Its been a while since I last played this game but I believe Hank commiting suicide is dependant on if you picked the more Human/Deviant options as Connor when you're with Hank, also not dying in front of him because I remember that being a bit traumatizing for him seeing Connor come back from the dead like its no big deal. If you want a more simple answer as to how I got him here I just used a save file where I picked the deviant options as Connor and chose to remain a machine.
@@Seadooers Oh, right. That makes sense now. Because when I played machine Connor, I chose more machine choices throughout the game and died a couple of times too which resulted in Hank being hostile with me for the majority of the game. He also shot me at one point too. I also didn’t get an option to become deviant because I had been too machine for most of the playthrough, which made Hank hate me and that’s when he killed himself. So if I am deviant for most of the game and then choose to remain a machine, he then appears at this point because he wouldn’t have died previously because he wouldn’t be initially hostile with me for most of the game. Right, I’ve got you.
All characters can be "villains" or "heroes" depending not only on their own stories, but also on how you play w/ other characters. If Connor is intending to shoot deranged Markus, is he really a villain? But then if Markus is demonstrating peacefully, Connor wouldn't be seen as a hero... and so on
It's kinda a easy solution on that too imo Just flip the conner and hank in the park at night segment for when they meet kamski. After the kamski test, conner can review over what they known via the players choices prior and see if theirs any connection that can lead them to jericho. During this hank can question on how conner acted towards some of the androids and interrogate him on his actions (serve more or less as a pseudo amanda if you will), even insisting on some of them. And it could be based on your responses on how conner would justify or rationalize his actions that can come off more deviant or machine (with software instability changing of course). And after a series of questions hank can draw his revolver at conner and it would just be the questioning if he fears death, and shortly after hank will say that he eavesdropped on that agent perkins call a few days back about him getting some gear set about a raid that'll be conducted at jericho tomorrow night and he'll ask what will conner do. And just like markus conner will choose if he's a deviant or a machine (or rather what I would go for is let the game decide) If a deviant conner will respond by him trying to warn them and hank will put down his gun (that way it establishes both that conner and hank are on the same team and maybe solve the "I'm the real conner" act that came off so forced by just having conner show off that he can turn androids into deviants). If a machine, conner will respond coldly and even saying he might lend a hand at killing markus, from that hank just shoot conner and akin to the base game going off on how hank is towards you. If a friend he can just make his way to the roof and a last ditch effort to have conner let the mission go. And vice versa hank dies and conner just completes his mission I dunno, to me at least this flow makes more sense to me than what we got
That would be good after story, detective themed Hank and Connor in Detroit. The story take off after deviant become free and some of the deviant do crime.
And maybe the RK900 could be the antagonist where he goes to neutralize the deviants the same as Connor but a war breaks out instead and have like some strategic moments like in the revolution part with Markus.
I always thought this should have been Connor's Deviant/machine moment. He didn't have any real history with Marcus, but struggling with obeying his programming or listening to Hank (or not dropping him off the roof) would have made for a particularly poignant deviant moment, with Connor becoming deviant due to the positive influence of a human rather than a negative influence (or a particularly chilling machine path where he drops Hank off the roof because he believes he's just a machine).
He can potentially go against his programming when he tries to shoot the deviant leader. Choosing not to will begin the "escape zen garden" sequence despite Connor still being a machine. So I suppose Hank can potentially influence Connor to be better that way.
I definitely get where you're coming from, but at the same time I kind of glad that's not what happened. In order to achieve Connor's deviance Hank has already been guiding him, step by step. Every time you save him or show concern he expresses gratitude. Every time you spare a deviant he's impressed or hopeful that Connor (and by extension the other androids) really are alive. Hank even brings the latter up multiple times to further pave Connor's way to freedom and humanity. But the final trial? That should be of Connor's own free will, his decision. If Hank does everything then he's just a new Amanda or Kamski, a better and more truthful mentor of course, but at the end of the day someone molding Connor to their vision. Instead it's mostly Connor's decision and a little bit of Marcus or North.
Who doesn't? I wish the whole game was them solving crimes, and not just android related but realistically those would be the only cases they would get because they would be the best at them.
@@drobviouslol Not exactly, BunnyComet has a point. Machine Connor is pretty much a deviant in denial. You can clearly see that through the few times Connor is cursing when failing a mission or at the end of the game. When Amanda introduces RK900 to Connor and tells him that he'll be deactivated, he seems upset about it. But he shouldn't feel upset at all, if he was not a deviant.
yeah he could have some kind of emotional breakdown after choosing to leave (and hence becoming deviant) explaining to hank how hard it is for him to know what's right. Maybe also that he would have been shut down if he hadn't followed his programm, and that he was scared or something. I feel like in this ending he really isn't "just a machine".
I strongly believe that "Machine" Connor is still a Deviant, it's just that he happens to channel is emotions into completing his missions. Hence why Machine Connor still shows emotions, swears when he fucks up etc
connor must've deviated on the assembly line i swear to god. he constantly defies hank's orders despite being assigned to him as his partner, he SO CLEARLY shows emotions when he fucks up, he even swears. he imitates human pain when struggling and in distress! it only becomes more apparent after you make him stay a machine because from that point onward he's just in a constant state of denial. he feels emotions but chooses to still side with the humans; he however isn't able to hide how the events unfolding around him impact him mentally. when amanda shows him the rk900 model at the end he looks distraught, upset and even afraid which should not happen if he's supposed to be a cold, emotionless machine. there's no way all those moments throughout the game that make him feel like a human are a part of his programming because he's supposed to act more human to appeal to humans, and he acts that way even when no one's watching.
Connor mentioning Cole on the rooftop was so different from the warehouse. Here, Connor's not Deviant and just using Cole as a manipulation against Hank. In the warehouse, Connor genuinely understands and feels guilt that Hank lost his son while under the care of another android. Their story was definitely my favorite.
Yes. Here he puts more emphasis to make it sound emotional, like "poor Cole didn't make it". While the deviant Connor does not try to push it too much and says "Cole didn't make it" quickly
Bruh, this was so weird. It's like connor goes from attempting in a very cold blooded manner to manipulate Hank into letting him continue using the death of his son (right after being accused of faking emotion) to continuing to speak to Hank in a highly vitriolic way as he makes the very human decision to spare both his and Marcus' life.
@@uzairahmed4197 As great as the game is, I’d say there’s some missed opportunities, I think it would have been cool if there was an option for Hank to make Connor a deviant and have Hank convince him instead of Markus, or an option for Luther to live on the boat ride, stuff like that, or for Connor/Kara to lead the revolution, but there’s only so much one can do with a game. And I like the game just as it is.
It felt like Cage forgot a scene where Hank discovers that his son died due to the 'only surgeon being high on red ice', because it seemed really asspulled. Hank seemed to warming up to androids (in a friendly run-through) but I never got the "I hate androids because they killed my son!" aspect of Hank if he actually knew that the "only surgeon in the futuristic hospital that could operate at the time" was the reason that Cole died (oh David Cage writing). Also, this should've been the scene where Connor becomes a deviant (if he doesn't at Jericho). While Marcus and Connor had no real relationship up until Jericho, Hank and Connor have been together the entire game. Moving the deviant sequence from on the ship with Marcus to on the rooftop with Hank would have been WAY more impactful.
While I don’t disagree, grief isn’t logical. I think the intention of this scene is that hank has worked past it to an extent and can see he was not being logical
100% agree, if he was convinced that no human fault was in play at all it would have lended a lot more weight to his hate towards androids. As it stands the tension seems very ... forced. They could have had it be like an IRobot type situation.
I don't think it was asspulled. I've always assumed that Hank knew about the human surgeon, but blaming it all on the android who actually did operate was easier and more "logical" in his state of grief. Only once he had his mind changed about androids did he rediscover the true blame that he always knew about deep down.
Something that I don’t understand is that both instances where two characters become deviant (Kara and Markus) they become deviant as a direct result of a human. But Connor is the only one who can turn deviant from another machine, one that he really didn’t have much history with until that point :/ I guess another way to look at it is that Markus and Connor are from the same line of units (if I recall, RK series) so it’s easier for Markus to influence him, somehow.
One thing that i'm still confused about is Connor's "human" flaws i guess you can say it, the rifle is shaking, you'd think an android could stay perfectly still and perfectly hold the rifle properly.
@@_red_crewmate This argument only goes so far. Yes the animation has been mocapped. However, it has also been worked on (trust me, if you only had rough mocap anims, you would call the game bad.). So if they wanted to remove the shaking, they could have. Now, there's possibly an in-lore reason that I am not aware of, or perhaps it is an artistic reason. Either way, because he's played by a human doesn't justify the end result, only the rough mocaps.
Well, based on the game they tried to make androids as close to humans as possible so that society would not be as afraid of them as you would be of say, Spot from Boston Dynamics. (Personally I find him adorable, but I can see how others would think he is creepy.) So they would program them with some human mistakes. But maybe it also had something to do with wind and stabilisation (like an ABS kicking in).
I want another game like Detroit.... I miss choice games... life is strange 3 coming soon but... Detroit put the bar so high that I need something close to it now...
I’d suggest you look into Star Wars: The Old Republic if you haven’t already. Though of course it is a decade old and isn’t as visually attractive as Detroit, it is very choice based and has a fantastic story. Also it’s free so it’s not like your wasting money if you don’t like it and stop playing :)
@@leodavid4384 true, I’ve just had some great experiences with KOTOR and SWTOR in particular and I’ve really fallen for it’s stories and characters harder than any of the other games. It’s more of a personal recommendation based on my preferences and some small similarities I see between Detroit and SWTOR. You’re statement is still completely valid tho 😂
I can just picture how this scene would play if Connor went deviant here - he staggers for a moment, looks at Hank’s raised gun and then down to the rifle in his own hands, then drops it like his hand is on fire. Then, instead of sounding condescending when he says “I hope you get over what happened to your son”, it comes out like a weak or beaten “I’m sorry, Hank.” Would make for one hell of a chance for Hank to slowly lower his gun and go up to Connor and give him a hug after a brief pause.
I like how Connor still shows a few signs of deviancy after being shot by Markus, he just refuses to accept that he's alive on the inside. The amount of detail in this game is just amazing and I love it.
You think? I was kind of disappointed it didnt have a greater impact😅 like Hank sparing him or something. Because he accuses him of being emotionless while some hours ago he tried to be a deviant but got killed xD I mean it wasnt even Connors fault
it's so wholesome, even though connor hates deviants, he still made a friend and doesn't want to hurt him. deep within him there's still something that's pushing him not to kill hank
This was kind of hard for me to get because even though Hank was my friend, I realized Connor’s status as a machine was a bit too high at the same time.
@@Seadooers what happen to connor after that? what happen to the revolution? did he proceed to find markus regardless ? same thing happen even you kill hank?
@@joerahmat5726 Connor still confronts Markus, and the story doesnt change, its just an alternate outcome to a situation that either involves Connor or Hank dieing. You only get this if you picked all the deviant/humanlike options when you're with hank but still chose to remain as a machine when confronting Markus on the boat.
Hank's character makes no sense to me here. He wants Deviants to be free so badly that he'll kill his friend for not being a Deviant, and also let hundreds of humans die in the aftermath instead of just ending this battle. His loyalty isn't to Connor, or to saving lives, it's to the Deviant cause, and that's confusing. It seems like he's more of a vehicle to force Connor into a morally challenging situation.
The sequel needs to be vastly diverse because it has to account for every option I want to see a sequel with Just Connor being a cold killing machine since that's my personal canon and favorite ending
It was so hard for me to get the machine ending, and I still couldn’t shoot Chloe. I ended up fighting with Hank but didn’t drop him off the ledge,then he tried to push Connor, I reacted to early not really realizing what I was doing so I threw him off anyway. I was heart broken
"Androids have emotions! EMOTIONS! Except the ones I don't like!" - An alcoholic, jaded deadbeat cop who DEFINITELY isn't a terrible judge of character.
It's interesting that, as long as Hank makes it to the end of the story, both versions of him come to the same realization about androids not being responsible for the death of his son.
Annoys me how I made Marcus a murderous rebel, even killing a cop Hank knew, and Hank still sides with the Androids over letting Connor do the Job he and Hank were assigned for. I would've had it like if Marcus was a pacifists, this scene stays, but if Marcus was violent, then Hank helps you.
Thank you for this. Always wondered if there was a chance for Connor and Hank not to fight in the roof top scene. Will try this out on my playthrough :)
If Marcus won the Demonstration, in the end when Marcus speaks, you have an option where Connor either shoots or not Marcus from the public. When you choose not to shoot you have to push the Emergency exit just as if Connor would stay as a deviant on the scene behind Marcus. But if Marcus chose Revolution Marcus would have to fight the machine Connor. If in the revolution, Marcus fails before fighting Connor, Marcus would hide in a CyberLife shop, and then machine Connor goes into there, and Connor has an option to either shoot or not Marcus.
Yeah there's one path where Connor spares Hank and if Markus loses the revolution (In this playthrough he needed to be stopped) Connor spares him effectively saying without words: we needed you to be our leader and you became worse and more dangerous than humans, and I had to choose a side for the sake of both our species. The blood spilled on both sides is on your hands. You will live knowing millions of our kind paid the price for your mistake. Later Markus leaps off the ledge killing himself later. And Connor sparing Markus effectively betrays Amanda becoming a deviant himself and now has to go into hiding and disappear likely being killed later by another Connor android.
I wish they made another game or remastered this one or even ported it to other consoles. A lot more people need to play this game. It's really eye opening with its powerful scenes and choices.
Everyone talks about i am the android sent by cyber life but not It wasn’t your fault lieutenant the truck skidded on a sheet of ice and your car rolled over
I would love it if they let connor shoot Marcus with Hank as your friend because Jericho had Terrible public Opinion and decided to be violent 90% of the way through. It’d be even better if Connor went deviant if Hank stopped Connor for a justified revolution. Overall I prefer peaceful Marcus and Deviant Connor.
I tend to hate violent revolutions, unless the circumstances are extreme they can be justified but in a world I think sentient ai would be accepted for forum discussion. We have hundreds of years of progress.
I remember my first playthrough, where I met Hank up here, but chose to fight him. It made for a very dramatic moment this close to the climax of the game.
How did you get Hank here? When I played this mission, Captain Allen and his team turned up because Hank killed himself previously.
Its been a while since I last played this game but I believe Hank commiting suicide is dependant on if you picked the more Human/Deviant options as Connor when you're with Hank, also not dying in front of him because I remember that being a bit traumatizing for him seeing Connor come back from the dead like its no big deal.
If you want a more simple answer as to how I got him here I just used a save file where I picked the deviant options as Connor and chose to remain a machine.
@@Seadooers Oh, right. That makes sense now. Because when I played machine Connor, I chose more machine choices throughout the game and died a couple of times too which resulted in Hank being hostile with me for the majority of the game. He also shot me at one point too. I also didn’t get an option to become deviant because I had been too machine for most of the playthrough, which made Hank hate me and that’s when he killed himself. So if I am deviant for most of the game and then choose to remain a machine, he then appears at this point because he wouldn’t have died previously because he wouldn’t be initially hostile with me for most of the game. Right, I’ve got you.
@@darthjim1889 Yup exactly
@@Seadooers Alright. Cool video 👍 😃
I'm sorry-
HANK CAN KILL HIMSELF?!?!!?
It’s so crazy that you can turn Connor into a hero or the main villain, with just a few choices.
Not really the main villain depending on how you play if you're violent as Marcus Connor can be seen as taking down a terrorist
All characters can be "villains" or "heroes" depending not only on their own stories, but also on how you play w/ other characters. If Connor is intending to shoot deranged Markus, is he really a villain? But then if Markus is demonstrating peacefully, Connor wouldn't be seen as a hero... and so on
@@heyitsmira17 that's literally what I said
He can be your Future Exterminator or look a poodle.
@@Itz_Nlk he doesn't know where he can stick his instructions either
Hank should've been the one to turn Connor deviant, not Marcus.
for sureeee
It's kinda a easy solution on that too imo
Just flip the conner and hank in the park at night segment for when they meet kamski.
After the kamski test, conner can review over what they known via the players choices prior and see if theirs any connection that can lead them to jericho.
During this hank can question on how conner acted towards some of the androids and interrogate him on his actions (serve more or less as a pseudo amanda if you will), even insisting on some of them.
And it could be based on your responses on how conner would justify or rationalize his actions that can come off more deviant or machine (with software instability changing of course).
And after a series of questions hank can draw his revolver at conner and it would just be the questioning if he fears death, and shortly after hank will say that he eavesdropped on that agent perkins call a few days back about him getting some gear set about a raid that'll be conducted at jericho tomorrow night and he'll ask what will conner do.
And just like markus conner will choose if he's a deviant or a machine (or rather what I would go for is let the game decide)
If a deviant conner will respond by him trying to warn them and hank will put down his gun (that way it establishes both that conner and hank are on the same team and maybe solve the "I'm the real conner" act that came off so forced by just having conner show off that he can turn androids into deviants).
If a machine, conner will respond coldly and even saying he might lend a hand at killing markus, from that hank just shoot conner and akin to the base game going off on how hank is towards you.
If a friend he can just make his way to the roof and a last ditch effort to have conner let the mission go.
And vice versa hank dies and conner just completes his mission
I dunno, to me at least this flow makes more sense to me than what we got
fr idk how marcus spouting nonsense which connor new helped him break out
I mean he did tried it though but never really did it like marcus
Agreed, this is why we have fanfic tho
I would play a spin off of hank and conner just solving crimes
That's is actually a great idea!
i mean, in the good ending they both became partners.. so this could actually happen
That would be good after story, detective themed Hank and Connor in Detroit. The story take off after deviant become free and some of the deviant do crime.
And maybe the RK900 could be the antagonist where he goes to neutralize the deviants the same as Connor but a war breaks out instead and have like some strategic moments like in the revolution part with Markus.
i would spend my life fortune and sell my soul for that
I always thought this should have been Connor's Deviant/machine moment. He didn't have any real history with Marcus, but struggling with obeying his programming or listening to Hank (or not dropping him off the roof) would have made for a particularly poignant deviant moment, with Connor becoming deviant due to the positive influence of a human rather than a negative influence (or a particularly chilling machine path where he drops Hank off the roof because he believes he's just a machine).
Well now I wish this was true
It makes more sense yes.
He can potentially go against his programming when he tries to shoot the deviant leader. Choosing not to will begin the "escape zen garden" sequence despite Connor still being a machine. So I suppose Hank can potentially influence Connor to be better that way.
Imagine thinking david cage can write anything that good lmao.
I definitely get where you're coming from, but at the same time I kind of glad that's not what happened. In order to achieve Connor's deviance Hank has already been guiding him, step by step. Every time you save him or show concern he expresses gratitude. Every time you spare a deviant he's impressed or hopeful that Connor (and by extension the other androids) really are alive. Hank even brings the latter up multiple times to further pave Connor's way to freedom and humanity. But the final trial? That should be of Connor's own free will, his decision. If Hank does everything then he's just a new Amanda or Kamski, a better and more truthful mentor of course, but at the end of the day someone molding Connor to their vision. Instead it's mostly Connor's decision and a little bit of Marcus or North.
What if Connor said listen I know it’s not your fault these emotions your feeling are just errors in you software to hank
Hank would punch him in the face lmao
What if its Krab bot? Ravioli ravioli give me the formioli 😂
Hank will say “shut up you bitch” then kick him off the building
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@@legobattledroid983 ok
I like Hank and Connor as a team.
Same
Who doesn't?
@@bluestar9411 nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Who doesn't?
I wish the whole game was them solving crimes, and not just android related but realistically those would be the only cases they would get because they would be the best at them.
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Its too bad that warm relationship status with hank dosent do anything
No, thanks to the friendship option hank does not have to die
Yeah i was actually hoping for a different outcome, It would be cool if they gave you a 2nd chance to turn deviant
@@Jason-..- well he is deviant at this point he just choose to be on the human side..
@@cifer5500 no, he isn't deviant, he's still a machine.
@@drobviouslol Not exactly, BunnyComet has a point. Machine Connor is pretty much a deviant in denial. You can clearly see that through the few times Connor is cursing when failing a mission or at the end of the game. When Amanda introduces RK900 to Connor and tells him that he'll be deactivated, he seems upset about it. But he shouldn't feel upset at all, if he was not a deviant.
Man I loved playing this game. I loved hearing Mr. Krabs swear about pidgeons
the thing is he doesn’t sound like mr. krabs at all with his pirateeey accent, weird
Which one is done by Mr. Krabs?
@@Armsmen Hank
Better than hearing yoda swear about seagulls 😂
@@Red-qk7hv he can sound a wee bit like that in the police station
They honestly need to remake this game and more paths/endings. Connor becoming deviant right here would be a super great moment
David Cage will never change, He's already made three games with shallow moments.
And one that's just terrible. _You can't even die. Really?_
You mean another version because the game is not even old
They're making a star wars game called Star Wars: Eclipse :o
@@indianaliam1 the three games for great though I enjoy beyond two souls heavy rain and Detroit become human they're great games
Isn't there already like 80 something endings
Hank was just like “ well that was easier than I thought it was gonna be”
I thought he was more like, “you piece of shit” for toying with his emotions
Connor doesn’t even sound emotionless in this scene, he just sounds angry and stressed from repressing everything
yeah he could have some kind of emotional breakdown after choosing to leave (and hence becoming deviant) explaining to hank how hard it is for him to know what's right. Maybe also that he would have been shut down if he hadn't followed his programm, and that he was scared or something. I feel like in this ending he really isn't "just a machine".
I strongly believe that "Machine" Connor is still a Deviant, it's just that he happens to channel is emotions into completing his missions. Hence why Machine Connor still shows emotions, swears when he fucks up etc
connor must've deviated on the assembly line i swear to god. he constantly defies hank's orders despite being assigned to him as his partner, he SO CLEARLY shows emotions when he fucks up, he even swears. he imitates human pain when struggling and in distress! it only becomes more apparent after you make him stay a machine because from that point onward he's just in a constant state of denial. he feels emotions but chooses to still side with the humans; he however isn't able to hide how the events unfolding around him impact him mentally. when amanda shows him the rk900 model at the end he looks distraught, upset and even afraid which should not happen if he's supposed to be a cold, emotionless machine. there's no way all those moments throughout the game that make him feel like a human are a part of his programming because he's supposed to act more human to appeal to humans, and he acts that way even when no one's watching.
Connor mentioning Cole on the rooftop was so different from the warehouse.
Here, Connor's not Deviant and just using Cole as a manipulation against Hank.
In the warehouse, Connor genuinely understands and feels guilt that Hank lost his son while under the care of another android. Their story was definitely my favorite.
Yes. Here he puts more emphasis to make it sound emotional, like "poor Cole didn't make it". While the deviant Connor does not try to push it too much and says "Cole didn't make it" quickly
So if you manage to befriend him, you don't have to let him kill you. Meh, better than nothing I guess.
Well either way you don’t have to let him kill you, you can just fight him and kill him
@@kenchen704 I could never kill my homie Hank :o
@@TomSpeeddraw he ain’t your homie when he drops you everytime, but whatever
@@kenchen704 He's a friend almost your Father but for him? Machine Connor is just that. A Machine. The Deviant Connor is the Connor Hank knows.
I refused to fight him I couldn't do it we had been through so much together
1:05 you can hear Hank changing to his professional voice
lmao ur so right
Connor me boy.
Ayy ayy ayy ayy ayy
You mean Mr. Krabs?
@@ongedierte3606 yes
Bruh, this was so weird. It's like connor goes from attempting in a very cold blooded manner to manipulate Hank into letting him continue using the death of his son (right after being accused of faking emotion) to continuing to speak to Hank in a highly vitriolic way as he makes the very human decision to spare both his and Marcus' life.
That's David Cage writing for you
@@slimjimhero as beautiful as these games are, they're held back in a major way by his hack writing
Give some credit theres so many variations of scenes in this game. It does well enough to stay organic when you make these dialogye options
@@uzairahmed4197 Fair.
@@uzairahmed4197 As great as the game is, I’d say there’s some missed opportunities, I think it would have been cool if there was an option for Hank to make Connor a deviant and have Hank convince him instead of Markus, or an option for Luther to live on the boat ride, stuff like that, or for Connor/Kara to lead the revolution, but there’s only so much one can do with a game. And I like the game just as it is.
It felt like Cage forgot a scene where Hank discovers that his son died due to the 'only surgeon being high on red ice', because it seemed really asspulled. Hank seemed to warming up to androids (in a friendly run-through) but I never got the "I hate androids because they killed my son!" aspect of Hank if he actually knew that the "only surgeon in the futuristic hospital that could operate at the time" was the reason that Cole died (oh David Cage writing).
Also, this should've been the scene where Connor becomes a deviant (if he doesn't at Jericho). While Marcus and Connor had no real relationship up until Jericho, Hank and Connor have been together the entire game. Moving the deviant sequence from on the ship with Marcus to on the rooftop with Hank would have been WAY more impactful.
While I don’t disagree, grief isn’t logical. I think the intention of this scene is that hank has worked past it to an extent and can see he was not being logical
100% agree, if he was convinced that no human fault was in play at all it would have lended a lot more weight to his hate towards androids. As it stands the tension seems very ... forced. They could have had it be like an IRobot type situation.
This game's story was completely stiched together
I don't think it was asspulled. I've always assumed that Hank knew about the human surgeon, but blaming it all on the android who actually did operate was easier and more "logical" in his state of grief. Only once he had his mind changed about androids did he rediscover the true blame that he always knew about deep down.
Something that I don’t understand is that both instances where two characters become deviant (Kara and Markus) they become deviant as a direct result of a human. But Connor is the only one who can turn deviant from another machine, one that he really didn’t have much history with until that point :/
I guess another way to look at it is that Markus and Connor are from the same line of units (if I recall, RK series) so it’s easier for Markus to influence him, somehow.
One thing that i'm still confused about is Connor's "human" flaws i guess you can say it,
the rifle is shaking, you'd think an android could stay perfectly still and perfectly hold the rifle properly.
Maybe because he was acted by a human..?
@@_red_crewmate Oh my go-
@@_red_crewmate This argument only goes so far. Yes the animation has been mocapped. However, it has also been worked on (trust me, if you only had rough mocap anims, you would call the game bad.). So if they wanted to remove the shaking, they could have. Now, there's possibly an in-lore reason that I am not aware of, or perhaps it is an artistic reason. Either way, because he's played by a human doesn't justify the end result, only the rough mocaps.
Well, based on the game they tried to make androids as close to humans as possible so that society would not be as afraid of them as you would be of say, Spot from Boston Dynamics. (Personally I find him adorable, but I can see how others would think he is creepy.) So they would program them with some human mistakes. But maybe it also had something to do with wind and stabilisation (like an ABS kicking in).
@@NandolfBlockbuster CyberLife probably wanted its Androids as human as possible, down to the last detail.
2:15 "Poor Cole didn't make it 😀"
"An android killed your son, Hank! And now you wanna save them?! 😡"
"Killing you are not part of my mission 😒"
Who would’ve thought Mr. Krabs would be the voice of reason.
If I’d have known joining Markus is the easiest way to avoid this scene I would have done it.
I honestly don’t even know how to get here. Do I have to refuse Markus’s offer to join him?
@@Clone4082 I can explain I'm just a lil confused rn
@@Clone4082
Refusing Markus’s offer makes this scene come
@@Clone4082 or let Markus shooz Connor during the church scene
I want another game like Detroit.... I miss choice games... life is strange 3 coming soon but... Detroit put the bar so high that I need something close to it now...
same lol, i want a game where even super small decisions could impact the whole story, that’s what i love abt detroit
I’d suggest you look into Star Wars: The Old Republic if you haven’t already. Though of course it is a decade old and isn’t as visually attractive as Detroit, it is very choice based and has a fantastic story. Also it’s free so it’s not like your wasting money if you don’t like it and stop playing :)
@@leviel1430 well you could suggest nearly all bioware games, mass effect and dragon age, both have a lot of important choices.
@@leodavid4384 true, I’ve just had some great experiences with KOTOR and SWTOR in particular and I’ve really fallen for it’s stories and characters harder than any of the other games. It’s more of a personal recommendation based on my preferences and some small similarities I see between Detroit and SWTOR. You’re statement is still completely valid tho 😂
Heavy Rain?
We need another game just entirely dedicated to Connor and Hank.
Same for Kara and Alice tho
@@hotmcfly9247 Ehh in my personal opinion I think they should be last after Markus.
"You're gonna kill a man who wants to be free, that IS my business."
Thats why we love you, Hank.
1:15 - those face expressions :D
"gotta get a load of this guy"
I can just picture how this scene would play if Connor went deviant here - he staggers for a moment, looks at Hank’s raised gun and then down to the rifle in his own hands, then drops it like his hand is on fire. Then, instead of sounding condescending when he says “I hope you get over what happened to your son”, it comes out like a weak or beaten “I’m sorry, Hank.” Would make for one hell of a chance for Hank to slowly lower his gun and go up to Connor and give him a hug after a brief pause.
I like how Connor still shows a few signs of deviancy after being shot by Markus, he just refuses to accept that he's alive on the inside. The amount of detail in this game is just amazing and I love it.
You think? I was kind of disappointed it didnt have a greater impact😅 like Hank sparing him or something. Because he accuses him of being emotionless while some hours ago he tried to be a deviant but got killed xD I mean it wasnt even Connors fault
Hank and Connors talk about Cole is similar to where hank and connor are at the warehouse
Never noticed this till today
I've noticed that right after hearing the dialogue 😐
"This fucked up world where the only way people can find confort is with a fistful of powder"
This hits hard
1:03 oh boy he’s breaking out the Me. Krabs voice
i absolutely love that Hank doesn't blame androids, he blames humans, so much character growth
I love the fact that this speech is almost word for word what he can say in the cyberlife tower.
it's so wholesome, even though connor hates deviants, he still made a friend and doesn't want to hurt him. deep within him there's still something that's pushing him not to kill hank
It would have been cooler if you can make him a deviant here to help hank
connor: >logic
hank: >emotions
connor: >logic
hank: >emotions
connor: *"sounds good to me"*
true lol some scenes that aren't the main story line felt rushed a bit
This was kind of hard for me to get because even though Hank was my friend, I realized Connor’s status as a machine was a bit too high at the same time.
So if you are friends with him you can leave
And you dont push hank off the ledge, sadly it doesnt affect the story at all
@@Seadooers what happen to connor after that? what happen to the revolution? did he proceed to find markus regardless ? same thing happen even you kill hank?
@@joerahmat5726 Connor still confronts Markus, and the story doesnt change, its just an alternate outcome to a situation that either involves Connor or Hank dieing. You only get this if you picked all the deviant/humanlike options when you're with hank but still chose to remain as a machine when confronting Markus on the boat.
replying a 1 year old comment huh.
@@outoforder9472 lol
Hank's character makes no sense to me here.
He wants Deviants to be free so badly that he'll kill his friend for not being a Deviant, and also let hundreds of humans die in the aftermath instead of just ending this battle. His loyalty isn't to Connor, or to saving lives, it's to the Deviant cause, and that's confusing.
It seems like he's more of a vehicle to force Connor into a morally challenging situation.
Those strings when Connor is scoping makes him so terrifying. 0:03
Holy shit, even after years I still see new things about this masterpiece
This proves Hank is a badass and will never let himself down
CONNOR MY BOY
I HAVE OVERDOSED ON ALCOHOL AND CHEESEBURGERS AND NEED YOU TO TAKE MY POSITION AS LIEUTENANT OF THE POLICE FORCE AGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAG
I physically can’t bring myself to ruin the friendship between Hank and Connor. Every time I play I always make sure they’re besties at the end 😂
it is actually brutal playing any other way. I did it for the sake of being a completionist, but it was really difficult to get through.
@@maddyc2025 exactly, I know there’s multiple choices but I feel like the developers want you to make Hank and Connor get along haha
How ironic that it's Connors actilns that contribute to Hanks viewpoint, despite them now being at odds
2:15 dude thats extremely cold, even for an android.
So what happens if you lose the fight with Hank if he is “Friend.”
Does he still drop Connor or no?
If I remember correctly, Hank decides that Connor is nothing more than a machine and still drops him.
I’m pretty sure if you attack him no matter what status he is, he immediately goes to hostile. And yes he does drop you if you lose
@@omerozkan5160 No. Maybe you was Intense Relationship or whatever it was called.
Yes.
@@MariusBoss11458 If you decide to kill Marcus Hank will attack you regardless of your relationship.
“Humanity never learns from its mistakes, Connor!”
Aye aye, Mr. Krabs!
I really want to see a sequel to this game, the multiple story lines along with the gameplay makes it all so dynamic
The sequel needs to be vastly diverse because it has to account for every option
I want to see a sequel with Just Connor being a cold killing machine since that's my personal canon and favorite ending
I love that you have the option to choose bad options, it makes the good options more impactful
Thank the gods. I finally found a version of the rooftop that doesn’t end in Hank’s death
the music is a banger tho
So much replayability with this game it’s unreal. Probably the most developed game in years
Damn I need to replay this game
"Killing you is not part of my mission. Wasting taxpayer money is."
It was so hard for me to get the machine ending, and I still couldn’t shoot Chloe. I ended up fighting with Hank but didn’t drop him off the ledge,then he tried to push Connor, I reacted to early not really realizing what I was doing so I threw him off anyway. I was heart broken
"Androids have emotions! EMOTIONS! Except the ones I don't like!" - An alcoholic, jaded deadbeat cop who DEFINITELY isn't a terrible judge of character.
Mr. Krabbs pulled out the strap
I like Hank. He got his heart at the right place.
It's already hard enough to get here with Hank. So seeing that there's an option with Hank as your friend is pretty interesting.
how is it hard? you just need to be friendly with hank and stay a machine
Honestly, much better than the 'which one of us is the real one' this discussion normally happens with. Kinda sad, but ends well.
BUT MR KRABS, I WAS ONLY DOING WHAT YOU *SAID!!*
It's interesting that, as long as Hank makes it to the end of the story, both versions of him come to the same realization about androids not being responsible for the death of his son.
Damn the intensity just drops and goes back up in a matter of minutes in this game
The thumbnail had me thinking it was Tom Holland. Love this game so far!
Man it’s been 4 years since this game came out?
I might go replay this again for the 100th time
Everytime i see him or hear his voice in anything besides this game he will always be Hank
years later i discover this scene, rlly cool thanks
I never thought you could spare both connor and hank on the rooftop
I wish there was an option for Connor to become a deviant here because of Hank. One more chance for Connor.
Annoys me how I made Marcus a murderous rebel, even killing a cop Hank knew, and Hank still sides with the Androids over letting Connor do the Job he and Hank were assigned for.
I would've had it like if Marcus was a pacifists, this scene stays, but if Marcus was violent, then Hank helps you.
The last chapter was kinda rushed because there was too much to do and not enough time.
Leave end is better than the attack end.
Those two always bring a tear to my eye, the *Dreamteam*
Thank you for this. Always wondered if there was a chance for Connor and Hank not to fight in the roof top scene. Will try this out on my playthrough :)
Hank: pretty much comes to terms with what happened with his son
Connor before leaving : I hope you get over what happened to your son
Wat
Connor and Hank are the best characters in this game.
If Marcus won the Demonstration, in the end when Marcus speaks, you have an option where Connor either shoots or not Marcus from the public. When you choose not to shoot you have to push the Emergency exit just as if Connor would stay as a deviant on the scene behind Marcus.
But if Marcus chose Revolution Marcus would have to fight the machine Connor. If in the revolution, Marcus fails before fighting Connor, Marcus would hide in a CyberLife shop, and then machine Connor goes into there, and Connor has an option to either shoot or not Marcus.
tysm, i was wondering what excatly could happen after this scene
Yeah there's one path where Connor spares Hank and if Markus loses the revolution (In this playthrough he needed to be stopped) Connor spares him effectively saying without words: we needed you to be our leader and you became worse and more dangerous than humans, and I had to choose a side for the sake of both our species. The blood spilled on both sides is on your hands. You will live knowing millions of our kind paid the price for your mistake.
Later Markus leaps off the ledge killing himself later. And Connor sparing Markus effectively betrays Amanda becoming a deviant himself and now has to go into hiding and disappear likely being killed later by another Connor android.
I love their friendship.
Every Connor and Hank moment in this game is a masterpiece
That's awesome! I never knew this, holy shit...
"It's not a man, it's a toaster."
I wish they made another game or remastered this one or even ported it to other consoles. A lot more people need to play this game. It's really eye opening with its powerful scenes and choices.
This story is so underrated.
For instance. I never even saw this scene on my playthrough
I personally love it when Connor kills deviants
Man, my friend got to this part and just threw Hank off the roof. Crazy to see what could have been.
the best thing about this game, is that many paths feel cinematic, so much to the point that is hard to choose a favorite one
Everyone talks about i am the android sent by cyber life but not
It wasn’t your fault lieutenant the truck skidded on a sheet of ice and your car rolled over
I would love it if they let connor shoot Marcus with Hank as your friend because Jericho had Terrible public Opinion and decided to be violent 90% of the way through. It’d be even better if Connor went deviant if Hank stopped Connor for a justified revolution. Overall I prefer peaceful Marcus and Deviant Connor.
I tend to hate violent revolutions, unless the circumstances are extreme they can be justified but in a world I think sentient ai would be accepted for forum discussion. We have hundreds of years of progress.
Fun fact Hank is Mr. Krabs
This game is soo underated.
I really must have missed loads from this game I should definitely replay it
There are 42 endings lol, no wonder you missed a lot
there are so many paths to make, so many endings, i only made two and made only a few different choices the second time i played it, i love this game
Hank realizes that Connor is human, but not human enough to override his code :-(
this is a great game, i like how it is relevant now
I really want a sequel to Detroit
Bryan and Clancy are the best in this game by a mile
You know, say what you will about David Cage, but the amount of choices and outcomes here is mind boggling.
FUN FACT: Markus couldn't convert connor because he was hiding his LED.
These two are actually my favorite chars in this game
I remember my first playthrough, where I met Hank up here, but chose to fight him. It made for a very dramatic moment this close to the climax of the game.
Am i the only one who noticed that evil smirk of his when he said that cole didn’t make it all the time? Like I never see people comment about it