Before you buy a mobility scooter take a look at this

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  • @mikebutler4800
    @mikebutler4800 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I'm with the 'in favour' group. I have difficulty walking, that's all. The speed, twist-grip, hand-brakes are not a problem. There is a magnetic brake, which is useful but not essential for me. If I could get my foot up on the pedal I could still cycle. These faster scoots are a good bike alternative. I can do the same speed (almost - it struggles to get above 15mph) and I can do all the off-road tracks I used to do, providing there are no kissing gates or other width restrictive obstacles. If a horse can get through then so can I. It's too heavy to lift over, same as the horse. I've got 2 lithium batteries on board so have a range of max 40 miles at 15 mph, which is enough. It is infinitely adjustable. I can zoom along or creep along. I don't object to it being referred to as a leisure vehicle. It certainly is that but it is also a mobility scooter. Mine in the Green Power Fastest. These are also known by other names (Veleco Faster, or Luxxon E4800 to name 2) and are made in Taiwan (I think). It has 4 big wheels and muchos ground clearance so can do curbs but not steps. Hills & rough terrain don't frighten it. It loves trips to the pub even when it has to travel 15 miles to get there. It can also pootle around the supermarket at 4 mph or less. If your only disability is walking then it's one of these you need, not a low power, low range, low speed, tiny-wheeled high-price alternative. It doesn't fold though. Finally, I don't lose any sleep at all worrying about what the DVLA think about it all.

  • @jameskenney6533
    @jameskenney6533 Před 3 měsíci +1

    You are correct. These scooters can reach speeds of around 16 mph. This is because that is the maximum speed they can be used in EU countries. There should be a speed limiter built into the machine, so it complies with the maximum 8 mph speed requirements for use on the UK roads and also a switch on the tiller to further limit the speed to 4 mph so the scooter can legally be used on pavements. If someone switches the speed limiter off, then that's their own lookout because you will definitely be speeding on UK roads, and the police can charge you for that and also, in certain instances, take the scooter as well. I found out about this doing research into purchasing a scooter. I hope this helps.

  • @g7usl
    @g7usl Před rokem +7

    It might have helped had he told us what one it is, eh? I want one.

    • @wsmfilmdocandeventsweston-4230
      @wsmfilmdocandeventsweston-4230 Před rokem +3

      Any of the ones that say they can do 15mph mainly all the moden looking new ones entering the market.
      He can't name it in case he gets in trouble with the company

  • @hazelvaleriejackson1034
    @hazelvaleriejackson1034 Před měsícem

    I bought a Velco one recently...I've named it the Beast . It's beautiful in GB although it has 3 speads the top speed is disabled, if when I was younger I rode a Scooter having a throttle would come naturally for me. But like when you first try to drive a car yes I was kangerooing it, my son had a good laugh at me. I'm 73 but I will keep trying.

  • @charlesterski1461
    @charlesterski1461 Před 2 lety +2

    I would like to add, don’t buy one of these types of scooters thinking you will be using it in your home. They are made for open spaces, and large isles like in stores. And the U. S. law is that if you are able to walk alright, a store owner could ask you to leave it outside. And if you can’t walk, he has to either let you in or do your shopping for you while you wait. I one time went into Aldi’s and the manager said that I could not bring in a motorized vehicle, and I corrected him by telling him this was a mobility scooter and showed him the legal documents explaining where it can be driven, he now greets me with a smile when I come in. I take it in Meijer’s, Walgreens. I rarely go top speed, but it nice to have it just in case you need it. These scooters have a low setting which makes it very simple and easy to safely navigate around people on the sidewalk or in a store.

  • @charlesterski1461
    @charlesterski1461 Před 2 lety +7

    Ok, these scooters go bicycle speed. So If you can’t handle that don’t get one. I on the other hand love mine. I can get to the market, Dr’s office, pharmacy, and it can cover long distances quickly. I like a little speed now and then, and if there are pedestrians, simply slow down. If you can handle a car on the road, then you could very well handle this on the sidewalk. In the U.S. these scooters are legal anywhere a wheelchair is legal and I think that’s great. But if you are unsure of yourself or your reflexes, try before you buy. Cheers!

  • @wobblywheel295
    @wobblywheel295 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Your exactly correct.
    The only way to get it to creep along is start in the high speed setting (3) then switch to (1) if you start in (1) it takes off like a formula 1 racing car, great for shopping in Asda, our one as a top speed (On a private driveway) of 25 mph on the flat, the other problem is the 3 wheel configuration, (Ask any one who had a Reliant Robin, I did) coming on and off a pavement, at an angle, it seriously tilts at low speed 1 to 2 mph, and like the Reliant, if you turn sharply, it comes up on 2 wheels, alright for me I'm used to that happening in a Reliant, but someone, who has never had that experience, will have an heart attack!
    Really not fit for stated purpose, and should only be sold as a 3 wheel electric vehicle, certainly not a Mobility Scooter. Would suit London ULEZ scheme for those delivery guys or going to work, 20mph speed limits in London!

  • @bassmentality
    @bassmentality Před rokem +8

    I love mine. Been riding it since January 2021. They dont take off fast unless you want to go fast, thats why it has a throttle control like a Vespa. Mine has 3 speeds controlled by a switch. I mostly leave it on *1* and its a fast walk or as stop (I have control). I am so sick of people messing with new ideas. Im 77 my version has 4 wheels. I often swop between my wifes electric wheel chair and my new eScooter. Her chair is Far more dangerous up and down curbs. DVLA have no authority over Disability vehicles used off road. Mine has a sign on the back (Disabled Driver) MY Medical Social worker stated if a battery vehicle suites my needs and quality of life and has Safety Certificates (Mine does) for use in public then dont worry. Anyone remember those big noisy 3 wheel petrol vehicles as Mobility vehicles? *Throttle and hand brake* controlled to. No one complained about them, so why complain at these smaller safer units that cost so much less. Yes Retailers dont like them because you can buy your eScooter so much cheaper! Tut-tut!

  • @maxthescooter
    @maxthescooter Před rokem +1

    Interesting video, thank you

  • @billmartyn-smith1364
    @billmartyn-smith1364 Před rokem +1

    Thanks for an honest review

  • @wsmfilmdocandeventsweston-4230

    It's an electric bike.
    I don't have this one mine is much bigger
    When I looked on the manufacturers Web site I found mine being sold as an electric bike then they had the same model being sold as a mobility scooter with a name change. The only reason it gets away with being a mobility scooter is because it has a key to restric it from going over 8mph .
    The key can then be used to unrestrict it once your on private land.
    Mine is not what I would call street legal. Has lights indicators and horn.
    But no hazzard lights and no bleeping when you reverse.
    It was also hard to get the insurance company to insure it but in the end they did once I told them about the restricted key setting

  • @TheOlivermasterson
    @TheOlivermasterson Před 3 lety +6

    I wonder what the DVLA would have to say about this? I have also had customers unhappy with these scooters, My reccomendation would be to spend your money on a proper mobility scooter and future proof yourself as These are a grey a area and the dvla will possibly take some sort of action in the future!
    Great video alan! Hope to see more soon.

  • @wayne90079
    @wayne90079 Před rokem

    Sounds perfect for me what is the make

  • @alanforth2663
    @alanforth2663 Před rokem

    What size is the rear in a tube ? As I need a new one

  • @daizyhiggins205
    @daizyhiggins205 Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you for this I brought the same one and mine would tip there were also exposed wiring. I never felt safe on mine. I managed to get a refund as after doing heavy research of this company they are not whom they say there are.

  • @shopmobgm
    @shopmobgm Před 2 lety +4

    With over 15yrs experience of driving, servicing and repairing these scooters, I can honestly say they are not suitable for the UK market.
    The damp/wet climate plays havoc with the on board electronics.
    The newer versions of this particular scooter have actually had electronic break assist fitted, but it acts more as a retarder and kicks in violently as you start to slow down. (Quite disturbing when you are still doing 15mph).
    The on board control unit (the scooters brain) is bizarrely fitted on the rear panel in between the rear lights and has absolutely no form of protection from water ingress.
    I have personally been on one of these scooters during a rain shower in the UK, it was only a couple of weeks old, but it still ended badly!
    The water coming off the tyres was continuously being splashed underneath the bodywork, as a result the control unit was having an unwelcomed wash.
    This caused the controller to fail, cutting the motor and the scooter came to a sudden stop at the side of the road.
    On the flip side, I have some of these scooters in Tenerife, where the climate is dry and warm. Some of them are approaching 12yrs old and they run without fault.
    If you are in the UK and are looking to buy a new mobility scooter, DO NOT buy one of these, they do not give you the same safety levels as an actual mobility scooter does, most of these don't even have seatbelts fitted.
    A lot of registered mobility equipment sold is crash tested prior to gaining a safety licence.
    I have seen the aftermath of a crash with one of the scooters above, they crush and snap at the front section incredibly easy.
    They certainly wouldn't pass a crash test study.

    • @Sufficient4UsIsAllah
      @Sufficient4UsIsAllah Před 2 lety +4

      Thank you so much for this. I hope people considering this type of scooter could see your post before they make a decision they regret. Thanks again.

    • @shopmobgm
      @shopmobgm Před 2 lety +2

      @@Sufficient4UsIsAllah Very kind of you to reply in such a way.
      I hope the exact same thing as you.
      If I can at least help a few people make the right decision, then it'll be a positive outcome.

    • @jeffrybradwell9589
      @jeffrybradwell9589 Před rokem

      Hi I live in blackpool and I bought a J H 500 but the motor stopped working green power wonts 250 for a new motor but I dont know how to check if it is the motor please how do I check it

    • @francofrenetico
      @francofrenetico Před rokem

      Hi, you sound very knowledgeable, what mob. scooter would you recommend? Thanks

    • @shopmobgm
      @shopmobgm Před rokem +1

      @@francofrenetico it all depends on what you want to do and where you want to go. Pride is the best manufacturer of mobility scooters

  • @plymouthfurious
    @plymouthfurious Před 2 lety +3

    This is definitely more then a Mobility Scooter. Mine goes up to 23km an hour. It depends where u live and the municipality whether u can drive it on the road and/or sidewalk. Where I live I can only drive it on the sidewalk unless there is no sidewalk. If u use common sense. IE. Don't drive 23km on the sidewalk and give priority to pedestrians you'll be fine. Go slow. The speed is adjustable. I can even bring mine into the local Supermarkets.

  • @reginamccallester1026
    @reginamccallester1026 Před 2 lety +1

    Hello do you still have the 3 wheel mobility scooter from daymak?

  • @peter428
    @peter428 Před rokem +1

    It looks great 🎉

  • @mrbritcoinnakamoto2793
    @mrbritcoinnakamoto2793 Před 2 lety +1

    hi can you tell me the make of this trike as i need parts for one an would be nice to know the make asd iv just obtained it with no name on it thanks

  • @user-bf3nt2py9d
    @user-bf3nt2py9d Před rokem +3

    To be fair it's one of the best scooters on the market for a very cheap price, it climbs 60 degree hills with ease in the backstreets of Scotland and it's been running great for three years now and the only problem with it is the battery. It usually doesn't last longer than 6 months which I think is the case with most scooters.. and the other problem is back break ...There is also a button for the top speed of 8 mph that you can change, because it's 8 mph in the UK but 16 mph in the EU.. so If you speed up, the problem is with the driver

  • @kelliebag8826
    @kelliebag8826 Před rokem +3

    Its not the scooter that causes the damage its the person who's in control that cause the damage...
    I love mine...I reduce the speed when approaching and turning corners as mines a three wheeled one as in the video..
    And DVLA its not an issue they tick all the boxes when it comes to there regulations of class 3
    I do agree tho i think insurance must be compulsory,
    This is just my opinion on the scooters

  • @wsmfilmdocandeventsweston-4230

    I've had no problems with dvla but they put it on a Q plate

  • @rph69er
    @rph69er Před 2 lety +3

    Can you please tell me the make and model, I am a capable senior who would love this

  • @LadyJenn1fer
    @LadyJenn1fer Před 2 lety +2

    There was a comment made that “Disabled people are not ‘old farts’” I like the sentiment but not all disabled people are old farts is better and this scooter makes that clear.
    If you are infirm, and really need a “Buggy” to get around then this is not for you. You are better with an 8mph maximum buggy.
    This Scooter is more like a trike and suffers from the same stability issues that a small 3 wheel buggy does only it’s bigger. Again if you are infirm or have balance issues yourself a three wheeled vehicle is not for you!!
    This Ztech ZT-15-E Trilux is a very good scooter for those who are more active, have good balance and motor skills - whether they be disabled or not!!
    I have one of these, an early “B” model and it is by far my favourite ever, though I would prefer it as a four wheel version. Up to 37 miles on a full charge it pretty much saves its cost in a year in savings on petrol - two years if you are a fair weather rider...
    I agree that the weather protection for the electrical system should be better designed but a handy “son (in law)” and a couple of £5 electrical junction boxes will help with that.
    I like it and my only problem is whether to service/maintain/repair it this year or buy a more modern one.

  • @rustybennineoneonemajesty

    What is the name of the brand scooter I want a fast one

  • @Sufficient4UsIsAllah
    @Sufficient4UsIsAllah Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the warning. Much appreciated.

  • @peterbaker7963
    @peterbaker7963 Před rokem

    Would have been good to advice which model it was don't you think?

    • @peacockandfig
      @peacockandfig Před rokem

      It's not the model that's the point, there are a whooooole bunch of mobility scooters out there that are more like a Vespa, so many brands.

  • @Trisha-2023
    @Trisha-2023 Před rokem

    I definitely dont want an "ordinary" mobility scooter (after seeing my neighbour tip over on his going down a steep hill) and love the look of these bad boys, probably because of my love of motorcycles which I used to ride. I can walk, but get breathless very quickly so Im practically housebound since giving up my car due to insurance companies almost doubling my insurance (even though I had never made a claim or been at fault in any accident). Then there's petrol, road tax, MOT etc, I just couldnt afford to keep my car. Reading through the comments here though would put me off buying one of these if they are going to change whats legal and whats not in the future, I could end up having to get rid of it anyway because I dont break the law.

  • @scmather333
    @scmather333 Před rokem

    Can these fit through house front doors as i have an invacare comet pro and can get it out and in fairly easy are these bigger than a comet pro

    • @lawrencesmith9746
      @lawrencesmith9746 Před rokem

      These are much bigger than the 'standard' mobility scooter and I have to keep mine in the garage. I think the model Alan has is the ZT15. The same as mine. One of few that has a basket as well as the lockable compartment under the seat (I hang bags from the basket. I have my mother's medium sized mobility scooter and the ZT15 is so much bigger (71cm wide vs 65cm wide Comet). They are heavy to push and accelerate quickly. I do not take it in supermarkets or even a shopping mall. I do take it to the high street but always leave it outside a shop where as I drive my mother's scooter inside supermarkets (I can put groceries in the front basket). The supplier I used offers test drives. I love mine. It does get me to the supermarket quickly. I would advise to keep both scooters if you get one.

  • @martingolding4951
    @martingolding4951 Před 9 měsíci

    I'd love that scooter, but unfortunately, u can't get them on the scheme. eden mobility has only the roadmaster Plus, I am getting a new one in white come November 2023

  • @dannymcdonald1591
    @dannymcdonald1591 Před 2 lety +1

    Actually the dvla would not say anything because u can't pedal so they won't say nothing

  • @ravichandrans9330
    @ravichandrans9330 Před rokem

    Please introduce handicapped three wheel battery scooter in tamilnadu show room all district

  • @donmahu9952
    @donmahu9952 Před 2 lety +1

    Where are you located
    Are you in new Zealand
    How much was this scooter

  • @iansenior9759
    @iansenior9759 Před 8 měsíci

    I had a test drive and experienced no problems. As a road legal scooter crawling along at 4mph is dangerous. A higher speed capability for road use would be a sensible direction to improve road safety. They have 3 speed settings 4mph, 8mph, 16mph Europe Legal.
    Riding the trike common sense tells you not to do a tight turn at a high speed. The scooter is not dangerous. It is the driver who is dangerous. Some folk are incapable of using 4mph pavement scooters as they collide with pedestrians.
    This scooter is a good buy and is available with a 1000 watt motor for tackling slopes without burning the motor out. Baby scooters cant cope with hills.

  • @live441
    @live441 Před 2 lety +1

    I have it.
    The rear brake is bad: it brakes hardly at all.
    Os it a factory defect or has it been badly designed for all models?

    • @user-bf3nt2py9d
      @user-bf3nt2py9d Před rokem

      Yes mine also

    • @live441
      @live441 Před rokem

      @@user-bf3nt2py9d
      Os it a factory defect or has it been badly designed for all models?

  • @kennethmaney914
    @kennethmaney914 Před 2 měsíci

    The government say one thing, But a Judge in Norfolk hit this on the head by saying after the police where pulling disabled people for these bikes..That he has a car that will do 160 mph, but he sticks to the speed limits, And just because these bikes can do 18 mph doesn't mean that most people will ride at this speed. Case not found and the police where ordered to immediately stop this nonsense. Like a car you can only be pulled if your exceeding the 8mph limit.. end of.

  • @tommymclean3146
    @tommymclean3146 Před 9 měsíci

    i afree and disagree with your statement as yes there too fast and jerky for someone with back problems but for me with a knee problem there fine but you need to slow down when turning corners and yes 8 mph is fast enough thanks for the advice i believe the four wheel ones are best for stability and it should be only 12 mph as moby scooters go up by 4s not 6s

  • @user-kc5bv4de3n
    @user-kc5bv4de3n Před 3 lety

    من فين ده يا جماعه عايز واحد منه ده

  • @theresevila9522
    @theresevila9522 Před 3 lety

    je ne comprends pas l'anglais : donc fiche technique et prix en francais svp

  • @jerrythomas956
    @jerrythomas956 Před 2 lety

    I wood like to now the price for this mobility vehicle I can use one

  • @NaturalTiger
    @NaturalTiger Před 3 lety +2

    I'm sorry, I'm having difficulty hearing what you are saying do to the poor sound quality. Did you say which scooter this is? And is this in the UK, the US or where?

    • @NaturalTiger
      @NaturalTiger Před 3 lety

      Due*

    • @carolgarner7130
      @carolgarner7130 Před 3 lety +1

      @@NaturalTiger This is in the UK and no scooter name is mentioned as we do not stock them.

    • @NaturalTiger
      @NaturalTiger Před 3 lety +1

      @@carolgarner7130 It's just that it would be very helpful in my attempts to assess the best scooter that I can find to meet my needs to know what scooter was found to not be of good quality. That way I can cross it off the list of scooters I'm evaluating.
      And I'm sure that anyone else that actually is watching videos of scooters to make similar decisions would also benefit from your assessment.
      With all due respect, it's kind of pointless to even post a video review of a product when you don't tell people what it is. What information do they gather from your review?
      "Here is product X (but I'm not going to tell you what it is) but it's of poor quality."
      See the point I'm making?

    • @Sufficient4UsIsAllah
      @Sufficient4UsIsAllah Před 2 lety

      @@NaturalTiger The video isn’t a review of that particular scooter so I understand why he didn’t mention the make and model. From what I remember, he’s saying that we need to be wary of these types of scooters, whatever their make or model. For example the legal speed in the U.K. for a vehicle to be classed as a mobility scooter is 8mph, but these fall outside that bracket. For that reason it may not be allowed on pavements. It also has brakes and gears like a moped. That would make it difficult to use for the elderly. The other thing was that these can do 16mph - the same as an electric bike and electric bikes are classed as mopeds. But he doesn’t know what this is classed as. If it’s classed as a leisure vehicle then you can’t use it in public. These are advertised as mobility scooters being exempt from vat. But he’s not so sure about that. Lastly the electronics are complicated and a couple of people have said they don’t feel safe on them. I’d read the other comments. There’s a very helpful one by Gav J Braithwate which put me off buying one. In a nutshell if you would still like to get this type of scooter then check with DVLA as to their legal status in the U.K. But as the gentleman I mentioned said they are not suitable for the wet U.K. climate, I would stick with the regular scooters and avoid yourself major headache in the long run. I was hoping to get the velobike which is a Vespa style mobility scooter’. But upon checking one star Amazon reviews I found it rusts easily. Again that’s probably not an issue in sunnier climates. But for us in the U.K. it’s a deal breaker.

  • @dannymcdonald1591
    @dannymcdonald1591 Před rokem

    And what If u can't use ur legs u can't pedal

  • @IraQNid
    @IraQNid Před rokem

    Why did you buy it if you weren't sure it was something you can sell to clients in good conscience? Did you run it past any legal counsel to clear up the gray areas?

    • @peacockandfig
      @peacockandfig Před rokem

      He didn't say they sell that model, but that customers have bought models similar to that and have come to him to get a "proper" mobility scooter. He said they can make adaptations that are similar to the scooter he's pointing out, like a turn throttle instead of a pull grip style if your hands are arthritic or whatever.

  • @shelterme1
    @shelterme1 Před 2 lety +1

    mine actually says on the thermometer 60 km so I don’t know if that answers your question that’s how high it can go, but I usually don’t go that fast with it I’m still learning how to drive it I usually go 20 or 30

  • @malikaerry8132
    @malikaerry8132 Před 2 lety

    Aidez moi à avoir un fauteuil roulant électrique et merci beaucoup

  • @ourv9603
    @ourv9603 Před 5 měsíci

    NEVER buy or ride a 3 wheel scooter. Find someone
    on one and ask them to show you their bruises.
    !

  • @paulcheesman2082
    @paulcheesman2082 Před 2 lety +2

    . You don't inform us of the manufacturer which would be really helpful

    • @Meezermagic
      @Meezermagic Před 2 lety

      I think it is one of Green Power's range of scooters. They sell them on eBay and Amazon

    • @itsallaboutjesus8935
      @itsallaboutjesus8935 Před 2 lety

      My thoughts exactly. And not provided in description either??

  • @user-sc1hf6jy2b
    @user-sc1hf6jy2b Před rokem

    Miss informed comments buy a dealer not a disabled user

  • @brunningwolf
    @brunningwolf Před rokem

    Don’t buy it if you can’t handle it

  • @thecaravanmusicshow
    @thecaravanmusicshow Před 2 lety

    I have a similar one and trust me they are lethal I’m never riding one again , don’t buy please 🙏

  • @Jayen4
    @Jayen4 Před rokem

    To say that you're not saying anything , you ARE saying an awful lot !! I would think that the manufacturers know what they are building / offering ! ..... What precisely IS this scooter ?? ..... I might have to investigate what these are , as I'm currently looking for a good scooter....

  • @dannymcdonald1591
    @dannymcdonald1591 Před 2 lety

    If a disabled person bought this they can't pedal so no dvla intervention

  • @deniseshephard3347
    @deniseshephard3347 Před 2 lety

    In my opinion this vehicle isnt safe at all someone who is disabled or with limited mobility dosent want to go at 16mph on a 3 wheel vehicle and have a very bad accident I am disabled and i own a strider st6 its very safe and does everything and more
    My point is whoever designed this vehicle hadnt thought about the consequences and the issues and functionality if the manufacturer wanted to create a vehicle like this that appealed to the older generation who were into motorcycles and had a license and insurance and capable or handling such a vehicle then it would be okay

  • @paulembleton3087
    @paulembleton3087 Před 2 lety

    I would have one 8 miles a hour I can go faster in my wheelchair

  • @MySkyranger
    @MySkyranger Před rokem +2

    Basically he has nothing to say but his personal prejudices. Looks a good buy to me. The old fashioned rubbish behind you will never get my purchase.

    • @Trisha-2023
      @Trisha-2023 Před rokem

      Agree, Ive been looking into getting a mobility scooter myself and the typical scooters do nothing for me visually. I love the look of this and Im not over the hill yet so something more modern like this would suit me fine.

  • @welshcake2859
    @welshcake2859 Před 3 lety +1

    This site is not very helpful because 1, he is too far from the mike, 2, he gets paid to just stand in one spot to describe the scooters, 3, I am looking to buy a Mobility Scooter ( price is no option ) this would be the last place I would buy from, I am an easy -funny -happy -honest person so I am giving my honest remarks

    • @Julia-qf8eh
      @Julia-qf8eh Před 2 lety

      The man is saying that this fast 'mobility scooter' is, in his opinion, dangerous 7day a disabled person. I agree after buying one and not being able to contact seller with a parking brake problem! They are far too fast and unsafe when you have medical conditions.

    • @Sufficient4UsIsAllah
      @Sufficient4UsIsAllah Před 2 lety +1

      You didn’t understand the purpose of the video because I found it really helpful. He isn’t being paid to stand in front of the camera to describe the scooters. He took the time to warn us of problems we might encounter with these types of scooters for free! I’m grateful to him for that. You should try that too.

  • @dannymcdonald1591
    @dannymcdonald1591 Před 2 lety

    These are not deadly disabled people r not old farts