Archery FAQ: Instinct - Intuition - Muscle Memory?
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- čas přidán 10. 03. 2019
- Just my answer to this so important question... followed me now since a while, today I sat down and answered it.
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Armin Hirmer
Malta Archery
100 Triq Annibale Preca
Lija LJA 1915
Malta
Ever since I "found" your channel you've been a massive blessing to me, i've learnt so much by looking at you and listening to you! You're such a calm and wise man! This was very enlightening, thank you!
Thank you
Shooting a shotgun at a moving target is a similar experience. Once you start looking at the bead on the end of the barrel, measuring distance and thinking about what you are doing all is lost. In order to hit a clay you need to lock your sight on the target and allow your instinct to take over. Strangely even when target shooting with a pistol or rifle and using sights to aim you instinctively know if your shot is good as you release it. This is the attraction of target sports for me, in that moment you have complete focus on what you are doing yet somehow you feel almost detached from it.
As a Buddhist I completely understand. When I practice archery I seek myself not necessarily the target.
Since we were hunters and gatherers bow and arrow has been with us, in our subconscious minds. Men should harmonize with their inner souls and remember that we are part of nature, wild and free (of labels). Thank you Armin!
Gustavo G. Zamora deep.
Not all peoples invented the bow, the Australian aboriginal would use a spear but without a point because they never discovered metal or the wheel or string I guess.
So ,you average 4 thumbs down ?
Thats not bad at all .
I like to shoot regardless of hitting
Or missing . Its the smile on my face that matters .
Cheers
Armin, I review this Video & Share this video every month. I do think this video is the most important Archery ever created. Full Stop!!! This video should be viewed by everyone who views an Archery video around the World. My Father is getting stronger and better hand eye precision with & more important, every day life. He had to stop Rifle Shooting in precision long range shooting when holding the rifle standing because of the Shaking due to Parkinson's. Because of that disease he was very depressed and his health was in decline. But since I had made 2 bows. He started shooting every other day until his body adapted to the bow. Now he shoots 2 times a day every day. Wow what a change. Thanks for this huge gift of making these video's that put the Spark back in His eye's. Soon to join the classes. Still working on the Boss to slap a crowbar into her money purse. Ok, She's the one In charge of the Budget, (because it's best if one person tracks the bills & she is good at it), But I always get the last Words. Yes Dear!!
Thank you
I love you Armin. You can take something so simple as taking a bent stick with a string on it, putting another stick on the string, pulling back and letting it fly, and turn it into a conversation about the deepest things in life. You inspire me so often. Thank you for what you do. May The Lord bless you.
thank you
@ jimmy ; The many disciplines and understanding of archery can help us better understand many other things in life.
pistolpeds yes they can.
@@pistolpeds Yes, the same goes with knitting too ;)
I just believe in my bow. Let him do his thing, and let the arrows fly
It seems to me that what you are describing is integration. That through our practice and experience all of our various faculties and abilities will over time combine helping us to release our arrow with the fullest expression of our intent.
leaving a comment for the algorithm because Armin is by far one of the best teacher I've ever heard and seen.
I’m just glad I can shoot. But I sure have fun so what ever it is I sure injoy it thank you again mr Armln.
Thank you / Vielen Dank, Armin! As you pointed out, the transition from gap shooting to instinctive/intuitive archery required me to stop trying to aim the arrow at the target consciously, but to simply shoot and give my subconcious the opportunity to learn. It required a leap of faith in the empty mind that has been justified. Ich muss eine Reise nach Malta arrangieren!
Great advise , you are my sencesay in archery , I have learnt so much watching all your videos. Keep up the great work
Well said Armin. Love your videos!
In slingshot we call the instinct/intuitive method as “估打”, then call the aiming method as ”瞄打”. Just as same as your opinion!! Thank you for your sharing!
Thank you for your explanation.
I have taken your shared philosophy and weaved it into my own.
Your timely reminder of simplicity and energy is appreciated.
Following.
Love this breakdown!
Thank you very much for the information. to continue feeding the knowledge.🙏
vera what knowledge ?
I like how you explain this conundrum that seems to get too many people worked up. As a child I would throw stones, my elder bigger brother used to bully me but one day I tought him a lesson, that was never fight me from a distance, I could hit him at will from 15 metres with a stone, I didn't aim, I just looked at where I wanted to hit him, anticipate his movement and threw. I think I will like this style of archery, I have just finished a course with FITA but hey I want to try all styles.
Thank you for this video! I have recently found your channel and have found it very instructive and enlightening.
Thank you
Until I saw this video I was always struggling with "is it instinctive or intuitive... how to call it when talking to people who want to learn?". This is by far the clearest described opinion I've heard so far. And I like it. :)
Hallo Armin, vielen Dank für Deine klaren Worte zum Thema "Egoshooting" und "Chi"shooting. "Ich"
wünsche Dir einen wunderschönen Tag.
Great video as all your bow review videos are... I motto is "don't overthink it, just do" call it what you will
That's true wisdom what you are sharing, I couldn't agree more with you, deeply grateful.
Thank you
Fairy Tale Archery - that's great, lol! Well done, Armin! That was a fun watch with some laughs along the way.
Wonderful. Thank you. 🏹
Loved this, thank you.
Sounds like a great explanation to me!
Great video ! You made a friend out of me by your vision of archery
That double bottle shot was incredible! Thanks for this excellent video!
thank you for watching
very informative!
you remind me of my Ju-jitsu teacher (a great man and a good person) very good explanations on the direction of the movements, the sense of technique and with humility.
he always said: "that's what I think, it's my vision and my truth, not the truth".
I would have definitely enjoyed learning taichi (and archery) with you. :)
I second that
I have found in my beloved field archery that your position is ever-changing, I have learned to adapt from strictly target archery to some bloody awkward positional shots and in doing so have learned how to search for arrows in woods, every day is a school day, always learning.
Very right you are an intelligent human
Brilliant, thank you!
I have not done archery long enough to have muscle memory built up. Your techniques still work great, right from the start. I now have to remind myself to do the khatra but with muscle memory, that is something that I will not have to think about in the future after more practice. As long as I have the khatra ready, the arrows go where I want them to, no muscle memory built up yet. Your techniques and those of Mihai Cozmei just made sense to my body and as soon as I tried shooting arrows, it works...
great information, thankyou for the video
im learing a lot from your channel :)
I really like the way you explain things, I’m on my 5th day of archery now using thumb release only and I’m already hitting fairly good groups at 5 yards. Watched many of your videos now and you have helped me tremendously to not only enjoy the process but also make progress. From what I’m learning (from your teachings and my own trial and error) aiming in traditional archery is both muscle memory and instinctive. Balance the 2 and you will do well I believe.
Thank you
Great viedeo ❤ i love How the camera follows your face 😃
Thank you for this .
This is all true what you mentioned - wisdom of life and at the end it is about practice and how many million of arrows did you shoot.... and who cares what is it called as long as it is bringing better results.
I don't want to be better than anyone else - but better than I was yesterday.....
Namaste....
I´m in love with this truthful explanation, the only one "instictive arrow" is the first ....it is the apocalypse for many people who "say that they practice instinctive archery". Thaks Mr. Armin, now I see and I ear that someone thinks like me ... and many people more... then we aren't on the wrong side....
Nicely put.
Lovely lesson !
Dear Armin, I follow your channel for years now and I am glad to see him grow. Could you please describe the content of this video regarding "target panic" as background in another video? And how can deal a traditional archer with "target panic" in general? Kind regarding Marc
Another great video, very well put. Ultimately the terminology has no effect on the outcome. However you shoot the only thing that matters is enjoyment.
Wise words, just do and enjoy.
Thanks for new informations
A great definition. I easpecially love the swinging target, and automatic transmission comparison. Very nice.
Although, fairytail archery sounds awesome 😂
i really like the concept of intention
Thanx Armin, I like fairytale archery, that's what I'm going to call my style from now on. *o*
I feel very comfortable concluding it's all three! There is also hand/eye cordination.
I like the way you think!
In baseball, when pitchers struggle they often say he is aiming instead of throwing. This is how I like to think of this style of archery: You are shooting or are you aiming....... The difference is palpable. I'll keep shooting, thank you.
It reminds me of what my meditation teacher used to tell me, "You have all the time in the the world, and not a moment to loose."
Thank you Armin....
Well done Armin. Personally, I feel the shot. Perhaps similar to a sports player or warrior going on automatic.
I love this man ,one of the wisest people I've ever known not because he can spew wisdom but that he lives it .
Thank you
Nice way of stating it. I'm a musician as well as an archer, and for me (the only thing I know for sure, and still I'm doubtful), is that muscle memory frees the mind of such boring mechanical details and allows it to soar! It's difficult to focus one's intention while thinking about back tension, breathing and release. This why I don't get upset about the results on the target. Hone the muscle memory, the art will follow!
This man talks sense. A great ambassador for archery.
I think the best is to be focust on ourselves live and let live for me it is not important how someone call his /her Shooting Style as long as he or she hit the target right we all can learn from each other and we all Archers and thats just nice! 😊👍Good luck to all of You have fun get it done let some Arrows fly 🍀🍀🍀🍀
Yay! The best comment in the video was about the village and the gvmt -:)
Faerie-tale archery, fantastic, going with that from hereon.
well said my friend
I really like your thinking and evidences. I must think to come and visit Malta and if I may, Your place.
You can but I myself moved to Austria :)
@@ArminHirmer Ciao, i am sorry to bother but are you still selling and teaching but in Austria, now? Thank You and have a nice day. Ste
@@stefanovecchi6476 yes :)
It’s amazing how they don’t have this discussion about baseball pitchers or batters, the training brings skill, so they can react with that skill without overthinking the move. In baseball it doesn’t need a name. It just is.
I agree with you absolutely.
excellent. i like it how you use wisdom from different countries to develop a way of seeing. india, china and nigeria ('chi').
As long as your having fun then do it doesnt matter if its wrong way or right way, just dont hurt yourself and practice safety
My subsconciuos is talking with the arrow and the target.I don´t like definitions...they are closely. Nice thinking Armin, thumb up.
Great video
intuitive like shooting a jump shot while spinning three-pointer in basketball😃hitting a whole in one in golf😊your mind imagines where it will go and your soul feels where it will go sometimes blind folder😉 like when a mother feels her child is in danger 😃 muscle memory is to repeat the same out come😎without thinking of the physical actions in the process 😁some people are better without much practice ☺️don't forget about the archers paradox 🙂ich liebe dish☺️ Mr Hirmer 🤗
I agree completely!
It's the Force Armin, May the force be with you :|
Well said
Practice, practice and some more practice. :) if you love what you're doing someday you'll be great at it. Some more than others but that's life.
A very erudite (and understandably - somewhat weary) little lecture on the great problem of epistemology and human experience. His 'two parties' 'divide and conquer' the village metonym is spot on. Many of us 'know' but defeat our knowing by adherence to obfuscating and self defeating 'systems'. We become a majority of neurotics ruled by sociopaths. Human truth lies in neither of these pathological conditions. We are eminently capable of - indeed evolved upon - the basic tenets of 'self management and mutual aid'. It is inscribed in our long infancy and reliance upon nurture tempered with discovery and adversity. It matters little whether we call it Chi, instinct, whatever. Archery (and fly fishing by the way) is peculiarly apposite evidence of our natural propensity to harness this evolution at a frequency that defies a notion of 'pure' logos (an Oxymoron if ever there was) and defines the idea of 'dancing and knowing' - the ludic 'intuition' forming precision - naturally.
These things are NEVER equal! That would be an ideal world. All we can do as humans, is to strive to do better and that means practice. What ever you call it, improvement happens and that makes me happy!
I can see why you have such a strong following. Your Outstanding teaching.
I don't believe we have to do the isoslese triangle formula in order to perform archery.
To many people over think everything.
Just go with the flow of nature.
Or...
Maybe I over simplify.
First you need the form in your muscle memory, then follow your flow :)
LOVE THIS :) :) :)
Love it when the “you visualise...” part kicked in. Bullseye.
Its a thumbs up from me as always :)
Great video. I don't really care what you call it since everybody knows what you mean when you talk about instinctive. Shooting "instinctive" I belive is the best term since it means you shoot like an instinct not precisely an instinct. Archery 101/ 3D archery made this point in one of his videos.
Die deutsche Sprache bringt hier Erkenntnis. Dieses freie Bogenschießen ergibt sich aus einer Symbiose (dem zusammenleben) von Intuition (hineinschauen) , Instinkt (Erbkoordination/Antrieb) , Reflex (Verarbeitung von Reizen) und dem Muskelgedächtnis, all das kommt hier zusammen und wenn es aufeinander abgestimmt ist, dann trifft man das Ziel.
Great video but you're probably gonna ruffle some feathers. I like what you said at the end, it really comes down to whether or not you can hit the target!
Again you are right 👍
As a martial artists that practices and gives credit to what works regardless of the source I really appreciate how you address things of this nature. I noticed in the video about katchra you showed an example of bad technique and went to give it a name that most people would expect to be slightly insulting of the bad example, but you hesitated and simply said it is not katchra. Much respect. I recently noticed I shoot the best when I feel connected with my bow like with taichi swordplay.
That’s the way
Sensei. Ego's have been quietly disturbed and questioned by the wisdom and logic in your explanation.
Ha, a little late. I agree, but half of the things we do works this way.. Playing piano, driving and shooting a ball at the goal etc.
Theres so many shooting styles. I gap shoot off the riser not the arrow tip, and for a long time I shot split vision, its a mix of so called instinctive and gap shooting, its a nice blend of both.
I think muscle memory is just the fine tuning (polishing) of something that is intuitive/instinctual. It takes all 3 to shoot.
its actually not . its learned behavior , gross or fine motorskill ,even wrong or bad patterns. turned into habits the mind can dump into the lazy subconscious to deal with
OSHO? Chi? What a delightful surprise you are. Thought you might add Eckhart Tolle to the mix when talking about shedding ego! You are bright eloquent and enlightened. Good to find you.
Thank you, yeah Eckhart ist a good one too if you wanna work with your ego and your painbody :)
Very good. I agree. Throw a ball in a basket or a dart and you will feel The Feel. One point though: there is no muscle memory. Its all learning. Its in your head.
Bellow average so far! :)
Only 2 Thumbs Down
I allways give you a thumb up Armin.
You do a lot of good for the Archery Community. Thanks for all you do for us!
I like this guy
I just noticed only 3 thumbs down! Great video!
I think people who argue about the topic should reduce their stress level and simplify the whole thing accepting that there's no need to necessarily have a right way to describe it.
We use often the idea of throwing a basket-ball...are you aiming? Not exactly. But you have an idea about the distance by using the brain and experience (which is used as database by the brain).
Had the idea of distance and height, then is about where to shoot at, and we all know that we'd shoot higher if we get that the target is far...having the bullseye constantly, then, is about experience, meaning training, meaning muscle memory to the point you feel the bow as extension of you.
Arguing about it has no sense, even more cause archery is a very individual experience and we should not force anybody to be needing to feel something or to think at it the way we want :D
Fairytale Archery, love it.
Didn't expect to get a philosophy lesson in this video! Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Your video on how to aim in traditional archery was a game changer for me, helped me improve so much with just a simple mindset change, I'm excited to see how I'll grow in the upcoming months, or years.
I think the use of the 'subconscious' is what makes archery so relaxing for me, that calm flow state does wonders for my anxiety.
Muscle memory is when you grab your bow and arrow, intuition is the aim and instinct is the release? Im all new to archery and the terminology is all new for me to.
Well thank you for that video, quite contrasting the especially german/austrian ideas about exact and "right"...I would like to ask a further question: do you tend to synchronise your breathing , with drawing and releasing, like in tai chi quan or ba duan jin? Care to elaborate in a video?
Agreed 100%
Conscious and unconscious application of energy