You Don't Understand Canute from Vinland Saga.
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- You Don't Understand Canute from Vinland Saga.
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I love Canute. This man is the embodiment of ambition and realistic pursuit towards a goal nearly unattainable to the common man. Being the absolute gigachad of his series (sorry Thorfinn, you're a close second), his conclusion will only elevate his character to the apex of antagonistic forces in storytelling.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Why Canute is the GOAT
2:00 - Growing into a King
5:20 - Conquering God
8:20 - Reinstating why Canute is PEAK
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Canute: A Christian turned Atheist fighting god for a peace on Earth that a father abandoned
Thorfinn: An atheist turned more Christian like than some Christians to create a peace on Earth, because he abandoned his father. Now wanting that back
Both act in different means but ultimately want one thing, to end war and fighting
Two sides of the same coin
You can’t talk about Thorfinn’s journey without having Canute in the picture, Canute really is the only person other than Thorfinn to why Vinland Saga is so good of a story
I also love how both Canute and Thorfinn just take a nap and their personalities just suddenly change I love it 😂
lol christians are pro violence, not against it. the crusades happened before this AND after. Christians are about killing non christians.
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Canute did not become an atheist. Otherwise he would not believe God exists. In fact, his resentment for God is a sign he still believes in God. Its a hurt faith, if anything.
@@thebonfireofgains That, makes more sense actually 😮
@@egg3228 Take it from a still Catholic guy who has asked the same painful questions as the priest and Canute. Those scenes get me more emotional than some would, which is what made me appreciate both manga and anime's emphasis on Chtistianity. Look at the ch 29 cover. Its the cross grave marker, aligned to the title:
Father and Son
Jesus is God the Son, who died on the Cross. Christians belong to the Body of Christ. And Christians are buried in the Earth marked by the Cross
God the Father can be said to be the sun just rising over it but the point is the chapter cover unifies God's presence and silence to the silent dead whose faith has not been validated bec the wicked killed them anyway
It's really important to look at Canute in the context of his early primary influence. He initially rejects Willibald as a blasphemer due to the priest's questioning of God's will and whether God is good at all, and he very specifically says it as "Because there's no way any Father wouldn't love His children." So his realization about God comes in part from his finally accepting that his own father Sweyn Forkbeard doesn't love him at all, and it was his acceptance of this reality that informed his change the most, as he realized God was the same principle on a much bigger level, and if God can't be any better than a lowly self-absorbed egotist like Sweyn, He is not worthy of anything more than scorn. This is why I think his transformation works so well, it takes his acceptance of one thing he was aware of but unwilling to confront from the very beginning and extrapolates that one change into informing a much bigger one.
Also, kinda shocked that you cut the intro right before the best line Canute has in the entire series: "Our Father, no longer will I beg you for deliverance. If you will not grant it to us, then we, with our own hands, will create our own paradise upon the earth."
I found it interesting he cut that line, too, considering it's the line that encapsulates his development going forward.
He's not my favorite character but this video convinced me he's the most important character to how the entire plot and world building is brought from the ground up. I think that's why he's introduced so much early on in the manga then the anime. I appreciate Canute more and more every time I re-read or re-watch Vinland Saga. Vinland Saga truly is a masterpiece.
« You are correct Canute, kill your father, kill your brother, kill everyone until the path of bones leads to your paradise!! It is a duty to heavy for the common mind! »
Canute is also my fav, the developpement of this character is mind blowing and he has some of the most interesting and unique themes in the entire story such as : Meaning Of Love, Rebellion Against God, Canute’s Paradise And The Curse Of The Crown!!💯 One Of The Most Unique Character I’ve Seen For Sure
Canute went from pacifist to warmaker. Thorfinn went from a psycho killer to a pacifist. 2 sides of the same coin.
Going from the prologue to the farmland arc, the time skip not only did change Thorfinn, but also king Canute. Seeing how far a simple but radical decision, in this case him confronting "God" and questioning his beliefs, made him go from a cowardy femboy, to what is considered to be one of, if not The Greatest king in all the History of england.
I think the Farmland Arc is really about confronting your ideals, beliefs & making decisions. Said decisions made Thorfinn go through an undeniable development, but also Canute Himself. Seeing him using violence to cease bloodshed & violence might be conflicting for some, like when he burned a farm (in episode 8 i believe)
Questionable decisions, wonderful ideals, radical methods. I like the duality between Thorfinn & Canute. Saying Vinland Saga wouldn't have been what it is today without Canute would be an understatement. It's like we're following Thorfinn's shift of perspective, while also getting back to Canute once in a while to remind us of what paths could have been chosen by both character.
Hands down my favorite "opposite faces of the same coin" kind of dualities in anime & manga.
Canute (it's Knut in my language so the English version always throws me off lol) is my favorite character as well. His messiah complex is very interesting, his psychology is complicated, and the way his story in VS is intertwined with the historical Canute the Great is fascinating to see.
Canute is definitely underappreciated, but I think the dichotomy between Thorfinn and Canute and how they contrast each other is also not appreciated enough aswell. One believes in egalitarianism and another believes its impossible, one is utilitarian the other is deontological but this isnt the only thing that contrasts them. We see Canute trying to control the waves on the coast in the farmland arc, to prove his claim that even with all the power he has, god is what governs how everything proceeds, and that we were ultimately created to be violent, to discriminate. In contrast to that, Thorfinn in one of the more recent chapters critisizes the prophecy of the norns about ragnarok. The deities are obviously different but the fundamental idea is the same here, one thinks he cannot break from god's power while the other believes in his own will and that while waging war is "a curse" that we are easily abke to succumb to, we can ultimately triumph over it and learn to coexist peacefully. In other words Thorfinn believes he can dictate his own future unlike Canute. This specific thematic distinction is pretty interesting since we as readers know how the events will transpire, we know Thorfinn fails and yet Yukimura chose to have Thorfinn believe he is an agent of free will rather than being deterministic like Canute.
Kind of like Dr. Tenma vs Johan Liebert.
But Johan Liebert is a pure evil nihilist, the exact counter of an egalitarian.
One believes all life is equal and the other believes there's only equality in death
But the parallels between the two characters I'm talking about is much simpler and easier to understand and analyze from the surface
Now I'd like to have your thoughts on Guts vs Griffith, it's certainly not as simple as Tenma vs Johan but i think it's also not in the level of complexity as Thorfinn vs Canute
And wow what a coincidence after stalking your profile, your one video is about Monster, haha
He is a background villain he still there and you know he making moves but we just don’t see it, that why I like it.
Damn you always make solid points, and the video is so well edited 🙌🔥
what makes canute such a good character is that he hates all the atrocities he commits but at the same time he knows that its necessary all in the grand scheme of things
Great video bro.
canute is the literraly greatest character in vinland saga
interesting character development to say the least.
Sorry bro but askeladd is still my favourite in vinland saga
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No Askelad, No Canute
Hello found your channel thanks to SeaTactics and am liking it so far. I am caught up with the anime here (not really a manga reader sorry) but have a thought. Could one say that Canute's choice of poisoning the rival English kings and even his brother is a way to avoid large-scale bloodshed?
Great take on Canute, thanks for your thoughts 💭
I agree with the motivations of Canute, but I the method to achieve that end (peace between humans) thorfinn is clearly making things right. Even if you cant achieve total true love, just see what Thorfinn actions brings in comparison with Canute´s actions. Thorfinn brings dialogue, peace while Canute brings destruction even though he claims that is for a higher good, like if it was making sacrificies to a better future, I just dont see how he becoming more powerful though violence will end with discrimination, wars in the world. For me thats exacly the opossite. To summarise all this Yes I dont get why God placed us in this situation yet Thorfinn´s methods are the right route for me.
This anime has a top tier character development. One of the reasons why it is a rare masterpiece nowadays.
King Canute is my favorite character in Vinland Saga and in fiction overall. I really like the analysis and gave it a like already.
While I do believe his role would be ecstatic even as a villain, I really want him to be one of the anti-hero troupe. I do want to see him parallel Thorfinn as the "peace through whatever means necessary" in comparison to "peace through peace, and violence at last".
Makoto Yukimura still has a chance to use our boy after so much time. Please, do it...
The difference between Canute and Thorfinn is that the method of which they go about their goal of peace. Canute's way is just the one that works, and has worked.
Can you explain to me what is Canutes method of making peace
0:33 Since that Canute been my favourite
In a way he also ate the fruit when priest told him about love
IMO atleast, the priest isn't really thinking deep enough when he was searching for the definition of true love, because if death really is the only case where you're no longer discriminating, wouldn't dying mean you're choosing the world over yourself, which in technicality is still discrimination?
I do not think so. Universal love in the sense Jesus has talked about it means giving up yourself to become one with the divine, your inherently pure soul that connects you to all things. That's why he tells people "the Kingdom of God is within you" and why they should not worry for their own concerns like what will feed and clothe them tomorrow, or why one should turn the other cheek instead of defending himself. Therefore, the only thing that perishes in death is your ego and body, leaving nothing that prevents universal love.
Now, the concept of love is very vague and you might not agree with this definition, but this is what the priest in the story was talking about.
@@eser8167 Christians believe in the resurrection of the body, so there is no such thing as a loss of body and ego after death. Ultimately all of this characterization is based on misinterpretation.
You guys just made my brain hurt more, lmao
@@neonyankunSome strains of Christianity so believe that there will be a partial or total annihilation of the individual upon reunification with God going back into the Middle Ages (and the preceding Neo-/Platonism).
However, the Bible also explicitly warns against this sort of pursuit of man-made earthly utopia. Canute is pretty well in line with the Lucifer-as-Satan concept.
Canute is delusional, you cannot blame god for your own delusions about the world wich in turn results into evil. Canute had an awakening and his ego ran with it. He's fightinf hate with more hate in order to find love? No you will further hate. This is not the right way to act since being loving doesnt require any particular set of actions , but a deep in the moment contextual understanding of the present. He's just tryna becomz god trough his ideas of right and wrong.
This obviously was fictional. While Canute became a ruthless nihilist in the show, in real life he went from conqueror to Christian and became more humble because of it, so far as to refuse to wear his crown, believing that all kings should submit to the king of kings.
Along live the king
Not related to the video, apologies in advance, but you gotta read Usogui bro it’s peak
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I had to subscribe because of this video, that;s what I thought of it.
Don't appreciate the condescension implied by the title.
That said, you were just going through the 101 of his character that both viewers and readers should've picked up on themselves. Which is fine, just don't go about it in a manner that talks down to others.
There are many who just isn't aware of how his character functions, or know a first thing about character writing. So i reckon this was helpful to them, but not to the rest of us who aren't completely oblivious, as the title would suggest.
I did finish the video though, and it's a decent breakdown. And Thorfinn/Canute are indeed very dependent on each other for the story to function as it does. I still prefer Thorfinn's character though. He embodies a special kind of maturity that is rarely seen in stories. Akin to characters such as Aang (TLA) or Finn from Adventure Time.
4:09 *Eve, not Adam.
Great video. May want to check your spelling though. You used the wrong version of “too”.
Real Christians know, the way back to God is through the father, so anytime you reject your father, you will suffer like in Thorfins case… going against your parents is HATEFUL. And thats a fact wether we like it or not. And im not even religious but its been written since before we were born.
You should be bro you may have gotten this before but your close to become a Christian you should consider it
In the Vinland saga prologue I don't think Cunt fully understood Christianity. We must seek the Kingdom of God before our own.
kind of a tragic character thinking about how he’s motivated to create a new paradise by “god-like” and mastermind schemes via using armies and kings as chess pieces, until he himself forsakes his humanity, becomes another all-powerful and tyrannical god of the new world. for him the ends justifies the means, which is in opposition to thorfinns solution for creating a better world, through non violent tactics to minimize suffering.
Askeladd wants to create a king
Canute wants to be a king
Thorfinn wants to create a country where there is no need for a king
i am king the
I am King the 😂
Ragnar and the Priest were “the real” fathers of Canute, their moral values figures and the roots of how he saw the world in his Waifu state. But Askeladd was right when Ragnar was dying, at the same time they were a block or stopper for his growth. As a viking king he couldn’t stand as a innocent saint wannabe, because his life would be worthless and his potential would be lost. And that means Waifu Virgin Canute needed to die in some level, you can’t be king of vikings like that.
But at the same time I feel that sometimes of Ragnar and the priest still lives in Canute’s heart.
‘Waifu state’ 😂
Just to say it, from the Catholic theology, every trail, every trouble God sends to people is there to make the individual more holy, if he/she so choses, also God does not give trails that that person cannot overcome. This can be seen in lives of almost all Saints, who in great difficulty and with great faith and God's mercy, could do things that one would call impossible.
"The Great" -est vinland saga character, get it?
Least chad History enjoyer be like : 🗿
All Hail Knut The Great
I dont think he is the best character in vinland but he has potential condering that his arc is not even close to finishing
Tbh he's my least favorite character. In my opinion his development felt like a complete 180 and didn't make much sense and I just hate how badass they make him look later on. He changes his ways completely like two times, and while I guess he had his reasons it just felt way too sudden for me. I almost stopped watching Vinland Saga because of him (I'm glad I didn't because I ended up loving the anime but man his awakening felt like bs to me)
I was a Christian but I forsaked God as canute did for similar reasons that God kicked us out just because two people are s fruit and then we suffer all these years. then I watched vinland saga not even 24 hours later knowing nothing about canute and I'm like woah 😳
God loves you.
All the suffering in the world is justifiable even if God was solely responsible due to heaven being perfect, & quite easy to achieve. Who are you to think God is unjustified in any way. Everything happens for a reason, & in this world, nothing is forever.
4:00 Oh, my God it just swerves from here. H doesn't understand Christian theology, nor the Christian implications and I doubt even Canut given that's importance.
The author of Vinland Saga simply does not understand Christianity and Canute is ridiculous because of this.
Go read Matthew 5:43-48 and look up Agapism, and then try again.
Not sure what you mean, but Canute's rebellion against God in tandem with his descent into darkness and evil makes sense if God is where all good comes from.
Canute had way better development than Thorfinn. Thorfinn got the ultimate nerf
What are you on about?
@@jimmyinfamous9664 how can you turn the most badass killer into a pacifist, who won’t even fight back when in danger? That’s some hot garbage and unrealistic writing. Which is why all the author does is just time skip him to being a different person
Bruh it isn't that he is against fighting at all and just taking it all like characters like kaneki mom from tokyo Ghoul it's just that he tryes to find a more non violent way while keeping violence as the last choice because hate only spreads more hate
You kill my father I will grow to kill you and than your son will kill me
@@user-dm8cx9oc4r I mean if you prefer Thorfinn killing innocent's then that's your thing. Saying his character development is unrealistic writing is just weird, what show are you watching?
@@jimmyinfamous9664 where did I say he should kill innocents? He doesn’t even kill floki in the manga after floki tried killing him 3 times, that’s the most unrealistic writing ever. He goes from killing in war to not killing people who deserve it. Didn‘t develop at all just became delusional
Canutes a bad character, and a bad person. Vinland would have been better if he died in s1.
He's literally insane, and he's just a baby boy pretending, and he's a selfish self-righteous prick who thinks he's gods gift to this world. He's a horrible character, and deserves death and to be forgotten about.
This story is based on history so he cannot die yet