Why The Sims 4 Packs Feel So Disjointed
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- čas přidán 17. 01. 2023
- The Sims 4 DLC Model Isn't Great! Sims 4 Packs are a big mess! and this is why...
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the fact that the everyday & bathroom clutter kits are separate instead of just one stuff pack proves all of this
I actually agreed for the occults to be deprecate
Separate
@@robertbonds6680 I'm kinda in two minds about the occults, on the one hand we know they can do separate occults well eg werewolves, but with things like mermaids and aliens there's a mismatch in quality (admittedly these were part of larger expansions but I feel my criticism still holds weight). on the other hand, in Sims 3 supernatural the occults were less in-depth but they all felt like they had an equal amount of depth if that makes sense lol, and there were more occult types included in the pack in one go (we still don't have fairies in sims 4, or things like genies and mummies from other sims 3 packs).
I guess my point is, if they're going to split up features into separate packs that used to be part of one larger pack in previous games, they need to justify that split. high quality in-depth game features like werewolves can justify separate packs, but I'd bet actual money that the venn diagram of people buying the every day or bathroom clutter kits is just a circle (and therefore a lack of justification for the split outside of "EA doesn't just want some money, it wants all the money")
@@thepokemonqueen we actually got the best vampires in 4
I really was hoping for a bit of gameplay with the bathroom clutter. I can so imagine my kid sims either frying their hair with the blow dryer or not drying it enough and going to school with an uncomfortable moodlet because their hair is wet 🙃. Alas, I can only imagine ...
You're so right about never leaving the house in TS4. In TS3, my sims are ALWAYS out and about somewhere. Even if they really are just rabbit holes, my Sim is always at the book store, or the movie theater, or the diner. I go to the grocery store weekly. I go to the spa weekly. I'm at the library all the time to use the computer and read skill books. I spend a ton of time at the park, mooching out of picnic baskets. I go to the consignment store a couple times a week just to see what's available and see if I can sell any of my stuff. I spend a huge amount of time collecting, and go all over the map all the time. I get my athletic skill up by running from the beach to Simhenge and back again. I frequently just spend time in the map mode, just seeing what's going on in town. I can see where the ice cream truck is. I can see if there's a sporting event happening. I can see if the unicorn is currently spawned somewhere.
In TS4 the only time I ever really leave the home lot is if I have an aspiration that needs something from somewhere else, and I do it begrudgingly due to the loading screen. I go out a little more now that I have Cottage Living, because I go to the grocery carts and the fair on Saturdays. But unless I have something that says 'fish in three different areas' I'm just not leaving my house for anything. Why should I? Why should I go to the boring, empty gym when I could just throw down a treadmill and an energized moodlet lamp in my basement? Why go to another square, barely decorated bar when I could just have a bar at home, and NOT see freaking Bella Goth everywhere I go? There's no joy in leaving your home lot in TS4.
completely agree i just give my sims everything they could need at home and rarely send them out vs when i play 3,theyre never home
yeah in cottage living my sim tend to be in my home. But my sim in willow creek, i always let her go to snowy escape, a beautiful place to roam around. i play solo sim so maybe that's why she always go to snowy escape.
but i agree with you, why would we go to empty gym, library, bar, and parks..
Right. Ts4 takes too long tho to go out and sometimes even causes a crash. I rather just have my basement full of all of those things in the outside world. Because I don't want to wait so long just to go out. By the time it's done loading I forget where I wanted to go or what I wanted to do
about grocery carts, you can just buy one on your lot with a 200 fee per day and not actually leave at all.
They need to update this game to at least have open world neighborhoods like ughghh
I have now reached a point where I have practically no more expectations regarding EA/Maxis. They have shown with Sims 4 that they either don't care or simply are not capable of doing the job. But of course I still keep my eyes open because of my long history with the franchise and like to be surprised. I doubt they'll be able to turn it around though. At least as far as Sims 4 is concerned...
Yea
They definitely don't care because they have the money and resources to hire consultants, functional dev team, and QA testers. They put out whatever half ass crap they want because enough people will buy it every time something new releases.
@@idrinkred3614 That is precisely the core problem with the whole thing. There are enough people who will swallow anything EA offers them. Either out of misconstrued loyalty or simply because Sims 4 is the first Sims game for many players and they therefore don't know it any other way...
At this point I'm simply watching out of curiosity to see how bad it gets.
That's kinda where I am, I've stopped playing altogether and just do stardew or whatever. I keep up with the news and updates just to see what happens but I'm pretty much done. If I get the urge to play I'm gonna play ts3 for awhile.
I remember Sims 3 University pack was so fun and engaging and you could go anywhere on campus to meet people and do activities and The Sims 4 Discover University was just a boring slog.
Also I found it mental that Snowy Escape is a Japan themed world but they couldn't have karaoke machines/bars because City Living has them.
Discover University is literally the most disappointing pack I've bought for Sims 4. Like, I feel like nothing happens even when my Sim's enrolled in university and living on campus.
Yes I agree, the experience of the sims 3 university is so much more fun
Everyone should play world adventures just to see what an expansion pack used to be, that's one of my all time favorites also. I spent so many hours exploring the worlds and the tombs, there was just so much to do.
World Adventures was easily one of my top 3 expansion packs for Sims 3, but I don't even own any of the vacation world packs for Sims 4 because they seem completely disappointing in comparison
Yes! Three extremely in depth worlds in one pack??? Lore, gameplay buuildbuy cas even vacation homes.. Unthinkable now
World adventures was a game changer.. I mean literally what they all should be. Lol but yess that and supernatural they just add so much more character to the game. They all seem so diluted and half assed now
I absolutely LOVE World Adventures. It's so good.
World Adventures would absorb me for HOURS. I lost all sense of time and space.
Not only do they have packs that don't integrate but are isolated, they have packs that don't even get updated for the future. You'll have a pack that has a main feature that works with traits within the game and dlcs, but it won't account for the traits that are added in future dlcs. There aren't ever any connecting threads in dlc as I swear there are similar mechanics/features in multiple packs that don't reference each other.
you just need to look at the in-game social media. Why IN THE WORLD do we have not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4 BUT 5 DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIAS (Social Bunny, Trendi, Plopsy, Simstagram and the Get Famous social media system)??? Why can't the followers on one platform follow us on a different platform? Why am i the bigger influencer to ever walk the Earth on one platform and literally a nobody on another? Why are there 5 different, completely unrelated platforms??
Well, in real life there's youtube, facebook, instagram, twitter and twitch...
Even though the Sims isn't like real life much...
Trendi and plopsy aren’t social media
@@adrianblake8876 yes but in real life you at least advertise yourself on one platform to build the others. On The Sims there's no function like that, which makes all the socmed functions independent from one another.
Because there 5 different completely unrelated packs..
And EA gives no shit about cross pack compatibility 😬
As someone still playing sims 2 I can tell you loading screens do NOT add to the loneliness in sims 4.
My sims 2 sims are very active on community lots enjoying all dlc. Yet, as you said, my sims in 4 rarely leave the home lot.
Sims 4 was developed to milk fans out of the most money as possible. Period. Which is why it's so bad. smh
You're right! In the sims 2 I don't mind the loading screens at all since they're so worth it because the gameplay is very fullfilling. The way that the sims interact with each other and the objects around them makes the lots feel alive, whereas in the sims 4 each sim feels the same ans there isn't much you can do in community lots apart from meeting new townies and getting new collectibles in the area.
Exactly my sims in the sims 2 go on date nights, shopping, the park, the club, my University sims go to the gym and other places on campus when they’re not doing classes.
watch ea just split generations into:
sims 4: toddlers stuff pack
sims 4: imaginery friends game pack
sims 4: child's stuff pack
sims 4: "jeff e cheese" stuff pack (requires dine out, get to work, and parenthood)
and then it all breaks so none of them work
No extra credit for stating the obvious
😂🤣
Don't forget 15 poorly themed and even worse designed kits !
Not even surprising if they made a imaginary friend pack if they made dlc for dlc and having to pay for weather
it's so pathetic how while other teams from other games deliver unimaginable details, for The Sims 4 team everything is so difficult and impossible
it’s impossible and difficult, because as long as they still get money and modders just fix the game themselves it’s not an issue or a requirement to put an actual effort into the game
It’s so dumb that I need mods just to have pets and strays walking around worlds outside of that pack. Bugs too. I hate how separated they all are.
They are all separated yet Judith Ward world superstar goes everywhere, even the local library 😂
with werewolves pack they proved that it’s not even a problem to get the strays in other worlds (as dogs sometimes wander in moonwood mill) they’re just too lazy to add it. Maybe it sims 5 they’ll make it even worse, like seasons only working in a seasons designated world instead off all of them ://
@@astraltoast I think once Paralives comes out I’m done with the Sims. It sucks because I’ve played it since I was 11 or so. EA don’t care.
I may get sims 5 if it’s ever on a really cheap sale or they make it free like 4
@@Mibs-Mibby right? The one thing I want separated I have to have mods to keep sims in the right regions too. That doesn’t work perfectly but it’s better than nothing.
To be honest, I've been confused why everyone is so excited for a generations pack. In theory, sure, awesome. But has nobody else realized that the majority of stuff that should have come out in a generations pack has already been released as separate DLC? No knitting for elders, no laundry, no updated high school, no proms or graduations, no new parenting system, no water slide, etc. etc. These are already things you have to buy separately and I'm sure once infants come out an infant kit will follow soon after.
If this pack is generations, I will feel like they pulled a reverse My Little Pet Stuff. I actually... don't want a generations pack because it's gonna be so lacking that I don't want to tarnish the holy grail that is Sims 3 Generations.
I really don't know what we'll get with the new expansion pack since, as you mentioned, most features from generations are already in the game. I guess that they can still provide new interactions for younger sims like playing tag, baking muffins in the toy oven, dressing up as superheroes... And new features like memories, albums, expanded family tree, funerals... But still that doesn't seem like enough content for an expansion pack. It really seems that the new pack will be family focused because of the family tree image, the cartoonish drawing, the "relative" word and the "family" word in other languages... But I don't know how they'll handle it. In the sims summit they didn't show us really anything that could be family related apart from the picture of the kid riding the bicycle, which doesn't really mean we'll get that feature since it's just concept art.
Finally
Not to mention that the parenting pack and highschool pack dont work together. So a generation pack that wont work with either of Them. Gonna be a Big mess
@@linej8630 yup. One of the things the sims 4 does the worst is cross pack compatibility
I've been confused about that as well
Omg satch you're right about the packs having shallow themes. This game is turning into a joke 😭😭
"nobody is gonna make a let's play with werewolves" me who was doing a legacy challenge with werewolves: excuse me
The individual packs wouldn’t be such an issue if EA actually made them with so much better quality and quantity. TS4 could’ve had so much potential.
That or lower the price, the amount we get for the price is just unacceptable
Yesss, THIS!! more inside a pack, or same but less price
yesss, i used to play sims 3 with just late night because its all i could afford with my chore money, and had soooo much fun for probably weeks of time lmao. now i have almost all expansions and i get bored after 30 minutes of playing unless I'm building. luckily i bought sims 2 deluxe collection and can play that for much longer. u can tell they used to care sooo much more about the actual game and not just profits
I also only had Late night for a long time and i was obsessed with everything in it. Honestly the way TS4 is going rn i might just delete it and go back to Sims 3 even if it takes up more space on my laptop
I'm not a builder nor do I enjoy CAS. I'm so disappointed in ALL DLC as the Sims 4 is really missing and lacking gameplay. I play the Sims since Sims 1 (before the first DLC). And the Sims 4 is my least favourite Sims game. I would LOVE a generation GAMEPLAY pack
At this point it almost feels like they know the game is broken beyond saving and are only giving us cas and build/buy content for our money and to keep us quiet. That's why I don't get excited for Sims 4 packs anymore and am just looking forward to Sims 5 in which I hope they deliver a game with good, solid base coding to withstand half a decade of new packs and additions
I totally agree!!
@@TheDaniela3112 Based on all of the Sims 4's history, there's no point to wait for the Sims 5, it'll just be worse...
Loved this video, I haven't played the Sims 4 since the Get Together expansion, I was only 13-14 years old and I thought to myself that I would just get everything and play it when it's complete, like I did with the Sims 3... Clearly I was delusional to think this would take the same path as the Sims 3... I only play Sims 3 now and I never get tired of the game, I can easily play World Adventures over and over again and still enjoy the gameplay.
Also, Satch you look so healthy and fit!
World Adventures and Ambitions were honestly just the best packs. WA gave me just endless hours of exploration, and Ambitions gave me those freelance careers for all the different skills, and the fun bonus of being able to just blow stuff up with the inventor skill. Nothing else Sims has done has come close to how good those packs were for me.
I’ve given up on the sims4 I play the game and I do enjoy it, but it’s only because of the amount of mods I’ve had to download in order to make the game entertaining. I also hate there is no other game like the sims, and I feel EA is well aware of this and uses that to manipulate their customers. At the end of the day they know we dislike the way the game is but we won’t stop playing because there isn’t any games out yet to top it.
THIS! I hope Paralives will come out soon since it looks so much better than Sims 4 and the people who are making dont only care about money🙄
never thought about if we got hotels we couldn't do restaurant because of dine out ! solid points !
I swear everything you said touched my heart because it's so true! The Sims 4 is terribly lacking in fun gameplay because every pack is so isolated (only geared towards making money for EA Games). I JUST WANT TO FEEL SOMETHING OTHER THAN BOREDOM WITH SIMS 4 😩
Also I feel like they should have fun mini games (ex. real competition feature in gaming where you play vs the npc; a game within a game essentially) and maybe some event pictures when they use rabbit holes. Just to get a glimpse of they're actually doing, like prom in Generations did. If we can't go to the lot, EA should at least us see what our Sim doing there while we're waiting. With open neighborhoods and cars of course.
And Island living made me mad, might not buy it because I found out you can't actually explore the ocean, like what?? How do you make an ocean you can't use and charge $40 bucks for it be used as a pool??
Trying to keep my head up with Maxis 😬
Aaaaa a good old Satch sims 4 rant. Much needed as ive almost started justifying what EA are doing in my head, and kind of went on a pack buying spree during the christmas sale. Now realised everything you said about the isolating gameplay is true :((
Your passionate hate for Sims 4 Wedding Pack, will always forever be jumó irons to me 😂😅💀 ☠️
People get hyped again and again, for nothing. Anyone who thinks EA will turn it around for Sims 5 is delusional. I’m telling you, you have seen nothing yet. Sims 5 will be the last nail in the coffin. More branding, more DLC, cloud gaming or subscription, less gameplay, more decor, geared towards even younger players (because grown adults hardly spend this much cash for bs, without voicing a negative opinion online, so it’s best to get them off the game completely)…
The next expansion? ,,The Sims 4 Loading Bar Extender!“
if theres a problem with dlc in the sims 4 then they wont even bother to fix it, instead they'll just add another isolated and very similar pack so if you liked the first one but felt like it was too glitchy or they could've done more then you'll have to buy the 2nd one too and you'll never use the 1st one again (this may sound silly but its a bit like powercreeping but in dlc form)
That is the summary of the sims 4. Everything is so isolated that in the long run it’s not fun. Plus, I think this is the biggest sims 4 flaw - there are no goals. Recently I started sims 2 play again. It was game of my life. But I forgot how fun and hilarious the game is. The wants, the fears, long time goals. Hilarious situations. Quality of animations and depth put in every aspect is just outsatanding. The last pack for sims 4 I bought was cats and dogs and seasons. You are the only youuber I am subscribing for because you are honest with all your opinions. All those very well known CZcamsrs ….I just stopped watching them because I felt how much their opinion are biased being in game changers. Thanks for your canal :)
Ps. The level of bugs they are selling with packs is just not acceptable almost every aspect of the game is glitchy now. Sims 3 was not perfect but it worked. It just worked. Sims 4 - base game sure it worked but it’s so simple and you have to buy other packs. I stopped sims 4 gameplay at all. I tried many times - but then after day or two I had like “ok it’s boring”. No goals no real incentive to play.
Tbh, I wish they don’t release anything and just fix the old pack and expansion, that would be great.
Everything you said here is so true. I barely leave my house in ts4 because the loading screens just get tiring after a while. I've only ever played the sims 4 so seeing how it used to be in ts3 through ppls streams and lets plays I was shocked at how much you could actually do!! I think the way I've always described ts4 is that "shes close to being good but just not there yet" especially in comparison to ts3. I would much rather have fun game play that keeps me entertained for hours than a lot of build n buy or cas(but then again I do play with CC installed so idk).
Also as for the occults, I think this really is the 1 thing the sims 4 has done very well for 3/5 of them. I wish that the Mermaids and Aliens also had the skill tree like the others but I know they'll never go back and fix them. I think the fact that the other 3 occults got their own pack that was so detailed was very fun to play with. I just wish all the occults got that same treatment :\
So basically, EA just did with sims 4 'generations' by selling multiple split up packs for higher sales profits even though even if you bought all those packs, the combined content still wouldn't equate to the ONE expansion pack sims 3 had....kinda same thing they did with occult sims packs as opposed to the sims 3 supernatural pack.
Money, laziness, money, lack of talented creators, money, ....
ngl i love the big and pretty cas and buy mode in ts4, i always hated that about ts3 (i never use cc) but i agree on everything else. i could play ts3 for hours, still do when i start playing. i can never have a longer play session with ts4. and i’m honestly thinking at this point us all who are excited for a potential generations are truly hoping for ts4 to feel connected, but it wont happen. it’ll probably break the game more. the more doc they add the less i actually play with it. i feel like the last time i actually properly played with a dlc was with city living. i own almost every ts4 dlc (apart from star wars and some kits) and i cant stay happy and play with one family. with ts3 i always just had like 5? dlc (generations, pets, seasons, ambitions and late night) and i could play for hoursssd and still can. ugh. but still i am such a family player i am
so excited for infants and generations. i never learn 😩
”Get to infancy game pack provides another life stage for your sims. Clothing sold seperately in my first infant stuff pack”
Thank you! I’ve been saying for over a year now that it is impossible for them to release a “Generations” pack that will make people happy. I’m simultaneously hopeful for a good pack coming up and also bracing for widespread fury.
But as to the isolation of packs - that’s partly on fans. Every time there’s any sort of overlap between packs or any single element in an old pack that’s released to base game so other packs can interact with it, there’s a huge outcry “I paid money for that! You can’t just release it free!” Or “You already did that! Including it again is lazy!” Even if it’s an extremely minor part and/or related but not actually the same thing. 🤦🏼♀️
It’s a negative feedback loop. EA was looking for a way to get more money out of us. And we not only reward them for it, we lock them in so they can’t course correct even if they want to.
@@Bridenbrad they’ve done way more in the past and that’s why the community is the way it is. EAs problem with sims 4 is that sims 1, 2 and 3 exist. They’ve done more with less. Make a ton more money off people now by dividing content and most of it is just outright boring/repetitive.
@@Bridenbrad is that really true though? We get only some items for an expensive price. also some software devs players mentioned that they feel it's like lazy coding.. i dunno though. But i really like & grateful that Sims 4 is optimized and can be played on low-end computers. My computer can't even install Sims 3 i think. And the worlds in Sims 4 are kinda beautiful
I dont rlly care about the packs but at least lower the prices omg
Honestly! To buy all packs, expansions, kits, everything (including the 2 new kits) it's about £20 shy of £900. It's just unacceptably expensive
Same! Sims 3 world adventures was amazing! Deeeeeep gameplay in 3 different worlds. If they want players to pay for worlds and activities other than American ones, at least do it like Sims 3 world adventures.
It’s ridiculous how many American worlds and bb we have, specially compared to the lack of other cultures. Not to mention *all* base game worlds are American and bb makes it very difficult to build anything other than a sub American house.
This. So i'm thankful for the oasis kit and snowy escape, bb of another cultural theme.
when you mentioned my first infant stuff, i immediately thought “don’t give EA any ideas!”
sims 3 world adventures is a masterpiece of an expansion, and one of the best sims expansions of all time. it was so detailed and offered an incredible amount of content. the sims 4 could NEVERRRR
I personally like the more in depth packs but if they are done well. Very few sims 4 packs are done in depth enough. (Cottage living, warewolves)
as much as I like cottage living imo it’s not done in depth at all. The gameplay is repetitive af and it’s also buggy. But at least cas and bb stuff are nice and the world looks alright. But I swear most of the packs people like, is because they like the concepts of them, not the actual execution.
@@astraltoast I definitely think they could have done more in cottage living-horses, more in depth fairs, maybe fairies more community lots etc. however it still has lots of gameplay-tons of errands, multiple types of fairs, lore, townies with backstories, cows chickens rabbits foxes birds, insanely beautiful world, cas build buy 10/10. I mean it just has so much compared to other expansion packs but of course probably still a bit less gameplay than a sims 3 pack. But then again in the sims 3 we never got cows, chickens llamas so as someone who loves farm animals it’s just a standout pack for me
while I felt it, I never pulled those thoughts together into "pack isolation", this is the #1 worst issue with this game.... yeah, we have bugs and sub-par packs, but "pack isolation" as you explain it, particularly where it involves every day types of stuff, is a serious problem. I fear though, it might be the way going forward.
@@SatchOnSims-On.-Telegrxm. spam? looks like someone spoofed an account here
I absolutely agree with everything in this video, especially the last part about becoming bored quickly and buying new packs! 😢
how addiction works
Yeah i'm new to sims 4 and was really excited to eat at japanese restaurant in snowy escape.. in the end, i added hotpots on the kotatsu in the bath house..
Oh god my fave was world adventures too, it was so good, every sim I made first thing they did was go on holiday 😂 I loved the French world soooo much. But it was just really fun gameplay and I wanted to uncover all the secrets, I was so disappointed in holiday in sims 4, it’s not the same…
And every single world added a new skill! martial arts was my favourite, then nectar making. I'm sort of intermittently doing the start of a legacy game in Sims 3 at the moment and the character who's currently a teen is going to focus on the World Adventures gameplay as an adult.
I think another thing that leads to pack isolation is that many gameplay features that come with a particular pack can only be played in the world it came in (ex: only San Myshuno and Evergreen Harbor can have apartments, conservationist career is meant to be played in Sulani, etc). So instead of being able to easily implement those features into your regular gameplay, you have to either move to that world and sort of dedicate yourself to that pack's gameplay, or constantly travel between worlds (which many players may feel like that breaks immersion).
I must be honest, I discovered your channel very recently and the second I heard your laugh I subscribed, it brings me so much joy just to hear you laughing and talking it's like therapy.
Everything does feel separated in this game...when you start a few game everything is separated and you still have to manually place some lot types such as restaurant.. spa.. and "bowling alleys" which aren't even there own thing but that's another topic that's probably why save files are so exciting
I still can't believe that a game over 8 years old is still charging so much for its broken and shallow DLC. EA is practically asking to have their game pirated now that they made the base game free💀
I've been wondering why people were asking for "Generations" forever now. Never played the Sims 3 so I didnt exactly get the hype. But I was always like, bruh we have a pack for basically every life stage. We have toddler stuff, kids room stuff, high school, college, knitting and stuff- they just arent super deep lmao
I love occults and I really like vampires and werewolves, but they arent that deep. They tried to add some lore and stuff to them with the werewolves update, but it still doesnt go that deep. You can find out most of the mysteries in about an hour if you're really determined to do so. Just dig around a little and read some books and that's it. Oh, werewolves and vampires might fight each other. That's it. I feel like they could have done a little more with all of them
I don't mind if a theme slips into multiple packs as long as each division is deep enough to be its own pack.
God forbid Sims 5 goes to a subscription system. The thought of that is terrifying.
The only sims 3 packs I had were season and supernatural and I had the time of my life🙆♂️😭
As a professional circus artist, I feel under-represented. Where is the circus pack?
New skill tree for juggling, kids can run away, trailers to live in and roller coasters please.
You can get hired as a clown for kids birthdays.. If you suck the kids can throw popcorn at you.
New deaths: fell from trapeze, inhaled fire, popcorn humiliation.
Cmoooooon just think of the costumes
Ooh so with sims 3 showtime features?
this is going to be another 'Influencers gush and gasp and hype the updates in videos, everyone buys into it AND buys the packs, and then we get another week's worth of videos showing us how broke, glitchy, and waste-of-money it actually turns out to be' scenario. SMH
They already gave us their version of Generations by splitting it up between multiple other packs and in the process charging us three times as much for considerably less gameplay. If Sims 4 is good at anything, it's creating lackluster play and disappointment.
When I played sims 3 , everybody was saying sims 2 was better.
Now we are playing sims 4 and everybody is saying sims 3 was better.
It’s a never ending circle.
People will say sims 4 is better than sims 5 etc…
Yep. They’re just becoming more and more diluted over the years yet we STILL are here playing them. It’s like an addiction at this point lmao
@@chickennugget5372 yes. finally someone says something about addiction. i wonder if the sims players realized they're addicted or not. or they did but don't care..?
@@second_second_ for me personally it’s trying to chase after that fun I used to have with sims 3, but never truly getting it from sims 4, yet I still can’t stop playing it!
i know the hype for paralives has kind of died out but i really really hope it can replace the sims. i’m so tired of ea
I'm currently playing two teen sims who live away from home, and I'm always sending them to see their families or meet up with friends on other lots. Although I am not a skilled builder, I enjoy renovating the community lots because I think they can be boring.
I think if sims 4 was open world but still had all the packs we have now it wouldn’t feel as empty, even if the gameplay is still pretty shallow/empty.
@@mlcd3242 Yeah.. And funnily enough I started out with sims 3 and still Sims 2 Objectively has the most amount of simulation detail from animations to behaviors. If you have all the expansions for sims 2 plus a couple of mods... It's literally 200% better compared to all the sims 4 expanions combined. Even the loading screens seem like such a small price to pay because zero of the lots are rabbitholes besides work. We had resturants, Dance studios, Gyms, Clubs, Grocery Stores, Clothing Stores, Hotels, Beaches, Parks etc.
Don't say "My First Infant Stuff", you will literally give them ideas
World adventures was my favorite to. I played with that over and over. I loved being able to own a home in each of the countries.
I only play the sims 3 and never get tired of it. I stopped playing Sims 4 a long time ago
i have stayed around 12 k hours in the game , but its not from gameplay ( the average time in the live mode is between 5-10 min MOST )
😂 that says a lot
I know!!! I’ve been trying to actually play more now since building is starting to bore me. It’s been fun but gameplay does not at all compare to sims 3. The difference is like night and day, disappointing
It’s true the pack system is disjointed. For one Sims 3 pack, you need a few Sims 4 ones to get a similar experience. That’s only similar not exactly. My first infant stuff pack though! 😂😂😂
I miss how the sims 2 had spin-off games. I liked that they had main storyline elements instead of just dropping a sim into a world with nothing to do. Sims 2 castaway will forever be my favorite.
Simmer Erin had this awesome anology I agree with. Sims 4 is like a happy meal but the nuggets, fries, drink and toy are sold seperatly...
First, in the Sims 3, restaurants and spas were opened by downloading store content (which didn't replace the original base game ones). Or with the World Adventures food registers...
Second, pack isolation also plagues other features, like the wants and fears (bg only), sentiments (snowy escape only), hobby likes and dislikes that should be implemented into the traits, etc...
Actually I think a lot of people do want occult packs to be very in depth and for it to be a challenge to play as that occult for example in werewolf’s you have challenges and stuff which is fun and I honestly wish there was more challenges in the occult packs, cause gameplay would be more exiting then
Game packs were the biggest mistake of sims 4. It shouldn’t exist imo, but if it had to it should be related to niche / unusual gameplay. That is, occults etc. Dining, going to the spa, raising kids should not be game packs. Vampires, spellcasters and a story based adventure is. Im on the fence on jungle adventure. Personally I find adventure aspect in sims to be standard gameplay and not occult style gameplay. However, I can see a case for it being a game pack aswell though I personally disagree.
I never had packs in the sims 3 bc I was a child but I always wanted generations I’m still considering just leaving sims 4 and getting sims 3 again
You're videos are always great and you been looking really good babe👌🏽
omg!!! yess! its what ive been thinking for a while, so glad you spoke up about this! very true
You're so right about the assets quota thing bc we get so much repetitive or straight up unusable stuff. The cas and BB catalogues end up clogged with so much nonsense that you can't even get rid of. On the other hand they got simmers buying whole packs just for a single item they really like. CAS and BB shouldn't be the selling point for a pack unless it's a stuff pack which for some reason have to include gameplay in the sims 4. Whereas they didn't in the sims 2 and 3 and they were just fine, you only bought them if you liked the items but the gameplay experience wasn't affected.
This is the best video I've watched that breaks down the unfulfilling and exploitative problem with Sims 4's pack system!!
God, I just miss the times of Sims 1 and 2. I'd rather have fewer packs (or more time in between packs) but each one with a very specific theme. The way they reuse the same theme over and over again (everyday clutter kit & bathroom clutter kit, Pets expansion pack & pets stuff pack, etc) is just getting pathetic at this point. It's such an obvious cash grab on EA's part and it's just confusing and overwhelming from a customer's perspective. The quality of the packs has also GREATLY suffered since they started doing this. The fact that they are now not even trying to hide that they are splitting one and the same theme into multiple packs to make more money just goes to show that this community has utterly failed in holding EA accountable. I'm at a point now where I am more frustrated with the people who keep buying these packs than with EA. Get your completionist addiction under control, guys. You're ruining it for everybody else. Stop enabling EA.
The packs should focus on gameplay first and foremost. CAS and build/buy stuff can be provided by CC creators afterwards and for free. Anything else does not make sense.
Your laughter is the best part of your videos.
Yeah.... paralives is going to be purchased way before sims 5. Loves sims 2 n 3. But 4 is boring af
Sims4 feels like mobile game DLC. It's very speficic and disjointed from the other elements of the game. It's not for gameplay, but for making the game look pretty and aesthetics.
I come from the Sims 2 and never played Sims 3 and 4 but to me it seems that EA also backed themselves into a corner with focussing on just one feature per pack. Not everyone will buy everything, so connecting packs with one another is almost impossible or if you want to use a previously introduced mechanic, you have to reintroduce it.
No problem back in the day when a pack was more than one feature but today your customers will feel as if they were ripped off with the previous pack. Sims 2 introduced restaurants basically three times as you said and I don't remember anyone criticising that. Also talent badges came first with OFB but also again with Seasons and Free Time. Cars came first with Night Life and Free Time also gave you a car to repair and then use. Just imagine them doing this today. There would be riots because packs are less about being a big umbrella for new stuff and more one specific feature.
So I personally recommend Sims 2. Most stuff the Sims 4 has in terms of build and buy and CAS gets converted as soon as EA drops the packs. And especially in the last three years there have been many breakthroughs with mods that make new things possible. Highly recommend checking out LazyDuchess who is also actively working on making Sims 3 less of a strain PCs.
I onced watched a yt vid that was about inter-pack things that happen in The Sims 4. They mentioned how Seasons effects depend on which world you are in. For example, in Sulani, it's rainy in the winter. And in Brindleton Bay, it's rainy in the winter. And in Oasis Springs, it's rainy in the winter. And in Selvadora, it's rainy in the winter. And in Del Sol Valley, it's rainy in the winter.
Very true. In the sims 3 I had just Late Night and World Adventures and my game felt really complete. I never got bored of it.
In the Sims 4 I buy a new pack, play it for a day and get bored of it. I was buying them all until I realized it wasn't going to change or get any better. I didn't realize JUST how exploitive Sims 4 was with DLC until I started branching off last year and playing other games.
EA doesn’t care because modders fix the sims 4 game anyways. I used to complain about sims 4 but then I started downloading gameplay mods and build mode cc , after that I really like playing the sims 4 and no longer hate on the sims 4 (I’m lying I still hate on the sims 4 but just not as much lol.)
I can't remember the last time i actually used any of the dlc features, apart from build mode items and very rarely cas.
sims 4 is a glorified building simulator, which I wouldn't mind, but that's not that it says on the tin
Why? Because artificially inflating sales figures. If they split (what was at one time) one kit across three or four smaller packages, their investors see a 4x increase in the sheer volume of sales. It’s quite genius, and quite slimy at the same time
The sims 4 is a monetization nightmare. As someone who is active in a lot of other gaming communities, I can safely say that if any other game tried to do what the sims is doing, they would never get away with it. Yet in this community, microtransactions and seperating dlc which clearly belongs together is completely normalized. I personally stopped buying packs and regularly playing this game when snowy escape came out, that glorified seasons dlc was the last straw for me. And somehow the game has only gotten worse since then with all those kits.
Not only are the packs completely disjointed in order to sell us more crap, but they’ve also significantly lowered our expectations in the amount of content a pack should have. I believe that expansion packs are inherently overpriced, not a single one of them is worth 40 bucks. If you look at how much stuff was in a sims 3 expansion pack for the same price compared to the sims 4, it’s genuinely laughable. Honestly this game has one of the most gullible and exploitable communities who doesn’t hold EA accountable for anything. How many times was the sims 4 "cancelled" for releasing completely broken dlc, or splitting content up, or just using generally scummy business practices? More than you can count. Then the game changers get to make a video covering the "drama", get some extra coin for that and be right back to supporting the game the next day. It’s honestly tiring.
ea never beating the cash-grab allegations i feel
I held off on buying seasons beacuse its “cash grabby” and I was happy I got snow in snowy escape but Island living doesn’t have its own weather! So annnoying more worlds should have their own weather!
I have every sims 4 pack expansion stuff and kits and the only issue I have with it is the new bathroom clutter one other then that I love all of it and do play with all
You have explained ti PERFECTLY
I think it’s both negative and positive that they have a stuff/kit pack for certain stuff that people would want, but I do wish they were a bit cheaper or had a lot of things in them. And ofc some things should be added in game or expansion packs and not be in a stuff pack or kit all alone, but yeah
Bring back sims 2 tbh 🥺
Maybe the hotels could have buffet tables that could spawn breakfast, brunch, lunch, dinner and desserts. Maybe they could have a soda and juice mashine, maybe a coffee machine in the same fashion, because we don’t have anything like that, and it’s such a common thing to have on community lots. Maybe there could be a stall where there’s served food as well, and they just stand there and make food in the stall instead of talking all the time like. With all of this they could work around the Dine Out pack. They could make the hotels compatible with Dine Out. We have amazing builders on the gallery who can create hotels with restaurants, if you own the Dine Out pack. 😊
If I saw your channel sooner I would have saved money from the Sims 4 franchise. Your breakdown of how they gave us Sims 4 Generations bit by bit based on the packs that came out is spot on.
I’ve been dying to plan the sims 2 again, I’ve found nothing compares (imo). I got my old discs but, they don’t work on Windows 10, is there a patch or anything I can use to rectify this?
what wasn't mentioned was the sims 3 store which was a million times worse than the pack system in the sims 4
I totally agree, the sims 3 store was definitely worse. I think th difference is though, the sims 3 base game was at its core a more complete game. It had more gameplay, so everything from the sims 3 store was just extra. It wasn’t needed. For the sims 4, the content of just the base game, even though they expanded it over the years, is boring. It’s lacking in gameplay, and we get these packs that are divided up, and yet still lacking in gameplay.
Satch saying he hasn't played a single game with as much DLC as TS4 meanwhile all those simulators like Train Simulator, Flight Simulator, Farming Simulator and such come with HUNDREDS of paid DLC.
nope, ts3 store wasn't nearly as promoted as the kits are.
also new worlds that came in the ts3 store had more value than any ts4 expansion pack
i disagree, whilst yes it was expensive and overpriced, you can turn off the sims 3 store suggestions in game and literally never have to see anything about it.
I don't know much about the TS3 store, but I have a suspicion that it would be more accommodating to niche interests than a TS4 kit. Both 3 and 4 are equally as capitalistic imo, but I think 3 was the better model for the players.
basically, once we got houseboats we could sail around the open world, as well as world adventures (which included hotels!), horses you could take anywhere in sims 3...everything since has been a miserable step back. I just want to feel that euphoria of sailing my house to a different lot in real time again....i miss building ranches too....who knows if we'll ever experience such joy again. ...my favorite parts of the Sims are just mere memories - **cries**
Unpopular opinion: I kinda like the isolated packs...they go into more depth on each feature instead of being lackluster....they need to do more for those packs though...but still.
yes, i also actually like that it's themed, because i dont want to have things i dont want. But the pack should have contained more, or priced less. it's just too expensive for so little things.
Unpopular for a reason
Glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t leave my home lot … it’s such an inconvenience to go on a date or go to a gym lot …. Bring back open world !!!!!
Word Adventures was my favorite pack too!
This is best summary of what I been tryna say about sims 4
that is the reason why i just gave up on giving money to ea and started downloading pirated packs
Love this video - you're so right! Though I personally love the in depth occults of TS4, if other gameplay was more substantial I probably wouldn't miss them being dumbed down. I'm just HUNGRY for gameplay in TS4. In TS3 I feel like there's no way I can do all the things. Completely different vibes unfortunately. So I became a builder in TS4 because that's it's strong suit IMO.
8:49, what makes it worse, is that on one of the Sims 4's anniversaries, they added another hot tub in the base game (the one with the roof iirc), making Perfect Patio Stuff's main "added gameplay" kinda worthless..