Don’t Call Yourself a Machinist if You Don’t Understand This
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- Epic fixturing techniques and setups.
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Ey Titan, how about some serious Laithe work, with 10x dia dampened boring bars, how to get CAM to take deflection in the bar into account when doing deeep ID work. Come on man, give us some laithe guys some love as well.
I like all of that and will bring it up to my team… so Thanks…
But, I am going to push back on the No Lathe Video part…
We post 365 days a year and post lots of lathe videos. Did you see this one from last week. Lots of Boring Bars and Tips and Tricks etc. All tools explained… and it’s a real part that we machine for a top rocket company.
BOOM!
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lathe?
Usually the biggest battle is figuring out how to hold the part.
And to think about every upcoming job that comes next, so you think 2, 4, 6 steps ahead. Best job in the world
That's the biggest truth ever spoken
As a CNC operator I agree 👍
@michelrosier468 you mean operation? I just want to machine almost everything at one go.
Fixturing is a true art in and of itself.
It’s what separates an great machinist from the average ones. Anybody can be taught how to run the machine but it takes a certain eye to visualize your work holding on the machine
100% mate
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I came here to say this. Fixturing is the true magic to me.
not really
For me, seeing how the team figures out how to hold a given part in the 2nd or 3rd OP has always been the satisfying problem solving aspect of each video
I work in a machine shop and I'm desperate to improve my fixturing techniques, but my boss won't invest in the hardware we need so I have to make everything from scraps in house. The best I've made so far can take 20 parts whilst 20 more are loaded outside the machine, I essentially made 20 mini vices within a plate. I have so much I want/need to learn from these videos!
Personal experience, creating your own tooling and fixturing, and learning from mistakes, is far more valuable than anything you'll watch someone else do in a video.
@@OneTruePhreakwatching is learning too. I'd say it's essential to watch others do and use it as a base for your own projects (you can do your own stuff but the idea of what or how to do sometimes is what you need to learn from others).
Fixturing solutions are mega expensive if you buy them. Had a quote for a trunion that cost more than the machine it was going on 😂
@@Minerals333 it's only viable if you have long term contracts for many parts . so this is like machinist porn. there's not many mom and pop shops that can do this. most shops don't make thousands of 1 item. i have always been involved in big stuff where a small part is like 5 feet by 3 feet.
i was just brazing. my attitude to machining was "in my own time on my own machine, thankyou".
meh. make some jigs for a monthly job. 5 of them, 3 positions each.
spent about two hours.
"be the most expensive jigs we ever made"
well, i quit over a decade ago. dropped in the other day to grab some inserts.
guess whose jigs are still being used? over the years, they have probably made about $5M worth of product. for 2 hours wage and some scrap.
there are some jobs you love but the management just kills it. the fact i still think of that job... still drop in and have a sticky beak occasionally...
it was getting to the point that i was recording conversations we had, as without evidence, things would always get..."twisted" as to who made what decision and who reluctantly agreed... it all depended on if something worked or if it was a complete waste of time.
one of the last ones was making the teeth for the land clearing bush mower things. FAE?
by the time he listened, and we were grinding the carbide to a standard width and cutting slots to a standard width and brazing with brass... we lost the job due to his insistence that we use unground carbide, selective slot widths, and a lot of messing around with trilay (copper clad with silver). try heating a 1x1/2x3/4 carbide block in a steel body when you have this copper sheet dangling out as the slots so tight you cant push it in all the way at first.., and you have to get it "just" hot enough to melt the silver but not the copper... then carefully push said copper into the gap without damaging it... was taking almost 15 minutes EACH. versus about 30 seconds with brass paste.
why did it even have a slot when a simple shoulder was adequate?!
along with selling the tool grinder that i used to grind them at first.
my only saving grace is i destroyed the 10K adjustable slot cutter in one go :) stalled the 30HP motor :)
well who told me to disengage auto-feed and wind the last few MM by hand when climb milling? im just like...WTF?
"it will be ok"...
BANG!
only in business still as its such a niche market. no other place run like that could stay profitable.
The ability to produce custom fixtures in-house saves thousands of dollars and a ton of time.
Plus the process of thinking them out and manufacturing it yourself is so satisfying. Can't explain that feeling in words
We do it all the time for milling circular or oddly shaped parts, it's nothing extraordinary. I'll admit it is quite satisfying to imagine and craft them
True artistry and innovation.
You need to be aware of the tolerances when doing so though
Vacuum fixtures are cool. They're normally not hard to make. A shop I worked for used them for the 2nd op on odd shaped parts.
We have some very large fixtures we did for the Orion spacecraft. They’re vacuum fixture plates mounted on 3ft risers. A center round plate and six sectional around it. Pulling 20psi and all countoured to the profile of the part which is dome shaped as it’s the bottom of the capsule. Spun forged dish shaped aluminum.
work of art giving access to even more work of art
Sometimes, it feels like the universe is talking to you. I'm working on a project, trying to be more than just a button pusher. It's a four face tombstone, 15 pcs. per fixture. Mitee-bites to hold them down.
Thank you, Titan and everyone who had a hand in the Academy. It is the best tool for anyone who wants to step their game up.
At my last job we used a lot of Schunk fixtures and I absolutely love them. They are amazing! We would save our offsets in the machine so all we had to do was put the fixture in and all of our offsets were already set. Another thing we’d do is bolt the parts from the back side down to the fixture and then put it in the Schunk fixture and it was repeatable within tenths if not millionths
This is so amazing... I wish my company could be this great in machining.
I'm developing a few custom fixtures for my 3 axis haas and goddang this is an art form. I'm gonna have a great time making them and also I'm gonna be scratching my head a LOT
Im a mechanic and would never be a machinist an my age lol. I know after watching videos of Titan life an how far he an his guys have come this is about fixers in this video i believe. Not sure how long i have been subscribed for an resubscribed from a lose of phone but one of the best channels if not the best. You guys are totally awesome and amazing at what you do thanks for sharing. Be safe guys
The closest thing to fixturing at the machine shop I work at now is if they let me make a mandrel for the lathe or they let me machine out a set of soft jaws for the vise in the mill
We have three cnc lathes we have one inch and a half boring bar I'm fighting to get two more and not having much success at it
For the Mills they expect us to run 40-year-old high speed steel
@@alexbernier7903 let me put it this way The guy in charge of running the shop told us one day when we explained to him that one of the CNC lace was losing its position it would no longer recognize where the tool was touched off so it would either not touch the part or slam into the face of the chuck
His solution to this problem was to smugly tell us to just program in a g28 in the program
I forgot to add the same guy also believes that regardless of the size of the hole being drilled in the material the type of material or thickness of material it takes the same amount of time to drill the hole
Fixturing is the most satisfying of the job. It makes your life so much easier
Love this video! Truely a work of art!
I love it when a fixture comes together.
Fixtures of greatness!
I absolutely love the dedication and quality you all put into your work. Those amazing fixtures must be well into 6 figures 😮
I'm glad you have the part quantity to justify it 😊
Humble and gratitude have been your friends❤
dude, they do just the same things that others do. But it's the show.
This was not a trivial video to edit together. Great job!
So Good!!
I just Love the Clamping fixture system, all the things that possible with those "Vero-s Nuts and clamps", and the best part is when you make your own fixtures, all the planing that goes in to that must be complicated, but in the end just makes it even better for you guys because then you have fixtures for specific/special parts that you can make even faster,and in bulk if someone needed it
Take the custom gun parts you had to make things for, doing new stuff etc... But like Donny says "Saving time = More Production = More Money"
Keep up your amazing content, cant w8 for the next beast of a tool your gonna test or how new stuff gets made
I'm not even a beginner machine operator but, this stuff is really cool and love watching it.
Oh man, these fixtures are crazyyyy. If I had to fulfill orders that are way above 10 parts, I would sure as hell take note on couple of things
Almost 40 years machining sheet metal weldments, investment castings and forgings for turbine engines, I've seen some pretty trick fixturing and all of it built inhouse either on the shop floor or our toolroom.
I should go work for Titan. I love making fixtures. Gets the creativity going. Shops I've worked at in my city would rather just plow through stuff than take the time to do it right.
Titanium Octopus. I don't know if I have seen the finished piece. This would be great to unveil this work of art to me along with about a million other people who would take notice. But if this is a piece that is significant to your own personal life and don't want too share that is understood. Please keep this to your own circle. Thanks for being an influential machinist and role model of future apprentices.
Great fixturing makes your life easier! Period.
I love Shunk’s stuff . Blows Lang out of the water with accuracy, and ease of use and price point in actual use. Just one point is the simple centering vises are stronger , lower profile , and easier to make soft jaws for. Langs you have to purchase a 1000$ more worth of items to make their roughing centering vices into finishing, secondary op vices. SHUNK!!!
2 things kids, don't use your hands as a hammer and don't jerk a torque wrench
*OK I WONT "Call Yourself a Machinist"* One day we can get past clickbait titles....
I like the music. It’s got a really good vibe.
You guys have the best toys! 👊👍💪
I would say fixturing is half the battle but it might just be a majority of it. Great video!
Fixturing is one of the most important aspects of machining!
What about the octopus? Haven't really seen, how it's going or actually the finished part - I'm quite interested of how much matrrial you'll hollow out between the tentacles....
Love to see it:)
That clamping system sure does open up many possibilities
Good Schunk Promotion Video. Nice mention of Mastercam.
Always improvising keeping in mind if it is a 1 part to make or a production run, also depending on the shop and budget for it...dont make an overkill fixture...otherwise you eat up the profit.
I'll never not be impressed by fixturing and machine tool automation!
love the background music
so satisying, i wish it was that clean in the shop where i work, its really clean, but at titan its like a hospital haha, much love rom holland BOOOOM💣💥👊💪
I wanna see how you guys would make a boiler feed pump shaft.
What music is this? Awesome educational content as always! Thank you!
So, does being able to make a setup/fixture with angle plates and a bunch of 123 blocks for a one off job not make me a machinist? or do i need a multi million dollar machine to make dedicated fixture plates for one job to call myself a machinist?
No it's just that this channel is one never ending machine tool commercial.
@@wildcatmahone-md6meyeah no way a normal shop would have this kit without a specific job that requires it
Began apprenticeship 39 years ago and never worked on floor after completion, but I still remember clearly when I learnt, in my first 2mths, what a jig and fixture was and most importantly, the difference.
Never could I imagine the technology we have now and never ever the need for tradies like we have now.
DO AN APPRENTICESHIP KIDS.
Beautiful. So much money in one video.
I'm not a machinist im a cnc and a manual machine operator. Atho I'm very impressed it looks like something in prototype to me.
The art of fixturing
Oh yeah, would love to have all the new bells and whistles of work holding. But, they do come with a premium price tag.
Which i coulda gone to your school when i first got into machining .
That Heller is lovely;)
At 1:55 seconds, you actually see Barry aka DJ Barry turn the music up! Lol
Oh, I understand this. I just don't need the latest, greatest, high $$$ modular fixturing to do it. I have more respect for the guy who understands how to do that level of setup on an old knee mill with a vise, clamp set, and a bin of scrap metal.
Hi guys, which torque wrenches are you using? Thanks.
Now we understand how you got 700K man ❤❤🔥🔥
im a wood cnc machinist but the machine load the parts by it self on the table and it gets clampt down with pleumatic clamps
This feels like a trailer for a hour or longer documentary about fixtures 😂
Or just 8 minutes of sexyness😂
Between the music and camera angles, I was thinking I was watching a sci-fi movie.
i got fired for wanting to build fixtures and automate stuff...yet, schunk is just 25km from where this happened! ...now those guys are bankrupt! :)
maybe they were struggling and didn't have the resources for expensive tooling. i don't think titan pays for any of his super machines. they don't run production. just make promotional videos.
@@ronblack7870 no, they were just stupid and backwards....even in tool and dies, theres so much use in fixtures and automation...the better companies know...and it isnt all that expensive as the schunk-stuff. You can do many things yourselves. I did anyways, and now run my own machines.
Learning efficient fixturing techniques is a great way to separate yourself from the rest of the pack and make more money!
Everything is so beautiful 😭lol
when you could do this by hand with a pencil and a Bridgeport and a lathe, now that would be a true Machinist.. cool vid. I enjoyed it.
Maybe invest in a chain fall instead of risking it with a fork truck.
Howzit Homeboy ⚡
How can someone get training as a cnc repairman?
Можно ли подключить вакуумный стол на 5 осевой станок для обработки тонких деталей со всех сторон?
You said I had to understand it not recreate it. Where's my application I learned on a Haas vf2ss so be gentle 😅
well, technically, a fixture is composed of one or more parts, that are used to hold the material used to make parts
Well… exactly
I am from India, and I want to become members of Titans is their any requirements 😅
Notice how there's a torque wrench in just about every shot?
I'm not even a beginner CNC machinist but this stuff is really cool I love watching it!!
Nice schunk ad. How come they don’t have titan push their tribos line? Schunk does make good stuff
They actually don’t tell me what to push… We use what we believe in. Lots of custom fixtures also.
i spend more time thinking about work holding than i do anything else
WOW
This is not a part fixture, this is just a tribute.
Titans of CNC == Master Miyagi
i swear, they call it schunk because of the noise it makes when you drop it in there!
Instantly clicked the video because of the intriguing title.😅
So what am i supposed to understand, or not understand?
1:16 is this sequence from a certain 1975 horror movie?
😮
Schunk is good when it comes to clamping workpieces.... But Stark Röhmheld is better, more powerful and more precise.
Musical song name please
How do you guys keep your hands so baby soft.
Even we, in Germany, use similar methods. Great!
"Even you?"
@@brandonlittle6444 Yes, myself.
I have so much to learn
Everything just looks so expensive
You ever gonna finish those animals?
Bad fixtures make bad parts.
Quality starts there.
Hurdy Gurdy
Why aren't there any scratches on the machine or your hands?
Why are you so worried about what our hands look like? It’s very strange.
Not a machinist. This is bad ass
It's costly
*admits he couldnt even be bothered making a couple of basic machinists jacks or new tee-nuts*
Money money money
Pristine looking fixtures just make me sad. Knowing I have to go back into work and deal with chewed up fixtures due to lazy people.
Im beyond sick of working in these little bullsh!t shops here in southern California that were struggling and on life support AND have very high turn over before I even got there. Somebody tell me where i can go to be somewhat appreciated for my 26 years of dedication on mills, lathe, vtl and horizontal? And now mastercam experience. Where can we actually be successful?
Look for shops that have advanced certifications. AS9100 or ISO 13485. These shops are making aerospace and medical equipment. For most of these types of places once they get a job in the door, they own it. Aerospace and medical OEMs have a VERY hard time switching suppliers because they usually have to jump though a shit ton of hoops to make the change. These types of shops have a steadier cash flow because of the work they do. I've been at my current shop for almost 5 years now. There are machines that I wrote the programs for and did the process validation on that are still running the same parts.
Mom and Pop shops that are just ISO 9001 certified are a dime a dozen and have a hard time getting/keeping the work. They have to compete on price. It also makes cash flow from month to month really unstable.
@@brandons9138 thank you for providing that information. I'll definitely use this in my future searching.
I was taught 27 years ago, you can call yourself an actual machinist until you have a minimum of 10 years!
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