A visit to Lahore's 'Heera Mandi': How Accurate Is Sanjay Leela Bhansali's Series? - BBC URDU
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- بالی وڈ کے مشہور ہدایتکار سنجے لیلا بھنسالی کی ویب سیریز ’ہیرا منڈی- دی ڈائمنڈ بازار‘ ویب سٹریمنگ پلیٹ فارم نیٹ فلکس پر ریلیز ہونے کے بعد سے ٹرینڈ کر رہی ہے۔ اس سیریز پر سوشل میڈیا پر اس بارے میں بہت بات ہو رہی ہے کہ لاہور کا شاہی محلہ یا بازار حسن کہلائے جانے والے علاقے کی تصویر کشی سیریز میں کیسے کی گئی ہے اور یہ حقیقت سے کتنا قریب تر ہے۔ بی بی سی کی شمائلہ جعفری کو رہائشی ابرار حسین ہیرا منڈی کے علاقے میں لے کر گئے اور یہ دکھانے کی کوشش کی کہ یہ علاقہ اب کیسا دکھتا ہے؟
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You have used a very respectful language, that's awesome
True
Urdu bro
Bhansali not only misrepresented the culture and language of Punjabi city Lahore but also stole music and scene sequences from Pakistani punjabi movie. The Hit song "Masoon dil hai mera" is stolen from "Zindigi tamasha bani". This is the original song and its on youtube
/watch?v=5HUtqXv9cvg
He just used the name and never intended to make a documentry based in facts.Its called fictional creativity.Directors need to make things entertaining and glamorous.🤔🤔
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Atleast he could have given credit to the original place at the very least
Psychological attacked towards half boil eggs.
Love from Mumbai India, thanx for given precious knowledge about Hira Mandi , ek baar Pakistan Anna hai ghumane
Wellcome to pakistan ..hum ap ko khush amded kahy gain
Bhansali not only misrepresented the culture and language of Punjabi city Lahore but also stole music and scene sequences from Pakistani punjabi movie. The Hit song "Masoon dil hai mera" is stolen from "Zindigi tamasha bani". This is the original song and its on youtube
/watch?v=5HUtqXv9cvg
You are always welcome.
Welcome to Pakistan , love from canada
He is absolutely right about everything as a Lahori I can assure that but now lahore has changed alot bcoz ppl from all over Pakistan came to lahore for jobs that's why only real Lahori knows the history of it
Matlab phelay sub kuch tha ab phelay say ziada gahnd hy
Abrar Sahib has presented true picture in a decent manner .Every one should be proud of this gentleman of Lahore.
ہیرہ منڈی شاہی محلے سے ٹک ٹاک انسٹا گرام سنیپ چیٹ فیس بک یو ٹیوب پر شفٹ ہو گئی ہے
Kia bat ki h ap ne.... Zabardast... Such kaha
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200 percent right
Ye apny bhot achi bat kee
Bilkul Sahi BAAT hai
Ap ne bohat achi language use ki respectable words use kiay hain meri is Bazar k bank main kafi time posting Rahi he yaha k log boht achy hain aurat ki boht respect karty hain Meri tou boht karty thy
Koi shak ni humary lahore k log bohat respect karty hain ..balky hamara poora pakistan he pyar karny waly hain
No one ruins the history, the way SLB does!
You want history read books..movies are for entertainment..you may watch documentaries
If you want to know history read the history books 📚
Understand the difference between Documentary and drama but then again "intellectual" sound kaise karenge?
Problem of you people is - can’t digest criticism. How many of you have read books about Heeramandi? None, right? But you all have watched the series. If it was not for this video, you would have always thought how grand Heeramandi was! Not everyone, who watches movies, does validate the fact, but always remembers the way it was shown in the movie. I am not against series, I am against not-showing-the-fact. Don’t support blindly because it’s SLB series.
@@someshwari_debi Go and watch Alauddin Khilji dance!
I had the chance to visit Heera Mandi in 1993, and at that time, there were still "kothas" and "tawaifs" present. However, things have changed since then, and now everything has spread throughout Lahore. Sanjay Leela Bhansali accurately depicted the true essence of Heera Mandi, a place where people once came to learn "tameez" (etiquette) and "art."
Really
Sanjay Leela may belong to this Mandi that's y he dipicted the reality which he seen
@@foziasharifmalik6657 He doesn't woh India ke kothe main paida hua tha yahan nahi😂
Tameez? Art? Auraton ko nachwana Art hai?💀🤌🏼 Aap Apni behen ko Tawaif banne do ge?
Tehzeeeb wo b tawaif SE.. really
Heeramandi shows much accurate representation of lucknow tawaifs, i think.
Yes because language used in Lahore is generally Punjabi but the one in the Netflix series is more inclined towards old urdu
Yes
@@DarkStoriesKarachi More like the UP dialect.
@@harigovindk1234 show is made for indian audience. if they use proper urdu then people dont understand it and that is why as usual mixed language is used.
I hope these old houses could be restored to their former glory because they in themselves are a very big piece of history
Yes these are very beautiful houses. A beautiful piece of art
That concept was just based on that heeramandi...the whole story is fictional plus non fictional! They never said its a documentary series ! Anyways must watch that ! Amazing series ❤❤
Thanks for the texting
This is true. Beautifully explained 👍🏻
❤❤❤❤❤ thank you for such informative video and using respectful language without biases.
Chalo ek bat to achi hui, sanjay leela heeramandi has brought lahori heeramandi in spot light in modern days. Its first time i came to know about this place.
We should not promote these type of series etc.
@@saduniya9175 we should stop acting like moral police. That was history, you cant erase it. Todays heeramandi is insta youtube Facebook tik tok. First stop those things, then think about series
@@Cuteputcute It was not like which are presenting today like fascinating stories.. know the history but in authentic ways..
Achi baat kia...ye koi Institution yaa Koi Medical Centre nahi tha...Nawabo r tawaifo ki luxury Thi bs r kia
Its real story of pakistan not india they have stolen bro
Bohot acha documentary tha.
Dear Sir, Thanks for showing real Hiramandi. I request to kindly make another video showing Sir Ganga Ram Haveli and related details.
I am happy that you gave them respect.
Thank you for showing the real Heera Mandi. However we all must understand that cinema is a visual medium. Mr. Bhansali is known for making beautiful frames. Every film need not be realistic. It’s his ‘take’. Thanks for the information by the way.
It doesn't have to be accurate. It's just a beautiful story
Thank you for showing us the present area of what was Heeramandi. Yes, Shri Sanjay Leela Bhansali has glamorized it, but we need to understand that art is free and imagination has no boundaries. Fiction is bound to be a part of history in the making of drama/ film.
Let us not forget that most of us enjoyed what we watched. At least Sanjayji showed us a glimpse of the yester years with a kaleidoscope.
Mujhe ek baar vilkul samaj ni ati. They hated to be associated with the courtesan women, however tehy wanted their children to "learn manners" from them...
only Mughals, courtesans not common citizens.
before islamic invasions they were not prostitute but they were masters in art forms like music, dancing etc things. and they used to perform at temples and at royal events. it was islamic invaders who forced them to go into prostitution by looting temples destroying their livelihood and lot of other things. so both got mixed at that time. freedom of women under islamic invasion has been highly impacted. whole indian subcontinent was very different before it and women have enjoyed lot of freedom which is visible when one read old hindu scriptures and visit ancient temples. moreover SLB told it is not fully fact based story but things has been taken from facts to make series. it is visually good series but story line is very weak. and BBC here is expert in doing subtle propaganda which they are doing here.
LISTEN HIS VOICE AT 4:40
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@@Abhi081220060 No, Devadasis had illegitimate children since ancient times. That wouldn't be possible unless they were having affairs with Hindu men. Since these children wouldn't inherit anything from their fathers, the only incentive for a Devadasi to agree to such an affair would be prostitution.
I believe SLB didn't mention this anywhere that he is making a 'history documentary' so people should get over the creator freedom and factual inaccuracies please!!
Granted but there is a limit to ridiculous thoughts.
We all agree on this, but he has glorified prostitution
@@Pookie.cookie. I believe glorification is a two way process. They, as creators put something on the pedestal and we, as audience admire, approve and adopt it and that is Glorification but again I agree with your pov.
You're making a film depicting an actual place. Your Lahore obsession is unhealthy. get over it.
SLB has shown old era that is not 100% accurate but 90% is. I am happy he made this movie to remind us the struggle of Tawaifs!
This was so informative, I learnt so much. Thank you
But Acha samjhaya sir ne thanks 4m india 🇮🇳
Correction for Video:
Saaz India nahin jaate the, yeh India hi tha..Yeh India hi mein bante the aur rest of the India mein distribute hote the...:)
Thank you
کاش سنجے لیلا بھنسالی ایک چکر لاہور کا لگا لیتے اور حقیقی مناظر لے جاتے
Maine tu set dekh kar hi sooch liya kay nahi dekhna. I have been to heera mandi. Itnay big rooms nahi hotay. Original dekhatay masa ata
Ose SB PTA ha BS ye story B'nai ha paise kmane ke liye ..
Wrna India me is se bre bre bzare husan ha .. Abhi kuch waqt ke bd Pakistani army aur politics par bhi movie AA rhe ho Gi..
@@muneebsiddique5179Heera mandi was the story of Undivided india When hind wasn't broken into parts. Why would india make movie on Pakistani poltics or so any foreign country poltics. The fact that in heera mandi the inqilab raised was for the Hind which wasn't broken. Today's Hind has been broken into Multiple parts
@@AzadHind572 may be that's right but India already made too much movies on Pakistan politics Pakistan culture and many other topics of Pakistan.. You can check ..
My grand grand nani told me about the story of partition. She was so old and she saw everyone's struggle behind azadi. She told me about heeramandi and tawaif. She told me they are just an artist nothing else, they used to teach tehzib to nawab's sons take unme aur angrezo me frq rahe. Jb angrez ae tw unhn ne inhe whore bana diya..
Outsiders from villages are now commenting on Lahore's indigenous culture!
Indians are more obsessed about Lahore
Give India Lahore maybe they will give Pakistan Srinagar
@@gwadar_cpec2110
At least, they would have preserved Lahore's indigenous culture better than Pakistan!
@@saifabbas5197 Lahore is too polluted and these hundreds of years old buildings are hazardous to pedestrians
Northeast and northwest of Islamabad is where real natural beauty of Pakistan is that is why I say give India Lahore for Srinagar
@@gwadar_cpec2110 tenu amb da nai pata. eh adla badla nai hunda, lahore sif lahore nai hai, history, culture, identity hai. mehrbani kar k tusi apni salah aap de kol rakho.
@@gwadar_cpec2110 why sringar? We have nothing to do with Kussmiris who are now barking at Punjabis. They have their independent government, they can take a political action themselves. May be give Muzaffarabad and get srinagar.
Heeramandi portrayed in the season is before independence....and that was totally different what you supposed in the current senario or after partition....
It is also true that people were sent thier to learn etiquettes, Art and poetry or dance....heera mandi portray in sanje Lila's season was a little lavish but culture portrayed in the season was almost same....people are sent there to learn language as well....
Slowly there was a downfall of that culture as in Islam there is no place for these kind of activities openly......having said that overall season was good and worth seeing if u watch it only for drama and for entaintainment purpose not watch it as documentary or historical event....
Its just fictional script, in the name of HeeraMandi
Exactly! just like Ertugrul.
@@saifabbas5197no, not ertugrul
@@Earlybirdlife123
Why not ertugrul? Ertugrul is 90% fiction.
exactly Ertugrul is totally fictional mgr logon ke dil me dard hojata ha sch smjhty hain 😂😂
At least Heeramandi is more realistic than Ertugrul.
@@nycto16 yehi hota hai jub Aadhey sei zyada movie reels sei dekho 😏 heerammandi ke first episode mein hi ye statement diya hai ki the movie is fictional with real similarity . Rahe baat ertugrul ki tou ertugrul dekhne wale audience axhe sei janti hai ki ertugrul kitna real based hai aur Kitna fictional
Best documentary...❤❤❤
👍👍👍👍 God bless all
Good article
پاکستانی سیریز مسٹر اینڈ مسز شمیم ہیرا منڈی سیریز سے بہتر ہے
Just wow
Nothing more than fiction
Bitter Truth👍
Great report
Agree
After the dictator Zia-ul-Haq's regime, all the splendours of this country, the colours, the culture, everything vanished. He radicalised the whole nation, the testimony of which is in this comment section.
Totally I agree on that
Sajay Leela Bhansali has shown it like grand palace. Reality is those women suffered in the small cottages
Heeramandi is a work of fiction, it's clearly said when lettering starts. Then why so much fuss in trying to compare with reality, wasting your and my time.
It’s a beautiful historical + fictional film
You are quite right
Heeramandi is very beautifully directed and presented. The place and buildings are also similar as pictured in film. It just the idea SLB sahab took from this place. He is not changing any history he gave the good sights of this place, people and specially the rebellious change to get freedom from west.
Love from India 🇮🇳🇵🇰❤
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😮😮😮😮😊ok
Actresses are the new Heera Mandis, Actors are the new Heera Mans ! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe
and atill u wantch them.
True Pakistani u r😂😂😂
@@INDIANATHEIST526 actually I DON'T. The contend from India is awful. Nothing original.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Madam noor jahan bhi yahi ki mashoor tabayf thi
Haqeeqat se bhttt door....
Dorector showed over 100 years ago's scenes, i am sute he presented well as per that era story, not the current or last 50 yrs, world has changed alot since few decades.
A good effort of director of heera mundi
There’s no point of criticising sanjay leela bansali he potrayed the real culture of real mandi jo yai batai kar raha hai he has portrayed each and every thing in his series hum Pakistaniyon ko sirf criticism ata hai
Have you seen old photos of real tawaifs who used to live there? Even Indians are criticizing bansali for it it’s far from reality
@@roojfatyma8951who told you we indians are criticising him ??? May be this palace have lost it’s charm now bt it used to be full of life back then n sanjay leela bansali made it clear he loves big sets so he did it that way
@@priyasinghari did you even read my reply? He likes big sets that’s why he made it like that otherwise reality is far from those sets and I’ve seen so many reviews on that. That series is a masterpiece without any doubt but it’s far from reality.
Bro it’s fictional series not documentary. Heeramandi is just an idea. Presented good sights of Heeramandi whats the issue. Ik baar dekh lijiye ❤
Great 👍 I wish There never had happened all these partitions wish all would be 1 ❤👏🇹🇷
Aj pta chala real heeramandi ki kahani❤❤❤❤
Sanjy Leela bhansali ne yeh kaha hai ke ye historic web series nhn. Just name heera mandi hai....
History to nh bta rahy bhansali
I love his depiction of the reality, and the respectful way in which he spoke ( unke lafzo mein ek behtereen tehzeeb hai) about the ladies. I want to visit Pakistan and taste those marvellous kebabs. Much love from India.
It was before partition
Wow ik hi dialogue qafi tha
Lahore ki raniyaan hain
This means that Pakeeza, a 1970s movie (first 30 minutes) when Nawab Shahabuddin (Ashok Kumar) comes looking for his daughter , his love child with a courtesan (Meena Kumari) had although a studio set, a more accurate depiction of the tight streets, small homes with beautifully decorated interiors for Nawabs' entertainment and indulgences , as this resident describes, compared to Sanjay Leela Bansali's over the top portrayal in Heeramandi.
سیّد نور بھی فلم بنائیں گے ( سبزی منڈی )
Nahi naam hoga saima sandi
اللّٰہ تعالیٰ ہی ہدایت دے۔
جس قوم کے "شرفاء اور امراء" اس بازار سے تمیز اور تہذیب سیکھا کرتے تھے اس قوم اور معاشرے کو وہیں ہونا چاہئے جہاں ہمارا معاشرہ اس وقت کھڑا ہے۔
Lolzzz true
True
Wo unse seekhtay they ajj kall log tiktok se seekh lete baat tu aik hi hai
Right 👍👍👍👍👍👍
طوائفوں کے بارے میں شورش کاشمیری صاحب نے کتاب لکھی ہے جس کا نام ہے "اس بازار میں" اگر سب لوگ وہ پڑھ لے تو پتہ چل جاتا ہے کہ عورت طوائف کیوں بنتی ہے۔ کس وجہ سے وہ اپنا جسم بھیجنے پر مجبور ہوجاتی ہے۔
It will not be because the series is not a biopic its a story told from SLBs lence
*lens
Enjoy kren wo haqeqat hai ya nahi chor dayn
Sanjey Leela Bansali's movies are always having huge set, far away from reality. Fake style and undigestive script. Dialogues are like one has to think over years to write, not natural dialogue. There is artificiality in his work. In the movie it seems that they are Rani or MahaRanis, not the prostitutes. Huge sets, expensive dresses and jewellery. Unbearable 🫤
You are bit confused.....heeramandi at that time was not for prostitution.....people come there to learn etiquettes, language Art in the form of dance, and poetry......later it was slowly takenover by prostitution.....as in Islam there these kind of activities were discouraged so their talent business was slowly converted into prostitution for the sake of earning later....
They were really rich in that era of nawabs and english people.....as they spent lot of money on them
Beautiful language use for ladies ❤️❤️❤️
اسلام عليكم/ آپ کچھ بھی کر لیں سجےلیلا آپ پاکیزہ جیسی فلم نہیں بنا سکتے ہیں
Heeramandi ki Puri cast m se kitne logo n real m aakr is jagah kaa visit kiya tha ..???jo muhh utha kr film bnadii ..,,... atleast they should give disclaimer that its fictional.......from .. Mumbai...
1939 mei kiya app ne visit kiya tha iss jaga named shahi mohala ( heera mandi)
Good
It's actually Hindu culture n not forbidden in their religion.... don't know why everyone imposing it on Muslims....
contd.
even your prophet pubh made a rule that 20% of the "maal e ghanimat" which consisted of captured women also called right hand possession,were given to the prophet as tax 😂😂😂
Filmo me decoration ke sath dikhya jata hai . Wo unka business ka part hai. Heeramandi me jo hota hogha usme kuch masala dalkar picture ye log banate hai.
Kon Kon India sai dikhaa rahaa
Hai........
Now food street there is good and people go there for food in different restaurants
Sanjayleela bhannsali acha kia h Iss history ko yadgar to banaya acha pahlo b heeramandi ka dekhaya Yahan k log to aj tK heeramandi Wohi chkla smjh kr historical places ko khatam krty ja rhy hen I think should Panjab proud on this historical place and Kuch kry Iss ko mahfoz krny k lye ta k history zinda rhy
Movies wagera mein ideal situation dikhaie jati ha
❤❤❤nice ❤ nice ❤ very nice ❤❤❤
What iis shocking for me is that Bhansali is showing a Jeep at that time in history of the world
What is there to be shocking ?
Khof ara he dekh k
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India itself is world's biggest hira mandi
Bhansali ko sirf islam or Pakistan ki jagahain or personality pr jhuti movies banani hoti hain jab k is k mulk mai sub se bari misal mangashkar mandir ki hai jo pehle dasiyan hoti thin or phir haalaat kharab hone k saath woh mandir b
rothel or naach gane ki jaga bn gaya , lata bai bhi wheen se belong krti hai.
Hahaha i don't know when i read this laughed so hard lmao
Yes filled with diamonds.
Cuz India is a land of diamond. Ofcourse the soil which gave birth kohinoor. So why not
Sanjey leela,s heera mandi is actualy..Heera mandi of Mukesh ambani heera mandi..too much Lavish
Yes poor Pakistan can't have anything like that.
@@rajavishnuvardhana6830it's not about India and Pakistan it's about reality which is not shown in Sanjay Leela bhansali's heera mandi
Yes, you are right. Actual 'Heeramandi' looks like 'Kheeramandi'.There's nothing like Sanjay Bhansali's magnus opus.
It is artist's freedom. He knows real Heeramandi is not like that but still he choose such lavish sets. It is his signature on the art..
@@spritualist6519Kheeramandi.😂😂
Zia ul haq ny buht khtrnak kam krdia heeramandi ek corner sy khtm krwa ky pury pakistan mn phela di or ab ghr ghr mn puhncha di in tiktokers or family vloggers ki shkal mn afsos. Or rapes emerged after demolishing heeramandi.
This is our real culture ❤❤❤
This? Romanticized prostitution?
It would have been nice to see and hear from a “Tawaif” who is still keeping this dying form of art alive. This is the actual price that Subcontinent paid due to the colonisation of this land rich with culture, art and history.
@@user.xrxs.3p8nubroBandar kya jaane adarak ka swaad 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tawaif in actual, was not a jisam farosh. She was considered the epitome of art and beauty. Performing art as well as language n literature was their landmarks. After colonization gora made them do this filthy business to keep the locals busy and let them do their business plus they were used by goras as they didn't have enough choice to meet their physical needs. 2nd thing is heera Mandi got vanished after Zia's reign as he banned prostitution so a business which was limited to heera Mandi spread all over the Lahore as those prostitute's moved around different areas of lahore.
Wait? Aapki mama aur behen bhi shayad kotha main thien
@@pet271dancing and showing their beauty to a na mehram is also not a good thing.
Are you mad or something?? Jisam faroshi kab se art bn gaya??? Ya tawaif kbse epitome of art and culture banbe lagi???
It was a Royal or Elite Area even during Raja Ranjit Singh. Only Nawabs, Landlords could afford to enjoy dances of "Fankaars" aka Artists. Shahi Darbar (Royal Palace) had bestowed them with monthly or annual stipend. This Shahi Muhalla (The Elite Society) ruined during Abdali's attack but reinstated. Minister of Lahore Darbar, Heera Singh founded a trade center here which became Heera Mandi after his name. When British occupied this city, Tawaif or Artists became Prostitutes in real sense. The Shahi Muhalla aka the Royal Residential Area became Red Light Area officially. During Zia Era, prostitutes migrated to different locations/ housing societies within or outside of Lahore.
Acha hoa band ho ghi . Esi jaga nhi honi chye. ALLAH pak hum sab ko hadiyat de ameen 🙏
Ab Shahrah e Dastoor Islamabad shift ho Gaye hein saray
India tak jaate the, bhaijan vo India hi tha
Allah Allah
Movie mein tawaif ko shahzadi bna k dikhaya gya hai
Sanjay leela bhansali nai history dikhai hai , 2024 nahi dikhaya
I need this video in English
Amazing yummy information ❤
Only Bollywood, India, can fantasize about real history, misrepresentation of the Subcontinent past 😅
It's indian subcontinent not subcontinent
There are many and bigger red street areas in india than h.m of Lahore. But indian will not make film on those.
Watch Gangubaai.....
There are many movies on red light area in India. It just they didn't get much publicity as this show.
Iss ellaqa ka naam Shahi muhallah se heera mandi kaesay ban gaya. Iss ki bhi aik history hai, jo aap ney nahi bataee
کیا 1940 میں سب کچھ ایسا ہی تھا جس طرح اس documentary میں کہا گیا ہے.
میرے خیال میں %60 ان کی باتیں درست ہیں
Bhansali movies are fake and artificial. Not based on reality.
Almost 80% sanjay Leela bansali truth.arry 14 years uss ne iss project per kaam kiya hai kuch tu credit do
@@shabnumshahzad5474 Definitely credit goes to Sanjay Leela Bhansali for making this master piece.
sanjy leela ki movie best movie hai best ever movie which shows hide character of history
Shocked Bollywood may have done a film on Pakistan that isn't about "bad Pakistan / ISI / Muslim terrorists / jihad lovers" but maybe the makers of the film don't listen to what the governing party of India wants to see in their film industry's portrayal of anything Pakistan. A shame the real Heera Mandi has disintegrated as it could, like other parts of the country, become a positive tourist attraction.
Pakistan must cash this opportunity given by SLB for tourism promotion
This isn't about Pakistan. It was set in pre partition India. Pakistan did not even exist then.
Bro apko ya sb kaha sa pth chala …. Agr movie ma sb wrong ha
History books🥹
Nice 👍