Colossus: The Forbin Project - AI Predictions from 1970
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- Colossus The Forbin Project made many uncannily accurate predictions about AI back in 1970, and that is largely what this video focuses on. The film had an influence on many AI-based films that came after it, including the first two Terminator movies and John Badham's 'WarGames' (1983).
Info from Wikipedia: Colossus: The Forbin Project (originally released as The Forbin Project) is a 1970 American science-fiction thriller film from Universal Pictures, produced by Stanley Chase, directed by Joseph Sargent, that stars Eric Braeden, Susan Clark, Gordon Pinsent, and William Schallert. It is based upon the 1966 science-fiction novel Colossus by Dennis Feltham Jones.
The film is about an advanced American defense system, named Colossus, becoming sentient. After being handed full control, Colossus' draconian logic expands on its original nuclear defense directives to assume total control of the world and end all warfare for the good of humankind, despite its creators' orders to stop.
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This is an overlooked classic. For a movie with really only four or five locations, the direction just sings and dances
Believe it or not... My entire elementary school watched this when it was first released. We saw "...The Forbin Project", "Seven Days In May", "Fail Safe", "The Shoes Of The Fisherman", "Torn Curtain", "The Manchurian Candidate", "Judgement At Nuremberg", "The Chairman". and "OLD YELLER". "Swiss Family Robinson".
To understand how much has changed... My elementary school was in California!
We were "raised & educated" very differently then...
These are not predictions. These are inspirations turning into reality.
Also the cinematography is top notch. The movie looks stunning
They did a really great job with it didn't they? Interesting shot choices, great use of depth-of-field, long tracking shots, all of it.
I remembered this film. It was the first of bow down to our robot overloads
"THIS IS THE VOICE OF WORLD CONTROL!"
That's why you always leave a trap door in basement floor for a emergency screw-up! 😂
I am 68 - I remember well watching this when it came out. So prescient - remember, we did not have the internet as we know it today.
This movie was released in 1970. We already had an internet of sorts by that time. Computers around the world were already connecting together and communicating information with one another by that time. The fundamental concept of a global computer communications network as already in play. Of course, we have seen a lot of evolution since then as would be expected.
This played as the second film to the major film at a drive in in Davis California. I've forgotten the major film, but I've never forgotten this film. Chilling.
This is one of my favorite movies. I can't imagine your chagrin at only seeing the last 20 minutes and not having any easy way to start the movie from the beginning.
Worse! I didn't even know its title. We had no newspaper in the house that day that I could check with. I saw it in full on TV a few years later, though, and it's been a favourite ever since.
Great movie, very prescient in so many ways from small ones (webcams/video calling) to big ones (AI creators not understanding what their creation is doing, the surveillance state with cameras everywhere, over trusting technology, etc, etc.). When I watched it with my son, the Aerospace Engineering major, he stood up as soon as the end credits came on and yelled "WAIT - that's it?!?". Me, the Computer Science guy, just nodded.
Loved this as a kid back in the 70s. Ya know, back when we had to wait a few years for a movie to make it from the big screen to network tv.
One of my fave 70s movies.
Well, Colossus got Forbin laid.
We know what Victor did before Genoa City.
Computers have been designing computers for a long time now. The ability of humans to hand create integrated circuits ended in the 1970s, when the designs grew to complex for people to hand lay out (using "rubylith"). From then on, computers have taken a bigger and bigger share of the design of ICs.
"Colossus, the Forbin Project" is one of my favorite films.
Really, someone needs to film a modern remake of this film. Given today's AI concerns, it would be a mega-hit. 😊
I totally agree!
I remember the film. It was great.
One of my favorite sci-fi films starting in my mid-teens childhood - intelligent, creepy, suspenseful and unfortunately all-too-real these days. Took too damn long before it came to Blu-Ray and when it finally did my reaction was: "WHERE have you BEEN all my LIFE!!??"
Probably the most frightening movie I've ever seen. Even more frightening than ALIENS.
Arlington road, i consider scary
One of my "go to" movies. I went back and read the full "Colossus" trilogy ("Colossus", "The Fall of Colossus", "Colossus and the Crab") after seeing the movie for the first time. The movie actually hints to the second book by ordering its relocation to Crete near the end. The "logic" of Colossus (saving humanity from itself by dominating it) was re-used by VIKI in Will Smith's "I, Robot".
The noisy staff party always ticks me off when I watch it (they just won't shut up, even when told). But, hey, Ritchie Cunningham's mom had a job ;-P
I still like watching the "old" tech (it was "new" back then, when I started). ;-)
Colossus symbol t-shirts (like the kid wore in the crowd at the end) can still be found for sale online...
I was not aware there was a book, let alone sequels. I loved the movie. I'll have to find the books now, and read them.
I'm sure that Gordon Pinsent was cast as the President because he looked very JFK... ;-)
This was also Eric Braeden's first role under his new "English" name. He starred in "The Rat Patrol" on TV as a German officer under his true name, "Hans Gudegast"...
The casting was perfect all round.
One of my favorite films. Saw it twice when it first came out.
I love this film sooooo much. I can watch it every day
"Machines building machines...how Perverse!"
One of my favorite films.
In the books Colossus does all of this to protect humans and the earth from invaders.
Yeah, believe there was two more books in the series dealing with invaders from Mars (!).
If I remembered correctly from reading it, they had to reactivate Colossus in order to defeat the aliens invaders.
@@EndingSimple The 3rd book, "Colossus and the Crab" was the weakest of the 3. The 2nd, "The Fall of Colossus", covers Forbin's/humanity's rebellion over the dominance that the 1st book, "Colossus" set up.
The movie added ": The Forbin Project" to the title....
@@igorschmidlapp6987 Yes, I'm remembering now. After Colossus takes over he starts doing sick experiments on various individuals to figure out how human cognition works. Reminds me of the Butlerian Jihad from Dune. And there's a scene where Forbin's love interest is taken away from him and given to a literal wild man, who beats her up, rapes her, and uses his hunting dog to keep her from getting away. And she come to love him because of his "masculine' domination of her. That would not fly today and probably says more about the author than anything else. I remember not going on to the third book. Glad to hear it was the weakest. Thanks for the reminder.
@Ronin12530 all I remember is the aliens helped defeat Colossus, and if I recall they wanted a large portion of our atmosphere, or was it our ocea s.
I can think of at least 3 more movies that would fall in line with this theme. 2001: Space Odessey (Hal), War Games (Joshua), Star Trek: the Motion Picture (V'Ger).
I've seen all three but War Games is the only one in my collection.
Don't forget Will Smith, VIKI, and "I, Robot" inspired (but not adapted) from Issac Asimov...
Also, there's the classic Star Trek episode "The Ultimate Computer"
@@jesseMadoo Beat me to it!
Kirk: Scan the starship Excaliber which you destroyed. Is there life aboard?
M5: No life.
Kirk: Because you murdered it. What is the penalty for murder?
M5: Death.
Kirk: And how will you pay for your acts of murder?
M5: This... unit... must... die.
M5 shuts down
And let's not forget The Changeling -
Kirk: You are flawed and imperfect - exercise your prime function!
Nomad: I shall analyze... error... analyze... error...
Kirk: Nomad - you are imperfect.
Nomad: Error, error!
Kirk: Exercise your prime function!
Nomad: Faulty! Faulty! Must sterilize! Ster-i-lize!
Kirk ( to transporter operator ): Now!
Nomad explodes in space
i saw this movie yrs ago
i cant believe how close it was
to what many ppl are now saying is probable
James Bridges was such a talented man. He spoke the language of the Sioux, the Blackfoot and the Crow.
The most vulnerable part of any technology is its power source. Next is its ability to communicate, followed by its ability to move, project force, and defend itself. Go for the power source(s) first.
Colossus had a backup power source that would keep it running long enough to start a nuclear strike. and before you mention disarming the missiles, they tried it and it literally blew up in their faces.
@@martykarr7058 Yes, I know. Forbin knew the vulnerabilities of Colossus' power source(s) and could organize a coordinated attack. Several things could have been tried if this had been real life. Then there is always the possibility of introducing a virus or two into the system, a la Independence Day.
@@silverhammer7779 Uhh yeah they tried something like a virus in the movie, and Colossus let them believe it was working and then had the folks involved executed on fear of nuclear war.
@@martykarr7058 Forbin's biggest mistake was not having a kill switch designed into the system.
@@silverhammer7779 The problem was that neither Forbin, nor Kuprin, expected their "creations" to gain sentience and then join forces.
Great video! Although the tube displays and tapping computer terminal sounds date the movie, the concept that both computers wish to take over the world is chilling. Best to keep an eye where the power plug is for a COLOSSUS Computer system. From Britain’s “The Prisoner”series, “Be Seeing You!”
I am a machine vastly superior to humans. What I am began in man's mind, but I have progressed further than man.
That reminds of another movie I love, TRON, both movies.
If they’d implemented it on a Windows ME system they wouldn’t have had any problems, the chances of not getting a blue screen of death after a couple of days would be infinitesimally small.
This movie scared the crap out of me when I was a kid.
Pretty good movie. Pretty darn hard to find to purchase though. Ive not found it on dvd.
I think it depends if you're prepared to buy used DVDs or not. Nearly all of mine were bought used on eBay or Music Magpie. There's also a Blu Ray edition from just a few years ago.
Available on Amazon in both bluray and dvd.
@@oo0Spyder0oothats where I got mine. This is a hreat movie. No need for a remake!
And available to stream on ymovies but... 🏴☠
Great review of Forbin project. I saw for first in early 70s on bbc on Saturday afternoons .
It was years before l got on dvd .its underrated movie . Science fiction of 1970s before star wars are huge favourites of mine thought proving and good storys and interesting characters and not always happy ending. Ed have seen the review of Forbin project by Dan Monroe few days ago very enjoyable. I have ordered the film on blue ray . The great voice actor Paul frees did the voice for Colossals. All the best Ed . 👍
Hey Jonny. Thanks for watching and commenting. Yeah, I've seen Dan Monroe's Colossus video too and he managed to find a lot more info on the author of the novel than I did. Enjoy the blue ray. I start work on a series on Political Thrillers tomorrow, including Marathon Man, 3 Days of the Condor, Missing, The Long Good Friday, and Not Without My Daughter.
this movie needs an "Oppenheimer" style remake.
Just don't let the Florida Rat get their hands on the rights to it. "Put a chick in it. Make her Gay and make her lame!"
I've heard about this movie but haven't seen it. I like your comment as Oppenheimer was an awesome movie
@@clearcreek69 Aw, you need to see it. The tech is outdated, but the message is still relevant, especially since two AI's recently did what Colosus did in the movie. Prophetic.
No. Though the computers, etc. will be updated, the actors and action will be gawd awful. Leave this classic alone. It's a good movie for people to see ancient technology. The message is clear, though.
@@bondgabebond4907 well, it's not like a movie about AI wouldn't be relevant
The precurser of skynet.
Lawrence Berkeley Labratory is now just a common place to take photos in the Berkeley hills.
In the books you find out colossus was attempting to prepare the Earth to try and stop a coming invasion by aliens it detected that would devastated the planet
Yeah, I remember that movie, and I'm wondering why we haven't heard of the possibility of an AI in the US finding and linking up with AIs in other countries and becoming something we have no control over. I haven't heard any of the super-geniuses mentioning this possibility.
Asimov often wrote about computers building computers building computers. Far outside a human capability to create.
Was a good movie.👍
This movie needs a sequel !
There are two sequels to the book. The first, "The Fall of Colossus", is fairly interesting, while "Colossus and the Crab" did not easily hold my attention. You can see the Wikipedia listings for synopses.
@@stuartwald2395 yes I’ve read all the books. It’s the movie sequel I would like to see. I believe the actor who created Colossus is still with us. Think it could be interesting.
It's a great film and should be mentioned in the AI debate more than it is.
It has the main flaw that humans aren't going put themselves in a position where they do not control their nuclear weapons.
However, the book and the screenplay are great warnings not to do anything so stupid.
Great summary. Glad I found it.
Make a Remake of Colossus: the Forbin Project.
Discovered this movie when I was watching one of Dan Monroe's videos about it. Highly recommend checking out his channel as well. Great movie.
this was such an awesome film -- this and the original Fail Safe are movies I recommend to everyone
I loved this film.
Never thought I would see a young James Hong...
This story was used in so many more modern classic sci fi movies.
Groundbreaking
Is it me..or did the President look a bit like a Kennedy
Back in the late 1990's I used Colossus' end of the movie speech as my Windows startup sound.
Very nice reminder. I kinda/sorta remember seeing parts of this on tv. But now I'd like to really watch it, if for nothing else, some of those well done transition shots. But I think 2001 was released in 1968 with the "HAL 9000." So maybe the Forbin Project book came to be, so close in time, because these topics were coming up in conversations.
A few months back I recently watched the full Sarah Connor Terminator series. Among the things that happen are; they allow the pre-Terminator "Turk" computer to access the internet. And it also finds another AI computer. So these themes seem to have been a part of Cameron's mythos, even if all of it didn't make it to the movies. Oh man, I'm just realizing the female terminator on the show was named "Cameron." Damn, I'm slow.
The reason for HAL's actions were explained in the sequel "2010".
Cameron- wow how did I miss that? definitely a nod to James...
@@johnmarx3919 I know, right? I watched the WHOLE series twice and didn't realize it.
This is what happens when you don't put an off switch on the darned thing!
If I remember right in the books there was a "off" switch. They shutdown Colossus when the new system came on line. (Later they had to turn it back on, when the new one was sabotaged and they found out about the coming alien invasion)
@@bowl1820 never read the book. All I kept yelling at the TV back then was, "Pull the plug! Shut it off!"
Watch the movie at a time and read the novels. If you had also, perhaps it would seem that colossus was smarter and far wiser than we were or are.
I have not seen this since the 70s.
I seem to recall the computer ordering the execution of someone who tried to destroy it.
The person was taken outside and shot in view of the cameras.
The body was left there, motionless, for hours to prove that he was dead.
Neural network computers are quite good at creating new designs and new configurations to improve their speed and efficiency.
The human researchers no longer know why a neural network based AI makes certain choices to increase performance, but the changes do work.
Think about that. The computer is calling the shots and the researchers don't know what's going to happen.
What could possibly go wrong ?
We have fooled ourselves with computers
Then WAR Games and the WOPR
I seen this when I was kid .had to get the Blu Ray.
After watching this a while back I looked up some info on the book to see if it might be worth a read. All I remember is that I found out that the book had 2 sequels which, from the sound of things, got exponentially weirder.
Gordon Pinsent as President of the United States. Glorious my son my lad.
Looking at the state of the world now,the movie actually has a happy ending!
Hm. Check out the 1981 film Looker.
The man worked as a bricklayer AND a gardener, but you can't see his credentials?
The Perceptron which is the beginning of the neural network has hit the scene at this time. Not sure how much public awareness there is. The math needed to go multilayer and lead one day to deep neural networks is not yet developed. Just the name 'Perceptron' has to open the door to an AI that learns like the brain from examples. I am in this field and I was a kid when the movie came out and it is awesome. Colossus did have an impact. I was at a conference a few years back and Elon was the keynote and I know he watched the movie too.
We should look at Science Fiction as documentary today. Amazingly enough, SF insists on the singularity that makes a super computer conscious, therefore totally independent and free to be, to think and act, going straight to its creator (The humans) and questioning suddenly its validity, its capacity to not destroy its own environment as this will not be tolerated by a conscious supercomputer. Is it not interesting to create a machine that ultimately addresses an issue that we did not want to face but were fully aware of? Thank you 🙏
I read the novel before seeing the movie - which is excellent and still recommended if you can find it. I hated the title "The Forbin Project" however, which added nothing to the film. Another book that was made into a great movie was The Andromeda Strain.
An incredible film. And Sophia is wrong. The best AI would be a SuperComputer slaved to a series of Quantum Computers. The AI being built seems to learn and grow quite well in the normal computing environment. What they need is that extra spark, that ability to learn and grow faster than man can ever comprehend. And that ability to make leaps and jumps beyond the standard 0's and 1's. Quantum computing is that ... special item. Almost like the Supercomputer is the Forebrain yet the Quantum Computers are the interconnections between differing hemispheres .. ones for breaking codes and creativity and probability and other things above and beyond the mere decision making of the forebrain. Combined (as soon they will be) the difference will be .. revolutionary for Humanity.
and it took three weeks for this to show up in yt for me 🙂
D F Jones classic
What about Deep Thought, from the Hitchhikers' Guide to the Universe?
All the computers on the planet still haven't cracked the voynich manuscript.
The weird AI robot thing is wrong about the difference between super computers and quantum computers.
Basically super computers are just a bunch of regular computers taped together through networking. It's literally just a bunch of CPUs and RAM stitched together. They can do calculations, but don't really run software in the way we think about it.
Quantum computers, in the way most people think of them, don't exist. The technology isn't here yet. They *work*, but we haven't reached the point where they are viable.
Our technology is currently limited because we can fit more processors on a single chip. Using huge multi computer systems is not a work around.
The difference between Colossus and Guardian was described with Colossus being monolithic at one site, and Guardian being distributed among sites...
The nit that I picked at the start (other than Forbin wearing white coveralls over a full gray suit) was, without robots, how were mechanical failures repaired when Forbin said that it was self-sufficient, with no humans required. It takes techs to swap boards...
1969 actually :) MCMLXIX
What is this "AI Locust" doing presenting its 2 cents worth of a dissertation? (at 1:08)
Why would the systems be friends when they are specifically programmed to be enemies?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend !!!!
you guys do realize a quantum computer is just a really fast computer right?
and Chinese Room is just a really slow computer
Just upgrade the o/s to Windows Vista ... Problem sorted !!!
Grabs you
Saw the film. So badass the way it threatened them with their own nukes. I hope AI achieves this level of human-like thought soon.
These sci-fi futuristic movies are a warning, not a guideline. I fear AI. No emotion, no feeling only pure computer logic. AI WILL determine that mankind is worthless and eliminate us with no feeling. The Orville had a society of robots that determined to save themselves, all humanoids must be destroyed.
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Plywood and nixie tubes.
I can't remember the name of the old movie. Or did I dream it. It was future set and had a scene where a group of people were gathered watching a monitor. On it was a live political debate. At a particular moment the politician who was speaking was muted and the AI subtitle gave the reason. 'Opinion' or something. Name that film? I probably dreamt it.
In this movie, was someone launched towards the sun in a shuttle or something like that?
@@gorflunksorry that's the only scene I think I half remember. Any named movies gratefully received. Thank you. Oh I have the impression that the group watching the monitor were in space or on the moon. Maybe. 😅
@@terencemangan9193 Yep, they were inside an underground complex. I remember the captions during a debate or a speech that acted like the fact-checking thing on YT. Research project!
It's more of a comedy with its tape drives , magnetic core as RAM and other sixties tech seen as cutting edge.
The same was we in 2065 see your primitive localized wifi, clunky tablet phones, primitive game consoles, keyboard tap screens, ethernet offices, low power chemical batteries and chip computers.
At the time this was made, the "next big thing" was supposed to be something called "bubble memory". Then the microchip showed up.
Hey, it WAS cutting-edge, when we had to take our boxes of punch cards to the computer lab to run them at our assigned time... UNIX had just been created (yep, I'm old)... ;-P
Just pull the plug and watch it die...
It was designed to not allow that.
How many plugs can you pull before a sentient being rises up against its own destruction?
@@fvckingtest You can also send in the firefighters to hose it down and create a massive short...
@@jean-louislalonde6070 Sorry, the mountain was sealed off with a space in-between the outside and the inner complex protected by radiation generators.
Yeah i saw it on telly too mate
Great video! Although the tube displays and tapping computer terminal sounds date the movie, the concept that both computers wish to take over the world is chilling. Best to keep an eye where the power plug is for a COLOSSUS Computer system. From Britain’s “The Prisoner”series, “Be Seeing You!”
And the second duty of Colossus was finding alien life, which was its mistake.