Testing The Latest New Waterfall Spray Booth - Plus Side By Side Comparison
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Great review Barbatos!
I have the cheaper waterfall spray booth in the video. To answer Barbatos’ questions. The fans suck the air out through the blue filter like the other foldable spray booths on the market. When I am airbrushing, I see the heavy white paint particulates fall down the waterfall and it builds up along the black filters at the bottom of the waterfall (I see white paint buildup). For the lighter paint particulates, they get sucked into the blue filter by floating past the waterfall where there is the opening along the sides (I see white paint buildup on the blue filter).
The water hose in between the clear plastic wall and the filter is pretty long. When I pull the clear wall out and downward (like a drawbridge going down), I can pull that water hose out a little more. The hose is long enough to let you pull the clear wall down and have it lay flat on the table. This allows you to freely take out the blue filter to clean or replace. You can put the clear wall back up straight and into position and the hose will just be curved and taking up a little more space behind the waterfall.
One last thing, if the water doesn’t fall perfectly down the plastic wall, you can use you finger to lead the water straight down the side of the wall. You do that to both sides and the water will fall down the entire clear wall for full coverage.
The carbon filter thing is really smart, especially for people without window access.
Discovered your channel a few days ago and i can't thank you enough for all the info. Decided to get back into modeling and your channel has helped answer so many questions from airbrushes, compressors, paint booths etc. You have made my journey much easier and for that I thank you. Happy subscriber.
Was looking for the details on the bucket system and I’m glad I got to see this video.
I hope Robot Kai sells thousands of these - Robot Kai has earned my respect and trust. Good people.
That’s a great means to capture those exhaust fumes if/when no window access is available. Thanks for showing/including it in the video.👍
thank you for elaborating the filtering. great idea. i have pretty low airflow in my booth but definitely worth to try. thanks!
Great review. Always informative.
thank you for explaining the bucket system.
Awesome review, great comparison to previously reviewed products.
This is super cool, Im a scientist in my day job and this is kind of like a miniaturized fume/biolocial hood. Really cool!
Very thorough as usual
So hearing the name Pace hit me with a feeling of a memory. Turns out that’s the paint booth I have! The older 24 mini. I met the guy who made them at Wondercon in Louisville KY some time ago and thought to myself to upgrade my janky spray booth. It’s nice to see his company is going strong, he was really proud of them and mine is still kicking all these years later.
Been out of the hobby for a long time but it’s nice to see Pace doing well.
Props to learning he is from Lousiville, KY. My home town area.
I was hoping you would review this one! Glad you did! Thanks!
Another waterfall spray booth review coming this week
Yay! New video. Love the content. I have been binge watching, I’m addicted to your channel 🎉❤
Thanks buddy 👍
Once these waterfall booths go down a little bit in price I'll jump on it. Reason being I've only had my current for under a year. But the fumes from my lacquer paints aren't dissipating as much as I'd like and leave lots of dust everywhere including on the pieces on deck for painting. Thanks for these videos!
I like the one on the right. Looks like more painting space and better lighting.
I just ordered mine, can’t wait.
This booth looks really nice, I'm going to have to look into getting one of these.
Awesome spray both! Thank you for the demonstration. 😎👍
You're welcome buddy
Great video as always... if you want to trace airflow, I use an incense stick, the thick smoke is really easy to see and it produces lots of smoke.
I've got one on pre-order now thanks to your video :)
These waterfall booths seem pretty cool! Like the filter on this one as I don't normally have a window to exhaust
Thanks!
You're welcome my friend. You guys are the best out there
I purchased the 1st booth at your recommendation. They are telling me I will see it around the 20th. Can't wait to try it!
Awesome review
You can remove the fan itself to show the inside (just lift the fan / white part up and it just sits on the seal) when you wanted to remove the metal to show the waterfall, it'll just be from the other side 😅 Also the black sponge thing in the water is to filter the paint from the pump / reservoir, paint gets stuck and tacky looking on it instead of going through the tubes and clogging it thankfully (seen some that didn't and yikes). Great video as always :)!
Thanks for sharing and the great video!
Thank you so much for all your great content! I've learned a lot from ya. I wanted to ask you if you have ever used something like rain x on needles to help with tip drying .
Super awesome spray booth
awesome......
thank you
Awesome video! Thank you! Great info on paint booths, time to think about a new one!
Got another booth test coming this week. It's the cheapest exhaust booth sold on Amazon. It's a good one for the price, $100
@@barbatosrex9473 OK cool I will wait for that one! Thank you! Glad I found your channel!
I would love to get one of these eventually. I’ve tried to find a diy one but haven’t had much luck.
Very nice and informative Vid. When comparing the suction between your pace booth and the waterfall booths, which one is greater and vents better?
I bought the one on the right, and am VERY pleased, but I will add that the plastic that the water cascades over is NOT resilient to laq thinner, or other harsh chemicals, it will frost, so I do use a non-silicone polish like you do to ease clean-up, and use alcohol or acrylic thinner to clean the panel. The other panels are fine with thinners. The pull and venting is excellent, and overall maintenance is really not bad at all. Also, if you are using Rain-x or other silicone containing products in the model/paint area, how are you avoiding fish eyes? I try to avoid most all silicone products, including polishes, in the model room.
You got a dehydrate machine! Last week when I was spraying a big spill came out, at that time I know hmmm because of high humid. Thanks goodness big spill was on zaku sole, I'm not a perfectionist so let it be.
THANK You..... 'Barbatos Rex' for showing that Carbon filtration system......looks Easy enough for " Us " to build for those who don't have a window to vacate vapors.....or Wives that Won't want us to cut "their" screens on the windows!!👍👍👍
This system won't really allow you to spray inside safely, as it isn't a big enough filter to remove VOCs. I have this same setup and I might make a video to show VOC readings to demonstrate how much, if any, it helps. Problem is good VOC meters are difficult to find
@@HobbyBench Hey, 'AA III', just saw this comment, looked ya up and WOW, you already have one on your channel. Just 'Sub' your channel because You now are going the extra mile in investigating how VOCs are removed.
Thanks for the comment and reply.
@Hey_MMoe M thank you, I'm new to CZcams and my channel has a long way to go but I appreciate the support!
Safety is the most important thing so once I get a VOC scanner I'll do a full rundown on the different types of booth setups. Fume smell and vocs are very different and I think that gets lost in a lot of channels, I got eosilphic pneumonia when I was younger and it almost killed me from a chemical exposure, so it's critical to take this stuff seriously as rare weird stuff like that does happen. Luckily I got better after about 2 years
@Hey_MMoe M I just purchased a $400 NIST calibrated VOC detector, it's not a commercial unit but it will work well enough for testing various methods of booth exhaust.
I'll be testing a standard master booth (newer version with updated fans) and the kaizo/ophir mobile fort water curtain spray booth in the following configurations
- exhaust to outside under garage door
- exhaust to 5gal bucket stock
- exhaust to 5gal bucket with carbon filter
- exhaust into working space (maybe, I don't see a huge point to this other then setting a baseline)
Will take me a week or two to post this with my newborn taking up a lot of my time. If it's popular I'll buy a pace unit (with upgraded fan) and the kaizo innovation x shown in this video for testing.
@@HobbyBench HeY....Congrats!!! Take your time on that vid...........Fam First!!
And Thanks for commenting here....I'll look forward to it on Your channel. I am curious what You use your H2O-fall booth for, do you build?? Decorate??
Thank you, that answered that... Have a good day... C 😎
Thanks! for this video of "newer" H2O spray booth And how to set up C-filter
You're welcome buddy
I love love love your channel. These seem like they're out of stock right now however I will keep checking back.
You should get a small fog machine to show how much ventilation it really has.
Nice review. Seems like it would possibly increase humidity issue.
HI. So between the two do you recommend the more expensive for the suction system? But the internal dimensions seem larger in the one with the blue filter or am I wrong? Unfortunately the Italian subtitles are not accurate and I lose some things. It is also true that in Europe only the cheapest one is on sale. At least for now.
I finally got one of these preorderd I been trying to get one since you posted about this
Awesome,, let me know when you get it 👍
@@barbatosrex9473 definitely will thank you so much for the recommendation
What kind of fans do these booths have (or any of the consumer booths)? Are they inline fans where the motor is in the airflow, or are they birdcage style fans where the motor is separate?
I like that the older/cheaper one has a variable fan. At first the new one looked a lot smaller, but then seeing them side by side I guess not so much. But the older design feels a lot less cramped in the design so it just looks bugger I guess.
It's an interesting idea and I actually think that something like it would be great for a sanding booth, to capture dust.
Dspiae released a new tabletop vacuum/fan thingy called Glutton. I ordered one from them and am waiting to get it in the mail and try it out..
@@yw9686 Cool, I'll take a look! Thanks!
I got a question for you or someone. I was looking at my Mr.Cement brush inside and thought they must sell those little brushes somewhere right? If they can be bought in bulk I could make any color panel lining and use those brushes to gather the paint and be able to put it on the model piece.
Another great video! I had a question though: what is the CFM of the fan?
Great video! Basically, if you like the aesthetics and fumes are big concern spend the extra money. Otherwise go with the cheaper model since they both work great. Kind of wish they would have made the more expensive model cheaper and not included all the tacky side add-ons.
I am totally new to model painting. I too don't have an exhaust window. Looking for a video on the exhaust bucket that you displayed, thanks.
Great video. I'm not sold on it tho. I think for me I rather just make my own cause I like to have plenty of space and not be stuffed in a small area to work with. I got a ship that is about 17 inches to 20 inches long. I've worked with all kinds of smells and other fumes and I've never really had a problem. I think I go with a filter with a huge fan system or even double fans just smaller and build a booth that is wide enough for me to work in. Tho it does give me idea's to have a small shelf system for spray guns and parts and cleaner stuff right there.
Nice...it's pre-order only at the moment.
Rex, can you share a link for the dehydrator? Please, great review, keep up great videos
What size adapter at the top is the one on the right?
I would love to send you and adapter that will stop all the fumes and anything that gets past the water and filter.
Try incense sticks or cones to generate smoke for your test.
Hello there, I really enjoyed your videos and, I’d just started following you. Happy to announce I’d preordered the WaterFall booth and I’m extremely excited for it. I would like to know if you have anything recommendation with first time purchasing of a airbrush and compressor.
How you like these booths vs Peacemarker? Also where you get your dehydrator from?
You should get a mini/portable fog/smoke machine to really show off the airflow over a candle 👍
So what is better? Pace spray booth or the waterfall spray booth?
Do you change the water after every use? What did you add to the water to have it flow better? I couldn't understand at 12:10?
S O L D !!!!!
Not saying which one, but glad you mentioned both booths ..... And THANK You for showing that carbon filter set-up!!!
👍👍👍👍👍👍
A real test for any of these booths is 2K primer. It creates more dust than other paints and then how often is it required to change the water? I have read this needs to be done after every session unless you want water everywhere.
It looks nice, but how much will it cost in the long term? Will replacement parts be cheaper or last much longer than a conventional spray booth? The price is already pretty high, and these types of booths haven't been on the market long enough for me to see the reliability.
How long did you use this and how has it been performing?
Hey! Do you have a link or specifications for the exhaust pipe you purchased from Lowe's?
If you'll be testing more of these, a Halloween fog machine might be worth an investment. Can probably get one cheap in late October/early November once all the popup shops start packing up.
Does it removes as well the smell of the paint on the spoon? TIA
4:13 You know what they say, "Friends that spray together, stay together"
Barbatos, any updates on how this system is going since your initial review? As for paint fumes, has this spray booth continuously removed the fumes when using your airbrush? Please advise if you can?
do u like more then the Kaizo Waterfall Spray Booth Ver. Mobile Fort, the booth u last reviewd?
Really like these videos. Are mold and humidity increase a problem? A mask can help with overspray in your lungs but once you take it off and get the solvent vapors/smell, it only does so much. I have been exposed to so many solvents/epoxies over the years well before regulation and safety made it too expensive to do in house. It is a wonder I do not have any ill effects yet and still have a very sensitive sniffer. A paint booth/room is supposed to isolate you from the vapors with PPE, you can't really do that in your basement with these unless you have a room exhaust for lacquers/solvents, etc, also. It permeates the entire house especially if your HVAC is in the basement you are using as your paint room.
I have been searching and asking for any water based low VOC paints that are durable, but I guess people would be making videos for them if there were any. That is what I would like to find. These paints are amazing looking, but in the winter, I have nowhere to use them.
Nice spray booth. I am adding it to my wish list!
Hey barbatoes rex, I am thinking of buying either this kaizo spray booth or the pace spray booth. Which one is better in your opinion? Which one eliminates smell better and which one is deeper (size). Thanks!
I would personally recommend a Pace. I like the smaller ones they make. And you can request a more powerful exhaust fan which helps out big time removing the smell. Be sure to ask Mr Pace to install the more powerful fan. It'll cost more but worth it
Could you please say how long is the base only?
Official site has measurements, but it looks like they measured it with plastic holders.
had one more question. Why did you use a 6" to 4" inch adapter? Wouldn't you want to stick with the 6" for more airflow? or did it come with a 4" hose? I'm confused about the hose.
I believe the 4" hose is the standard one that most spray booths use. By using an adaptor he can just swap out booths as needed and use the same hose and bucket for any of them
Why did you need to put water in the blue bucket? Also, is the water supposed to touch the filter?
Is that kind of setup safe?
Wouldn’t humidity from the waterfall affect the paint? I’d definitely be mindful of water splash hitting the model that close even with the fan suction. It’s like those produce misters at the supermarket. I really don’t see the point of using the waterfall if the fan is that powerful it seems redundant and unecessary.
Great products but a bit pricey for my wallet. Maybe after your review they will sell a couple thousand and the price will drop! Really liked the comparison you did. Always a good thing to keep up on the newest products and you do a great job of it. Thanks for all your hard work and time you spend making these vids for us.
Any long term update you could share? How's maintenance and upkeep for the water? Does it need to be replaced after every use? 10 uses?
Holding up well. I replace the water every 1 to 2 weeks depending on how much I spray
I'm going to have to use your carbon filter technique. Awesome.
I bought the more expensive one and it has been working well with me and there are little to no smells. Based on what my family say. Clean-up is relatively easy. If anyone has the cash, buy the more expensive one.
If you don't mind, could you tell me what you bought?
Where to buy can't find anywhere in the UK and no one will ship to UK please help
the last one you tested seemed a little half baked and like it would be annoying to use. this one seems to be really well thought out and much nicer.
Did it end up having buildup on the blades after a few months? I cant decide on this or Pace...
Clever idea to add the wax. I like the booth on the right. Wider, better lighting, brighter, and 3 fans.
I don't know a whole lot about paints - can you tell me more about your comment regarding the acrylics? Are you saying that there are minimal fumes and all the paint goes into the waterfall?
I wish I can afforded it
How did you drill the hole out in the bucket lid for the hose?
Can you share a video on how you assembled the trap bucket? Also, where did you buy the hose?
I just traced the hose with a marker and cut it out using a utility knife. The small holes is a 1/2 inch drill bit. The hose came with the booth but they sell them at hardware stores
@@barbatosrex9473 Fantastic, thanks BR mush appreciated sir! 👍👍
My two worries with this:
1) the build-up of paint in the lower filter and in the water is likely to eventually clog up the pump and burn it out.
2) how often do you need to stop painting and go pee with that constantly running water? It's like a dripping tap in the bathroom at night!
To make it even better take distilled water and + your pump will live longer.
I did use Distilled, forgot to show it in the video. I will mention it in a short video along with the decibels
Does the RobotKai "Kaizo" include the exhaust tubing?
Yes
Thank you Rex!
Keep up the fantastic videos
Hi are you painting in basement? How you deal with ventilation problem?
I have a window but check out my video on using a bucket to vent your spray booth indoors. Also the follow up video more ways to vent your spray booth
Does anyone know what happened to this spray booth? It doesn't seem to be anywhere on Robot Kai's site, even for pre-order.
It's for the better, trust me. Mine just died on me and it has a bunch of poor design decisions (eg. No air filter) that will just make you wish you spent your money elsewhere.
What’s the difference between the 110V and the 220V ?? Apologies if that’s a dumb questions
The US uses 110V outlets, Europe uses 220V
seems like they don't sell this anymore, i can't find it on their website. they sell something similar and call it the "mobile fort version", which looks like the same spraybooth that you bought from another company from amazon and reviewed in a past video. do you have a direct link to where you bought this, or is it just gone for good?
I was thinking this same thought the other day. I will ask the company and see what's up
I purchased one a while back when you first released the video. They got back in touch with me explaining that they couldn't ship and refunded me the money. Apparently, there was some issue with UL Labs not certifying the booth. @@barbatosrex9473
What do you do with the contaminated water?
I flush it. I checked with my cities water department and said it's OK to flush
Nice! What psi do you use for the ps-290?
20 psi
@@barbatosrex9473 Thank you!
When is Robot Kai getting of these booths
Maybe you'll see this and maybe not, but for when these do become available again (hopefully soon), did you get the 110 or 220V version?
I'm in the US I got the 110. I believe that's all they had to offer me
@@barbatosrex9473 Thanks!!