The Grand Final defining ref call | NRL 360
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- On a Grand Final review edition of NRL 360, Paul Kent Ben Ikin and James Hooper talk through the #SixAgain incident, what impact that had on the result and how it will be remembered.
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they have turned up the mic of the ref calling last play.....i couldnt hear that on the normal match footage,only 6 again....
what you hear on the tv replay is just a mix of audio. Doesnt mean it wasnt there. I had sportsears(with ref mix) at the ground and heard the refs change the call.
@@mesafto 3:17 mate
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@@mesafto you stupid clown "sportears"
@@of_oniichan7755 sportsears being the headphones you listen to for on ground ref audio
I feel sorry for JT, no backup from the other boys
What did expect from Gal he's biased af
What can you expect from James Bracey. The guy has beta male written all over him 😂. Disappointed in Gal though, should've backed up JT.
Jt was robbed many times by the ref's back in his day he felt every right to say something and did not back down what a true legend 👏
He called 6 again so which is what wighten saw so he took the tackle . If when they got it back and he saw it was 5th ( ref holding hand in the air with 5 fingers up instead of 6 again wave ) he would of kicked it and maybe got a repeat set . The ref blew a attacking opportunity
@truth seeker how do you know that he heard him? The crowd was going biserk the entire game,with deafening noise!I've seen games where players don't even hear the whistle it's that loud. Do you honestly think that wighton tried to beat 10 defenders on the last tackle? Highly unlikely
@truth seeker thats why refs do hand signals cause sometimes players cant hear the refs call from the noise around them
@truth seeker it was the refs "signal" that wighton saw,and then was focused on the play from there. Wighton even told fellow player emre guler to hold the ball and not to pass because they had 6 more
Yeh then called it off and screamed last like 5x.. don't be mad roosters won... AGAIN :D
@@Niighht roosters salary sombrero
You can't make a call on a live play and then go back on it. Hence why they wait till a try is scored or play is stopped to check with the video ref what has happened. If you make the call it has to stick whether it's right or wrong.
Adrian Cee who says? Where does it say if ref mis hears the other 2nd ref he can’t correct it?
Referees are the 2019 NRL Champions. Played consistent through the year🤣
LEE SOLID the sad thing is your not wrong.
I still think it slightly touched tedescos shoulder, and the fact he's jumping for the ball means he played at it
it hit raiders hand first, into teddy therefore a knock on.
@@gengarpokemon7731 it higg there shoulders not there hands
watch it the replay and you will see it hits the shoulder and hand.
After 4 years glad to have found somebody else with eyes, it is difficult to see but it hits both of their shoulders simultaneously, the ref made the correct call in the first place, how he gets overruled by the touch judge is insane to me.
But the thing is, the ref kept his arm stuck up in the air. As a player you see that in your peripheral vision and play-on. You’re not listening PLUS the crowd of 83,000+
They took a tackle because the referee’s arm was up and they couldn’t hear anything.
Arm in the arm means last tackle, Einstein. As a player you see the ref's arm in the air, in your peripheral vision, and you know it's the last tackle.
Everybody who was watching the game knows that the momentum was clearly with the Raiders towards the end of the game. That wrong call switched the momentum instantly in favour of the roosters. Trent Robinson was defensive to JT because he knew the wrong call was a huge factor with their win. Absolute twat. And JT knows all to well what it’s like to be robbed in finals footy.
Well in Robinsons defense if you were in his position when you just won the title, I don't think you'd say "oh yeah that was the wrong decision, we shouldn't have won." I feel like Robinson was in a lose lose situation either way when JT asked that question.
Trent's always been a twat he brought the unnecessary crackdown in but cries when it happens to him
@@chickonwings5482 but you still show some respect to JT
but if they kept the call it would have been unfair to the roosters
Total bullshit, you delusional wanker. Contrary to what you and some other morons seem to think, you don't get any points for 6 again, and there was no guarantee the Raiders would have scored. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle, and if there'd been 6 again, there may have been an intercept and a 100 metre try. Everybody who was watching - except for a small number of drooling imbeciles - knows that that's the way the cookie crumbles, and the Roosters won. Trent Robinson was defensive because his team won, but people were trying to make out that they didn't.
Tedesco definitely got a touch on that which means it should have been a 6 again, unlucky Raiders-Manly fan
Justin Simonet came off of the Canberra 14’s shoulder, its was give and last, the ref stuffed it by calling six again. It pisses me off that such focus is placed on it. Canberra can only think what could have been, I’m guessing Melbourne will have been thinking the same from finals week one. The refs reversed an incorrect and have made the game look bad, but at the end of the day the Raiders had plenty of chances, they did have the Roosters on the back foot for alot of the second half and were never able to convert any of the possession into points. Theres no guarantee they score in that set. Hypothetically they get the six again, lets say the Roosters defend the set and Raiders hand over possession. BJ Leilua can still make that defensive error that allowed the roosters to get to the other end and score. There are alot of what ifs that can go around and it’s unfortunate so much focus is being placed on this decision.
Think u watch different game
Didnt touch teddy
Didn't touch him u moron, they actually got the call correct for once
After 4 years glad to have found somebody else with eyes, it is difficult to see but it hits both of their shoulders simultaneously, the ref made the correct call in the first place, how he gets overruled by the touch judge is insane to me.
Refs ruined far more than the grand final this season,
Joe you are right. Refs being ruining games for many yrs. Many people don't turn up to games due to the refs.
@@craigk2644 they should be sinbinned for re-training
True eels vs warriors
Roosters vs raiders
2019 NRL Grand Final is remembered by referee wrong reason.
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2 wrong decisions
I think the ball coming off the Roosters trainer at the beginning of the match was way more devastating. Had he not been there the Raiders would have scored unopposed under the posts. As it happened the Roosters were given the ball back on half way, scored and pretty soon it was 8-0 to their favour rather than 6 points in arrears. That’s a 14 point tourn around. Haven’t scoured the net but am wondering why people are not talking about this grand misfortune. Hook me up with a link if they are please. Sick of sport going to the, “Script”
It was a brilliant game of league for 79 minutes and 45 seconds.
James Calley Don’t forget the next two minutes when the Canberra Raiders argued with the ref instead of defending their own line, they got a bad cold but it was on the roosters 10 meter line when they handed it over, but because they were too busy complaining about something that they couldn’t change, because the rash was not taking any challenges about it, they should have just been defending the next set
Just shows immaturity and a lack of discipline. Brilliant game other than that 😉
Poor old J Thurston hasn't had proper media training from channel 9... If you are a former player, you are not allowed to ask any challenging questions to current players or coaches.
Good on you JT for saying what everyone was thinking....legitimate question.... and no support from other channel 9 commentators....including "tough talking" Gallen and Guru Peter sterling.
Problem now is the media is full of former players that are bum chums with current players and coaches... No one asks a challenging question.
I'm a roosters fan and I really do think that the raiders were robbed a premiership
roosters coach seems a prick just like mitchell
You are not a roosters fan, you are not fooling anyone
Yeah they prob could have one but not just coz of that try going against they bombed at least 2 try that I can count. Joey not passing straight away. And then no support when he makes break at the end. We capitalised they didn't. End of story
It was such a good grand final with two really good sides at it then the refs recked it and that’s coming from a rooster fan
JT had every right to ask the question. Other commentators threw him under the bus by saying nothing.
JT says it how it is
Everyone is missing the point. Who cares if it was the correct call or not, the issue is the call was changed after a decision was made that the Raiders could attack for another set. If it was immediately signaled as last tackle, Wighton/Hodgson will absolutely kick the ball and fair play there on in. Get rid of the NFL inspired two refs system, it doesn't work.
Absolutely, they would’ve kept piling on the pressure. Roosters were going to crack. Not only did that let them off the hook it gave them the breather they needed.
You don’t know the 5th option kick wins them the game, so how is it definitively “robbed” what about if latrell catches the kick and runs 90m for a try, probability works both way buts it’s just probability otherwise it would be certainty
No one knows, but everyone think it’s Ashton Kutcher in the utterly effect where a single wrong “call” costs them the game, what about the forward pass costing the game, every single mistake, knock on, penalty could “cost them the game” why not blame every player too ? Why it blame the trainer? What about the couls for substituting to early or late. OR JUST ENJOY THE REST OR THE 79MINS OF THE GAME AND ACCEPT THEY COULD SCORE WITH ALL THOSE OPPORTUNITIES
@@aarongoodchild5040 I didn't say that. I said that they were given false information that was crucial to their decision on the last tackle. If they kick and Latrell goes 100m to score so be it, fair play. Nothing to be cranky about.
Ed sorry misunderstood, I would disagree though. The 2 refs aren’t bad the mis hearing/communicating between the two refs is what was bad,
What about just restarting the last tackle if there is an anomaly, like hitting a trainer or a ref mistaking something. The two ref System picks up more and faster, meaning we don’t have to go to the bunker for anything the one roof doesn’t miss. But maybe if he wanted to change the six again call, he could just blow the whistle take it back to where the kick was blown and start that as a fifth tackle?
The rules aren’t that bad it’s just every now and then there are unique situations that come up like a player running into a ref etc. just don’t feel we should change the rules for 99.9% of the game when it’s only those rare occasions that there is confusion.
6 again could happen with touchie, as ref mid hears touchie- ok lets get rid of the touchie
@@aarongoodchild5040 I heard the argument about a 'null tackle' to correct mistakes etc. In theory sure it's great, but I don't see where the line would be drawn on what can be replayed or not. Personally, I don't like the idea. I think human error unavoidable, but it's still a crucial part to the game. Even if I happen to be a Raiders supporter.
Refs deciding a game. How many times have we seen that. It was a concern going into the game and it ultimately became the case. Such a disappointment......smh!
It is what it is
I don't remember hearing the refs call for last tackle so I just now went back to the replay on the NRL app to see if it was as clear as the news replays have it and it's not. They've turned it up..... Still shm
@@aximusroh6453 figures.
@@aximusroh lol lazy fiver says th Gronk Fudge Packer even thumbed up his own comment 😅😂🤣
@@aximusroh6453 lol
Now talk about the repeat set and try for the Roosters when their own trainer denied Whitehead of the opening try.
Phil Tran watch the replay man soiliola tackles kearys legs in the air after the kick, flipping him onto his head so should’ve have been a roosters penalty
Ddm Nn Soliola was charging down the ball and Keary leaps 1m into the air. Don’t see how that’s a penalty. What I’m filthy about is what the trainer is even doing on the field?
Phil Tran do you really have to ask what a trainer is doing on the field?? He was doing his job, it was a fuckin fluke that it hit him. Be angry at the call not the trainer dumbass!
@@jaishwnd8609 Professional Rugby League players should not need a trainer 2 minutes into a grand final
Whitehead would of got tackled or beaten to the ball by Tedesco, papali would of been tackled by Cronk or at least slowed down for other players to help, or dropped it. The 6 again would have been defended. Roosters are the champs they won the the first half and the second half and never were behind on the score board at any time. Roosters all day.
If the Refs make a call in a critical part of the game ...They should STICK with it.!! That call cost the Raiders the Grand Final ...It's as simple as that ! If they are so worried about getting things right they should start looking at calling back forward passes when trys are scored off them !!!
Exactly!
The fact that he reversed his original call during a critical moment was the second mistake.
The onfield original call should have stayed (benefit of doubt) in favor of the attacking team.
ALI E even though that original call was incorrect?
@@Islamicwearcollectio there was no doubt. Touch judge and pocket ref both correctly called it off raider. The other ref made the wrong signal.
Thank you Kent speaking for the people, much respect
Should go back to just 1 ref and let the game go 🤷🏽♂️ feel for the raiders but at the end of the day sometimes that’s just the way the cookie crumbles. Could be worse could be a broncos fan like me and don’t know which team you’re gonna watch on the weekend 😂 still up the broncos haha
Try being a warriors fan least yous know what success is, warriors don't even know what consistent footy is
UPPP THE BRONNXXXXX
Alex Tofa dont feel for the raiders. If they where good enough they wouldve won simple
Now we have gone back to 1 refferee!
Its actually not that complicated an issue and the referees boss and the on ground officials are back pedaling and saying the incorrect call was changed to the correct call and "last play " was yelled 4 times.
That's all irrelevant.
The only time a referee can reverse a signal or a whistle being blown, either intentionally or accidentally is at "broken play"...so for example at the formation of a scrum , when ball has left the field, etc.
Rules allow for a referee for example after a knock on to indicate with his arm which team has the loose head and feed. He can change the decision about which team feeds the scrum for example.
What you cannot do as the controlling referee is to "reverse" an arm action or whistle blow.
If you err as the referee did in the GF you are obligated to pack a scrum and give the feed to the team with territorial advantage. Won't necessarily be the team in possession but during this GF incident obviously it was Canberra with the territorial advantage so should have in exactly the same way that Roosters got to feed a scrum after the ball hit the trainer, Canberra feed.
Here's some questions to put to the Referees Director.....so if you are saying that it's only an unfortunate incident but the referee was correct in changing his call.....what's your ruling on these scenarios.
The referee accidentally blows the whistle but upon doing so immediately yells out "no play on, play on, play on, play on ". Is that a scrum feed or play on as the referee has shouted. ? We both know the answer....it's a scrum.
Question 2....Reverse the referee call on grand final night....bomb comes down and he makes the call "not touched, still the last ". Canberra player during the motion of being tackled 1 metre out from the tryline pocket referee yelling"it was touched, 6 again", and main referee waves 6 more. But half the Roosters didn't hear the 6 more or see the arm action. They've relaxed knowing it's a handover and take a moment to set themselves for an attacking set to get out of their end. In the meantime Canberra play the ball quickly and dummy half dives over to claim a try......again, the CORRECT ruling in this instance is try disallowed but scrum feed to Canberra, 10 metres out.
By YOUR interpretations Director of refereeing you would actually be incorrectly awarding the try.
Andrew Wakley. I understand where you are coming from with the first part, however i dont know the rule to agree or disagree. The answer to your 2nd question though, I believe would have to be try as I don't think they can change a call from the previous play, if they are allowed to play the ball and continue the game. I may of miss interpreted what you meant though
Wouldn't it have become more controversial if the refs played their mistake and the Raiders scored.. Then we would be saying the Roosters were robbed... It's a lose/lose... I think the refs made the right call.. Only problem is that it was in an ugly circumstance.
I don’t know where you’re getting these rules? You are acting like they’re definitive rules in these grey areas of the game, particularly this one of a ref mishearing are another ref or touchy.
In the “NRL ales and interpretations” (a PDF file found with google search)
There no detailed outline of these rules your so certain about
Or are you saying because it doesn’t say “he can change his call” then he’s. It allowed
It’s actually the opposite if it doesn’t say he “HAS TO STICK TO EVERY CALL REGUARDLESS OF ALL CIRCUMSTANCES BE IT A MISHEARING ETC” then he has the discretion to do so
Ultimately it’s up to his discretion if there’s no definitive rule
It’s just funny that everyone has an opinion when these anomalies come up in the game, but no one looks at the rulebook and campaigns for it to be change to a more stricter one where every single scenario is written down.
The issue here is that Jack didn’t hear ref not the change of call, so I agree if there’s a reverse yeah maybe pack a scrum but that’s not the best solution cause it disadvantages the team with momentum,
Change the rule sure but Cummins was fine by EXSISITNG rules
You are upset about rules not the ref(Cummins decision)
@@aarongoodchild5040 sorry i should have been more specific. The "rules" I was referring to aren't the rules of the game but rather the Referees Officiating Rules Book.
Haven't got my copy on me so can't give you a page number but it's essentially the referee's bible.
Explains in detail correct signaling and how to officiate a game.
There's a small section on what to do in the event of refereeing error and I know from memory includes examples such as blowing the whistle accidentally and an incorrect call during the run of play. It's not the rule book of the game of league as per sec but it is used by referees for example during grading exercises to work your way up to becoming a Level 4 referee. For example on grading nights the Director of Refereeing in my zone would go through scenarios and you had to indicate what action you would take on the field.
To be fair to the NRL they might (and probably should have) in the past made an effort to explain to everyone that their referees and touch judges operate in different guidelines to the 5000 amateur rugby league games on a weekend because they have the benefits of a review system out of the 'bunker' and a second pocket referee.
Even little things like where touch judges are standing at tap restarts are different from what you see on TV to other grade football.
It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if the NRL had 30 minutes of TV next year at the commencement of the season just going through how decisions are made and the level of interaction between the officials and the reviews. That's why in my earlier post I suggested it should be the Director of NRL referees to answer my questions. He might actually say I'm very wrong and unlike the 5000 other games of grade football each weekend NRL referees CAN in fact blow whistles and change their minds. He was pretty certain about the change of arm signaling during play being acceptable so maybe that needed to be stressed. There's a lot of people who's only experience with rugby league is what they watch on TV but equally there's tens of thousands who have been involved in junior or grade football for years and the contrast in interpreting rules and watching the sport.....at times it's almost like it's a different game.
Hope this makes more sense??
Andrew Wakely fair enough
But we have to take your word there’s a handbook that if binding by the “2019 NRL laws and interpretations”
That it’s not out of date
That these procedures in the refs handbook are the “rules” and not just proceedures IE touchie has to stand at point X and if he doesn’t it’s a rule that he can’t make a call etc
Seems convenient to say it’s in the ref’s book but I can’t dispute it cause it’s not accessible/you can’t find it etc
Either way though I agree with you they should have a better, more detailed rules book, and have a large people vote on it(not just a handful of people)
I agree it should have been a whistle blown if ref makes a mistake or it hits a trainer- I say just restart the play the ball of the tackle,
Point is these are good ideas but they are not in the rules “nrl laws and interpretations” so it seems your problems is that they are not in there
At the end of the day- the current ruling is Refs have final call. True they get it wrong at times but to be honest changing it to the right call is soo much better than sticking with the howler that everyone knows was wrong
This was not a howler, people think it’s a howler only cause rooster scored next set, no try no problems
Well now you know what warriors fans feel like every week.
Johnny Silivetelo and cowboys fans every postseason (2016 and 2014 intensifies)
Warriors are a jokes they should be in the finals or even grand finals but that club is a absolute joke not a strong culture in the players
I understand why the raiders are annoyed but they can’t blame it on the ref when they had so many opportunities to score way before and even after they couldn’t even score against 12 man
Prarabha Shrestha exactly “possible” not even 100% sure that they would of even scored
Exactly. It was an awful blunder to signal, but to deny 6 again was the correct call. Wighton didn't have another tackle anyway. All the stats - possession, you name it - favoured the Raiders after 80 minutes + they had an extra man for 10 minutes. To be frank, the Raiders have their ineffective attack to blame. The controversy shouldn't take anything away from the Roosters deserved win, but it makes great copy to pursue it because the 'underdog gets hard done by' outrage sells clicks.
@Fev Ola "if they don’t score there defensive line is set you score down the left corridor because raiders are in attack formation think about that for a second!" - changing formations happens in about 5 seconds in 1st grade, come off it. A total non factor.
@Fev Ola soliola took keary out in the air.. would be a penalty even if it didn't hit the trainer. And keary came down headfirst. So it's dangerous contact. That's no get out of jail free card for the raiders. In fact, the roosters were better off had a penalty been awarded
@Fev Ola take a look at 30 seconds in on the match highlights on CZcams. Soliola wasn't going for the ball,
Goodbye rugby league. I’m done.
McBain lol. You’re a real one mate. See ya 👋
NRL Highlights see ya next season 🥴
Hahaha, see you in February
@o k See you in February too
Funny things is you will keep watching cause even though there are some mistakes the game is still good
You are just like the Raiders having a cry about a bad call, instead of defending the next set of six. They were out of position because they were busy complaining about the call rather than getting into the defensive line.
By your physical nature why are you still even watching now, there’s been bad calls all year, and this call did not cost them the game it was their inability to keep professional and mature and defend the opposing team on their own(roosters 10m line) 10 m mind you, it’s the sooking to the ref that changed the momentum not the call
They had defended final game, but if you look at the footage you say the Raiders just standing around when it’s cleared the decision had been overturned
Canberra were Robbed by incompetent officiating - Warriors Fan
NgatiRora1 Robbed maybe for about 10 secs but not for 79 mins, the Raiders played 10 mins against 12 and did nothing. It does look bad BUT the Raiders didn’t get fucked
You don’t know the 5th option kick wins them the game, so how is it definitively “robbed” what about if latrell catches the kick and runs 90m for a try, probability works both way buts it’s just probability otherwise it would be certainty
No one knows, but everyone think it’s Ashton Kutcher in the utterly effect where a single wrong “call” costs them the game, what about the forward pass costing the game, every single mistake, knock on, penalty could “cost them the game” why not blame every player too ? Why it blame the trainer? What about the couls for substituting to early or late. OR JUST ENJOY THE REST OR THE 79MINS OF THE GAME AND ACCEPT THEY COULD SCORE WITH ALL THOSE OPPORTUNITIES
Canberra robbed hahaha as if 10min they were gifted an additional player. There was plenty time between the incorrect call for them to know it was last just excuses by ricky excuses stuart.
Agreed. All these blind idiots saying “they were not robbed” need to get their heads out of their ass. If wighton had known it was still last and NOT six again then he could’ve kicked and forced a set reset with a line dropout or played to the wing but instead he took the tackle thinking he had six to go... only to be told by some dumb dog that it was last and it’s a handover. How did Cummins even get picked to ref the grand final. Same dickhead who sin binned Matt Gillet back in the day for being offside after the player ran 40 metres after receiving a penalty... absolute disgrace to the game . NRL is a joke now
@@mstarLAHD Well said, these other idiots wouldnt know how rugby league is played, hence their pathetic comments.
trents the most arrogant coach ever
"i thought that our defending premiers team was under the pump from a team that didn't make top 8 last year"
How does the roosters get the ball back after it hits their trainer as well. I give up on the game
You do realize it shouldve been a penalty anyway for Soliola taking Keary's legs out in the air after the kick ?
King Chek didn’t see that part
@@chek33official Wasn't after. It was as it happened. Learn the rules noob.
@@tomtonka1915 what's your point bro ? 🤣
@@tomtonka1915 he still took his legs out. Noob
What no one is pointing out is that number 20 for the Roosters, Jake Friend, is involving himself in the play from an offside position while Cummins is still signalling 6 again because he ruled that Tedesco knocked the ball forward.
All the talk about 6 again is not a guarantee the Raiders would score, well Croker taking the righfully awarded penalty goal is a good a chance you'll ever get.
Dont support either team and watched this grand final with people who dont support either team. There was sooo many bad calls a few of the people I watched it with were like "did the roosters pay off the refs?" 🤣
Suck it up. Who cares if a reff changes his mind to get the right decision. As long as it's the right decision. Best team won. The Roosters seemed to overcome more adversity and capitalise on less chances. Congratulations Roosters.
Think you're missing the point
You can’t change the call during play, ruined the grand final
not to mention the trainer running across field of play lol
Kaleb Nolan yeah but if he didn’t change the call that would’ve been controversial anyway
vZWG doesn’t matter, stick with the first call
The one that all the players are playing to
Nate loves to Shop no you can’t, once you’ve made your call you have to live with it. Just like last year when the ref “thought” the pass was for for the raiders, admitted he was wrong and cost the raiders the game
I'm sorry but iv got great eyes and every replay slow motion or otherwise clearly shows tedescos shirt moving as the ball comes down which clearly shows it touched his shoulder as well so therefore it should be 6 again simultaneous contact that went backwards towards Canberra so it's not a knock on from Canberra but played at by Tedesco so has to be 6 again so the fact they keeping saying they got it right in the end is completely wrong anyway. IMO in situations like that you can't say given the point of the game that it was fair to continue without having a serious look at that call. It was a farce and was a call that usually the cowboys would get given. Appalling and roosters didn't deserve to win that game. You can say what you want about the Raiders needing to move on from that call and play, bit the fact the roosters score on next play just further compounds that issue.
Good stuff.....good discussion, very frustrated, disappointed. Two great teams, the outcome.....sad.
That penalty try should have been awarded. The 6 again fiasco on top of that was not unfortunate, it was unforgivable.
"The 6 again fiasco on top of that was not unfortunate, it was unforgivable."...............Why mate? It didn't come off the Roosters so it WAS NEVER 6 again anyway. And i highly doubt Wighton would have otherwise created anything on the last anyway - they had 100 cracks at the Roosters goal line defence all night and couldnt get through
@Clutch7 it was a change in momentum only because Leiula and co on the right side fell asleep briefly. The Raiders were not good enough to put the Chooks away, even 1 man down and with all that possession. End of.
Raiders had 10 minutes when Coops was bin but didn't capitalise on that and didn't defend their line well and Roosters scored that wining try. Credit to the Chooks. Shows they still the Champion Team with a great bunch of boys.
Imagine if it was reversed so the roosters got robbed imagine how much worse the media would of gone crazy
The ref can't and shouldn't have gone back on his call. Yes the Roosters defended extremely well. Yes the game was close. But, there is no denying that this very moment changed the game. The Raiders completely changed and lost all momentum. If the ref had stuck to his call, would have Canberra scored of the second set? Maybe, we'll never know.
It's definitely a moment that changed the game. Roosters capitalised off the error of a Ref, not Canberra. That's what makes it a sour win.
I think Raiders vs Roosters just made a massive rivalry after this call. Love it. I’m all for it 😂
Even
Thurston said it was 6 again.. He said if he was a raiders fan he'd be shattered..at that call.. If raiders had scored at the 6 that would have changed the game! ...Canberra would have been the premiers.
How can you call repeat set then give a handover, *where is that in the rulebook?* Trent keeps deflecting the issue come on bro, watched it on Fox out here in the States, really broke me dude...
Where does it say he has to stick to a call if he mis hears the other ref?
Nobody is talking about the fitness bloke defusing the ball early on, all the Aussie teams leave them on directing traffic it's a disgrace.
Roosters won fair and square raiders had there opportunity to win when leilua could have passed to rapana sooner and roosters playing with 12 men for 10 mins.raiders didn’t take advantage.brett morris was to good under the high ball!
1000% agree
No not fair and square.
Dee Cns what’s not fair and square! Explain!
Lucy Claire I have in other posts in this video.
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JT knows that the raiders should have won! 😂
As a cowboys fan who does not usually care about the raider... the raiders deserved to win that grand final more than any other team this year!
Robinson very arrogant response to a legend of the game,JT.Kind of reflects the Roosters all round really,they arrogantly appear to be able to disregard the salary cap and assemble the best set of players in the comp.Seriously,Mickey mouse could coach that group of players to success.
It looks like it comes off the Roosters players shoulder to me. IMO they got the call wrong eventually. Should have been 6 again all along.
I would've ruled a touch too
haha
That touched tedesco's left shoulder.
After 4 years glad to have found somebody else with eyes, it is difficult to see but it hits both of their shoulders simultaneously, the ref made the correct call in the first place, how he gets overruled by the touch judge is insane to me.
Funny how everyone hears the ref say 6 AGAIN once but apparently no one hears the ref say LAST at least 4 times.
It’s clearly off Tedesco’s shoulder not Simmonson’s
Huge BS from the NRL
Gershom Auna Look at Bateman at 2:11
He is told clearly it’s a change over, ref runs to defensive line to give roosters 10m and indicate PLAY ON, Bateman wasn’t confused he DISAGREED WITH REF and just walks over to the ball anyway and picks it up at 3:23 to slow play down.
Bateman KNOWS THE CALL hand over as he looks at ref see him run past and just PUT HEAD DOWN AND GOES TO BALL
There’s already two guys there next jack and another raider, so now there’s 3 there, and a hole in the defensive line
And guess what he’s number 11 that’s third man in from the right...
Where did the rooster score game winning try?? Left edge(raiders right)!!
If it was jack yeah maybe some confusion, but Bateman was too busy having a SOOK to defend
It’s the culture Ricky has there, to blame refs 1st, take responsibility 2nd
Argue if there stoppage but not if there’s a clear call and ref is not budging
If you want to blame someone you could even blame Bateman for leaving that hole
@@aarongoodchild5040 too right suck it up raiders.
Clutch7 you present no facts, you listen to no facts, just say “worst call ever” but don’t articulate why. I don’t actually go for roosters and thought raiders dominated for 70 mins maybe more, I am looking at it objectively
How can you say the raiders weren’t standing around having a sook after looking at the video? I gave the times to look at... but you say “ how can you say that they don’t have culture” it’s evedent in their response to a call that was made, as in past tense MADE, no more discussion, play on. Cronk handle his send off professionally, use his “time to complain” instead to build up the troops morale for when he was gone
If you don’t think Ricky making excuses every 2nd game they loose and blaming refs doesn’t have an influence on culture, maybe read I dunno... read any book in the world on sports culture, they ALL say don’t waste time blaming others, just work on what’s in your circle of influence (or what you can control)
I’m sure they aren’t that bad in their culture, but it was plane to see in the way they argued THAT call, slowed the play down etc, after the bad call was MADE
Movies&&Highlights!!! Cronk point was = him not WASTING TIME spooking but instead BOOSTING MORALE
My main issue is you don’t know it changed everything
You don’t know the 5th option kick leads to them winning them the game, so how is it definitively “robbed” or “cost them the game” what about if latrell catches the kick and runs 90m for a try, probability works both way but it’s just probability otherwise it would be certainty
No one knows, but everyone think it’s Ashton Kutcher in the butterly effect where a single wrong “call” costs them the game, what about the forward pass costing the game, every single mistake, knock on, penalty could “cost them the game” why not blame every player too ? Why not blame the trainer? What about the coach for substituting to early or late? OR JUST ENJOY THE REST OR THE 79MINS OF THE GAME AND ACCEPT THEY COULD NOT SCORE WITH ALL THOSE OPPORTUNITIES even with a man down.
@@aarongoodchild5040what about them chooks needed a damm trainer on the field 2mins in a game that charge down and it hit the trainers head that wasn't roosters ball and he would of scored
Deadset that ball came off Teddy’s shoulder
It clearly came off raiders
@Alex. C He's a Canberra fan so he's probs smokes meth and thats why he can't see straight
Brett Felsman blind
These types of incidents in a rugby league game requires the referee to make an immediate judgement call. Once that call is made the referee should stick with that call. Plain and simple.
It's obvious that the referees did everything possible to benefit the Roosters in that incident.
It’s not crystal clear that Tedesco didn’t touch the ball at all while making a play for it, so it’s a huge (and unnecessary) call to reverse a decision while the play continues.
Also since this video it’s been reported that the NRL rules specifically say it’s not possible to reverse a decision during play unless there was a foul requiring a penalty.
Didn't stop Leilua from not being able to put Rapana in the corner 5 minutes before
I guess nobody rememberes the Raiders dropping the ball cold in the play the ball only to have the decision changed for no reason to a penalty which lead to the Cronk sinbin play? Thought not haha
Panthers fan here and Raiders got robbed, i'm still not over this 8 months later and why i gave up on watching NRL, it's a grand final, 78th minute, like how the hell do you stuff that up!?
I wonder if you all agree with the premise of JTs question. Especially when its directed to a Coach who's team benefited from
Let it go. Shot happens
Exactly JT was well within his rights to address the elephant in the room and Robinson made himself look stupid with his icy response.
@@roughgooch7859 he doesnt have to answer!! that's the refs job, go and ask them or greenturd.
Roughgooch Robinson deflecting like a politician
You have 80mins to win the game and blaming the game on one call? Really? If you want to win, play good footy, score points and don't leave the game to the reefs.
Aye, they blame the ref for ONE CALL, ONE CALL!
Yes it should have gone to golden point and then have s true winner. That final winner is the ref, and will always be known as a final the ref blewBluewater raises got robbed never the final Roosters won.
@@F1GiggiMcClutch Whingers and losers always make excuses and blame others.
Richard Latu EXACLTY! No ones forcing them to do it and Canberra had manny opportunities to score but couldn’t, Roosters are just too good ❤️
Richard Latu granted they had 80mins but that call at such a critical time of the game. I personally felt the roosters were starting to crack. Wighton wouldn’t have scored off that last tackle but they could’ve applied more pressure to the tiring roosters. That call not only gave the roosters a breather, the confusion it caused gave the roosters the opportunity they needed to score that try in that set. For me it ruined a beautiful game of rugby league.
Canberra totally dominated the roosters in the 2nd half. The ref did call last tackle but the signal told the world, ` Six more tackles to go.' It was confusing to the Canberra players. The better team Lost. And that`s a fact.
Everyone is saying raiders should of won. Raiders where not good enough. Simple as that they had plenty of chances but couldnt crack the roosters defence even with 12 man. Roosters got half a chance and scored. Thats the difference. But no one will talk about the qualities shown by the roosters and everyone will talk about a call made by the ref.
Why, because when people or teams are on top they start developing a lot of haters. So people will say anything to take the credit away from the Roosters when they clearly deserved their success.
either way if he called again (it clearly come off a raiders sholder) and raider score from it then we would be sitting here aruging about how it wasnt 6 again and how rooster got screwed lol
The ball hit Tedesco's shoulder it should've been reset to 6 again.
Cronks early tackle on Papalii right in front of the try line with no other defender close enough to stop him is a penalty try every time.
Raiders got robbed
Waa waa waa sore loser
@@-ac-8296 only sore loser is yo mama... Biiiaaatch
I will never watch or take my children to the game anymore ..Absolutely disgraceful..I’m a parrammatta fan ..Roosters and Melbourne always get looked after ..By the Nrl ..Salary cap Rort for sure..!
It was a tough decision to make and possibly the decision was the game changer at the time. Though Six Again or Not we still would be here saying that the Roosters or Raiders were robbed. If it were not for the circumstance (play) we would'nt be here and we wouldnt be criticizing the referee.
Best example of why there should only be one ref. If the call was correct or not it would not have been over ruled by the other ref. Bill harragon made plenty of mistakes but the decisions stood.
As a Roosters fan I think Canberra should have won that game. That referee was shocking
Bloody roosters are lucky when I watched it on TV I was completely shocked when it wasn’t six again The video shows that he waived six again
Facts- the ball came off croker, the only wrong decision the ref made was to award 6 again initially.
When the charge down kick went back to deflect off the trainer keary was taken out whilst in the air, it would have been a penalty anyhow.
The raiders had a dominant amount of possession- 56% and spent more time in the opposition half. They were awarded more penalties. They had 10 minutes against 12 men.
Roosters were better in defence. That's why they're champions.
No
@@deevita7459 don't be bitter pal. Raiders just weren't good enough.
Ben CG I hate both teams ,but that call killed such a beautiful game of rugby league.
@@deevita7459 the cronk call and the 6 again fiasco were both massive stuff ups in a game full of reffing inconsistencies. I just think that all this talk takes away from the roosters who put on the best defensive effort of the year. Both teams showed a lot of heart.
Ben CG no doubt roosters defensive effort was amazing. I personally feel that Cronk deserved that yellow because had he tried tackling a second later with the ball firmly in Papaliis hands he would’ve been bumped off and maybe hurt his shoulder. But we’ll never know, and that’s the suckfull thing about those calls.
NRL are continuously shooting themselves in the foot and the game is continuing to steadily decline as a result of blunders and mistakes . RIP NRL.
A couple more years of this bs and the game is gone. I guarantee that ratings and game attendance will be down next year, as it has been declining. The NRL is being run by a bunch of clowns.
How did Ben not get fired baffles me in 2022
I'll go from watching 3 or 4 games every week and highlights of nearly all the games, to barely watching any of this rubbish. How hard is it to ref a game of league?? There's 2 refs, touchies and video refs and they stuff up something nearly every single game! Absolutely hopeless!!!
Albert Tokahere ok bye
What next women reffing the game?..... Oh wait.....
This is why rugby is far superior
namwens look at the state of rugby in Aus
Qld private schools are starting to play league now
AUS domestic rugby is a joke
It’ll be gone in 5 years
@@namwens1 😅😂🤣
In the context of the overall game couldn't Ben Cummins simply have disregarded the call of the sideline ref. Hindsight being 20/20, perhaps his private thinking now is that having made the mistaken 6-again call which the Raiders acted on he (Cummins) should have maintained that ruling to mitigate the type of public uproar that might eventuate from its reversal...which is exactly the thing that is happening presently.
Exactly right he should have stuck with his original 6 again call, because one it was probably the right call anyway but even if there was a 50/50 element to the call at least he made the call and stuck with it. To change his call while the Raiders were running and attacking they aren't going to see that or hear that with the crowd the way they were so he's compounded the situation by changing his mind. That's what ruined the game. The call itself was irrelevant but the changing of it certainly wasn't.
Roosters fairly won! Canberra had so many opportunities to score off leilua but couldn’t, roosters won fair and square and were the better side. People need to let it go and need to be thankful it didn’t go any other way.
What other way?
Dee Cns well it’s something called attack they had many opportunities to line break, roosters got 1 and Tedesco scored! Canberra just weren’t as good as chooks
Lucy Claire you said people need to be thankful it didn’t go the other way? What other way?
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This still fires me up. Like nrl still hasn’t apologised or changed rules. U can’t change the call while the play is still going. Why should players have to check more then one time to see if the ref has changed his mind,
Roosters coach wasn't even man enough to admit that his team got incredibly lucky in that moment due to a referee blunder, and that this blunder probably determined the outcome of the match.
Instead he chose to get all passive-aggressive with one of the sport's all-time greats, simply for asking a pertinent question.
Wil Sargisson passive-aggressive for sure, I yet if JT was asked the same question if he was on both the losing side or winning side he would give an honest and genuine answer no matter how his side would finish.
Cummins was directly next to it, slow it down completely and it actually comes of tedescos shoulder first off....therefore 6 again was the correct decision originally. (I don't support either teams). The referees have put me off NRL! Get rid of touch judges - replaces with cameras, and have one impartial referee (even international referees for finals with no biases)
clearly comes off cortics shoulder
@@lukelanger138 pause it and watch it pause play style. I'm not saying it doesn't hit the raiders player shoulder but the first glance is on tedescos.
@@lukelanger138 and regardless the decision was made (even if wrong) - the referee that the raiders could see made the call....it's like going back to the raiders forward pass try which was correctly called as no try and then going back and the other ref awarding it 4 seconds later.....there would be up roar and rightly so.
@@danielsmith7214 there would be uproar because the decision would have been incorrect i agree it is unfair that the decision was overturned during play but i was the right decision and 5th and last was shouted mulitple times i feel it was not as bad as people are making out and raiders were not robbed controversial yes, not robbed
@@lukelanger138 yeah, just as per what they say here it just changes mentality etc. It's definately not the roosters fault and they got the win, that's the way some games go, but very controversial and those referees have been dodge all year!
multiple things could have happened:
1. Raiders kick on fifth, Force a repeat set and score
2. Raiders kick on fifth, force a repeat set and fint score,
3. Raiders kick on fifth, Roosters get the ball out
4. Raiders kick on fifth, Roosters get the ball out, go up the field Leilua makes his bad defensive error Roosters score
5. Six again call is maintained, Raiders have another set, force a repeat set, dont score
6. Six again is maintained, Raiders score
7. Six again is maintained, kick the ball dead, Roosters get a seven tackle set, don’t score
8. Six again is maintained, kick the ball dead, Roosters get a seven tackle set and score
9. Six again is maintained, Roosters defend their line, handover don’t score
10. Six again is maintained, Roosters score off of Leilua’s mistake
We gotted robbed with ten minutes left it was the biggest punch in the gut I’ve ever felt in my life
Not good enough NRL
Reffs should face some sort of punishment for bad calls
This is why rugby league is failing.
I only 4 games a year now
State of origin and the final.
They've changed the game so much its stale now.
Seriously between 4 infield refs and the bunker they couldn't have halted play and review and make a fair decision.
Hopeless
Loud noise on the field and in the crowd. Players play according to hand signals. We were robbed.
Im glad that in the end it's not the players but it's the people that control the game stuffed it up, I was rooting for Raiders but the roster defended well.
What a joke NRL governing bodies are corrupt cheaters it happens every single week this was the last straw for me I will never watch another NRL game again ever
I will still watch all my favourite shows nrl360 and the Matty Johns double as for following a team there is no point as it’s worse the professional wrestling the premiers are decided before kickoff round 1
The're illuminate scientologists
REMATCH
Its too late now 😓
I think the big thing to come out of this "6 again" moment, is not that he called 6 again, then reversed it to "still the last", is that if you listen to Ben Cummins voice, he DOESN'T say "6 again", he says "IS THAT 6 AGAGIN"?? - like he's asking the other ref to make the call for him. This is why it needs to go back to 1 ref. It's why we take an eternity to make a call on a try, because, no one is prepared to make the call, knowing that the ref can look to the other ref, or video ref to make the call for him. So this is where the NRL need to STOP pandering to everyone, and go back to 1 ref, and get rid of the video ref, or if they insist on the video ref, then each team is only allowed 1-2 times per half or game to use it. But I'd rather no video, 1 ref, and we live and die by the decisions made in the heat of battle, no of this slow motion BS, did Cooper tackle Papali a micro second before he had the ball, lets slow it down to super, slo mo to check. No wonder the NRL is losing to AFL, soccer, and International sports for viewership!
There is a theory over here in New Zealand that the refs are part of a betting syndicate which predetermines the results of the games. The refs ref the game accordingly. Were the refs decisions made in the Grand Final proof of the theory?
No. If it was a conspiracy they would have just correctly not called 6 again to begin with.
How dare Trent Robinson talk to jt like that
The trainer getting in the head was huge. And canberra shouldve had a penalty try
gigante87 look at footage Leary gets tackled at legs while in the air = penalty
Rest assured, the premiership will be stripped from the roosters once they find the cooked books.
The cheaters who obviously are the bookies and corrupt officials don't care. They've already made a motza.
I think you mean best accountants and book keepers...
@Alex. C There was no evidence for the Melbourne Storm either until it all "appeared". And for your information, before you make condescending comments about brain capacity, perhaps you should have a long hard look at your grammar...
NRL need to give salary cap exemptions to clubs that cultivate young players. E.g. tigers, panthers and that would prevent teams like the roosters coming in and poaching players.
Roosters have no fans turn up to their games the whole year until grand final day, then every rooster fan comes out of the wood work and wants to give their two cents.
Fact: Wighton got man of the match in a losing team (that says it all).... so chances are that he would have kicked it if he knew it was last tackle. Who knows he might have kicked it dead or it might have been a line drop... We will never know cos the refs fucked it.
If I got $1 for every time someone has said this I would be well off it’s a shame there is no evidence to your speculation it all comes down to good management and recruitment.....end of story
What a great game.i know ppl will be upset but raiders will have a massive fire in there belly’s now for next year.
I’m happy for either teams to WIN..
But Robinson and Gronk showed their true colours and just don’t know how to be real men and not politician like ppl...
There is nothing wrong to say YES the refs stuffed up a call at a crucial moment and we have had a bunch of them in the past.. Just glad the boys kept their heads down didn’t let it affect us and went on to win the game..
Why can’t these ppl just be honest for ONCE.. No one blames the ROOSTERS Trent.. I’m sure if it were other way around you would be blowing up... Just call it for what it was and acknowledge it feel for Raiders and accept your Victory...
NRL is a waste of time... People just watch highlights and follow scores. Your health would be better for it..
As much as it was a bad call, the Raiders had plenty of opportunities to score but didn't. Defense wins primierships
what so your saying that cronk would be able to stop o
papali
Tanner Brown yeah that’s what he’s saying lol. Papali would have bulldozed him. That was a deadset try. The whole game was fucked from the start
Tanner Brown Cronk was gonna get trampled by papali lol so he went for a penalty classic rooster
Mmm maybe the raiders should have pounce on that opportunity to crack the roosters who where tiring and now down to 12 men?
Poor old faiders.
kryptoz shut up you 12 yr old child who wouldn’t know an thing about the game
This is just damage control. That ball hit both players. No way anyone in real time could make and strong enough call to overturn the original decision. Stop digging a deeper hole and investigate the real problem. Match fixing from sports gambling.
It looked like it touched teddy as well which at worst should have been a double knock on
80000 people screaming and you expect physically and mentally fatigued players to hear the smallest person on the fields voice i think its another prime example of shitty referring at a crucial moment the end
I feel like if Raiders scored a match winning try after an incorrect call, then it'll still be controversial. But I guess we'll never know what would've happened if it was six again.
#RaidersRobbed
Ok listen up or would it be read up...anyways in my mind as a raiders supporter they had a rough grand final alright im sick of the big teams like roosters and storm. The raiders a small team with no big named players unlike all these other teams working there absolute asses off to get here and then this happens shame to see a good game be fucked up because of a referees misunderstanding and a water boy shocking NRL fix your game.
U still have to work to get the try