, brought some good points however I would disagree with your conclusion, saying capitalism is the primary cause, because of a number of reasons. When you say capitalism I believe you referring to the market economic system. But take a look at the soviet unions aerospace industry. But before I continue I would partially agree that society thriving in competition is a myth, but that statement is also wrong to a certain degree, as competitions effect on society is varies from industry to industry, some industry fair better with less competition some industries don't. However I would argue that capitalism isn't the reason why Boeing got to the position it is in today, the company got complacent. Arguing that it is capitalism's fault is the same as arguing that the ocean is to blame for a leaky boat. While capitalism, like any economic system, has its flaws and challenges, blaming it exclusively overlooks the broader complexities of societal structures and human behavior. It's akin to blaming the tool rather than examining how it's wielded and the hands that wield it.
    You also went on to say that "the system(capitalism - market economy) works as intended", which isn't true economically speaking. If you look and study economics in a market system. The USA is a mixed economy mixing elements of a market and command economy, trying and capture the benefits of both in the short term but causing them to conflict in the long term.
    My biggest problem with your video, and many similar videos, is the way you frame it capitalism as the source to all our problems. Thing like why housing, rent and health care and the labor market is so messed up isn't because of the market economy, but because it is distorted by regulations, welfare, building and zoning laws put in place by powerful people supported by individuals.

  • @Kroopahatsune
    @Kroopahatsune Před 3 měsíci

    i had the fly on a boeing craft to and from a trip, I couldn't really reschedule so i ended up having to go. idc if people say it's paranoia, i had that idea in the back of my mind that at any moment this craft can just combust lol. can't believe this isn't bigger news than it already is. boeing 100% had that guy killed

  • @MathieuTitoLandry
    @MathieuTitoLandry Před 3 měsíci

    Whether on purpose or not, the effect of everything breaking down just like Boeing, chef's kiss!

  • @Lizzy_Lizzard
    @Lizzy_Lizzard Před 3 měsíci +1

    As a plane nerd/avgeek that regularly watches aviation industry content, there's many moments throughout the video that I just wanted to go "Um, actually!" But very respectfully just to correct/clarify some explanations haha. This is a great analysis over all though! I was waiting for someone to make a video connecting these issues more with capitalism (ew)