Safe Cracking with Feynman - Numberphile
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- A chat about some of the ways legendary physicist Richard Feynman cracked safes (filing cabinets) at Los Alamos during the Manhattan Project.
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Discussed by Professor Roger Bowley.
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I wouldn't worry about angry safe enthusiasts. They don't get angry, they tend to keep things locked up inside.
Larry Allen
You beautiful beautiful pun master human being
Eeeeyyyyyyy :D
I simultaneously love and hate that this is the top comment
so punny...lol
They didn't mention that he would tell the various people in charge of this security issue and they would get mad at HIM rather than fix the problem.
That's kind of a common thing with people in charge.
They will get angry at the person pointing out a problem and not the problem itself or the person who caused it initially. I think it has something to do with them now being required to take action, since now that they have been made aware of the issue they are expected to deal with it. Until someone pointed it out, they didn't need to do anything.
Now they need to invest time, money and work because they must fear/expect that their superiors might also hear of the problem and will hold them responsible for not doing anything about it. So they get mad at the messenger for making them work more.
losthor1zon as I recall the only reason he started cracking them was because they wouldn't listen when he reported how bad the security was.
You always shoot the messenger
losthor1zon I live his lectures
@@ziadkhayat7299 - I don't remember exactly. But he enjoyed puzzles, and I think for him this was a diversion. I thought he only pointed out the problem after discovering how many of the safes were not modified from their factory settings.
My favorite story is when he pulled the General's top secret filing cabinet away from the wall and unscrewed the back off of it.
Feynman was not only a super genious (yes, my favoite scientist ever), he was also a notorious prankster. The man lived life to the fullest, all the while.making beautiful contributions to science as well as to his students and colleages. Amazing man. I think this guy sells him a little short. He was a tremendous collaborator and manager of people as his duties on the Manhattan Project reveal, and the young unknown guy on the team almost immeditely drew respect from many of the most brilliant and highly recognized men in their fields (and many famous). That says a lot!
But he was often pranking people who didn't deserve it.. like waiters or other people who were just doing a job serving him. that made him deeply flawed as a human being.
@@stijnvandamme76 He seems like a guy that would make up for it after coming clean (the best part of the prank) - like an extra large tip. I do that.
Agree
Much like you guys at Numberphile, Richard Feynman also had a remarkable talent for simplifying incredibly complex topics and explaining them to people so that even a child could understand them.
I once saw him explain the atomic world in a series of interviews on the BBC and I was totally blown away by how easy and logical he made it all sound. Feynman was an absolute genius in the truest sense of the word. For me, he is the one scientist from history who I wish I knew personally.
The simplest trick he used is that some people didn't change the factory combinations, which were just a few. He started by trying them, and they often worked. Also, when he found some people left the cabinets open, and he could use the information, he advised them not to leave them open. That triggered a memo asking people not to leave the cabinets open when Feynman was around :-D
As I understand it, when a cabinet was ALREADY OPEN he was able to use a "by touch" method of deriving the final two numbers in the combination as he seemingly twiddled the dial casually while chatting in the office - he then wrote down those numbers in a notebook or something, so he had the last two numbers on record!
I could have that wrong slightly!
In combination in most modern schools, you cannot set the combination, but you can easily find the first digit due to a flaw in the lock (apply pressure while rotating dile. Add five to the one number it gets stuck on.) then from there, after determining whether it is even or odd, you know both the second and third numbers are either even or odd (but all even, or all odd.) If there are 40 numbers, that gives you 400 combinations. But the third number doesn't require trying a new number everytime. Just set the first number, your guess for the second, then spin it around trying all numbers for the third one. Now, this is more like 20 different options, but doesn't require seeing the lock before breaking in. I have never used this technique for bad (nor should anyone) but I find it handy when I see that someone has stuck a lock in an unnecessary/obnoxious spot. Or if I find a lock, I can learn the combination then give it to a friend who needs one.
+SwatTeamExit Well, yeah! But for those that do...
Per his autobiography, it is my understanding that Feynman also reduced the permutations by merging the rotation for the third combination with the beginning of the rotation of the first combination of the next number tried.
Since the dials required Right-Left-Right (or Left-Right-Left) turning, the first and third numbers were approached from the same rotation direction.
Also the first number required the dial to rotate over 360 degrees. The third number's rotation was less than 360 degrees. Feynman deduced that if he got the first two numbers correct, ignored the the third number entirely, and began spinning the dial for the first number of the next attempt, the lock would make a distinctive 'Click' as it passed over the correct third number.
So with a lock dial with 100 positions per turn of which he had already reduced to 20 positions per turn, he could cracking the lock in no more than 20 x 20 = 400 attempts (plus one extra spin) without any social engineering required. So at 5 seconds per turn, in a worse case scenario, he could crack the safe in about 2000 seconds (-32 min) and on average, -16 min).
All of that is bollocks if you know how a combination lock operates.
they don't make em like they used to
@@JaakkoF feel free to read his autobiography "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!". Further if you ever had the traditional style MasterLock combination padlock, you can easily emulate the same technique. The dial had enough slop that the 60 digits could be covered by just 12. As a kid, we used to open them in a few minutes.
Close... What he did report doing was retaining the setting for the first two numbers while trying all the possibilities for the third, then nudging the second wheel just slightly to the next number along. This saves time because you don't have to dial the entire combination on each attempt. The same trick works on the position of the first wheel. You can either memorize where you've set the first two wheels, or feel the slight increase in friction as the extra wheel gets picked up by the one behind it. I've tried all this, and it works.
@@AlanCanon2222 yes, that is correct. It's been over 30+ years since I read the autobiography. Thanks for clarifying the details.
they exist - I spent much of the morning reading about them!
I've been reading "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!" Awesome read, and I definitely recommend it to all audiences!
Surely you're joking.
I see what you did there!
I'm not joking and don't call me Shirley
+Ryan Freedman This is actually a wrong reference.
+indefinity I know
Absolutely not! I'll have my tea with both lemon and milk
Amazing how a tiny mechanical flaw can make it that much easier. I remember I used to crack open my friend's lockers at school , leave them in awe. Really all you had to do was if it wasn't cleared you could slowly turn it backwards (so if RLR opens then LRL). If you focused you could feel when the pins collided, which would give away the number for that dial.
I love Feynman. His lectures, his life story, its all very inspiring. A great man, and an inspiring one. Always interesting.
Feynman was an amazing human.
Sweet, time to find rich guys with ancient safes!
Richard Feynman is one of my favorites. In happy he has been getting more recognition lately on CZcams videos so other people can appreciate him.
Agreed! The descriptions of his time in Alamos and the safecracking is my favourite part.
Thanks for posting this video. I am not a scientist,or mathematician, but I became interested in Feynman from seeing him interviewed on programs such as NOVA. I didn't realize that an uncle of mine taught him in school, until after both Feynman in my uncle, Abram Bader, had died.
"Richard Feynman, king of physics, and my heart." - Hank Green
(and i totally agree)
"I never commit to memory anything that can easily be looked up in a book" - Albert Einstein
He would practically have Alzheimer's today with the internet..
Loved reading the books about Feynman and watching interviews with him and his lectures. And look at that face, you can just see the mischief lurking in there.
Love that you used those pots to demonstrate turning the dials on this video. Very simple substitution for a dial and they just look good.
This is my favourite sixty symbol scientist. He is the most articulate and efficient of all the sixty symbol profs. Please do videos with him more often
"I'm having fun" - precisely why you're my biggest inspiration!
One of the most intereseting videos on the Numberphile channel!
This episode was so good.
Happy belated birthday Professor Bowley!
On my second ship in the Navy, my office was a classified materials vault. Whenever I went in to do some work, I would lock the door behind me both for privacy and to prevent anyone from doing Feynman's "Open safe" trick.
If you enjoy stuff like this(bypassing security) you will almost certainly like the lecture on CZcams called "I'll Let Myself In: Tactics of Physical Pen Testers".
I should probably warn everyone how unsettling it is that seemingly secure things are quite often not secure at all. Watch at your own risk of anxiety.
I have now - so few people actually go into the description it seems!!!
Finally a new video with Prof. Roger Bowley. He's my biggest inspiration in Sixty Symbols!
read about this in Richard Feynman's autobiography, hilarious anecdotes about lock-breaking he talks about. Ah gota love Feynman!!
Thanks for making such great videos Brady!
Happy birthday professor Bowley!
I was just thinking yesterday "we haven't been seeing enough of Professor Bowley lately." Good timing.
There is a CD of an entertaining talk ("Los Alamos from Below") that Feynman gave about his time at Los Alamos. I got it with the book "Classic Feynman." It goes through his whole story and ends with some safecracking stories. I would recommend both the book and the talk.
Feynman was a bigger showman than he was a scientist. And he was one of the best scientists the 20th century had seen.
Feynman may not have been my favourite scientist before, but he sure as hell is now! That's awesome!
Thanks for doing this video, was reading the book and now I understood some details of his story.
I have many videos on the go - Zeno is coming!
Gets a a bit boring if you always know what is coming next, doesn't it!? ;)
Big fan of Feynman, thanks for that Brady! Appreciate it
I was just reading Feynman's book "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman", and just finished the chapter where he was describing his passion for safe-breaking. I put the book aside and entered my CZcams account, and lo and behold - a new numberphile's video about.. now, what's the odds for that? :)
Amazing book by the way, highly recommended to anyone who would like to have a glimpse into the mind of this fascinating man.
Cool concept. Richard Feynman was such a cool guy. Who knew safes could be so interesting lol
This was one of my favorite chapters from Feynman's autobiography.
I was jumping with delight when I saw the thumbnail + title for this video!
Feynman's such a mischievous genius :d
I read his autobiography. The safe-cracking parts was a fascinating read.
Brady is teasing us so we keep coming back for more :)
I have never been able to work these locks very well , and I have lived in USA for 15 years ,
they are everywhere . I now feel more confident in tackling them again , without the bolt cutter or grinder
Happy birthday!!!
It's in that Feynman book but I can remember what it was. It did something like the bolt moved if it was already open on the last digit and then you dialed the previous digit.
i read this story in "surely you're joking My Feynman". Great book, great story and a great man!
Yet another reason to idolize Feynman. The guy is my hero.
I wish i could thumbs this up a million times.
It is such a good book!
OMG! my birthday is on the 21/4 too! Happy birthday Professor Bowley.
Happy birthday!
Ese Feynman era un loquillo...
Same birthday as him... so honored
Happy birthday!
Amazing video!
happy birthday!
Love these auto-biography episodes.
William Tutte has a really interesting story that relates to cryptography and WWII.
Richard Feynman is one of my heroes😌
my father had a safe in his office, I taught myself how to crack it by turning the dial and feeling and listening for a slight detent then reverse, it worked on those old ww2 era safes.
Several years back I managed to crack an inexpensive Sentry safe just by starting somewhere in the middle and brute forcing every combo in increments of 4 or 5, just like described here. I reasoned that the last number didn't really matter because I could just repeatedly yank on the handle while rapidly turning the dial. This means I really only had to try about 20^2 permutations max (and in practice, only about two-thirds that number). It only took about 10 minutes to get it open.
Duh-doy! :P
And Feynman, being the ultimate simplifier in physics, (Feynman diagrams are a beautiful way of representing sub-atomic particles), his ability to distill problems down to it's simplest concepts, really allowed him to achieve much. He and Einstein had the same gift of seeing complex things in simple ways.
Everyone should read Feynman's books, and a few of his biographies written by others, his life was eventful, and the love story with his wife made me shed tears
I read "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman", it had stories about his life and growing up. It also included Los Alamos and the safe-cracking business; the way he wrote it was simply hilarious. I recommend it. :)
I just finished all Numberphile videos! Now I'm officially a nerd!
Brilliant!
If the first position in the combination is 20, the dial could _also_ be set to 18, 19, 21 or 22 . . . and thus, the _Uncertainty Principal_ first began to unfold in Feynman's mind. hahaha
Except that the Uncertainty Principle had already been well established by the time the Manhattan Project began. Epic fail.
It wasn't already established in *Feynman's* mind. The only fail here is your ego. Maybe you should read the sentence again, or learn more English.
I realized the construction tolerances on padlocks when I was assigned a locker in middle school. That, by far, is the main problem with padlocks and safes.
Story told in more detail in the book, "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman."
He also tweaked a pompous colonel in Oak Ridge who claimed to have the most secure safe in the country; it turned out to be a large armored cabinet with the same Mosler lock on it. He could get the contents out of any key-locked desk by getting under it and and reaching into drawers that were closed and locked from the outside. He was the bane of the security people at Los Alamos.
love prof. bowley
"By fiddling with his own safe he learned that when a door was open he could find the last number of a combination by turning the dial and feeling when the bolt came down. Given some time, he could find the second number that way, too. He made a habit of absently leaning against his colleagues' safes when he visited their offices, twirling the dials like the perpetual fidgeter he was, and thus built up a master list of partial combinations."
Liking Feynman more and more every day :D
That's a thousand combinations at most, you madman!
Feynman was such a great man
Oh he is awesome!!
Happy birthday to professor Roger bowley =)
Geeky or not, I LOVE this numbrphile series. They’ve hit on really nice programmed format, imho!
Cool video!
The logic behind the US format of dates is just from how we say the actual date over here. Is spoken language, in the US, we say "September 18, 2005" instead of "The 18th of September, 2005" so it just makes perfect sense to us over here.
The locker combinations today when they are opened, show you the last digit. Even if you don't know the last you can save time and do them in about 10 minutes by knowing the internal wheels. eg: spin + to 20, around once and - to 15, then + to 25 but then you can just do 30,35,40,45,50,55,00,05,10 all in a few seconds without doing the 1'st 2 again. Then set only the 2'nd wheel by - to 10. I used to open them driving home, just in the time stopped at red lights.
thanks , quite correct , and simple as it goes from most to least significant .
However , I like when dealing with the present date , I prefer dd/mm/yyyy , mainly because Im sure what year it is , I can guess at month , but for the date I got no idea , so the day becomes the most of concern .
Although if in yyyy/mm/dd then I could smudge the days , and not worry so much about it
When I was 12, I figured out how a luggage combination lock worked. I had a blast messing up peoples combination locks
I do work which require me handling a lot of locks and keys (many buildings, many employees both permanent and temporary).
Every time I encounter a new lock system I like to spend some down time figuring out how it works. Comes in handy and I got a bit of a reputation at this point at work for being able to get most things open if needed, to the point where they call me in instead of calling in a locksmith.
Most of the time I just use a screwdriver/piece of plastic/whatever to force open things or unscrew something and it will open, most locks weakest points are the surroundings they are placed in.
One of my favourite stories was when he was at MIT (or maybe Princeton). External lecturers would come in to give seminars and he used to sit in like all the other students ... except he would break into the lecture hall before and read the lecturers notes and more importantly, the conclusion. Then at the end of the seminar, just before the guest speaker summed up, Feynman would raise his hand and say things like:
"But doesn't that mean we can conclude ... X" As if he figured it out right then.
Very interesting !
Hi our excellent subtitles have always been done by a third party - I have no control over when they are done or added!
this was the first numberphile I saw years ago
we are the same people
I loved reading this story in "the pleasure of finding things out"
That's such a fantastically beautiful title
If you want to know more about how he knew two of the knobs combinations just by studying an open safe, because it's not covered in detail in this video from what I can see, I recommend the book/audio-book "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman" where this is actually taken from. Let me add some motivation by telling you that it's a really good read/listen!
And with the locks in use in that facility, the final turn generated a pop and stopped the dial.. so if you went 9, then 13, then back to 5, on your way to the five, from the 13, you'd feel the pop and would be hard-pressed to go beyond it...
So all you need are the first two numbers really -- then turning back the lock would "give" you the last one.
Funny, I just finished reading 'Surely You're Joking, Mr Feynman' a couple days ago. I found it excellent, myself.
true, we kind of Anglicised it there, didn't we!?
Hence, the warnings in places that handle sensitive information: "Don't dummy-lock it, lock it, dummy!". When leaving their office, people would often just turn the dial away from the last number of the combination, so the safe would not open, but they could get it open again just by moving back to the last number, without having to go through the whole combination. This was referred to as "dummy locking". The problem was that this allowed someone else to easily get it open by applying a little pressure to the latch while turning the dial.
I did that in high school. My friend's lock had a ±5 margin on the mechanism. A few minutes at a time over weeks, and one day I opened his locker for him. Good times.
please do more videos with Prof. Bowley :)
Feynman was so good, he was out hacking passwords before they were passwords
Feynman's safe cracking technique is a glimpse into his genius.
Richard Feynman was arguably the most patient man in history