The Shocking Fire Of Swissair Flight 111 | Mayday S1 EP3 | Wonder
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- Swissair Flight 111 was a scheduled international passenger flight from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City, United States, to Cointrin International Airport in Geneva, Switzerland. This flight was also a codeshare flight with Delta Air Lines. On 2 September 1998, the McDonnell Douglas MD-11 performing this flight, registration HB-IWF, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean southwest of Halifax Stanfield International Airport at the entrance to St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia.
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It's so incredible how they can analyze every fragment of the wreckage and reconstruct it to figure out what happened. It's literally a plane autopsy and it's fascinating
I wonder would so much work have been done if this crash happened in america
@@patriciaramsey5294 of course it would be. It has to be done no matter where in the world it happens it is always done
100% agreed
Men are very capable to a point it truly amazes people when they stop and think. The modern world isn't possible without us.
Well thats their job. You act like you just came from the Stoneage.
The retired air traffic controller sounded so sad talking about this. I'm glad he realised there was nothing he could've done to prevent this. I hope he's doing alright.
Same here
Very tough job at times. Also it’s one of the highest paid federal government jobs.
Yeah, the only possible way for them to have survived would have been to ditch the plane as soon as they realized they needed to land. Even then, they still may not have made it. Ofc, they had no way of knowing how bad the fire was or how fast it would spread until it was just too late.
He looked damaged by this
He is an actor real controller could have behaved different who knows
I can’t help but think about the second pilot who was still alive one minute before impact. The stress. I know he tried his best. RIP all of them.
Rest In Peace to my grandpa who died on swissair 111, I didn't get to know him because of this tradgey but he will forever be remembered. RIP To all other victims of this crash and thank you to the first responders
I'm sorry for the loss of your grandpa. Hope you are doing ok.
So sorry dear
I'm sorry bro much love ❤️ to you
I'm terribly sorry..❤️
What was his name?
That poor air traffic controller is devastated. I can’t imagine what he must feel.
I hope that he was given counseling for his PTSD which seems to me that he would have.
When he said that he "dreamed" of it I would say nightmares. I watch TheFlightChannel but these here are really more determined with real people as in the three or more actors.
@@marthahanley6650 Thanks Martha for sending out your care. Hope he sees it. God Bless All.
He has made public statements about his PTSD. Now he helps other ATCs after critical incidents.
The one that gets me the hardest is the ATC who was murdered by the Russian because of a midair collision. The actor for the ATC screaming in pain after seeing two radar markers collide makes my soul hurt.
He should always be blamed for it
As a private pilot, nothing frightens me more than fire at altitude. If i smell the slightest waft of smoke, I'm descending Vne RIGHT NOW.
Survivors 0
@@tdickensheets oh! I didn't feel the need to explain, Thomas Dippinshits, i reduce to approach speed near the ground. Why is there always somebody like you?
could not agree more with you as some 1 looking at the situation from outside , am i right to say if they had directly gone for landing immediately at the first hint of a smell of smoke .. they would have all lived ,
But for commercial flights, is it mandatory to dump fuel before landing? And why don't those huge planes are built with automated fire extingushing system?
@@Aamir1Sohail Generally, dumping fuel is not for fire prevention cuz the fumes that remain are more explosive than the fuel, i think. Dumping fuel is for reducing the weight in case of a quick return to the airport, i think. Dumping fuel takes time a most fires don't wait, i think.
I'm glad Bill decided to share his side of what happened even though it seems difficult for him to talk about. He has a unique perspective and really helped tell the stories of those who passed away.
Yes....that struck me too. The man has had a very long nightmare dealing with that very short period of time which ended in catastrophe.
Take care Bill.... You did what you could.... I salute you.
@@patagualianmostly7437 exactly. their jobs are not easy. very few can do that job effectively. he was responsible for a lot of planes landing safely.
I’m glad that he found a way to be at peace with what happened.
Bill looks like the type of bloke you'd like to have as a close neighbor.
I was out there that night, I will never forget that feeling
I live in Moncton. This flight feels like yesterday.
On a side note, I was in Peggy's Cove last weekend and was out on a boat. I asked how far out it was. And found out another piece was found last month. In 2022, still finding pieces.
Maybe, it's worth money.
@@stephendacey8761bro 💀
@@stephendacey8761 You could get arrested for theft of government property if you kept it or sold it. If you find a piece in a wrecked or crashed plane or anything that occurred in a disaster, you should report it, don't touch it, follow instructions, document it, wait for guidance, and most of all not keep it.
@@stephendacey8761 dude, have some moral.
The old saying, "where there's smoke there's fire".
When there's fire at 33,000 feet it's an emergency.
First hint of smoke, even if it is only fleeting and appears to disappear after a few minutes: get that plane down to the ground ASAP, get the passengers out safely and have the entire plane checked over by engineers to pinpoint the cause of the smoke. There should be NO smoke inside an airplane. A bit of inconvenience caused to passengers because of having to divert or return to the original airport is far better than tragedy like the one in this video.
Among Chinese airlines any signals of fire are taken seriously, including even false fire alarms.
Landing due to false fire alarms has happened on Air China, China Eastern, and China Southern.
@@garycard1456 agree 100% land immediately at first slight hint of smoke
@@garycard1456 But it was a common occurrence that happened regularly with the a/c. I don’t see your reasoning, I’m fine if your landing because of an emergency, but not because your overly cautious or ignorant. You don’t have to blame the crew for this, they did every procedure and checklist.
@@ytxmobile When you are confined to an aluminium cylinder at 30,000 feet altitude, is better to be overly cautious and take no chances when it comes to smoke.
"Flammable materials do not belong on commercial aircraft"
Two hundred and twenty nine people died to teach the aviation industry this lesson. Nobody figured this out before. Wow.
You should read about the Apollo 1 fire. Same problem.
@@BollocksUtwat That was a horror. Those poor guys.
@@paulamarentette695 They were sealed in the capsule from the inside and had to use tools to try and escape. It was insane. They never stood a chance.
As the head of Mission Control during the Apollo says said, he believes they basically murdered those men through the dangers they exposed them to. Pretty serious stuff.
It is ironic that material passed the test.
hola va mas alla de darse cuenta, yo trabajo con gente y la gente suele hacerse la tonta, algunos por inters economico, otros por porfiadez , te dicen que "nunca paso nada" , o te dicen " no te metas" ... o creenque vos queres hacer negocio cambiando algo ......hay muchas actitudes de el ser humano que son un desastre.
muchas cosas la gente SE DA CUENTA , Y asi y todo se niegan a hacer algo y cuando pasa un accidente se hacen los tontos....
es el ser humano, es asi , es triste, pero es asi.
My forensic anthropology professor missed the first few weeks of classes in the fall of 1998 because the RCMP needed her on the shores of Peggy's Cove to identify human remains. From how she described it, I'm surprised that there was even one body found in-tact because when she arrived back at the university and we saw her in class she told us a lot about her experience and I'll never forget one of the things she said: many pieces she identified were mere shards and splinters of bone. She said that the plane hitting that fast literally broke those poor people up incredibly badly. The only solace is that they wouldn't have been in any pain - she said that kind of death is so incredibly fast that they wouldn't have felt a thing.
Wow. So sad.
That does offer a strange comfort to know that they didn’t suffer in the end. I am so terribly saddened for the lives lost and their loved ones.
Whoa. I can’t even wrap my brain around how bodies can break up like that.
Major respect for the people who analyzed million tiny pieces to figure out what happened. Im just grateful that they didn't give up after like 2 months and kept going
Why would they give up? In the western countries (Europe, USA) there are aviation accident agencies that do jobs like these and they get paid for it.
Residents of St. Margaret's Bay took to their boats immediately after hearing the crash, searching the waters. I'm not sure why this omission of the efforts of the residents happened but I have read that many were greatly affected by what they saw that night. One fisherman recovered the body of a toddler. Others recovered personal items identified by family and many of the residents met the 111 families and established friendships that continue to this day. A small comfort of connection in a heart breaking tragedy.
Do you mean the residents of Peggy's Cove? St' Margaret''s Bay is some distance away from where the plane went down.
I’ve read about that as well- or watched something that included it. Very touching that a community between the different groups was established almost immediately - bonded by tragedy as soon as that first boat was put in the water.
FWIW, also interesting from a sociological perspective!
As did your mom, her being used to following the Navy men
@@MajesticalHonky Peggy’s Cove is on one side of the bay, Bayswater, where another memorial is, is on the other. Entrance of the bay between these points goes out to where the crash site was.
Many things are omitted from shows like these. One of the main factors is the accident itself. They only want to make an episode about the well known, positive outcome, or very old crashes to not scare the general public away from flying on planes. Flying is not at all safe and the multi-trillion Dollar per year industry wishes to keep this lie going. Many people have died in plane crashes and there are hundreds of things that can go wrong. When your engine fails on your car, you pull over on the side of the road. When both engines fail on a plane, you have a 90% chance of death or serious injury. Stark contrast of outcomes.
RIP to my friend Kyrstal Saugy .you never made it to Switzerland
Rest in peace
☮️ ✌🏼 🕊
Was she a friend?
@@veggiedisease123 read the comment again
RIP Krystal ♥, So sorry. Hope you are doing well. She is watching you from the other side.
I met Ian Shaw here in Nova Scotia. Since this show was made, he left Nova Scotia and joined his wife in retirement in Spain. The restaurant still operates and bears his name. There’s something about standing by that monument.
Was on a Swiss flight a few weeks ago and got to know one of the flight attendant who also worked for Swissair starting in the early 1990s. Said he knew the crew of 111. Still devastated 23+ years later
My brother was deeply affected by this crash. His naval ship, the HMCS Ville de Québec was docked at the Port of Halifax and was the first ship to arrive on the scene that night. He spent 12 hours in the darkness and cold picking up bodies and wreckage out of the water. Most of the crew members suffered PTSD following that sad incident. Just visiting the beautiful SR 111 Peggy's Cove Memorial erected over Indian Harbour, you can feel the sadness that lingers there.
Omg, should be a hell on Earth.
I do not mean to sound crude but how could the bodies been intact?
@@markrenton1093 I never mentioned that they were intact. and that there were children too. This isn't the place to mention those details.
@@GaisSacredCreations , it crashed at an astounding 350 g's if that is possible.
@@markrenton1093 In the words of a coroner from an article who worked on victim identification for this accident, "What bodies?"
This show is so good....I literally never want to fly again
Thanks to this show I understand why its safe to fly.
That's a pretty stupid conclusion
Yes
@@thisaccounthasbeensuspended suspended !!!lol, maybe but fender benders or roll overs usualy have all passengers survive.
There is no fender bender on a plane flying down
Hahaha
My Best friend has a cabin out near St. Margaret's Bay. Last time I visited him he took me to the Swiss Air memorial site. Beautiful and heartbreaking. As we were looking out over the water, we saw a giant rainbow overhead. I couldn't help but cry.
I'm from Nova Scotia and I remember this day like yesterday. It was devastating for all involved, knowing what those poor passengers and crew suffered and the trauma of those who worked in the recovery and investigation.
"...By the book approach cost them their lives" ... same people that would say "he deviated from the book costing them their lives"
I can't think of anything they did wrong. It sad that they just did not have any time left considering the speed at which the fire spread.
You really can't please those kinds of people
But thats a sad fact, i dont think he blamed the pilots for following the book
The pilots not understanding the gravity of the situation cost them their lives.
@@33moneyball yeah, but they couldn't understand it
I was at Peggy's Cove last year. It is a truly beautiful place. A policeman there told me that artifacts from the accident still come on shore at times. That just a few days earlier a wallet from one of the passengers showed up brought in by the tide.
This reads like something an NPC would say to you in Pokémon
@@hfifm HELP
💔✝🙏🌸
I am also planning on going is there anything to do there?
@@shieevpalpaitine5134 The beach is fantastic
The idea of a fire starting like that on a airplane is terrifying
Ian Shaw is still alive and well, he featured in a german documentary on the incident of Swissair Flight 111. He is now 84 years old...
"initially a small cockpit fire..."
There is no such thing as a small fire on an airplane!
I agree. There is no such thing as a small fire.
"Small" as in hidden and contained as long as the circulation fans kept running.
i agree. outrageous on how the pilots reacted. all the blame it s on them
@@LoneWolf_RO You have no idea what you're talking about.
Well technically. One time on Alaska airlines one of the stewards accidentally put foil in the microwave and it caught fire and extinguished it immediately. Id say thats a small fire. Also, it was a breakfast burrito wrapped in paper and then in foil and it was the paper that actually caught fire. He was mortified and so embarrassed that all us passengers felt for him. He apologized to each of us individually as if he had slapped our mothers 🤣 he was such a sweetheart.
I live in Nova Scotia and I was 8 years old when this happened we were staying out at a cottage in Peggy's cove and I'll never forget that sound of that plane hitting the water. When I'm stressed out or upset about something when I sleep I dream about that Bang. I feel for the families who lost.
Thanks for sharing that story. It must be such an eerie feeling knowing you were there.
@@jaimhaas5170 I was in bed but my mom saw the plane flying low then min later we heard the boom. She called 911 but they all really knew. The local Fishman were the first out to look for survivors. Unfortunately there were no survivors. I have traveled alot and I my be bias but the Nova Scotia coastline is one of the most beautiful coast lines with some of the most welcome people in the world. I know these things don't mean terrible things can't happen there but it just seems so out of place for such a peaceful area. The province of Nova Scotia has built a place for love ones to remember the family and friends who they have lost.
@@LLandS18 I’m glad you enjoy NS so much! It’s a beautiful province and the people are very friendly! I had multiple friends in the Navy who responded immediately and saw horrible tragic things that night and suffered severe ptsd.....
Never agine will I Fly
Thanks for sharing so sad 😞
As a pilot all I can say is that a fire in-flight is one of the most terrifying emergencies a flight crew can face. In this instance, doubly so as the smoke and fire were in the cockpit. When they lost the electricals and the pilot was overcome with smoke the flight was doomed. The crew did everything they could have done. R.I.P.
So much respect for the air traffic controller for taking part in this ❤️
I feel so bad for the atc. He is at no fault, still he feels so guilty and insecure.
nah... he is guilty and to be blamed for
@@TopAhmed1 How is he guilty?
True and it wasn't his fault. Being calm and in control is great which is very commendable of the pilots but failing to communicate smoke in the cockpit and the fact that they couldn't see instruments was beyond calm, it was ineffective communication.
@@adriangurges8244 you're talking about a different person then those guys are.
@@nonnaurbisness3013 Do you mean firefighters? Well i mean when your Christmas tree Burns you Just Need a fire extinguisher. And every Plane has one on Board.
I will never forget that day. That summer I flew for the first time in my life and I was pretty scared. My parents told me over and over that Swiss Air is very safe with great pilots and the MD11 was a very safe plane. We returned from our vacation on September 1st, 1998. The next day this crash happened.
😳😖.
@@marlonquintana3466 suddenly things are very close
This summer?- that would be 24years ago girl but I’m glad your sfae
@@gab1606 sorry, meant "that summer"
Don't use the Entertainment system
Fun Fact: At 4:40 if you look closely, that's the overhead panel of an Airbus A320/330/340 cockpit. This same panel was used in an earlier episode of MAYDAY called Flying On Empty. The panel is supposedly there to represent "circuit breakers". This is what happens when you work in aviation folks..you pick up the small details!
Does it drive you crazy when they get details wrong, like the infamous scenes where the narrator says one "found at crash site" airplane part, but they shows another? 😂
It saves on money for their budget when making these videos. I saw them recycle a woman pilot who died in a USAir MidWest flight 5481 crash, be brought back to life, and get used again for a ValueJet flight in 1996, and ended up getting killed once more when it crashed in Everglades.
@@kevinmalone3210 once you watch enough of these you start to recognize the same actors. There's one guy who plays a terrorist in one episode and a captain of a flight in another, lol.
Even so, these documentaries are excellent and riveting to watch
@@kevinmalone3210 😂😂
This is an excellent produced documentary of Swiss Air Flight 111. I was at Peggy's Cove a few years after this tragic accident and it made me so emotional, it's so sad. If only the pilots had made contact with air traffic earlier in the flight, the moment they smelled the smoke, perhaps they would have made a successful emergency landing. I have flown domestically and internationally many times, and I still have a terrible fear of flying. I wish this crash had never happened.
It is always easier to blame those that no longer have a voice.
The fire wasn't the fault of the crew. They did everything they were trained to do.
@@twistedyogert but think about it, the moment there was smoke, they were just doubting that the smoke was nothing. The moment they smell smoke on deck, they have to declare emergency, before anything worse can happen.
True
@@mereja108 No, it was a common occurrence therefore dismissed, they only decided to divert the plane when the smoke started to fill the cockpit with fire. They did everything they were trained to do including checklists and other procedures. It’s okay to be cautious, but it’s never okay to be over-careful and ignorant.
@@quaxky326 true, but in this case, this situation was really bad
You can see the guilt and sadness in the air traffic controllers eyes. I bet there’s not a day that goes by where he doesn’t think about this devastating tragedy.
Fun fact: On the CVR, if you put it in slow motion, the last words from the first officer was “Hello?”
@@DMVRailfan maybe that's after being unconscious for a moment
ATC was way too casual and careless.
@@user-hj5kq6xg9c
I originally thought the same thing, but then I decided, the captain of the plane is responsible for all the decisions, regardless of what ATC says...HIS decision is final.
@@user-hj5kq6xg9cso you’d rather have them panic got it. When u get a job in hospitality you’ll learn u have to remain calm in situations
The retired air controller guy probably saved a lot of lives by having the plane crash in the water - by the sounds, it was always doomed to go down and it would have been even more horrific if it had been on the land 😭
I actually just worked on the memorials for crash today (maintenance such as pressure washing etc.) and reading the names of the victims and then watching this show has been quite surreal. My condolences goes out to all the families of the victims and for the rest of the time I’m working on these memorials I’ll keep them in good shape
Ok, now I understand why Mr Beveren was so irritated when he spoke about the entertainment system being newly incorporated into the Swiss planes. What a horrible event that happened. The pilots experienced hell and I admire their composed attitude.
The IFE system was a new thing then.
Totally agreed. I also think it's absolutely incredible that they kept the pane flying for a full 6 minutes after the fire had burned through the cockpit electrics. 6 MINUTES!!! So sad they didn't make it in the end 😢
This flight was supposed to be my father's flight before his ticket was rerouted. He never told us before, until he safely arrived home. He passed away on 2012.
In 2012 but I'm so sorry to hear your loss
@@florjanbrudar692 thanks dear , we still missed him so dearly. He did told us about some bad rumor regarding this flight.
@@TheLavennovell What rumour did your dad tell you guys???
That was a very close one! Sorry for your loss.
sorry for ur loss plane crashes are horrible
The passengers never knew that they were in such a dire situation until probably a minute before they crashed into the water. So tragic
or better that they were unaware
Better they were unaware, they didn’t have time to panic. They just got on a plane, had a diversion, and then nothing
Honestly it’s good they hopefully didn’t know what was happening
One of my friends' mom was a flight attendant on Flight 111. I never knew the whole story until now that I watched the video. It must be so horrible losing a loved one in an instant, knowing that they will never come back...
every time i see a different rendition of this incident, i always have a small feeling of hope that the plane will be able to land safely, even though we all know it doesn't. very sad for all of those involved.
But rest assured that whoever investigates a crash , many times over , will publish a final report _ pilot error
Me too!!! It's wild how we know how it will end and still wish it to be safe.
@@andrewdias478 .p
@@harindranathk300 They should have taken the smoke more serious and landed the plane ASAP . I just cant think what was going on in their minds .
@@larrysproul9424 It was stated in the doc that the plane wouldn’t have reached the the closest airport before the fire spread. It was doomed from early on.
That poor Dad was still grieving at the time of this documentary. Bless him and his business.
Shaw's Landing is doing well for itself - average 4.5 stars on Tripadvisor. Apparently they've changed owners since then
i think no parent ever truly stops grieving, they just learn to live with it.
A wound to the heart more often than not, will never heal.
There is a german documentary on youtube about swissair 111.His daughter wasn't suppose to be on that flight.A tennis player, Marc Rosset is his name,cancelled his ticket and stephanie shaw took his place.Fate plays painful games sometimes
@@dimitriskotsks389 WOW!
Every time I watch one of these episodes, even though I've seen it a dozen times before, I can't help but think "maybe they'll make it this time."
I have watched this very episode at least 7 times, and each time I imagine how hopeless the pilots felt in the last minutes.
May all passengers and crew rest in peace 💔, they left us early and went directly to heaven.
Maybe it is late, but I share my condolences to all the affected (one way or another) by this tragedy.
You can give credit that whilst the pilots knew after a certain point that the plane was going to crash and that they’d die, they also didn’t give up trying to do everything in their power to hold on as long as they could.
The sad thing is that not everyone goes to heaven, only if you have been saved by Jesus Christ and accepted Him into your heart, one can only hope that there was passengers on this flight that were saved.
@@charlestidwell5361 So if you imagine that you have an imaginary friend you will be ok? I imagine that the OP was just trying to be nice and you had to take it there
@@charlestidwell5361 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 a religious fanatic... surprise surprise
@@MrLabtec70 one day you will meet Jesus face to face and there will be no second chances , pray for the Lord to open up your heart, God bless you and your family.
My mam nearly took that flight .... we talked so much about it .... tears are coming to my eyes ......
And I remember she had taken that flight the year before because it was so convenient, direct to Geneva ....
I feel appreciative for you and your mumma that she didn't take that flight
There are few cues that indicate possibility of underlying and predestined causes. Was this during the Clintons` presidency?
@@jzk3919 wtf
GODS BLESSING HE IS PROTECTING YOUR MOM (sorry if you don’t believe in god, I’m just glad your mom is okay)
Lies
Perhaps the most terrifying episode so far that I've seen...the fact that a flight crew could do everything right and still spell doom for all aboard, it gives me chills. The kind of temperament the pilot's exhibited might have been their downfall in this specific circumstance, but it's exactly what you would hope for in a flight crew. Who knows what other disaster could have occurred if they panicked? Truly a nightmare scenario.
It's so scary to think. That while a fire is raging behind him. Smoke taking over the cabin. The captain probably dead behind him in the smoke. His body being burned alive by the flames. That the 1st Officer kept the plane in the air and did the best he could during his final moments. The amount of pain he must have endured as he turned off the engine. Alone. In the dark. He's a hero too. He did his best given the situation more than would have been able to. Somehow fighting through what must have been unbearable pain with the corpse of his fellow pilot somewhere in the dark of the cabin behind him while he struggled in vain to keep all those people alive.
They didn’t do everything right! If he told him about the fuel dump sooner it might have given them the precious time they needed to survive. Should have just dumped it over Halifax
The japan airlines flight was chilling as well. The pilots tried everything to control that plane for half an hour, but it was literally impossible
@@vincentm.7462 no matter what they did, they would not have made it to Halifax. They might have had an attempt at ditching the plane, but it would have likely resulted in massive loss of life.
see germanwings crash some years ago, also very terrifying.. or alaska airlines crash
I have visited the memorial for Flight 111 in Nova Scotia. My friend's cousin was on the plane. This was an absolutely incomprehensible tragedy. As someone who travels overseas regularly, this crash is never far from my mind.
My dad was an airline pilot for 35 years. Over 14 million miles without an incident.
Feel safe when you fly. It is tremendously safe, largely because of investigations like this one. Accidents are becoming vanishingly rare in the west.
Thank you for the reassuring words.
I lived in st Margaret’s bay. My Dad was in the navy and the stories of the aftermath clean up of the crash still hurt my heart till this day. So many men had to pull out of the water things they could’ve never imagined. Rest In Peace to all souls lost. If anyone around the world visits Halifax, please make a point to visit the memorial of Swiss air 111.
Been there, visited the church of Peggy's Cove, drove all the way from Manitoba to Nova Scotia and back. MS
After visiting the graves of the people who were aboard the Titanic. Same kind of thing one hundred years apart.
I can't even begin to imagine what your dad and others went through that night. My heart goes out to all rescuers everywhere. They have to witness the unimaginable horrors that many of us are blessed not to witness.
@H Sh Yes, its a bit further down from the famous lighthouse. About a half hour drive from where I live in Halifax.
God rest all lost
The amount of pieces they had to put back together is insane. This one is especially horrific.
Impact of 350 G's broke the plane into 3 million pieces. The end was instantaneous for the passengers although they were aware the plane was going down. I agree this is especially horrific for a lot of reasons. Swiss air went down too.
and now think of the Malaysian airlines B777 ...they saying that mashine is intact max 3 big peaces bottom of the Indian Ocean
if goes down like Switzerland many peaces have to be find
but peaces even language not find .....so he ditched the airplane !
@@2vintage68 Yes. Out of business.
I served in the Canadian Navy a few years after this and heard stories of what the responders encountered. It was grisly. People forget that the same thing that happened to the plane happened to the passengers.
True that. If there is an upside, it is that their deaths were quick and not, (aside from the crew) by fire.
What an amazing job they did of piecing this together. Imagine if they give up halfway because it was so large a job? I wish more disaster investigations were handled like this.
I vividly remember this. I lived in Halifax at the time. A friend of ours was down Chester way, not too far from Peggy's Cove. He heard the explosion and called us, saying what he heard. Devastating. Absolutely devastating. The memorial at Peggy's Cove for the souls lost is a somber, but beautiful spot.
May all those souls rest in peace.
My biggest fear as a pilot will always be getting a call from the crew stating we have smoke in the cabin espcially of unknown origin
Don't fear, only be wise and alert. If u face such a things in ur life instead of continu the flight, find a better place for landing it. Thank u
Or having them get on the intercom only to hear "Pull Up, Terrain - Pull Up, Terrain" over and over in the background, at night while cloudy
If this happens to you, I hope you have a copilot with you who can then stand up and assist the flight attendants to find the origin of the fire ( while you can continue to calmly lead the plane to its destination)
Thank you for uploading the full thing without any BS "pay-to-watch-more" kinda things, Wonder CZcams intern.
Facts
Agreed
An intern is a student who works in his field to gain experience, often without pay. Are you sure that's what you mean?
@@MargaritaMagdalena who asked, Margarita
@@Britt4ny I did.
I remember reading about the crash in the newspaper. It was very sad. RIP to all the passengers and flight crew of Swissair 111.
My brother and his wife were on that exact same plane 14 days earlier. She picked Swissair because they had a great safety record, and hadn't had a crash in a long time. I told her jokingly that I would pick an airline that just recently had a crash. I told her that Swissair was due for one,. At the time, I said it in a facetious manner...
So actually pick one that recently had one! They are sure to be extra extra cautious! ✈️
After watching these videos' I have immense respect for all the pilots who fearlessly have devoted themselves in service of the people. Hats off to all these great hero's.
But the investigators put cause as pilot error especially if the cockpit crew are no more
You are right bc as many times as it all goes great it only takes one time for it to all go wrong and they never know. Just as we never know getting into our cars BUT most the time we have better chances of walking away from a car crash.
The pilot was the one to cause this tragedy if he was still alive i would throw him in prison he killed 229 people because he wanted to seem smarter than his co pilot who told him to land without dumbing fuel but pilot insisted to go away ftom the airport to dumb fuel which lead to this horrible tragedy
It's beyond me to think how the pilot can be responsible when the particular flight system was a total disaster. They were facing an unusual situation and I am sure they tried their best to safeguard the passengers. It's highly unfortunate that the entire blame is been put on the pilot as opposed to the company who designed the aircraft
lol airplane are safer than bus. So what about bus driver.
Learning about plane crashes and incidents usually doesn’t affect me but flight 111 is terrifying. So many little things *might* have been able to save them, but at the same time, beyond the instrumental failure none of them made and obvious mistakes. terrifying
Then you should check out the Alaskan airline crash. Now those people suffered. The plane flew inverted for a while. Eye witnesses said it flipped, twisted, before it hit the ocean. Out of all the crashes I have watched that one always gets me very emotional just thinking how they suffered before they died.
Add to the fact that Alaskan Airlines not only falsified repair records but denied the Chief mechanic request to replace the part that broke and killed all those folks.
Turning away from halifax was a mistake.
@@dlobrown3673 We can say what was a mistake and what was not with the benefit of hindsight, but if you were those pilots and accustomed to some small amount of smoke from the air conditioner? Who's to say what any of us would do in that situation.
@@dlobrown3673 Also, the fact that they didn’t start coming down sooner. It sounds like it they didn’t wait so long to descend (and if they had communicated the need to dump fuel sooner) they would have been able to land so much sooner. It wouldn’t have stopped the fire but they likely would have gotten everyone off.
Wow😰 this one real chilled me to the cure, the horror of being in a tiny cockpit with a raging fire and no way to even attemp to land
I’m seriously addicted to these series
This has to be the scariest air disaster, because of how quickly everything went south. I'm a novice pilot, started flying when I could barely reach the rudder pedals, and used to be a nervous flyer when I wasn't behind the controls, and this is the only scenario that still makes me scared to fly.
Fire is no joke.
They really should’ve landed as soon as possible.The cockpit fire procedures back then were very poor.These days it’s mandatory for planes to land ASAP during cockpit fires.
@@BrooklynBalla They couldn’t. They couldn’t. They couldn’t. Did I mention that they couldn’t? It’s even stated in this very video that we both watched, that there was absolutely no way they could have landed that plane on time. What’s done is done, and that’s the reality. People need to stop coming up with random scenarios in their heads regarding this flight. You don’t land a plane every time one of your windshield wipers don’t work. There was absolutely no indication that there was a fire at first. Again, as per mentioned in this video, smell of burnt electronics or even a bit of smoke is completely normal. There was nothing that could have been done to avoid this tragedy.
@@Bheliar Finally, somebody said it. Thanks!
@@Bheliar yeah there was smoke = fire and they always land immediatly if smoke
That man who lost his daughter was so sad. I know his wife was absolutely devastated! She lost her daughter AND her husband all at one time! He just left her and moved! He said he was in the right place for the wrong reasons. Very interesting perspective. I hope both he and his ex wife find peace after losing their daughter.
THERE IS LITTLE CHANCE OF PEACE. THERE IS JUST THE ABILITY TO GO ON.
@@m.gammon212 - I think you are right!
People deal with grief differently. Some reach out to those close for support. Sadly some retreat in and push people away.
I'm not sure he is blaming the right people surely it's the company who built the plane and the standards that aloud it's use. Also Swiss air moved fast to remove it from all their planes did any other company do so. Such a tragedy.
@@carolinemaynard3288 - The company added those to the plane on their own. The rules at the time were different. A airline could add things like that without having them tested as strenuously as things are today. Today, they could never decide to add something like that without having the devices certified for the plane. Back then, they could. I think he was so caught up in his own grief that the pain was all he saw. There was a lot of blame to go around, but none of it will bring your only child back! He and his ex got a settlement, but I can guarantee you he would rather have his child. So would her mother. Her mother lost her child AND her husband.
I live in Nova Scotia and I regularly visit the Peggy’s cove flight 111 memorial.
it’s so sad what transpired on flight 111, RIP.
I find air disaster documentaries to be more intense then any other disaster documentary.
Crazy how they can literally rebuild a plane after it breaks into 3 million pieces in the ocean years later
DId you hear how cheaply they did it?? That was amazing too. I am sure that if our govt would have tried doing this the cost overuns would put it in the BILLIONS>
Glad they do - enables them to troubleshoot and suggest recommendations to prevent future crashes; also enable families to get a little more closure as to the cause and perhaps pursue a settlement with responsible parties
This is the nightmare of ADHD guys and the life opportunity of OCD ones.
@@Guizambaldi great comment!
too bad they couldn't find the $500 million in jewels and cash or Picasso's Le Peintre
I'm wondering if they ever recovered the remains of the Saudi prince or the relatives of the Shah of Iran
The only way the pilots could have contributed to that disaster was if they'd set the fire themselves. Yes, sometimes pilot error is to blame, and sometimes it's just completely out of their control.
I am virgen
@@juanpedro4083 lol
The most terryfying thing about Swiss flight 111 is that no one had made a mistake. Everyone handled the situation pristinely and yet, they still didn't have a chance.
ONLY USING CAPS FOR ME TO SEE BETTER - THE PLANE MIGHT HAVE STOOD A SLIM CHANCE IF THE PIOLETS HADN'T TRIED TO DUMP FUEL.
Or sometimes. Someone is involved with the WEF(World Economic Forum), and might know too much about their "you'll own nothing and be happy" agenda.
Swiss tennis player Marc Rosset was supposed to be on that fateful flight following his first round defeat at the US Open he changed his plans in the last minute and decided to stay in New York for another day eventually saved his life. He was very lucky not to be on that doomed flight.
I knew someone on this flight. She was a flight attendant who was traveling to Geneva on her off days to work as a translator.
What is so metal ,,the co-pilot had molten aluminium raining down from above him,,but still kept trying to fly,,the pilot had succumbed to fumes whilst fighting the fire,,worse is,,they were dead as soon as they smelt smoke,,but didnt know it,,kept calm,,fought till the end,,
Heroes, unsuccessful heroes,,RIP
Yeah both pilot seats had melted plastic from the burning upper panels that dripped down on them. Horrifying!
That was some fire. Aluminum melts at 1221▫F/660▫C.
@@twistedyogert one report said that the cockpit temperature reached 700°C at one point.
@@arvantsaraihan5777 Like I said, "That was some fire." :P
@travpoet “‘’! Yeah,.,? I agree.,!-
R.I.P Urs Zimmermann, my parents where friends with him and I knew him and his family. Thanks for uploading and remembering this tragedy.
My sincere condolences
What a sad sad shame bless all their souls
Amen
It’s crazy that an IFE would bring down a modern airliner. RIP
Do you remember what he was like as a person?
I had chills watching everything unravel so quickly and could not hold back my tears thinking about the fear, confusion and each individual's last moments of life. Between the sky and the sea, I pray they all rest in peace.
Thanks for your channel! 👍🏻Very informative and good to know!
That shot where the bin full of tiny airplane pieces is dumped onto the table is so striking. It illustrates the extent of the tragedy. Just horrible.
I feel so sad for the air traffic controller, it was out of his control that he didn't get the transmission from the pilots that they needed to do an emergency landing. The fire already burned all of the wires on-board the plane and its equipment.
Even if he had....the fuel dump would have made no difference....they would never have made the runway...check the time logs.
Hmmmm pretty much his fault he sent them back to dump fuel, he killed everyone on board doing this. He should be charged for murder
The ATC was a cause to this accident.
@@user-hj5kq6xg9cthe pilots never told him what was actually going on like he kept saying based on the info he was given he thought there was no emergency
All the hours of flying they had; each flight building some sort of information in their memory-banks, fight upon flight - and in their moment of need found there wasn't any experience to draw from! I don't think I can even imagine how that must have felt as they found nothing but darkness. I understand that loneliness, but I can't imagine how it would have felt knowing you have all those people on board - and nothing is coming forward to help you. How horrible for them!
There wasnt much they could do about the situation they were in, Bill and the pilots did their bests and put all their training into action but it was too late. May all of the people that died rest in peace by this horrific accident. May Bill also realize he did everything he could and that hes doing alright. Its truly incredible how they could figure out how and what happend by such small evidence and even after all that much was still a mystery that we can all just guess how it went down, it isnt weird that this was one of the biggest flight investigations ever.
I can only imagine what the controller went through that night not being able to do anything and the PTSD that resulted from that night. I am continually surprised that the pilots didn't just land ASAP at the first wiff of smoke. Rather be safe than sorry.
they just took off with a full load of fuel. in their mind there was light smoke so they could wait a few minutes to dump the fuel instead of a heavy landing or if it was a crash landing, a huge fire ball. also the documentary said they were way too high to land right away.
they wouldn't even have made it to the airport, or maybe even land, they would've crashed either way
PTSD??? lol ... how soft is your generation?
@@wernerfoerster3666 hundreds died under his watch. he probably faulted himself and felt guilty and horrible, it’s sad really. yes he could have had ptsd that doesn’t make him soft
@@John.0523
He wasn't in any way shape or form responsible ... comment makes no sense
I have a smoke detector that does not allow me to light a candle without going bananas. I figured a plane would have had some detection system that could give an early heads up to the pilots.
no you see...that would cost too much and cut into the airlines profit...
Your smoke detector is too close to the candle
Aircraft did and do have smoke detectors. But you can't have them everywhere. Keep in mind this is not just a lot of open space like your living room, behind the panels there are lots of small compartments, most of them too small to hold a smoke detector, and putting one everywhere + the monitoring equipment for them just drives the plane's weight through the roof. That's why you are supposed to have non flammable materials there, so that even if a wire starts to get hot, the damage is limited to that wire and maybe its direct neighbors.
Too bad they didn't really go into why that material passed the flammability test and was certified first, but then went thermonuclear on board of Swissair 111.
1998
@@Colaholiker The Mylar had gone through flammability testing in the most rigorous environment conceivable at the time. NASA has used it for years. The difference was the method of installation. It had been blessed off on for use in spaceflight, and engineers said "That's good enough for us!" The difference being, the Mylar in commercial aircraft isn't changed out every flight, NASA wasn't using 5 year old material. This incident is what proved that Mylar breaks down over a relatively short span of time and loses it's retardant capability.
The fact that the smell of smoke was considered common, is a chilling testament to the airline industry and how they're more interested in profits over safety.
Very true!
I love Nova Scotia and have been to Peggy’s Cove many times. It is such a wondrous place with breathtaking natural views and the lighthouse is an icon of Eastern Canada. It’s a fishing and tourist community with lovely people and I cannot imagine how this event impacted that community. I do believe that it is possible for an entire community to have PTSD. I haven’t been back since this event but I think it must be a peaceful and spiritual memorial site.
I think it's been determined that no matter if they started heading straight for the runway, from the altitude they were at..... it wouldn't have mattered. God I hope I'm never in a situation that no matter what I do, it's already been decided.
that’s what makes this crash so terrifying. there’s nothing the pilots or ATC could have done
@@theblueclue3843 If I were in that same situation, I'd hope they would be able to say the same thing about me, they fought it all the way down, they never gave up.
The real truth is that we are all living that scenario right now. Our fates are already decided! Just sayin.
If it was daytime there would've been an option of VFR landing in captain Sully's style. But considering the weather, the uncalm waters, and the terrain around Halifax, it's unlikely it would be a good idea even during the day.
@@petemitchell9996 Agreed. They never even knew the issue was so desperately dire until it was far too late even to take desperate measures. It all happened so *quickly*.
I live in Nova Scotia. I remember when it happened. I stayed up nearly all night watching the news hoping there were survivors even though they hit the water too fast. They almost made it.
My 2 absolute worst fears are fires and plane crashes. I can’t cope! RIP all lives lost on SuissAir 111
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Thank you for uploading these episodes, i noticed that they r longer then the ones on tv that are only 45minutes and don t show ewerything
This was one of my favorite episodes of Mayday/Air Crash Investigation because they filmed the cockpit scenes like a horror film. It's like the fire was an entity just lurking and ready to strike when the pilots were the least expecting.
Horrific, just horrific. I always find tears in my eyes when Mr. Ian Shaw is speaking of the loss of his daughter. It's so tragic. Thank you for the upload.
Mr Shaw has a place here now. To be close to his daughter. The best and brightest of America and Europe were aboard that plane. Including a couple who Dr Anthony Fauci would have known. Dr Johnathan Mann and Mary Lou Clements, his wife. The top HIV/AIDS researchers. And "a Saudi Prince". His family made a donation to build the new mosque here .
@@michaelrmurphy2734 Yet he left his wife to do that. Didn't she count at all?
@@keerthivasannambiraju955 He ran the Restaurant for 8 years then sold out and moved to Spain with his new Wife.
Went to Spain after 8 years, that is correct.
But not with new wife.
He never separated from his wife Gudula and in Spain they went there together, to live out their last years together again.
His son Olivier became a doctor and worked for the Red Cross back then.
4:42-4:50 That's a beautiful gesture. It might also mean, "We are in this together." This is one of the saddest plane crash stories I know.
A round of applause for David Bamber, the narrator. The bloke is really good, and the video owes to him, in great measure, its quality..
Can you imagine there is smoke in the cockpit, but you have to do a 20 minute checklist before you land?! SMH!
Rest In Peace all of those people who sadly died in that crash that was not a good way to go
I feel the same way.
@Neal Zalagens true
@Neal Zalagens Most peaceful yet painful death, this gave me nightmares after watching it.
@@lesegoyv 😢
@Neal Zalagens nope, but they damn sure felt that fear while the fell out of the sky for 5 minutes
Even as an amateur electrical engineer, I know there are five main components to a “healthy” circuit. A power source, a load, conductors, a switch, and a circuit protection device. This IFES (in-flight entertainment system) seemed to be missing the last two. How this ever ended up in an aircraft is mind blowing.
most likely the system was rushed so 1st class would be happy with their toys and secondly the weight , I understand that thermo-protection in circuits, depending on amps/voltage/resistance vary in size and weight but when on an aircraft lite weight is always king.
@@plhebel1 making it from point A to point B is king. The loss of an aircraft plus the lawsuits that follow is the most expensive thing an airline can face.
Left out possibly on purpose?
I think adding anything, to any type-approved transport, is risky in itself: Corners will be cut. The plane was approved as "standard" then people start putting accessories on that negated the testing procedures from the manufacturers. It's bound to end in tears.
No breakers on the system? Cripes.
Wow, the airline used flammable materials in the plane....how brilliant were the minds that thought of that????
Safe and effective
I remember from my days working and McDonnell Douglas that Swiss Air would reject wire harnesses even if it had a small kink in the wires. It was sad to see such a loss of life and one of the planes I worked on go down.
MD have murdered countless people over the years. Just thinking back to the Death Can 10
The way they put that plane back together was incredible.
That father who left his old life behind to try and feel some sense of his dead daughter is one of the most touching things I have ever seen.
Doesn’t seem healthy. Unfortunate reality of life is dwelling on loss only creates more suffering for yourself and others in family. Its best to inform your family not to dwell and to “live life normally” when you know the end is near. That way they don’t feel bad about moving on. Unfortunately that wasn’t an option here
I feel bad for the wife seems like she lost her daughter and husband
Leaving your grieving wife is not touching. While a deep and desperate love for our children exists, how can we let that ruin our marriage? I'm sure its very difficult to process a death like this, but one must seek to love the people we have left.
I got to meet him at Peggy's cove Swiss Air 111 memorial I told him my story how I left to pick up my father from JFK to Rome Italy on September 2nd 1998 I had been number nine for takeoff was there 111 was number three didn't find out until I landed in Rome about the crash
@@johnuitdeflesch3593 it certainly is when you feel no sense of direction left. It is a very loving reaction to make your wife safe from all the negative pain you need to release. I have seen this in my own family up close and personal.
This was the first plane crash i ever remember hearing about, i so remember vividly seeing the white cross on TV and wondering what it meant. Switzerland was the first country I had ever heard of about because of it
I wish Bill Pickrell & His Colleague peace. There really was nothing they could do. How awful for them to live with all of this
I am relieved to know that regardless the plane could never have made it. It takes away the frustration one feels about the methodical, almost unconcerned attitudes of the pilots. I am not criticizing them in ANY WAY! They did a fantastic and heroic job. Who could keep calm, and actually read instructions while this went on. They were trained to do checklists, instead of using their instincts. So, so sad. They did EVERYTHING they were taught, to their detriment.
Honestly, as a Haligonian, and fairly regular user of Halifax - Stanfield international, our airport is in a very forest covered area, you can go straight into trees from the runway, I don't think landing with all their fuel and on fire would have ended much better
I AM criticizing the pilots, hombre. They still flying at 20,000 ft and hadn't even asked for a fuel dump yet with the airport only 60 miles away. The investigation deduced that the airplane wouldn't have made Halifax anyway otherwise pilot error would have been a contributing factor as well.
@@largebiff1743ok captain
@@largebiff1743so basically they did everything right and still wouldn’t have made it
I have ALWAYS heard about this story, about the plane crashing near Peggy’s Cove. So sad to see it played out like this. Jeez…
I'm binge watching these crash videos. It's amazing how many go down into the water. Many more than I expected.
I’m no aviation expert
But I got smoke in the cockpit
I make a straight line for the nearest runway
In this case it wouldn't have made any difference. If the crew went straight in to Halifax instead of circling to dump fuel, the only thing that would've changed is the location of crash site at 5 miles out instead of 20.
@@dynasty0019 thx.
its not that easy, brother there are procedures to be done. the fire was just rapid they did everything correct.
@@David-Zita cool. Just seems like a long time to land.
“I’d rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air
Than be in the air wishing I was on the ground.”
@@dynasty0019 Might they have made it if they were already dumping fuel enroute to Halifax ?