When to use a catch basin vs channel drain
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- čas přidán 19. 09. 2020
- We install a comprehensive drainage system on a new house purchase. We failed on installing our catch basin and it wasn't catching all the water coming off the drive. So we went back and added three segments of channel drain to correct this.
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How many guys go back n make it right unless u drag them to court Shawn is a stand up guy n stands behind his work 💯💯💯 great work many blessings to your company n your self🤙🏽
Thanks! I definitely wanted to get things right. Going back for a second try is what it takes sometimes to get it right.
@@GCFD If it's worth doing, it's worth doing it right! Excellent!
Thanks Shawn and crew. Drainage system is working so well!! Highly recommend this company!!
Thanks Robin. It's always a pleasure working with you!
I love that you try to give us a view of it in action after a rainfall! Always nice to see it working as designed!
Thanks for watching Brandon!
Love that you follow up w/ clients and do what is right. Good business. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Hakeem!
nice to see what it looks like after a rain you are a good man for going back to see if there is a problem if there is you fix it
Great video shawn- really good of you to go back and fix that
Thanks! It wasn't too bad going back. The homeowner and his son were both out there helping us and we got things finished up in a few hours. It's nice knowing the system is working well now.
Excellent example of customer service in action!
Your videos are a excellent historical recollection for the property owner.
You always know what you're doing and you don't cut corners. I wish I could have an employer like you
Thank you Mike!
10/10, 14:01 dual 4in discharge, & 11:35 air release/vent holes. You may be the best on YT.
Thanks! It was soooo tempting to hook those pipes together at the drainage basin instead of having to core a larger hole for two pipes. But I like my systems to flow, so we had to do them separately. I've been drilling two 3/16" holes in the clean-out plug to allow venting of the french drain. Was that your comment from last summer? If so, thank you!
Hey man, i have to tip my hat to you. I really appreciate your integrity as a business man and as a person for admitting your errors and correcting the problem. I have been learning from your videos and enjoy all your efforts. Keep up the good work.👍
Thank you! I have no problem admitting my mistakes (I've had enough practice with that!), but it is important for learning and making things better.
Good response. We all miss a few once in awhile!
Hello from Poland 🇵🇱 Happy New Year 🙂 I wish you all the best more healthy more clients more money 💰🙂 I'm learning from you I'm going to open the same company in Poland 💪
Thank you! Happy New year! If you have lots of rain I think you'll be successful using these techniques.
Another great video Shawn. Like others, I like when you follow-up to show haw a system actually performs during a heavy rain.
I noticed that one of your team was shoveling gravel from the bed of the dump truck. They make small tailgate doors for dump truck which, when you raise the bed slightly and open the small door, gravel or pea coal can come through the door directly onto a conveyor or into a wheelbarrow. When I delivered coal, these small doors where absolute time back savers.
Great Idea! We love back-saving ideas and equipment!
This an example. Weld the hopper door to the tailgate. Keep the tailgate closed. I could see you straddling a trench with the truck, raising the bed, opening the hopper door to dump a stream of gravel, pulling slowly ahead to cover your drain with gravel. Easy peasy!
www.rowetruck.com/products/parts/coal-chute
another example...called an inspection door:
www.buyersproducts.com/product/inspection-door-826
good on you for following up. that's something contractors don't do now a days. they hit ignore and wait to get a text or VM.
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I like your stripped down French Drain installations, open channel drains with gravel exposed... but if you (customer) wants turf over drain geotextile wrap is a must. Yes it will flow less but may be good enough for most applications....
I would never bury one of my FDs in dirt and turf. Defeats the purpose with our soils.
Kudos to you for sticking around and getting it right. That is the difference between Pros and Schmos, who take the money and run. Even an expert like you cannot always predict where Mother Nature will take her bounty. You have to work with, not against. Jealous of all that rain. Of course, where I am we get most of our precip as snow. Love Colorado, what made you move?
I really like seeing the videos where you go back and fix an oversight or error.
It means a lot that you take accountability for these things.
If you don't mind me asking, how much did this job cost in total? I've been watching a lot of your videos and also thinking about calling someone local to do the work on my house.
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Hey Shawn that self loading high tip track loader would've been ideal for this project.
For sure! And on most of my other projects...
18:55 channel drain looks better too.
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Really appreciate these videos to teach us DIYers. How deep are you digging for the downspout pvc lines? What is a minimum depth you are comfortable with for NC clay soil and weather?
Thank you Brian! We have to achieve fall with the pipe so it really depends on where the outfall is. If the lot is sloping down you can bury the pipe pretty deep at the downspout, but if the lot is fairly level you'll need to stay shallow at the downspout to maintain your fall.
"Send me some video of the channel drain working." *customer grabs flip phone...
When you text a video, most of the time it is low resolution.
@@chriss2295 bro this quality is bad even for like 5 years ago, let alone in 2020 when this video was made
He'd be getting a UPS package with a betamax tape in it from me...
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Your customer held their phone "vertical" when video recording...that is why the video is "Tall and Shiny". To record a "wide screen" video you must hold your phone "horizontal". Simple and easy once you know how to do it.
I tell everyone that, all the time. Even my guys hold the phone vertical when 5 mins earlier I said make sure it's horizontal!
I thought French drain porous pipe could take the downspout discharge as well, never knew that we need to have one for downspout and another for subsurface drainage as porous pipe.
I prefer to keep water that's already in a pipe, in a pipe. I would never send gutter water into a french drain.
Great
Thank you Julie!
I am just curious why you did not just install another French drain at the edge of the concrete driveway instead of the channel drains. I understand having to leave a 3 inch gap or so between the French drain basin and concrete which would allow grass growth but that gap could still have rock placed over it for aesthetics. I guess what I am wanted to know is there a specific reason you chose channel over French (Cost, function, etc...)?
Great videos. I have really learned a lot and will be taking care of a drainage issue I have using a French to capture HEAVY amounts of runoff water that is seeping into my garage. It runs down a slope and hits the garage slab and is so deep it was under the bottom seal plate flooding my garage. I am going to use 2 of the pipes like you did in the back yard where it flooded along the fence and then dump it into the woods like you did in the one with the pool that had the small channel you replaced with 5" channel. Just an FYI. LOL!!!
Hi L T. If you have water coming off concrete a channel drain is usually fine and much cheaper than a FD. If you have water running from lots of different places then a FD at a low point is the ticket. It sounds like you should have your garage issues solved once you install your system. Good luck with it! - Shawn
Would a section of kerb alongside the driveway to redirect the water to the catch basin also work? Or would you not recommend that? I know the homeowner may not want a raised kerb tripping hazard though...
Great video as always Shawn.
Yes that would work for sure! Anything to get the non-point water collected and directed.
I’m wondering how you keep the whole gutter downspout pvc clean? Would a water mitigation system like yours work in southern Maine? I think I’m in climate zone 5b.
These pipes flow so well that they keep themselves blown out of debris. There is nothing that can hold debris.
Hey Shawn.. I've been following your videos for part few weeks and they gave me lot of information and more importantly gave me confidence that I can fix the water seepage issue at my farm. Thanks a ton!!
If you don't mind answering a query. I am from Hyderabad, India and I have an acre farm right next to a canal. This canal flows almost 9 months in a year and as long as there's water in the canal it seeps into my farm. My farm's ground level is lower than canal's. Ive 400ft border with canal and seepage happens almost all of this 400ft. I want to arrest this water that seeps into my farm, stop is right at the boundary line, and redirect it into a pond (I would need to dig pond ) and use this collected water. Should I run a French drain for 400ft and collect all the water in the middle (mid of 400ft) and let it go into the pond ? Is french drain the best method or any other method?
Sorry about very long write up.
You could always try a trench to see if it would flow since you need a trench for a FD anyway. If you're not trying to drive over it or have it flat you wouldn't need the FD.
@@GCFD thank you so much for a quick reply Shawn...very much appreciated!! I've already had the excavator dig a trench along the canal border (about 400ft) but have been confused whether to fill it with just gravel or have a perforated pvc laid in to make it a FD. But yes I don't need to drive over it or have any landscaping requirements, I can just leave it as a trench... Only issue is, if I just leave it as normal trench (for now without any gravel in it, and later even if I add gravel until the ground level) the water is not free flowing, so it sits there and slowly starts making the land next to the trench into a damp and soggy land..
This maybe thinking outside of the box. But consider purchasing a large container to hold hundreds of gallons of water. So you can pump or release a certain amount of water quickly on surfaces. Like this driveway, to see how the water flows.
I would think the cost of the container will pay for itself in no time. Than going back out to fix an oops.
Good idea! Thank you Robert!
French drain man on CZcams has systems available to something similar to this idea..
@@scarce911 he uses all corrugated and he hates pvc.
@@GCFD but it's not cheap corrugated, it's thicker, and double walled
@@scarce911 I would never use it.
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Thank you!
Hi Shawn. In the beginning of the video you mention you were worried about where to take the water until you found the storm drain. What would you do if you didn’t have a place for the water to go.
We normally try to create an outfall with riprap rock. We also need to make sure what is downhill from our outfall because they dump out a lot of water.
Who is this MTB legend?
Robin. Local legend around these parts.
Edit: I just looked at your page and I have a PM 3500 that I built around carrying three bikes. I spend about 6 weeks a year traveling and riding. Especially TX,NM,AZ,CO in the winter.
@@GCFD Nice. Been riding in FL in the winter months and hit up Pisgah/Dupont/Kanuga during the warmer months. The Promaster is great. I will live in it for weeks. But I did break my collar bone 3 weeks ago on Greens Lick (Bent Creek) so I'm off the bike for a bit. :(
Love your channel. You and Andrew Camarata keep me entertained for sure.
@@netposerx nice! I ride DuPont and bent creek too. Sorry to hear about the injury. See you on the trail!
@@GCFD Nice, I will holler at you when I can ride again.
On the catch basins, Why do you have the exit pipe so high in the basin? Is it just easier fall?
For best fall like you said.
Do the french drains ever plug up from surface dirt falling on the gravel?
No because we don't install dirt on the surface.
When dealing with impervious soil, I've never understood why you'd want gravel _under_ your pipe. Seems to me you'd have water trapped under the pipe that would never drain away. Chanel drain captures water from the top, why not a French drain?
Cut a shallow 24-inch-wide trench, cut a narrow trench down the center, install the pipe (holes up) in the narrow trench, then either pack native (impervious) soil around the pipe, or set concrete around the pipe, and finally a strip of filter fabric (so the gravel doesn't jam in the pipe's holes) with gravel to top it all off. Water cannot collect below the pipe because the pipe is the lowest part of the drain.
If you're not in an area that freezes, maybe it's not a problem to have water below the pipe. Can't drain away, but perhaps after a few days of dry heat the water would evaporate.
Hey Scotty - The water does eventually perc under the pipe so it's not sitting under there forever. We don't have freezing temps too often here.
Hi Shawn. I have a tight space between a concrete slab and my fence. The slab is taking water wavy from my foundation but I realize that after a heavy down pour of rain the water seeps in my basement beneath the concrete slab. My plan is to put in a French drain to take that water away to the front yard. I have one problem. The space between the slab and the fence has room foe only one pipe. Is it ok to run a solid pipe on top of a French drain pipe? Or is it ok to take my down spout and tie it into my French drain. I know you speak against this but will this be ok?
No you wouldn't want to tie the gutter water into a french drain pipe. That's because you would be sending the gutter water directly underground. Never a good idea!
Thanks much.
Do roots not get through the gravel in the french drain and into the perforated pipe? What are your thoughts on "burrito wrapping" the pipe and gravel with weed barrier?
The gravel doesn't hold water so there isn't much for the roots to go after. Wrapping the gravel kills the flow and doesn't let the fine sediment flow through the system and out.
@@GCFD thanks for the response. I really enjoy your videos. Best on CZcams that I've found!
Well what do you mean flows to well with river rock? Or why’s that bad in this situation? Sincerely curious, always learning 🤙
The river rock is rounded and smooth and so it offers little resistance to dirt or water - they can push it easily. That means the dirt will fill in all the spaces between the rocks. Angular rock locks in place and doesn't move around, thereby preserving the spaces in between rocks better and longer than rounded river rock.
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Good morning.
Angular rock makes for a more solid surface to walk on.
Like Shawn said, round rock would push away, making walking more unsteady.
Sincerely Ed from Chicago.
Retired plumber
So if that storm drain wasn't in the backyard where have you put the water? By the looks of the soil it's permeability isn't great so a drywell wouldn't work too well.
Its nice to hear a buisnes say when they make a mistake//////honorable
We make plenty of them. That means we have lots of practice correcting them! 👍
Do you just buy 20ft section schedule 40 and drill your own holes? Or do you have a supplier? And if so who?
The price of PVC has gone up so much this year that we've been drilling our own. Core and Main does have perf back in stock at 3.50/foot. So we've been drilling our own.
Check French drain man on CZcams, they sell all you need
he used the purple primer but he didn't put any glue on it
Just out of curiosity, how come you chose channel drain instead of just using perforated pipe and gravel to grade along the driveway and connecting it to the catch basin? Was there just too much runoff to do that?
I chose to do a channel because the water is already caught on the concrete so can easily drop into a channel. If I used perforated pipe and gravel the water would fall off the concrete, run into the gravel, flood up into the perforated pipe and start to flow. I think keeping water moving and preserving as much of its energy is the key. Almost all my decisions are based on what flows best.
@@GCFD thanks for the reply, love your CZcams channel and the work you do
Where is your non-woven fabric?
Did you not need to set the channel drain in concrete?
It’s not necessary to set in concrete but you can. We made sure to bed it readily well so it won’t move around. I told the homeowners not to drive a truck over it.
You're going to be back out because that channel drain you just put in dirt. It supposed to be set in concrete. When it starts sinking, rolling, and moving won't be good. Good job w/ fix. Channel drain is a great thing. Put 8 feet along patio... problem solved.
We did a good job packing the channel in dirt. It was a consideration for the homeowner to set it in the ground instead of concrete.
@@GCFD We are all critics right. Thanks for reply & Vids. I am sure you would have to charge more. It will be ok if they don't stomp it.
As a rule (retired Navy) We always made new person buy pizza for the shop hehe
Hahah. Our running joke is "it's my first day" so who knows who would be buying pizza? I buy lunch and everyone stays on the clock.
Why don't you invest in a laser level? It would make your job layouts so much simpler and easier.
I do have a laser transit. If the ground is falling we can set the trencher depth. Then the trench falls with the ground as you go. I think that's simple enough for me. We break out the laser for flat sections where we have to create fall by going deeper as we trench.
Am I missing something? I don't understand why you couldn't of used 90 or 45 down into the Catch basin?
Do you mean when we switched out the catch basin for a channel drain? It would have left an area that was not collecting water.
What did this job cost?
This was for a friend of mine so we hooked him up.
@@GCFD yeah, but what would it cost?
5:05 what do you call this machine?
That's a trencher. This one is a Toro TRX16
My modest opinion: I think you should have wrapped the gravel with landscaping fabric to avoid soil contamination and the clogging of the pipes. Second, a French drain that leach into the soil will work depending in the capacity of absorption of the soil. If the soil is clay, the water won't be absorbed and eventually, will pool up on top of the terrain again. I think the best is to direct the water away from any built areas (if possible) to avoid slippery build up during freezing temperatures. Was not possible to direct the water right to the street?
He directed it into the storm drain.
Who buried the fence? Likely rotten out by now
It's cedar and doing fine so far.
Too bad you are not in NYS
👍 Which part? I'm from the southern tier.
@@GCFD Spring Valley, NY 10977
What a disaster did the home owner have to pay you again to come back out I sure hope not
No, this was a mountain biking friend of mine.
Digging gravel by hand from the truck when Kubota is right there! Why?
That's what the guys preferred to do. We lift the dump body so it's not too bad. I think they like the control in filling the barrows.
I wish "the customer" would have taken better footage.
French drains are ancient and always fail and there is never any need for a French Drain if you plan a rain water drainage system properly - I would check on the existing ground PVC drainage making sure all downpipes are connected into it and the system is draining fully to the road - I would encourage the owner to install neat concrete imperious paving around the entire perimeter of the home with gentle slope away from the house and check all surface contours of the property - this will guarantee a dry home all year round
Great suggestion! We often employ concrete solutions, but mostly when we have little to no fall to work with. Here, we had plenty of fall and impermeable subsoils, so the FD was a good solution. I was recently back out at this job and the homeowners are amazed at how well the FD works for collecting non-point surface waters.
Lot of fly by night outfits would not go back and make it right .