The Most Human Character in The Lord of the Rings
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To GRRM: Why are non of your white walkers GAY? I think you should make several of them non straight to better represent them or show they were kiled by homophobic gay hating giants before man came to be? Because we need to have realism in a world that has hetersexual rellationships that have caused entire wars.
I disagree with George RR Martin so much here. Tolkien was not a bad writer because he didn't expand in great detail on the hero's journey arc (and the overall story arc, where the bad side is defeated, and the good side is successful, and lives happily ever after). Maybe it was a bit simplistic, but structurally, there's absolutely nothing wrong with reaching the desired conclusion within the confines of the story, as that was indeed the goal everybody was striving for.
"Yes there is weakness, there is frailty, but there is courage also, and honour to be found in men"
What a beautiful line.
Tolkien was able to use such a humans Human to say that. May we all be more like Boromir, and defend all of humanity with all that we are, faults and flaws included.
It's a powerful one. I hate how much undervalued is the depiction of being human in the media and It Is why I love Boromir's line because It helps us to remind that there Is much more than just weakness and pitiness within humanity.
I love that line from Boromir
Yes, humans are frail, vulnerable and corruptiple and can fall into path of darkness, but humans aren't just capable of doing horrible deeds. Humans are capable of doing good, they can compassionate and empathetic and kind. All those things are shown in Boromir.
Isildur falls to the power of the ring. And does not wise up to his mistake, uses the power of the ring for himself. Which ultimately leads to his death running away from his people who need his help in the ambush, instead trying to save himself. He gets 3 arrows in the back….
Boromir falls for the power of the ring. Realises his mistake, realises the power of the ring and where his desperation to do good has lead him to forsake Frodo his friend and whom he’s sworn to protect. Leads him to his death running towards enemies rather than away. Trying to save anyone but himself. He gets 3 arrows in the front….
Beautifully poetic end to the most relatable character in this series.
That moment when the human character is the most human character.
What
+Steven Peeckford
there are just a few human characters in that book/movie.
most of them are dwarphs, orks, hobbits, elves, treemen etc.
The Unknown Otaku yeah))))))
The humanest.
Oh, shit I know you
Geez, Tolkien wanted to write a cool fantasy world, not an economic manifesto.
ur comment made me crack up a bit lol
Well,right!
The first thing I thought was the same thing as you lol but it’s probably what gave birth to his writing style. I’d say he’s probably more inspired than critical of Lord of the Rings.
Yeah I personally don't care for Martin's criticism of Tolkien. For one the story of the Ring has ended, go into detaail about Aragorn's policy as King is irrelevant as it is time to wrap things up, not time to discuss the Kingdom's finances. Which by the way Martin isn't this a bit pot calling the kettle black here? What are the policies of any of your Kings/Queens or other Lords (outside of plot relevant tid-bits)? As for things such as what happened to the Orcs in the Forth Age; well guess what Martin the information is out there, specifically in other books so as to be available for those who want to find out and for it to not intrude the story for those who are uninterested in such things.
For the record I know this is quite a big rant out of nowhere, it's mainly just that I've been on a big LotR binge the last few days so I got my hackles up when I saw that blummin' Martin interview again 😂feels good to get it out of my system y'know? Anyway whoever is still reading this, have a good day :D
@@JDBD13 I'm right there with you, and honestly? I don't think Martin gets room to say anything considering he royally screwed up the show he helped write and produce based on the book series he has yet to finish ( if he ever will, and in which the last two books imo have been such a ridiculous mess with entirely too much going on. I shouldn't need a flow chart to figure out who all these people are and where they came from and what THEIR claim to the throne is) lol
A small detail I really like in Fellowship of the Ring is that Aragorn wears Boromir’s bracers after his death, and continues to wear them throughout the rest of the trilogy. It’s symbolic of him carrying Boromir’s legacy until the end
You can actually see them in Elronds vision of the future of Aragorn and Arwen, when old Aragorn was being buried he was wearing them.
“And so a part of Boromir would return to the White City, as a passed Lord of Gondor, to be remembered under the sound of silver trumpets under the Tower of Ecthelion…”
Wow, thanks!
Vigo was the one who had the idea
@@oshura2506 I think Tolkien would have loved it
To GRRM: At least Tolkien finished his main story.
and several others
Ooohhh burn!
and when others took that story to make movies they made it so simple, that nobody needed nightgoogles to see one of the main battles
There were going to be sequel after lotr but he died. irronically its also possible for GRRM xD
And we will also dont know who was the king at the end at all
@Saima Fatima Ali Why would it be to depressing?
"Did he carry out genocide against Orcs?"
Considering the evil potato people consist on a diet of blood alcohol and Man-Flesh, I'd say that wouldn't be a bad idea.
Yeah don't we carry out genocides and mosquitoes and other such parasites?
@@jsgames6843 well we do in modern areas, but we understand misquitoes do have have important roll in the food chain.. Where as orcs were twisted by morgoth (basically the devil in middle earth. saurons original boss) . They are akin to demons and have no place in middle earth
@@jsgames6843 Can mosquitoes gather entire armies and storm cities with siege weapons?
Martin's critique is unfair IMHO. It's easy for him to say these things generations later. He didn't create the genre, Tolkien did. It's Tolkien's world, and Martin is just living in it...
I just get a sense of jealousy from his critique...even if he is generally correct in most of his observations.
@@dread-cthulu yeah it’s funny to hear him talk as if he didn’t sell out completely then ride off into the sunset clutching fat bags of cash while his story burned on the big screen.
Back then when I first watched the movie, when Boromir realizes his mistakes and weeps, I thought he was pathetic. Now as a grown adult I feel so much sad and empathetic towards him.
especially the theatric version does cut out alot of good qualities of Boromir. The extended version portrays him a bit better but, reading the book gives alot more insight into his character.
Yea, as a kid I rather disliked Boromir. But he easily grown into my favorite character.
Strangely enough, I've always liked him from the moment I saw the first film with my dad when I was 10
@@AndrewMRoots Same, he was always my favourite from day 1, reading the book(s) at 11 and seing FoTR at 12. Such a strong, great character. Flawed/vulnerable yes but only by circumstance.
I was one who loved him from the start, I did not know why at the time as a 6 year old boy, but I do now.
I also love the bond Boromir has with both Merry and Pippin. Their childlike innocence speaks to him because they don't know about the evils of the world from the Shire and Boromir wants to try and protect them and their innocence as both of them left the comfort of their home and also Rivendell to join Frodo on his journey and even takes up training the two in swordsmanship. Acknowledging that despite their innocence they still need to know how to defend themselves from the evils of the world.
Without that training, the lich king may have survived.
Hopefully someone will come along and answer this bc i dont feel like looking for it but i dont remember whether the sword training thing was ever explicitly in the books or if that was something from the movies, its a great detail nonetheless but I’d love to know who to attribute it to
@@WhobgobblinAo filme
As one of the greatest warriors of his people, I think he also admired that of all the Shire hobbits, those 2 may have been the only “warriors.” Elrond didn’t intend for the 2 of them to come. They didn’t volunteer because they wanted glory for saving the world. The mission itself was not even as important to them as making sure their friend had a safe journey. Gandalf, Sam, and Frodo we’re on this path from the start whether they knew it or not. Legolas, gimli, Aragorn, and even Gandalf are not a part of that group to protect someone they love. They’re all there due to a higher calling upon each of them. Boromir was a man of his people before anything, and he shared that with the hobbits.
“One does not simply walk into Mordor.”
The only person in that place who constantly fights at the borders of his kingdom in desperation to keep his people safe.
Exactly
Sean Bean is such a great actor, his portrayal of Boromir is phenomenal
Who’s Sean bean and boromir? You mean Lord Eddard Stark?
@@LegendInThaMakinwhose that? I think you mean Alec Trevelyan
@@MonkeyBanjo7I think you mean Richard Sharpe
Aragon rushes into the Great Hall "The Beacons of Minus tariff, The beacons are lit! Gondar calls for aid"
Theoden "But who will pay for it Aragon? I doubt Gondar can handle this debt right now and what will the interest rate on this be? No no It will have to wait and be addressed this in next years budget"
Unfortunately, Grima spent most of the money and sent it to Isengard. He had to make sure Saruman could afford the 150 silver coins a barrel loads of pipeweed.
Not that many medieval kings were all that worried about their finances.
In desperate times like covid and Ukraine, no one cares about economics.
spellcheck, please.
Theodon is king so money is no object to him, the resources of Rohan are his to command.
This sovereignty is actually one that states still have.
The thing that always struck me is that Aragorn never really smiles or seems very happy. Boromir seemed to have fun in life but that sort of emotion always made him vulnerable to the temptations of the ring. He's open hearted while Aragorn is close hearted.
Great observation!
True, it’s something Aragorn had to learn throughout the story.
Aragorn did smile when Boromir was teaching the hobbits how to fight, he even participes in the end
I always liked Boromir. He came across as a mix of failure, despair, courage, and redemption. It takes a great deal of guts to admit you were wrong and march to your doom. And his character was a beautiful thing, in some ways he reminds me of Lancelot.
Yes. Lancelot also has fallen for the illusion of his own perverted desires. He knew, that his passion was a destructive and dead striving, but he gave in, and lost his will power over his lust. He failed. But in the end, he still fought for the goodness, from which he once emerged. Just like Boromir, who gave is will power away for his perverted desire to use the ring. It was his passion, a dead striving, after something temporary and destructive, which could never be the purpose of itself, that drove him mad. But then in the end, he remembered, who he really was and sticked to his determination. He protected the hobbits to his death, out of love and loyalty. Just like Lancelot. They both were men, fighting for the free folk, both got corrupted by passion, but found redemption in the end, by sticking to the fight for good one last time.
From the books, I believe that boromir actually fails because he has the strongest will (the will to protect Gondor) but lacks the wisdom to recognize corruption through the power offered by the ring as opposed to faramir who understands and outright rejects the ring.
But Faramir had a way smaller role for Gondor with much less pressure. Gondor’s fate had been lying with Boromir for decades at the time he joined the Fellowship.
That’s the difference.
@@DivineHellas little known fact by movie watchers is actually in the books the council of elrond wasn't called all those people just happened to show up that day and elrond was like ok good lets get going. The reason boromir was there was because faramir was having dreams he should go to rivendell and denethor was like nah you cant go. So boromir volunteered to go instead to ease his brothers mind about the thing and denethor was like ok chill someone I can trust.
I remember watching this movie with my grandpa when I was like 10 years old.. I would always talk about how much I liked Gimli and how he was my favourite character because of his strength and simply how cool he was to me and when I asked my grandpa who his favourite character was he replied with Boromir and when I asked him why he would be his favourite since he died and put everything the fellowship had worked for in danger he just asked me in return ,,What makes a hero". When I grew older and watched the movies again and had read the books I slowly began to realize what he meant. He passed away last year due to a tumor in his head also causing memory loss for him. But in one of his clear moments we had a chat about the LOTR movies and books again and he surprisingly asked me if I remembered what he asked me all those years ago and if I had found an answer. And I said Yes I did: Being human is what makes a hero.
This comment make me cry. You've got a good grandpa
Wow, thanks for sharing this story. It really shows how impactful Tolkien's work is since it can pierce through time and sickness. The same applies for music; people suffering from Altzheimer's disease etc. can truly connect with their surroundings again when they hear a familiar song that has been important to them. Because of your story it seems to me that your grandpa not only valued Tolkien but also your learning and wanted to know if you had understood his meaning. You must have been very important to him. I think I'm starting to cry too.
We can try being hero-ish, but trying is sometimes all we can do.
The extended cuts really add so much depth to his character, makes him even more likeable
But not the finances the real questions
@@chewtoffee5912 I'm starvin for economic answers... We had nothin but maggoty tidbits of info for 7 stinkin decades !
But did Boromir file his taxes? Did he have a well-thought out pension plan... You know, we just don't get real answers from these books and movies... I don't even know what his favorite food is or if he is an A or B person... So many important things that go unanswered.
Just out of curiousity: Jave you just been mocking G.R.R. Martin? :D
Yes. You cannot write a whole aftermath containing 3 extra books, i mean look at Martin. He hasnt even finished his epos yet, what is his authority?
Yes, Martin is an arrogant idiot.
taxes. even jedi's cant figure them out
You're absolutely right. I mean, what was Tolkien thinking? You can't just end a 1,000 page novel about an epic quest to defeat a dark lord without following it up with a detailed analysis of the victorious country's economic and trade policies, cultural impact and development, and influence on the defeated armies for the next 500 years. smh
"Oh hey a video essay on Lord of the Rings, this will be enjoyable."
*Watches video*
"What's this wetness I feel in my eyes?"
saddest point in the movie in my opinion.
One of the saddest points in any movie
Damn onion ninjas
It's the onions....
and the music
I'm not crying, my eyes are just a little sweaty today.
Looking back at how Gondor protected the entire realm from Mordor for a long time, while most other races did nothing, puts an important piece in Borimirs character. He has a sense of pride in Gondor, for all that theyve done. It kinda kicks off his relationship with everyone else.
Yea, that's why the whole "where was Gondor?" argument always bugs me.
On the blood of our people are your lands kept safe!
To be fair the Rangers of the North do something similar for the Lands of Arnor, which are the lands surrounding Bree and the Shire. Arnor is for the most part abandoned frontier wilderness for various reasons.
Not sure if this is correct or not, but I have also heard that Boromir has seen war and fought since age 12, all his life he has known nothing but having to protect Gondor
@@SilverDragoon7395fighting small orc holdouts and trolls which are vestiges from an old and evil kingdom that no longer exists is different from fighting sauron and his hundreds of thousands of orcs head on with no help.
In light of GRRM's remarks, we should remember that the story is told, primarily from Frodo's perspective.
He is the narrator and wrote these chapters of the 'Red Book'.
It is only through, his writing in the 'Red Book', that we learn anything at all about the story.
Boromir's fall points out an important lesson about life. Evil actions don't just come from base emotions like greed, anger and lust. Emotions generally thought of as more virtuous, like love and a selfless desire to protect the innocent, can also lead a person to commit acts of cruelty.
Boromir was weak-willed, he was corruptable, he cracked under the pressure, he committed an act in anger that he regrets later. But he was also brave, he was kind, he was noble and honorable, he took responsibility for his actions, he was loyal to his country, his family and his companions, and his heart was in the right place. Boromir represents the kind of man that I think we shouldn’t outright aspire to, but one we can all, very realistically and even hopefully, be. He, like us, was both weak and vulnerable and prone to let his emotions overpower logical reasoning, but he was still a fundamentally good person that was able to see value in his people despite their obvious flaws, which is something I believe we are capable of as well.
Boromir is not weak willed, he is actually very strong in terms of his will. He's just a human and humans in LOTR are weak sauce against Sauron's ability to tempt them which is why Faramir is so fucking rare an individual (Aragorn is half elven and doesn't count) and why hobbits were so important. If Boromir was weak of will he would have died to the first arrow or fallen into despair, instead he fought on and gave his life to save his companions. He realised he fucked up, and instantly went to attempt to fix his mistake.
Laurie Aragorn is strictly speaking very, very distant elven. And if what you’re saying is right, then Boromir is weak-willed, at least relative to the other characters in the story.
Filip Stellberg well he does have will than a lot human characters in the story while less than faramir and aragorn definitely more than theoden and denethor
Δημητρης Στεφανιδης Oh yes, that’s true.
Will is a personal trait. People in our world can have strong or weak wills. Resisting the ring is not about your will. It's about your ability to resist Sauron's magic. Most of the hobbits would be considered as weak willed, Merry and Pippin for example are much weaker willed than Boromir, but hobbits are just more resistant to magic and the Lord of the Rings is about how Sauron gets defeated because he completely overlooks them. I'm not saying Aragorn was weak willed, but he has more inherent magical resistance than Boromir who was a pure human which is why the ring had such a hold on him despite the fact that he never touched it.
Also neither of us brought up the concept of ambition, which is probably another part of why Boromir was more easily corruptible than Aragorn or Faramir, both of whom had very minor ambitions (make daddy love me for Faramir and bop the elf girl for Aragorn). Boromir wanted to save his nation and actually save the entire world in the process.
Boromir was always my favourite character. He represents a more 'real' version of men - inherently flawed but still striving to do the right thing. While the rings desire did corrupt him, he had good intentions initially and when realising he has succumbed, he redeems himself in a blaze of glory for the hobbits. Aragorn always struck me as too perfect in comparison.
Never thought about his death being so pivotal for Aragorn's change of mind. It seems like he sort of just naturally gravitates toward fulfilling his destiny as King, but your point that Boromir's sacrifice and final words began this transition is spot on
Ironic that George R.R. Martin should be saying that, because it's quite possible the non existence of the latest book in A Song of Ice and Fire is the exact reason why Tolkien did not include all that stuff after the main plot of the trilogy was resolved; because the trilogy would never have been resolved.
Nelson Smith perfect response. Three cheers for you.
Well said, Nelson Smith.
In the nature of the case, all stories are incomplete. There is always something to come after the close, to ask “And what happened next ?” about. One has to impose a guillotone at some point, if the story is to end. And TLOTR is not about the 120-year reign of Aragorn, but about the events that made it (and a great many other things) possible.
Tolkien adds just the right amount of seasoning; Martin over salts his dish nearly every time. Tolkien puts his story to bed as the sun declines, whereas his modern contemporary gives us data overload. An analogy that shows us the disparity of the worlds they inhabit.
Debbie Garrett ASOIAF is...not short, but, it is short compared with the Wheel of Time series, that extends to 14 books & 11,963 pages. I prefer Tolkien, who, as you say, knows when to stop :)
Its not necessarily about when to stop, but its different approaches. They are both writing war-stories, as they both claimed or is obvious in the case of Tolkien. Tolkiens LotR and even the Hobbit are both heavily insipired by his own time in WW1. The stories are focused around the adventures and hardship of a group of soldiers in war, especially in the Lord of the Rings, in the Hobbit its shifted into a mostly adventure setting, but those parallels and inspirations are still there. So Tolkien is very focused because the story itself is focused on the adventures of a few characters, the whole war of the Ring is just a backdrop, especially in the books. The movies put the war and the world a bit more into the front, while the books are more focused on the fellowship. It doesn't matter what happens politically, unless characters are directly involved in it at the time, like Elronds council, or when Aragorn and co arrived at Edoras or Minas Tirith. But its all just a backdrop. Everything that happens around it and especially before it is told in the Silmarillion. Who Sauron is, where he came from, how the one Ring and the other Rings were forged, and by whom. How the Kingdoms of Humans and Elves formed in middle Earth. The Story about Numenor, about Elendil and his sons. About the Wizards. All that and more is in the Silmarillion, which helps the LotR to be focused. And everything besides the fellowship did really matter much, like tax policies. That was just never part of the story, with GRRM, everything is part of the story, from characters personal experiences to politics and policies, social issues, Religion.
GRRM put a lot of that into the Book-Series, but he also gives less answers about the past, while Tolkien pretty much maps it all out in the Silmarillion. With GRRM, the scope is just much bigger, and there are much more characters. And the world is less black and white, and more inspired by our history, rather than personal experiences in War. Just the scope of things is making A Song of Ice and Fire a much longer and bigger story with more ground to cover. So many characters at so many locations. Tolkien kept that rather focused on one group and then later two groups when they split up. So LotR is in itself much shorter and compact, which is certainly good for a story. I personally like the way GRRM writes on this big scale with stuff happening everywhere, but its certainly a very different read in comparison, and I understand that some people find that way too much, especially when the scope kept widening with more characters coming in, and more regions and places.
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Sword and Bored Sooo, Chuck Norris?
Aaron Grier nope, Gandalf
Madara Uchiha I dunno, I still say that sounds like Chuck Norris.
Aaron Grier maybe it is him as well, idk
Madara Uchiha And I thought the only other person who could do that besides Chuck is Segata Sanshiro, there is much about the world that I still don't know! 😵
G.R.R.Martin must not have read the epilogue of LOTR books or the other works such as the Silmarillion. Tolkien addresses much of his concerns there. King Aragorn gives up his claim to the shire and Bree to the locals and pledges to keep them safe from outside threats. In fact, outside men are forbidden to enter to preserve the quality and innocence of life there. Furthermore, Aragorn defeats the threats of evil men in three other campaigns, releasing all who were captured on oaths of peace to never threaten Gondor again. Aragorn exiles the man who killed the steward's guards in the books from ever seeing Minas Tirith again. His wife Arwen assists him in various tasks but especially in restoring ravaged lands to fertility. The list goes on for quite some time. Aragorn is shown by Tolkien through these and other actions how wisely he ruled both his natural subjects and those he subjugated. Also, G.R.R.Martin is silly for not understanding that one cannot 'reach out' to the orcs and try and get them into the "mainstream"' because that is literally not possible.
GRRM should teach his dragons to speak English before he wants to reach out to orcs.
To be fair tolkien said orcs would be redeemed by the end of time
@@martinscarton4561 If you can find where he said that then great, but I'm pretty sure he never said that.
@@spasjt he says that they are redeemable. It’s in one of his letters where he was going to say that orcs were irredeemable but didn’t feel comfortable with that statement because he believed all things should have a chance to redeem themselves, just the likely hood of any orc seeking out redemption is slim.
Basically they would be either too filled with hate and arrogance or too afraid of the Valar to do so. But it would be possible with the right circumstance that some orcs could redeem themselves.
@@Maryland2 I dunno. It sounds like an idea he toyed with more than something he seriously was considering.
I dont care what anyone says, the lord of the rings is the best fantasy ever written and put to screen! I love GRRMs work and even with the moral complexity of his stories it still doesn't come close to anything Tolkien has created.
by far i agree. there are no words to describe the sheer amount of love i have for lotr
@Daniel Jaramillo Nobody asked for your opinion either
@Daniel Jaramillo Thank you very much
@Daniel Jaramillo then why are you in this video?
He wouldn't have written his books wothout standing on Tolkiens back.
During the Battle of Pelennor Fields, as well as the Battle of the Black Gates, a part of me wished that Boromir was leading the charge with the fellowship, everytime I watch it. :(
Have you ever seen it, Aragorn? The White Tower of Ecthelion, glimmering like a spike of pearl and silv..silver.. *cries*
I would have followed you, my brother...
*sobs*
My captain...
*wet eyes*
My king!
*tears along cheeks*
That makes me sad when I play the he Battle for Middle Earth. You have the option of saving Boromir during his fight with Lurtz and he'll continue on with the fellowship in all the remaining battles. It doesn't change the story in any manor, but it still makes you think what could've been. RIP Boromir.
Me too........... 😞
@@JonathanLauzon next time, I will be swimming in tears!
Its banners caught high in the morning breeze....
Have you ever been called home by the clear sounding of silver trumpets?
Boromir has always been my favorite Tolkein character. And his death scene in the film is one of the best death scenes in all film. Such a powerful, redeeming sacrifice.
100% agree. That shot where he is on his knees and looks at merry and pippin before getting back up is amazing.
12:37 the scene with his brother Faramir both smiling, it's just too beautiful 🤍
Sean bean was such an amazing cast choice. Just the way he can play these types of roles comes off so naturally and effortlessly looking.
I always thought Fellowship was the best of the 3. That brotherhood, going on a journey together was something special. Boromir may not be "the chose one" or "the hero in shining armor" but he is the heart and soul of that brotherhood.
I'm glad I came across a video like this. I never analyze these movies as I just try to enjoy them as much as I can. So I often don't realize things like these.
He is a hero with generous intentions unlike isildur.
He wasn't the chosen one or the hero.... He was the man who showed the hero how to be heroic
@@thezord6686 İsildur also was a good person, not in the movies tho.
@Jermare you're right he is not bad person in movie too but not gonna line. He is kind a looks like an ass hole and in the books he is one of best person in the numenor and way better than his movie versions because we know what kind of accomplishment he achieved before The battle of last alliance.
@Jermare I think biggest difference between book and movie İsuldur is the fact that he actually knew ring must be destroyed and he refused it and didn't actually tried to destroy him although I am aware he can't do this even He want it. In the book version no one knows ring must be destroyed Elrond and Cirdan has sus. But İsildur took the ring in the sake of his death brother and father. They don't know what will happen if they don't destroy the ring. Elrond just felt ambitious and vicious of ring but He don't know the fact that Sauron can come back from the death because of the ring or something like this
Least Tolkien finished his epic George your have no right to criticise his ending lol
He wasn't criticizing it. And he can btw, that argument is dumb.
Critiscism is every consumers right, doesn't mean it's always true, or false...
It's the stuff he criticises that makes me laugh lol. "Well, what happened to the orcs?" I assume they left the ones that were left in the depths from which they came? Either that or a genocide of sorts. Either way, the tale was about the ring.. And that aspect of Middle Earth is wrapped up. Why you care George?? O.o
@@Descro382 what's wrong with him caring, everyone has different interests and it shows the difference between him Tolkien
@@lock376 absolutely! And I completely agree with you! I'm just saying these weren't the merits Tolkien was trying to express with his story. They weren't things he was exploring in the quest of the ring. Am I glad that Martin takes these things into consideration for his own writing and builds on them? Absolutely. But I don't think they're completely relevant complaints in this instance
Very beautifully spoken. Boromir is an amazing character. Sean Bean portrays him with such skill. It is heartbreaking to see his blatant humanity and how the darkness takes advantage of him. It adds much meaning to all of the things that come after... including Faramir's choices. Aragorn was propelled forward by his relationship with Boromir and if you are going for archetypes or literary symbolism... Boromir represents Adam... humanity that succumbs to temptation and falls... Aragorn represents the second Adam... a Christ figure in literary terms. But his realization of that destiny could not occur without the influence of Boromir as up until his time together with him in the fellowship, Aragorn has no intention of going near his destiny. Yes... Boromir is very deep and layered and though I knew, as a writer myself, that his death was inevitable and the right thing to write... I hated that it happened because Tolkien, while making Boromir human, flawed and conflicted... also made him very likeable and Sean Bean was the one who brought that likeability to life.
I love your analysis. Sean Bean was one of the greatest casting calls in cinema history. What a gift we all have been given with the movie trilogy. I'm thankful to be alive to have experienced it. All without mention to the books and world tolkien has created for us to experience outside of the movie trilogy. Spoiled we all are.
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Aleczandxr brilliant video! Such art deserves a subscribe, even if it’s not you’re usuall videosubject. Keep it up
Aleczandxr yeah, this is true. Still a good video tho.
Terminator Palm Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
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Do not underestimate the lure of a LOTR video. Tis’ a powerful force.
i remember boromirs death being the first scene in a movie that consistently made me cry as a wee lil boi
I was six years old when I saw Fellowship in theaters. I don't remember doing so, but according to my father I was crying on the car ride home over Boromir. And then we proceeded to see the movie five more times over the next month.
Ryan Kent id say 6 years old is a little young to watch lotr but i guess you had a wonderful experience.
Ryan Kent oh my god same. I grew up having a LOTR marathon with my step-dad almost every sunday as a kid, I was around 5 when I watched it for the first time and I cried when boromir died too, still makes me sad to this day.
lol I still choke back tears in that scene
My eyes get wet even when I just think about that scene. Still can't watch it without crying like a baby. :(
Not was I was expecting from you, but I approve; I loved boromir’s character; he is the definition of the road to hell is paved with good intentions
you would know plenty about that road, wouldn't you inquisitor?
Nick Freeman the road to exterminatus is paved with the Emperors will
Well, he at the very least realized his mistake at some point and did his damndest to try and redeem himself. Whether he succeeded or not is it's own debate.
Still, I still raise a cup for the great Captain of Gondor, when I remember Sean Bean throwing the branches at the ground with frustration, and saying 'I just want power to defend my people!'
Tyler I think he died in honor
Boromir has always been my favourite character. He’s the best.
I feel like George R.R. Martin only says those things, because he is jealous of Tolkien's work 🙃
I don’t think he’s jealous of Tolkien. He loves Tolkien and admires his work. He also said that Tolkien is one of his greatest influences as a writer, although I haven’t had a chance of watching this video yet.
Yuki Yuki I’m sure he understands this, but at the same time he’s not wrong that Tolkien leaves a lot of questions unanswered and overall portrays a more simplified world.
Tolkien’s work is mostly about the dichotomy between good and evil, while Martin’s work is about gray morality and what role our choices, personalities, and emotions play in human conflicts.
It’s not like Martin is denigrating Tolkien’s writing, he’s just pointing out it’s a different kind of story which doesn’t grapple with the themes of a more true to life fantasy world which readers may find interesting.
This or he simply doesn't understand it.
@Big Chap he calls into question about the difficulty of ruling and how it's hard to get many different people to work together. It's something he addresses on his own books. Because no matter what you do there are those will disagree and oppose you.
The things that George talks about are what make Tolkien great. It's a different genre, it's the classical epic, man against himself, good vs evil, that myth that goes to the heart of human experience. Tax details have no place in this story, they do in a song of ice and fire, and all of that made a song of ice and fire amazing and realistic, but its also why it will never reach the level of lord of the rings.
Not all genres, or story archetypes are created equal, Comedy, porn, action movies, they all have a certain purpose, they all have a worthy reason for existence, but they are shallow enjoyment.
The serious and realistic stands above it, it changes more lives, has a greater impact. Everyone might love a funny comedy, but no one will say it molded who they are as a person. ASOIAF does, but there is one thing that stands above it.
A type of fantasy that does not realistically portray how things were, but abstracts concepts in such a way that it resonates with the human soul. These are stories that are told throughout the ages, that endure. Those were the stories that stayed with you, that meant something, even if you were too small to understand why.
People who think LotR has no nuance didn't understand it. The good vs evil is the backdrop in which the personal struggles take place. Same with Star Wars, the light side and the dark side don't truly mean that there is objective good and objective evil, they are merely meant to contrast the characters inner struggles.
The whole point is that even in Middle earth, with true good and true evil, the real battle is intimate and personal.
Hell, I think the best example of why Lord of the rings does this right, is my own journey, when I first watched LotR back when I was 14, I watched it more superficially, and genuinely thought Boromir was a bad guy, lord of the rings IS what made me reconsider these black and white views. Even now, 16 years later, I can read the books and find myself understanding and relating to the characters more and more.
I don't think Boromir was weaker willed, I simply think he lacked conviction. The ring got to Boromir through compassion and despair. Aragorn, Gandalf, and Galadriel can all resist the ring because they are aware they have to. Boromir isn't, he doubts the wise, and believes he could withstand the ring, he barely fights the rings pull, he probably could, but he never believes he has to, because he sets out with the belief that he could own the ring and not be corrupted. Its not until he falls to the ring that he understands the ring the same way Gandalf and Galadriel and Aragorn already do. I honestly think that he could have resisted it afterwards (not indefinitely, but no one can).
Great post, agree completely.
I agree with you. I also read the stories many times over the years and the way I read them and portray the characters for myself changed over time. But as dived deeper and read the Silmarillion with all its mythological stories about Valar and the great evil Melkor one thing came into my mind: The Evil wasn't made to stand a chance. At first this might sound obvious ? Everyone likes a story were characters struggle through some kind of antagonistic actions and it should feel like the Evil is close to suceed but ultimately gets destroyed. So for LotR standalone it works pretty well. But as I mentioned, in the context of the Silmarillion, it wouldn't have mattered if Sauron had won or not - atleast in the long run. Of course, thousand of people would have suffered and died and so on. But only in Saurons small globule: At some point of Saurons reign the Valar would have sent the big guns. I know, they could not interfere directly because it would destroy Middle Earth but they could sent more Maiar than just 5 Istarii. Much more. And Saurons Level, even with Ring, is just a fraction of Melkors power. I know that this not the point in LotR and there is only one true contact point between the stories (the Balrog). But it is different to other real life mythologies were the gods and so on are embodiements of unexplainable nature phenomenons and the humans get in contact through worship and prayer. In this universe the gods only live on the other coast line a few thousand kilometers away. And there is no need to believe because there is proof that they exist. Some witnesses even play a crucial role in the LotR. Of course, the long run as I depict it here doesn't matter for the people of Gondor when Minas Tirith burns but I ask myself the question why the Valar only send 5 Istari (mediocre powerful Maiar) for help and not Eonwe (as Manwes Herold) at the top of an elite task force (the name doesn't fit, I know) to support the people of Middle Earth. You could argue, that this was not the way Manwe envisioned the song of Eru but that would seem like a pull-off to me. And yes, I know this would make the the storytelling sore and dull but that does not deny the fact that the context still exist: Personally, I think the context the Silmarillion gives makes the story rich and meaningful and immersive but in the same way it is the biggest flaw of Tolkiens tale.
But I love Boromirs character aswell as a symbol of human struggle :)
Great post. Saruman believed the same; and look how deep he succumbed (even in the books). But The Ring had a far more lethal path to corrupt him: Pride.
These subtle lessons that you find and notice in the trilogy is what makes LoTR great to read repeatedly.
Tolkien really understood humans well. Boromier’s mindest of doubting the knowledge of Wizards and Elves and wanting the power for himself and his country is a good depiction of humanity in 2020.
"the light side and the dark side don't truly mean that there is objective good and objective evil"
Uh, yes...there _is_ objective good and evil in the Star Wars universe.
One simply doesn't make a video about Boromir, unless you're my boi Aleczandxr.
When I was a young kid, Legolas was my favorite, he was so awesome. Then Gimli, funny and hardcore! Then Aragorn, when I was a teenager. He was simply perfect. Later on, it was Boromir, for most of the things you've explained ❤️
I teared up during this video. I’m starting to think it’s a deep-seated Pavlovian response at this point, because I cry Almost every single time I hear Boromir speak. He is the one I relate with most; he represents my fears for myself, what I might become despite my best intentions. And then his redemption gives me hope as well. It would be an honor to be like Boromir in the end, as well.
GRRM's criticism is irrelevant because what he's asking for isn't the focus of the narrative.
People always portray this as a “criticism” from GRRM but it’s more of an observation. He only ever brings it up when people compare ASOIAF to LOTR and he just chooses to illustrate the difference between the two with that quote.
@@thewalkingwhit3670 Umm... except they do?
If you actually took the time to listen to the entirety of the GRRM quote about Tolkien, here's what he had to say:
“*Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with.* Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone - they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?”
GRRM's answer to Tolkien is depicting ruling as something that is hard, and showing that being a good person doesn't necessarily mean your rule is prosperous.
Jon and Dany's chapters almost completely revolve around the difficulty of leadership and its intricacies. Even Ned and Tyrion's times as Hand covers this.
Next time, instead of bandwagoning and cherrypicking information, actually give it some thought. Also, I've been a massive LOTR fan since I could read, I'm really not biased towards ASOIAF.
It's not criticism. Martin talking about it in the context of his story. About how HE focuses on how a king should rule and Tolkien doesn't.
@@thewalkingwhit3670 Sorry, but no, from your initial comment, there is NO way to deduce that you were "agreeing that it was not criticism but STILL an odd string of examples to make regardless." Your comment specifically said "it's not like his books answer those types of questions either." I answered by saying they do.
What I put into asterisks is the takeaway of GRRM's point, not the rest. He doesn't need to talk about tax policy or maintenance of standing armies or systematic genocide because those elements aren't pertinent to the story of his characters. Although, examples off the top of my head for the maintenance of armies are chapters following Stannis and Robb. I don't need to cite what you asked for because they're irrelevant to the point.
The point he brings up is the depiction of ruling as a difficult task, even for the virtuous. Ned Stark tried to rule as Hand of the King and got his head lobbed off. Robb Stark tried ruling as a just and fair King in the North and got decimated. Renly was said to be kind and compassionate yet even his army fell apart once he was assassinated, whoever banded together for his cause immediately gave up after his death (no Baratheon equivalent for the Northern Conspiracy).
Fire and Blood shows there are a number of Targaryens with good rules. Read up on Jaehaerys I, Viserys I, Viserys II and Daeron II, they come to mind as good Targaryen kings.
You're right about Robert and Ned, their friendship brought about the longest bout of peace the realm had seen for a while. Although once they were axed it was a free for all.
I think you're taking the quote way too literally. GRRM isn't even making the point Tolkien needed to specifically answer those questions. He's just saying the difference between his series and Tolkien's is his would focus on answering that TYPE of question, and showing the challenges of maintaining rule.
I don't think what I said was redundant or pseudo-intellectual. I wasn't trying to posture as some intellectual, I was giving my opinion.
Not saying you accused me of bias either. Just wanted to mention it for transparency's sake.
Let's drop this confrontational pretense. I realize how the last sentence of my reply can be seen as accusatory and pretentious, for that I apologize. We're disagreeing, but that's no need for the crappy undertones right?
@VineFynn THIS!
I've been saying it for years. Bormir is the reason why the quest and destruction of the one ring was possible. He had to die or else Faramir would've not turned down the ring. He would've not helped frodo or sam get to mordor. The breaking of the fellowship was ironically critical to its success. They had to split or else rohan would of fallen, gondor would've been a smothering wreck.
It was characters making terrible decisions that turned right in the end, but thats why I like LOTR, characters making sacrifices that were meaningful. Hence why I agree Bormir is the most human of all the characters and the exemplar of the human condition and something that was deeply meaningful to Aragorn its why he took his gauntlets and parts of his gear. To remember him and accepting his duty as king.
I see were you come from. But it is still a story with many what if's. If the Fellowship didn't fall apart on that day maybe they wouldn't have met Faramir and the rangers and even if they did, Boromir would be with them. In the same manner you could say that the destruction of the ring was only possible because the Fellowship leaved Rivendell.
Get this clear, I totally love the character of Boromir as he is packed with flaws, not "protected" by destiny like Aragorn and still tries to do the right thing (no pun against Aragorn but yeah he is still some kind of chosen one). And I also agree that this sybolism effects the rest of the Fellowship especially Merry, Pippin and Aragorn :)
@@NERDAiR Boromir would not have been with Faramir and the rangers, they performed different functions in the book and didn't work together like that.
Faramir would have rejected the ring regardless of Boromirs death. In the books he is much wiser and had already made up his mind about the ring if ever he encountered it. I forget what it's called, but he has a different ability to Boromir and isnt as human so to speak. Therefore, not as easily corruptible as his brother was.
Otherwise, I think your point still stands and i agree. Decisions that may not have been right were made right. And this makes is realistic i think.
the part about Boromir trying to live up to a legacy that, in fact, belongs to Aragorn (and Aragorn seeing that) hurt, but "his heart was just too big ..." destroyed me a bit lol.
a random thought: people often bring up the fact that Aragorn has a much longer lifespan than that of a regular human, but I personally haven't seen it used as comparative to Boromir's experience; as a regular human, Boromir is not a young man anymore, and his time on Middle Earth - the time he has to accomplish his goals for the good of his people - is finite, and he has less of it than other mortal characters. I've always felt there was this anxiety about time to Boromir that Aragorn (as well as the rest of the Fellowship) didn't seem to have the same concept of.
In the extended version of Two Towers Aragorn talks about riding to war with Theoden's father while Theoden was but a small child and Aragorn was 87 years old at that point in the story.
2:22
That moment also made a huge impact on me especially Mery's speech to the ents. I was a massive introvert as a teenager and his message that the ents couldn't hide was huge. He was right, the ents are part of the world and so they have a duty to help protect it. You can't just retreat inside your comfort zone and pretend the outside world isn't there.
Just wanted to say, I wasn't even actively watching this; just had it on in the background at work. For whatever reason, I started to pay attention at 9:26, and everything from there to 10:55--especially the part where you say that it is at the tragedy of Boromir's death that Aragorn finally accepts the flaws of his people and the risks of his duty, resolving to persevere in spite of it all--it made me cry. It's just a subtle re-framing of what impressions I already had of Boromir's story and his effect on the characters, but it's still profound in its implications on the struggles of the characters and the struggles of humanity as a whole. I feel I better understand now why, apart from the loss of a friend and comrade, Aragorn weeps as he says "Be at peace, son of Gondor."
Boromir is so underrated...he resisted the temptation of the ring...something that even the strongest wills couldn't do
And his death is still one of the most heroic
Rip Edard Stark ..lord of Winterfell...I mean Boromir
Why do they always have to kill Sean Bean, damn near every amazing character he plays just fucking dies
If you watch top ten Sean Bean deaths by Watchmojo on CZcams, it'll tell you that he made a career out of it.
How did he resist the temptation of the ring?
Lord Jeffrey Franklin Ackbar III He resisted it once if I remember right (with some enouragement since the whole gang was around). It was the second time he failed, but realized his mistake quickly after.
Douglas Jenkins maybe he likes tragedy?
Boromir, a captain of Gondor, redeemed himself and did show his quality.
I couldn't agree more. Just watched FotR (extended) again yesterday after at least 6-7 years and Boromir's arc stood out even more than I remembered. It's just brilliantly done. His failure to let Frodo go, combined with his ultimate and deeply moving redemption still makes me shed a tear or two every time I watch the movie... It's on par with Frodo's dilemma at the very end, standing on the bank of the Anduin, when he hears Gandalf's words about time and choices. All in all, my favorite character of FotR and arguably the most interesting and most human one is definitely Boromir.
I've never seen a big LotR fan NOT love Boromir, him and Samwise have always been my personal favourites. This video was great, brilliant understanding of the character! Hopefully this helps more see why Boromir is best bro.
Thanks very much!
Dominic Walker I must be in the minority. I am a huge LOTR fan, but I did not like Boromir. I agree that he felt that he carried the weight of civilization on his shoulders, but so did others and they carried it without the arrogance that Boromir had. Boromir had visions of being the world's great savior and how everyone would adore him, with that possible adoration as his goal. Even his brother immediately knew what he probably did to Frodo without Frodo even having to tell him. No, every hardcore LOTR fan doesn't love Boromir. Sam, though, he's a different story. He's the true hero of the series.
I’ve spent most of my life not liking him. However, I have read the books, seen the movies, and listened to the audio books multiple times. I am just finishing the CDs for return of the king (at the point when the hobbits return to the shire), and I must say: I like Boromir much more this time through. I think this is because of the OP video title. He is most human, and therefore easiest to relate to. Not to aspire to, arguably, but relatable? Undoubtably. My favorite characters are Faramir and Sam, however, Boromir is definitely up there.
I like what A said at the 12:00 mark. That resonates with my personal life experience, and while I haven’t tried to kill or steal from someone, I have made mistakes, and, appreciate the sentiment to not let our mistakes define us. It’s a short road from “actions, not words, define us,” to “mistakes define us.” Actions can be mistakes.
Excellent video. Simply marvelous.
CrankyPants he never had a vision of being the great hero you dumbass. It was always ‘’i ask for the strength do defend my people’’ the first thing he says when Aragorn runs up to him when he is dying is ‘’they took the little ones’’ the first thing he does is asure Aragorn of the situasion surrounding the hobbits. And just seeing the flashback from Osgiliath and saying that he is selfish is just.... wtf
I did not like Samwise, had he been kinder to Gollum, maybe Sméagol would have been saved...
the video i did not know i needed but the one i subconsciously wanted
The most relatable character. Full of genuine human qualities and flaws.
I remembered disliking him as a child because of the hostility he projected onto Frodo. I now understand that he is indeed the most human character in the Fellowship. A man who's losing everything, a kingdom that's craving the guidance of a noble leader, his people are starving, dying, and he has the power to end it all and restore it almost in the palm of his hands but he held back despite the immeasurable amount of temptation placed upon him by the Ring. Boromir fought bravely, and he is a man I strive to be.
Me and my friends have a tradition: every time we go to a pub or party, we do 3 shots in a row, and we call them "The arrows of Boromir". And before we drink them, we scream "For Boromir! He who sacrificed himself for the Fellowhisp! For Boromir!"
I have stumbled in this channel by chance, by I think I wil stay ;)
You have a good life = ]
WOW...
In my eyes the Lord of the ring is far more superior than anything George rr Martin has ever written.
Nikki Huggins good joke
Who's laughing. J.R.R was a genius. I can't say the same about Martin.
Nikki Huggins Asoiaf >>>> anything he wrote
Berserk >>> both
I am pretty sure it is objectively correct to say LOTR is better than anything that lazy loaf of a man wrote.
The first time rewatching the lord of the rings as an adult I connected to Boromir, on a level I never imagine I would half. I believe all of us are more like Boromir than any other character.
I find myself rewatching Boromirs whole fight/death scene from time to time because of the impact of his character. As much as I wanted to be Legolas or Aragorn as a kid... the more I realized I've always been, Boromir. One of the most impactful characters for sure.
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10:43 - 10:54 is a hell of an edit. The music, the words, the realization that Boromir's vision and hope may have been the brightest and strongest of any of the Fellowship. What a movie.
Boromir apologizing to Frodo after he tried to take the ring by force is just so heartbreaking...
I like that you didn't explain why you took a different turn with your content. Makes it feel more personal.
Of course! I think that would have felt awkward.
Man, your videos are always, always thought provoking no matter what you talk about. Thanks for putting out a video like this despite it not being something you normally do. Love your work and I look forward to the next video you release.
Thanks so much for the support! And no problem, it was a joy to make this one despite the fact that it probably won't generate much attention from current subs (I expect). It's a topic I'm personally very passionate about so I really wanted to do this.
I think as long as it's something you care to talk about and has the same level of thought behind it, I'm down to watch it. :D
"How did the economy function?"
😂 bruh.
Thank you so much for this.
Boromir is my favourite character in lord of the rings and it hurts so much to see how few people understand his struggles.
Didn't expect something on LotR from you, I love it!
I'm open to any sort of analysis for anything you like, I like listening to your take on things.
Awesome! Thanks for the support.
So Soulsu I agree
I concur!
When aleczanxder covers your favorite series in fiction.
There is an Ancient Greek quote that goes “Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud”
I think Boromir is a great example of that quote.
I'm expecting about 30 views on this one, lol.
48 fam
Well it's already past 48. CZcams is stuck so it's staying at 48, but it's more than 30 at least
Stuck at 50 boiiiiss
Why? LotR is pretty much the most popular Fantasy ... thing in modern times. This will get tons of views
sfoth91 It ain't anime so I'm not expecting much.
People are going to be like 'Woah, Aleczandxr did a video on some weird, super realistic but obviously completely CG anime ... It's almost like they're not anime characters... Ohh, but wait, there are elves. Definitely anime.'
CG In Anime Done RIGHT!
Samwise Gamgee is my favorite character. He went on their terrible mission for the love of his friend Frodo. He had the purest heart.
Martin trying to speak negatively or question Tolkien is is like having the captain of a college Chess Team talk smack on Kasparov.
Goddamit! I'm crying over Boromir's death AGAIN!
Boromir is the best LOTR character, The Fellowship of The Ring is the best LOTR movie, The Fellowship of the Ring is one of the greatest movies ever
“I would’ve followed you my brother, my captain, my king.”
Thank you for making this video, I'm so glad he's getting the recognition he deserves. Boromir is such a good character and man
YES! Finished my rewatch og this epic trilogy a few days ago, still remains a masterpiece. Boromir was such a good character and when he redeems himself....that scene is art!
His death is legit one of my top 3 scenes in cinema history, pure art.
The trilogy imo is the best thing out of Hollywood. And my favorite thing in movies, games, shows etc.
The best character and most underrated. He showed the weakness in man, but also the strength.
Loved this! A thoughtful, poignant commentary on one of the best stories ever told. 💜
Thanks!
Wonderful analysis of Boromir in this video. He's always been my favourite character in movie trilogy. I've always found his and the story of Gondor struck a cord with me. In many ways, Gondor's predicament reflects that of Western civilisation today; beset by hordes of foes and suffering from internal corruption (Denathor is like an EU politician). Anyway, better keep away from dirty politics.
For me, the writings of Tolkien and Peter Jackson's movie depictions (actors, music, architecture etc) showcase the beauty and nobility of western civilisation at it's best. I think this is one of the many reasons why so many people adore these films and speak of them as if they are folklore.
Okay alt-rightsr
oh that's an unexpected video from you haha but that's probably one of my favorite video of yours,
I actually had the chance to work with Sean Bean on a tv series in Rome last year(i had a very minor role) but i managed to talk with him a couple of times(the conversation were basically me fanboying over LOTR and GOT,lol) and he actually told me that Boromir was his favourite role of his carrer since it was the more human character he portrayed and that actually helped him do a better performance.
btw since you started doing movies have you ever watched Oldboy(the korean version) it's probably my favorite movie and since you pretty much have my same taste in anime/manga(my fav are f/zero,hxh,Monster, ping pong and berserk) i think you might enjoy it and i love watching your videos since you make discover something new with your analysis.
Glad you liked it! That's super fascinating, it must have been awesome to speak with him even for just a little bit. Thanks for sharing! And yeah, I've seen Oldboy. I liked it but I won't make a video on it.
thx for making this. lotr is one of my fav stories
Absolutely loved this viddy, sir. Well done and beautifully written.
What a beautiful video. I love the editing. A true homage to Boromir.
As I grow older, I come to love his character more and more, and feel him more in my heart.
Gollum is best waifu.
My Precious
Bobby Zamora Sam is waifu. Extra Thiccccccc.
That Insightful Teen Don't you dare dispute the hotness that is our Waifu Gollum.
qualivia But Sam is THICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
Gollum's is bony AF.
That Insightful Teen Gollum is the best legal loli waifu. Sam's thickness will get saggy when he's old fam
Finally someone gets why I love Boromir so much.
man, just found this video 2 years later but glad I stumbled on it. Thanks!
Deserves WAY more views and likes. This gave me such a new perspective on Boromir. A very well thought out and well made video!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I kinda love the inversion between Boromir in LOTR and Ned Stark in GOT; both played by the one and only Sean Bean. In LOTR, he plays the only flawed, realistic character in the entire world; and he gets killed as a result. In GOT, he plays the only character who is a moral absolutist; and he gets killed as a result. I wonder if that wasn't a conscious attempt at subversion on the part of the GOT producers when they decided to cast Sean Bean as Ned, making it clear to the viewers that, in this show, possessing heroic qualities is not a guarantee of your safety.
Aint calling him "weak-willed" a bit of a farfetched? The rings are allegories for power, that is why the 9 other humans kings fell for them, he is in front of THE RING, the Absolute Power. As we all know absolute power corrupts absolutely.
It was a matter of time before they all felt for it and Boromir took that bullet(arrow) for them.
One could argue that it was due to Frodo's stong will to be able to use the ring and not get corrupted on the spot that Boromir was redeemed, even so, if his "true" intention was the power he couldn't have felt regret as he did.
Boromir was not weak-willed at all. He was layered like very few of the characters, been killed that early robed the book/movie from some great character development.
I love your character analysis, as any work of fiction one can always go back and see from a different perspective, little does it matter if its anime/movie/books/series.
I guess that as long as you keep it in the "fictional" scene people won't have an issue.
Do you have any intention of jumping in the wagon and make analysis for current mainstream anime?
I didn't say he was weak-willed. I said he had a weaker will than anyone else in the main cast as a result of the burdens placed upon him. There's a huge distinction there.
And what anime are you talking about? Currently airing stuff like My Hero Academia or Steins;Gate 0?
Thanks for the correction, I jumped the gun too fast in mixing those two together.
Yes since the Bokugo's video I have been wondering if you were going to make one for All might or All for One.
I didn't know Seins;Gate 0 was out already, I guess I know what I'll spend the rest of the night with!
Always a pleasure to watch any of your videos and again thank you for correcting my assumption.
Keep up the good work!
Ah, okay. I do have a video planned on a big current anime but I'm not yet sure if it'll be good enough to actually follow through with yet, for a few reasons. I'll have to see. And no problem! Thanks for watching.
But that is what he is. He is weak and open-hearted. That makes him empathetic and fun but also leaves him vulnerable for temptations. The hardened and stoic Aragorn is much stronger but doesn't have Boromir's empathy. If you leave your heart open you can emphasize and love others but you also leave yourself open to temptations.
Great video! I read LOTR once every couple of years, and this video will definitely change my reading experience. Of all te videos I have seen on youtube about Tolkien, this is my favourite one.
Cheers!
The extended edition is so much more layered for Boromir's character. After seeing that, it completely changed my view of him.
Excellent video, enjoyed it quite a bit. Been in a Lord of the Rings mood and this hit the spot nicely. Wouldn't mind if you chose to do more videos on Lord of the Rings in the future.
Thanks very much. Not sure if I'll do more but it's good to know that I'll have a bit of an audience if I do decide to cover the series further. Cheers for letting me know.
This is my first time being at this channel, very good essay, good points. Coincidentally I made a Boromir Essay a few months ago as well. I'm positive it is purely coincidence as my channel is microscopically small. Indeed Boromir is a very underrated & often overlooked character. I'm glad LOTR fans consider boromir critically. Boromir is a personal favorite of mine, and a very complex character.
Cheers, always nice to see a fellow Boromir fan. And one that beat me to the punch, no less!
:-) I aim & try my best, even for the niche subjects, such as Boromir. When I was a child and watched LOTR in theaters and on DVD, Legolas was always my favorite. The funny thing is (for me & likely others) as I got to be older I started to appreciate the supporting characters like Theoden, Eowyn, and Boromir more. Through my teen & young adult years I found that I had shifted my praise from Legolas to Boromir. It's a strange phenomena how that happens; characters from a books, shows, or films that one liked most as a child changes and shifts as you get to be older, to reevaluate & discover newfound appreciation for other characters more.
I just watched his last fight scene in fellowship and, as always, teared up. This was exactly what I needed right now. Thanks a bunch my friend.
Such a beautiful video essay. Thank you