The Metaphysical Philosophy of Arthur Schopenhauer with Bernardo Kastrup
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- Bernardo Kastrup, PhD, is a computer scientist, who has recently completed a second doctoral degree in philosophy. He is author of Rationalist Spirituality, Why Materialism is Baloney, Dreamed Up Reality, Meaning in Absurdity, Brief Peeks Beyond, More Than Allegory, The Idea of the World, and Decoding Schopenhauer's Metaphysics. He has published several papers on Scientific American's website arguing for metaphysical idealism. His website is www.bernardoka....
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Here he explains that, 200 years ago, Arthur Schopenhauer was independently articulating a philosophy very similar to that of both Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta. He was a friend of Goethe and was responding to the arguments of Kant and Hegel. Kastrup argues that Schopenhauer's metaphysics (incidentally, very similar to his own) can resolve the "hard problem" of consciousness and the paradoxes of quantum mechanics.
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(Recorded on May 20, 2020)
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Schopenhauer has always been my touchstone for understanding reality. His ontology takes into account chaos and seeming contradictions with a unifying simplicity I have only felt from Zen buddhism, Stoicism, and the Vedas. He was one of the first to speak of the significance of eastern thought in western idealism, and understood it intuitively as the Will to Life. Great exposition. Thank you!!!
This is so well said. I didn't know these things. To me, Schopenhauer is a tonic, a purgative Rx for the exhausting drive toward physical positivism of our time. But silence & the vast night sky are even more useful.
Yes!!! Me too. The only book I did not read is his dissertation (on the fourfould roots of causation or something like that).
Love to you
Ive known about Bernardo Kastrup since 2016 I think, and I have always considered him one of the greatest thinkers of our time, but now that he has taken the work of Schopenhauer, we finally have a philosopher that will continue the great legacy of the German philosopher. Kastrup will go into history as one of the greatest philosophers of the 21sth. century.
I agree, I am not a philosopher (rather an artist) but from my experience and interest in philosophy/religion/spirituality my whole life I would say Bernardo is the most important philosopher of our time, you cannot find ideas deeper than his, and he is not saying anything new by the way, he is just a modern version of Schopenhauer + Jung + Plato.
Loved the interview! Just a quick correction: when Bernardo says Schopenhauer is one of the "monsters" of philosophy he means giant. Monster used as a slang in our native tongue (Brazilian Portuguese) has a very positive connotation, which is not the case in English. We say for instance that someone is a monster in business/philosophy/bodybuilding/meditation, etc. with admiration, meaning someone who distinguishes himself.
Nicely agree. Bernardo has the loveliest accent. It’s so clear to understand for me as a non English speaker. I could listen hours to him.
@@SchibbiSchibbi
Bernardo’s voice and “accent” is indistinguishable from my Colombian friend.
He does not sound Brazilian.
@@herrweiss2580no claim about a Brazilian accent was made.
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You are right!
Not by me or SchibbiSchibbi.
I had very similar feeling by studying Schopenhauer. in early 90. It shocked me and all I found in university and book was an incredible amount of preconceptions and deliberate misconsideration of his genius. Terrible true. Thx Bernardo for this work.
Most people encounter philosophers via popular books, because philosophers tend to be hard to read.
I don't know if this is the first time I have listened to this fantastic interview or not. I've listened to many Mishlove Kastrup interviews. But this one was so clear, so enlightening, so self-consistent, so revealing of a useful way to view the world.
Maybe some how I am a different person listening.
I know it's been 3 years, but thanks to both of you for this beautiful conversation.
It's worth bearing in mind, I think, that this metaphysics is still quite different to, say, Advaita Vedanta, or Mahayana Buddhism (or any of the other historical variants of the philosophia perennis); that Dr Kastrup's position, though it does bear a relationship to these, does not really belong to the same group. Perhaps the most accurate moniker for Kastrup's philosophy is simply "Schopenhauerianism" (or "Schopenhaurian idealism"). A key difference between Schopenahuer and Advaita Vedanta, say, is that for Schopenhauer (and so for Kastrup) the universal or cosmic consciousness, the Self or Atma, is not sat-chit-ananda, Being-Consciousness-Bliss (an infinite plenitude of love, beauty, and joy), but rather a blind, instictual Will, which is at an even lower level of awareness than human egoic consciousness. This is a very big difference indeed! [Edit: That said, I can't stress how utterly delighted I am to have discovered Kastrup's much-needed work, and how awed and impressed - and inspired and grateful. Bravo, Bernardo!]
What Schopenhauer did, was to connect his philosophical thought to the religious views in the east. Of course, I don't think he ever intended to say that his philosophy was literally Hinduism. He also admires christianity for its idea about the ascetic monk, original sin and salvation of sins through grace. That is why I think what you say here is so important, because many think "Schopenhauer is just western buddhism or hinduism", when the truth is, as you. say here, that they are different.
@@EwingAmaterasu very little eastern thought was available to Schopenhauer, who did not know Sanskrit or Pali etc. He relied on translations such as the first translations of texts such as the Upanishads and Bhagavadgita, which were themselves of doubtful quality and in the case of the BG their significance overstated by orientalists in Germany and Britain. What his sources were for Buddhism, I do not know, but imo it does a disservice to Buddhist thought to call Schopenhauer 'western Buddhism' - (or indeed to imagine Buddhism is some kind of 'version of the perennial philosophy'). I've enjoyed reading what I've read of Schopenhauer but if there's much Buddhist thought there it's as if viewed through a very muddy cracked window of a rather cramped and airless cell.
@@angusgus123 I would say they are just different philosophies. Schopenhauer came up with his ideas by following Kant and Plato, and later found that Buddhism had commonalities with him. Personally, I think Schopenhauers philosophy is superior to that of the Buddha.
@@angusgus123the research of Dr Urs App in this area is irreplaceable.
You cant think your way into good living but you can live your way into good thinking. I learned that 26yrs ago when I started my journey of recovery from drugs and booze. My will was no will at all instead it was willfulness and defiance. Recovering one's will starts out with making new habits to replace bad ones such as working the 12steps and going to AA meetings every day if possible, then you share your experience strength and hope with another suffering person so that they become inspired to use their will for the very first time just like you did. Will and Spirit is Life which is metaphysical consubstantiation.
You have walked the path, my friend. Cherish the pain that awakened you... We all have to go through pain to truly understand, sadly.
There are certainly mind traps as well. I have found that if I start thinking along certain lines, I can stop those lines of thought and try and avoid going down them or stop them. Meditation is good training for this.
Mishlove is one of the best interviewers I've seen in a long time.
Succinct, upbeat, and knowledgeable. You're the man
'Why Materialism is Baloney' is the best book ever.
I really enjoyed the world as will and respresentation even more. 😅
What a combo! Bernardo, Jeffrey & Shopenhauer!
Fabulous conversation, Kastrup really makes Schopenhauer's metaphysics a lot easier to understand, and prompts rereading.
wow, this was one of the best interviews on this channel
Jeffrey Mishlove the man with the smiling eyes. I bet even when he’s angry (if it ever happens) his eyes are still smiling.
That botox right there.
🙂 eyes.
Wah wah and kant and hegel, his name and the will to represent them, that's old
What a wonderful, wonderful interview. Thank you so much for all of your work and, especially, for having Dr. Kastrup on your show.
His short book requires multiple readings. I had to read it with a pencil in hand each time to discover the meanings of meta consciousness, self reflection snd conscious meta cognition, but worth it. His Primative is Universal Consciousness and built from there. Good Book.
I spotted Philip K. Dicks Exegesis on the book shelf. A very unique work.
What more do i need to know about him??
You have good eyes.
Thank you very much for this wonderful interview. Excellent interviewer, brilliant interviewee
Jung, in a way, was hugely about integrating the abstract. He understood that the negative aspects of the self (anima/animus, shadow self) required understanding correctly. As well this was the key to the unconscious and thus the key to positive thought and command over will and perception.
‘The brain is the image of a thought.’ is an opaque, indecipherable sentence for me.
little late, i think he means as in lighting is the image of electricity
@@Jeff05Hardy Well said. And tears are the image of sadness.
@@AStoicMaster i like yours better
Always love this guys as a guest
Bernardo Kastrup, you are a master at your philosophy and the one connected perceptual perspective. I understand your desire to favor the one point, the view beyond metacognition which continues to define definition and separates by particular constructs. The idea that one whole connects and sees all is enticing and I'm looking forward to learning more :)
Superb interview....crisp and illuminating
As I see it Plato, Shankara and Schopenhauer all share a similar realization though differently expressed due to different cultures and the different times.
LOL, I read that as 'Plato, Shakira and Schopenhauer' first time through.
You are correct
Wow. Here I am with a bachelor’s in philosophy and I never knew shat Schopenhauer was talking about. Love this.
Thank you Jeff and Bernardo for this enlightening dialogue for bringing our ancestry to light. Namaste
I discovered Schopenhauer yesterday and many of his realizations resonate a lot with the realizations I had in a period of my life where I had countless experiences with several different psychedelics. In one of them with I had a complete dissolution of my ego and became infinite both in all spacial dimensions but also in the temporal directions: past, present and future. I felt with Schopenhauer means by the "will" that permeates everything and I remember trying to explain to people how I thought that rocks had consciousness (but not thinking) only to have them think I was crazy or stupid, so I shut up.
I've been watching some videos about him and he's described as a pessimist but his philosophy doesn't strike me as such, I think I know exactly what he's talking about and it doesn't seem a negative at all, it looks like he's someone who's misunderstood because what he's trying to explain is complicated, and hence the repetition. This video just confirmed that and I'm eager to read his work.
In Vedantin terms, Bernardo would be an acharia, writing commentary to elucidate the philosophy - like Shankaracharia did for the Upanishads.
Bernardo is the most important philosopher of our time.
Schopenhauer's philosophy is so much close to Advaita Vedanta! Very interesting conversation! Thanks!ॐ ॐ ❤
Excellent! At least someone who knows well the depth of the man himself.Thanks very much.
Life long Schopenhauer reader I love it! Thank you so much.
What wasn't mentioned in this interview was that through his metaphysical idealism of nature, he was interpreted as a determinist because he said that thought or action was not a choice of the individual but an instinctual action of a larger predetermined whole. And to think our thoughts were ours was the illusion of the one universal eye, which in Buddhism is the awakening to the determinism of all of nature through Karma of desire of matter or Mara as it was called in Pali. and to the Buddha to realize this as being all phenomena,'s nature was to free us of the suffering of individualism. All appearances of sensations and form as being one flowing blissful existence of emptiness and void singularly giving all existence its being as samsara or constant change to the true ultimate reality as non time or space with no desire or will as Nirvana only. The infinite void of being and non being.
In the introduction to The World as Will and Representation, Schopenhauer prescribes three pre-requisites to comprehensive understanding of his philosophy: Plato, Kant and the Upanishads. So, I am puzzled by Bernardo's repeated assertion that Schopenhauer independently arrived at the same conclusions as the Advaita Vedanta of some 2000 years before with a purely Western Ethos. I have a huge amount of respect for Bernardo and I am trying to figure out where I am wrong. Would welcome someone showing me my error.
yeeees he is back! i was beginning to wonder! i love the bernardo! i am currently reading his book "why materialism is baloney" and i thought about him the other day when i watched elon musk on joe rogan because elon was talking materialist view on consciousness and i thought to myself "elon needs to read kastrup!" i might actually head on over there right now and put it in the comment section.
Wonderful interview and insights that really helps me stay grounded, thank you Jeffrey. It sort of harks back to you interview with U.G. Krishnamurti more than 35 years back! UG seemed to echo much of what Schopenhauer talked and wrote about, and was also seen as pessimistic or nihilistic.
Jeffrey, could you share what you felt about the UG interview? What thoughts or feelings were you left with after speaking to him? Would love to hear your recollection of that interview, since UG was a figure I look up to. Thank you for all the work you do!
Except there is a big difference. UG actually had a realization of the totality of consciousness, wherein Kastrup's is intellectual. The difference has to do with the dissolution of the sense of "I," or the egoic self, as the center from which all is experienced.
I was thinking this exact question...
@@skyerscape8454 haha cool!
Dukkha is the Pali word that gets loosely translated as suffering is perhaps more literally described as a wagon wheel that doesn't fit well on the hub; it functions but it's not quite right. As such scholars prefer something like unsatisfactory. The reason we suffer is because we cling to impermanent experience from the perspective of a permanent self-existent entity.
I believe if we all had An all seeing eye , We could visually fill in the gaps between cause and effect; Then the illusion or misinterpretation of time would end
Interesting thought.
So glad that Schopenhauer is making a come back after a century of Hegelian nonsense.
I feel like a big problem with old thinkers about the subject of reason is that they had blind spots when it came to recognizing post hoc rationalization and other issues. Perhaps even someone like Schopenhauer is not pessimistic enough about how hard it is to be rational in thinking.
your guests are so committed to the search for truth and to openmindedness.. And coming at truth from each of the 360 degrees, in your programs..But sometime you should discuss how much of such intellectual fervour is still being fostered in the present times, ..considering that most of your guests are quite mature in age...
Bernado Kastrup is quite young.
@@SC-tl3px yes. i noticed. But most of his other guests seem to have started their enquiries into truth in the 60s and 70s...hence the question. so much has changed between then and now. ...not that I believe it is no longer happenin but still the question matters...
A part two to this would be great, please make it happen Jeff.
Edit : Typed too soon :)
Great conversation, thanks Jeff for all your good work.
I would like to see a debate between B. Kastrup and D. Dennett :)
Dennett's first point would be that he isn't conscious in any meaningful sense. The debate would then be between one conscious and one unconscious philosopher. Which is about as meta as intellectual discourse can get.
Brilliant. Thanks for bringing up to date Schopenhauer's ideas! The part about mineral-plant-animal-human resonates perfectly with Arthur M. Young's work (reaching back to Leibniz, Bruno Plotinus etc) only that for Arthur Young's grand system Light plays a key and fundamental role. What is the role of Light for Schopenhauer? I would be even more grateful if you could share some information on this issue too...
Wow that was great! Love his personality and a very intelligent person. Thank you Jeffrey.
This by far! in my opinion,out of the hundreds of videos here...is the clearest and Best !
Great guest. Bernardo Kastrup is a very thoughtful person. I would add that we have indeed had many people in the West (though perhaps a bit later than Schopenhauer) who have extolled or embodied the so-called nondual, Vedantic philosophy, even though they didn't relate it to Vedanta. Examples are Joseph Campbell, Henry David Thoreau, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Joseph Goldstein, Maurice Frydman, Douglas Harding, and others. And there have always been people, though perhaps not of notoriety. I am not including more recent figures, some of whom seem to just be parroting what they have read. Still, there is a big difference between intellectually understanding the totality of consciousness versus having a realization of it.
Kastrup speaks of the problem of, if we are one singular consciousness, why don't we see what someone else is seeing or why don't we know what they are thinking. However, if you realize what is going on, this is rather simple to answer. We DO know what everyone is thinking and what they are experiencing, seeing, feeling, and so on. We do as consciousness. But to ask this question is to ask a question from the point of view of the individualistic self, which is self-limiting. Consciousness knows itself through the body, but the paradox is that if it perceives the body to be its essence then it fails to know itself as the wholeness.
@19:18... Jeff... you say the intellect can not pull us out of depression...
my positive thinking has not allowed me to know what depression is... my older sister said to me, when visiting with our mum, few years back, don't you ever get depressed... I remember my reply was I don't know what it is to be depressed... can you tell me what it is... mum steps into the conversation and says... you don't want to know... lol
when as a team we are stuck half way up that mountain, fighting for that next step, when we are so so cold, so ready to give in, it is at this point, one steps forward with a positive attitude, this gives those who have given in, given into the mite of the beast, new "energy" immediately, sorrow becomes joy and from this joy comes true "passion".
Thx... great chat...
he says... depression, envy, existential despair... can not be cured by positive thinking or we would not have the epidemic... he needs to look a little deeper...
because... "depression, envy, existential despair..." is taught to all children in the form of exams... from the age of 5... it is put onto people long before they become adults.
Stayed up late to watch this one. Well worth it.
Flow is your birthright
Will pays the toll
Drink deeply of insights
From the well of your soul
And remember-
In the Now, all is well; All you thirst for is “known”
Redemption awaits you wherever Flow roams
For no route’s absolute; no path fixed in stone
From “Flow’s Manifesto”
partaking in the same will....this convergence is brilliant
Sanatanisam is coming into existence .
"From every sentence
deep original and
sublime thoughts arise,
and a high and holy and
earnest spirit pervades
the whole. In the whole
world there is no study
so beneficial and so
elevating as that of the
Upanishads... They are
destined sooner or later
to become the faith w
the people".
Schopenhauer found the Upanishads
compelling because of their
intellectual contribution in
distinguishing appearance from the
absolute reality and in distinguishing
the higher knowledge that reveals the
absolute truth from the lower
knowledge that seems to be revealing
truth about the material world.
What a rich conversation ❤
Schopenhauer, Krishamruti and now Bernardo Kastrup. There is hope for us yet.
Thanks for the excellent interview
the one eye of the world that looks out of every living creature...
DMT WILL CONFIRM THAT. The one consciousness expressing itself in the many.
Great interview!
My experience and understanding of separation is that when perception is contracted or focussed to a point, we and all objects are sensed as isolated entities. When perception "lets go" separation drops, there is only one, " everything is me".
We don't experience this because force of habit, conditioning, locks us into contracted perception - our world, our science, our rationality. We have to retrain to let go.
Beautiful Interview! Schopenhauer has influenced Carl Jung. The archetype is an image of instinct and there are as many archetypes as the stars in the night sky, Jung said.
Great talk thank you so much Bonardo please do an audible read of your book...🦋🕊
Thank you Jeffree looking forward to the next talk hope to see you in Albuquerque soon
"Newspapers are the second hand of history. This hand, however, is usually not only of inferior metal to the other hands, it also seldom works properly." - Arthur Schopenhauer
Arthur Schopenhauer would be protesting the lockdowns were he alive today. He thought the news media was a joke. He also thought that people lacked critical thinking skills, so they rarely understand what they read. The news media today wants us to think that questioning their narrative is a partisan issue when it's not.
Full quote:
“Newspapers are the second hand [of the clock] of history. This hand, however, is usually not only of inferior metal to the other two hands, it also seldom works properly. The so-called “leading articles" in them are the chorus to the drama of current events. Exaggeration in every sense Is as essential to newspaper writing as it is to the writing of plays; for the point is to make as much as possible of every occurrence. So that all newspaper writers are, for the sake of their trade, alarmists: this is their way of making themselves interesting. What they really do, however, is resemble little dogs who, as soon as anything whatever moves, start up a loud barking. It is necessary, therefore, not to pay too much attention to their alarms, and to realize in general that the newspaper is a magnifying glass, and this only at best: for very often it is no more than a shadow-play on a wall.” - Arthur Schopenhauer
I'm german, and i can confirm: "Bewusstsein" means raw consciousness and meta-concious. It depends on what you lay the emphasis on. Sometimes refering to raw awakeness, sometimes to describe meta-cognition."Bewusstsein" more or less means raw consciousness and "BEWUSSTsein" more or less means meta-concious. Self-awareness is "Selbstbewusstsein" - self=selbst. "sein" means "beeing" or "to be". If you are doing something on autopilot, you are "Unbewusst". "Un" is the negation. If you are unconscious you are "Bewusstlos". "los" meaning "without". You can see how "bewusst" means one thing one time, and another thing the other time in that example. So you can see, how we use the word with different meaning. If you are "bewusst" of something it means you know about it. "Sich seiner selbst bewusst sein" means "to be aware of oneself" meaning you know how you are seen from others and you know what you want to have or do. If you are very "Selbstbewusst" then it often means you know what you want and you don't fear the opinions of others"
Great talk, looking forward to the quantum physics one
My favorite philosopher. As for his behavior I remember him distinguishing between that and theory; he invited soldiers to shoot people from his balcony too. For me, the supreme importance of Schopenhauer is that he correctly identified the transcendental goal of the major religions as a pessimistic, static, negative nothingness; whereas, the major religions often disguise that fact semantically, poetically and the western new age movement even turns eastern religions into optimistic nonsense. Religion is nihilism plain and simple, Nietzsche understood this too after reading Schopenhauer.
Superb interview!
Absolutely great! I see that Schopenhauer's philosophy is very similar to J Krishnamurti's.
In the Notes section of the book, Bernardo clearly shows that Sc's Will is the same as "Consciousness"; but then Sc. should not have used the word Will. Somebody might mistake that as implying some type of Personal Creator behind the Will. Sc. could have benefited from having a knowledge of Buddhism and the Advaita Vedanta of Shankara. The Upanishads became more widely known in Europe in the late 19-th century.
Excellent, Thank you for all your interviews
I very much enjoyed this. Please do more videos on more philosophers!
Bravo!!! To all 3 of you
20:00 🎯 intellect/instinct/depression
I think that incorporating the work on semiotics as put forward by Charles Sanders Peirce could be instructive in laying out the field of representation Icon, Index and Symbol as examples.
Thank you.
Dr. DONALD HOFFMAN, Dr Rupert Sheldrake and Dr. Bernardo Kastrup have incredible insight, just genius.
I love when Jeffrey and Bernardo chat!
Great! I can resonate with this!
Definitely my favorite western philosopher.
I wonder at what point Schopenhauer came across Vedanta ??? Having been exposed to eastern philosophy - particularly Advaita Vedanta - I only understand Schopenhauer by substituting the word Will for Self ( apologies to our English writer Will Self ). What does Schopenhauer mean by the word Will ? Is there some nuance in the German language . For me Will =Self .
ja you could but consider time is an illusion ( the biggest of all: no one can escape and if i remember correctly he did say that in some form somewhere...
thanks alot, sure appreciate this!
Are there other adjectives other than “Will” to describe the phenomenon? I can’t get a feel for the word “will”. Could it be substituted for say, Consiousness, The Ground of Being, The Tao? Are these terms analogous to “The Will”?
Hmmm. It seems to me that will implies purpose, which is a concept formed by the egoic sense of self. I agree that consciousness is a better word.
It's a noun, not an adjective. The adjectival forms would be wilful, willing, willed etc. It is a translation of "Wille" in German which means much the same as "will" in English.
Cognitive overlay (meta ignition?) of states of depression and anxiety translate as becoming depressed about being depressed or anxious about being anxious. That’s not cognitive science addresses (it should but it doesn’t go near that rabbit hole unfortunately) Instead it tells people to change the way they think in terms of correcting so-called cognitive distortions which if one looks closely at them are a rich source of access to creative responses to suffering and not distortions. Suffering compels one to look for the jewel in the shit (this is not positivism) so one can work it creatively. Jung said depression compels inward looking.
29:05 stones have passions...well does he really said that? Where exactly doc?
Can any one find this quote, “The Universe is a dream dreamed by a single dreamer where all the dream characters dream too." Joseph Campbell says it Schopenhauer's. I can't find it anywhere, Just read Transcenent Speculations on the Fate of the Individual. Translated by David Irvine 1913. I was told I'd find it there, it's not.
the sufis talk so much about this unspoken, unacknowledged pull to know oneself
@@SlackKeyPaddy nothing to do with life and death dichotomy. They talk about the search for the essential self being hidden underneath all pursuits of human spirit. Typically, they expound it through romantic stories of star crossed lovers
Bernardo, if the will (which is consciousness) is primitive how did it come up with all the necessary cosmological constants????? BTW. JUST DARN GOOD INTERVIEW.... Danke
I believe Kastrup is a scientific anti-realist, so "cosmological constants" are purely descriptive. The universe "behaves as if" but they are not written like a computer program.
the giant as emotion and the tiny lighthouse on top as the intellect is like the Vedantic analogy of the elephant and the mahoot. The mahoot can only control the elephant by using habit and training. Otherwise, it runs amok and the mahoot can't stop it.
I consider Bernardo a great thinker of philosophical dimensions of the human knowledge... but it is interesting to note that, in the same line that schopenhauer had severe limitations exemplified by his mysogynist attitudes, I learned that bernardo has severe limitations in his knowledge of geopolitical aspects of the world; We really have to be humble with respect to our capacities. It seems that bernardo does not have the perception that he knows nothing about geopolitics, similarly to the academic "experts" on schopenhauer that he critisizes during the interview. This is the "drama" of our human condition... we don´t know that we don´t know key aspects of knowledge.
That blind will was personified as Yaldabaoth. Sophia picked up on this immediately.
If feelings are not representation then they most assuredly do not transcend space. I feel anxiety in my chest. I feel anger in my throat. Etc.
IMO the telos of Nature at its core is anything that increases order. It's the antithesis of entropy and provides the necessary balance to entropy. Order emerges out of disorder by chance but once sufficient order is created it develops its own momentum perhaps even a kind of Will.
Jeffrey, do you have a view on Bernardo's sympathy and affinity (or the disagreements and rejection) for the work of Tom Campbells' work on the nature of consciousness? He does seem to subscribe to the work of Don Hoffman, whom he mentions in his discussions, but I never heard him referring to Tom's work.
I think the missing piece from the idea that the eye of the universe is the fundamental basis of reality given no perceptual stimuli is memories and data.
But perhaps I could experience all memories and all data if I was in perfect isolation 🤷♀️
Ken Wilber's Integral work first opened me up to look into the German idealists. Wilber chose Schelling as representative of being the closest to his own ideas, but to me the differences between them aren't as important as the similarities, and they all seem to be grasping at a more complete understanding of a larger purposeful universe compared with that provided by reductionist materialism.
Doesn't the disolvment of personal identity reduce pain AND pleasure in equal amounts?
Superb content, BK is awesome.
I always loved Schopenhauer, but lately I can't take his 'pessimism' seriously. Its good to be reminded
how much he said that was influential; on Freud's concept of the unconscious, for example.
But surely Schopenhauer causes unnecessary confusion by using the term 'Wille', when the 'blind, unconscious energetic striving' is not our individual, decisive, volition, aka 'will-power', but a sub-strata of the world that, like the rest of Nature,
is directed to survival and reproduction above all, an A-moral force that, as Dylan Thomas put it,
"that through the green fuse drives the flower... that drives the water through the rocks, drives my red blood" .
my cat used to fight with its own tail...short on meta-cognition..haha..
I know plenty of humans fighting with themselves too.
Which mysterious species will make the next leap toward a human like consciousness in some unknown amount of time? Weren't we the mystery once upon a time..?
I’m always nonplussed by the lack of Schopenhauer’s popularity given his perspicacious and perspicuous metaphysical system. I’m even more dumbfounded when someone intelligent reads The World as Will and Representation and really misunderstands his fundamental philosophy of Nature. I mean some of the finer ontic points are open for debate, I suppose, but he is so clear and repeats himself so often, it almost takes an effort to misconstrue his basic insights. Personally, I don’t find a problem with calling him a pessimist philosopher; after all, he does think the only escape of suffering comes in brief, unstable lapses of self (via aesthetics or asceticism) and ceaseless striving. And when we die, the illusion of self is dissolved, but The Will, of which our energy is a representation, will go on striving via dissociation for at least as long as this universe exists. So, if correct it’s realistic, not pessimistic, but why split hairs.