Do You Hate Glossy Neck Finishes? | Comment Time #18 | Q&A
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In this episode of Comment Time we discuss if we should ever pay more than 300$ for a tele, wet-dry rigs, why I called the Box of Rock the Box of Mud, if a boutique guitar gives you anything else than just "status", etc.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:23 INTRO JAM | Tele fuzz
1:52 Comment 1 | Remove the finish on guitar necks
5:29 PLAYING | Junior fuzz
6:05 Comment 2 | Why did I call the Box of Rock the "Box of Mud"?
9:22 PLAYING | Tele fuzz jam (same rig as in the intro)
9:58 Comment 3 | Should anyone pay more than 300$ for a tele
13:53 PLAYING | Les Paul
14:18 Comment 4 | How to put a wet-dry rig together
18:44 PLAYING | Junior clean
19:27 Comment 5 | Electric guitars are made equal regardless of price?
Gear used in this video:
(the Bitly links are Thomann affiliate links)
-Fender Telecaster CS '53 reissue: bit.ly/2KFVJld
-Gibson Les Paul CS '58 reissue: bit.ly/2FxKvek
-Gibson Les Paul CM 2015 - heavily modified "Junior"
-Dunlop Gypsy Fuzz pedal: bit.ly/2VKw4K0
-Tate FX Raise the Dead Ge: tatefx.co.uk
-Analogman King of Tone analogman.com
-J Rockett Archer overdrive: bit.ly/2Ges1z8
-Walrus Audio D1 delay: bit.ly/3G228iP
-Honey Bee Double Trouble: bit.ly/33COaU3
-Kasleder Toxic Twins: bit.ly/2VJRDiO
-Wampler Pantheon Deluxe: bit.ly/3EsWE0u
-Kasleder Time Trap delay: bit.ly/3jQkha6
-UAFX Golden Reverb: bit.ly/3vS36JN
-REVV Dynamis 7/40 head: bit.ly/2IxwoId
-Universal Audio OX BOX bit.ly/2IyOeuj
-Two Notes Captor X: bit.ly/33FPfcW
-NUX SOS Looper bit.ly/31TMxPx
-One Control Agamidae switcher: bit.ly/2YZgiib
-Cordial CRI series cables: bit.ly/2XiVLBR
-Evidence Audio patch cables: bit.ly/2Ixylo1
Other gear I use in my videos:
-Harley Benton Fusion-II Roasted SSP bit.ly/31FVawf
-Barocsi Troublecaster - Custom built T-style guitar with Gretsch Filtertrons
-Barocsi "Frankenstrat" (2000 Fender American Standard body + Warmoth neck)
-Coppersound Foxcatcher: coppersoundpedals.com
-Supro Tremolo
-REVV G2: bit.ly/2NbpV9R
-Walrus Audio Lillian phaser: bit.ly/3czfxB8
-Morgan 1x12 cab Twilight: bit.ly/2KFihDq
-Xotic Super Clean: bit.ly/36fsHka
The speech mic:
-SENNHEISER MKH 416: bit.ly/2w1EAMP
Audio Interface:
-Audient iD44: bit.ly/2Jo73zN
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Kris - Hudba
Woodworker here. You should definitely NOT go from fine to coarse, but rather the other way around.
This is true. This video confused me.
Love these videos and the approach to things you are doing now Kris!!!
Everything is very interesting and informative at the same time!!!
By the way,That channel 1 in the Wampler Pantheon Deluxe sounds really delicious 😋…there is a really nice Mojo there and you seems to really dig it!😎
Really appreciate your honesty. Great channel.
Thanks Brett, that means a lot! 🙏
love glossy neck finishes myself
Great video Kris! Very informative :)
Thanks so much!
Finally Q&A. Woop wooop
It was about time… 😅 Cheers dude!
Did this with my Richie Kotzen Tele's neck. I used a sharp cabinet scraper to knock back a little bit of the excessive shoulders, then used wet/dry sandpaper finishing up with lemon oil and 4000 grit. It is shiny and way more slippery than new. Huge improvement.
Regarding custom shop, a big reason for me to go there is weight, feel and material choice. I have modded standard guitars to feel good, but I can’t remove two pounds of dead weight. Just bought a super light weight strat at 5.8 lbs. Can’t get that from a mass produced shop. /shrug
Really love the Eventide Mixing Link for doing a wet/dry setup with a single amp!
From my understanding, wet/dry or wet/dry/wet used to be a kind of rack mounted system, where the wet signal would actually ONLY be the wet effect mixed in. But nowadays we simulate or approximate this setup by splitting the signal after the drive section as you explain, because otherwise it would be too complex and expensive to create that "true" wet/dry effect. I use the same setup as you explained, however. And I love it - sounds fantastic.
You can easily change your neck from gloss to satin by sanding .At first I used very fine because I was scared of damaging by beloved guitar but eventually found 320 600 and 1000 grit was the perfectly fine and still no where near removing the finish ,just changing it to a silky smooth satin feel.
Perfect timing. Was thinking of removing the gloss on my HB p90 gold top neck.
Perfect! :) Be careful and have fun!
Always so enjoyable Kris, appreciate your willingness to wade into controversy with respect and humor. Keep up the great work!
Thanks a lot Andreas! I give my best. 😅
I took the finish off the neck on my LP and oiled it...it's now shinier than it was before 😀
Great video..keep'em rolling 2thumbs up.
Thanks a lot! 👍
Great video Kris, as always you get straight to the point.
With regard to a dry/wet rig or a wet/dry/wet rig: this is challenging and complex stuff. If you really want such a rig then you need to make sure that one amp only provides the original dry signal without any delay and reverb and the other amp only provides the delay and reverb without any dry signal. Let’s talk about modulation later, let‘s consider only delay and reverb first. Anyway, this requires a lot of thoughts and action and carefully selected effects devices. These need to provide kill dry.
You set your amp one up with all the pedals, which need to be in front of the amp (Compressor, Overdrive and distortion, maybe phaser, univibe etc. Then you need somehow to go out of this amp AFTER the preamp, i. e. via line out. This signal is used to feed delay and reverb, which is then provided by amp two. The tricky thing is to kill the dry signal, for we only want delay and reverb to come out of amp two. Therefore you need delay and reverb effects which allow you to kill the dry signal. But unfortunately that‘s not enough. If you would put delay and reverb effects in series when both of them do not forward the dry signal then there is no reverb if there is no delay. And if you switch both delay and reverb on then the reverb is only triggered by the delays and not by the original dry signal. So this does not work. And now it becomes complex, maybe crazy and expensive. You need a mixer with quite some capabilities.
You feed the original signal out of amp one line out into the mixer, maybe into channel 1. The channels of the mixer need to have aux outputs pre fader. Keep the channel one fader down. Use aux 1 to feed the delay and return the delay into channel 2. Use aux 2 to feed the reverb. Return the reverb signal into channel 3. By opening fader 2 you can blend the delays in. By opening fader 3 you can blend the reverb in. If you want the delay signal to feed the reverb as it would happen if you apply normal delay and reverb pedals in series then open the aux 2 of channel two to taste. Route the mixer output into amp two. If you apply this setup then amp two provides delays and reverb (fed by the original signal and the delays) without any original signal. If you want modulation (chorus) as well then you can feed the modulation effect by aux 3 of the mixer, return it into channel 4 and open up aux 1 and 2 of channel 4 in order to feed delay and reverb with the modulated signal.
This definitely could end up in a mess of adjustments, cables and what not. Anyway, this is basically the same concept used by engineers in the studio. I apply such concepts since the 80s to my wet/dry/wet rig (effects in stereo), which makes it even more complex. But the sound that you get out of such a rig is unsurpassed. Furthermore, the FOH engineer will appreciate the option to have original signal and effects totally separated. And because the original signal is eliminated for amp two you avoid the phase issues described by kris. The idea to do this came from frustration. I always had the feeling that one amp with all the effects destroy my dry signal. So Modulation, Delay and reverb effects need to come from one or two (stereo) different amps.
I admit that this maybe not everybody‘s cup of tea. But what you get from such a rig is highly addictive. Larry Carlton had the same issues and the similar idea long ago as I found out. And yes, you can get all this as well by using a Kemper.
I've had great success sanding off the finish, then refinishing it with linseed-based gun-stock oil (TruOil). It fills in all the pores well, dries fairly quickly, and doesn't leave things tacky. It's a finished neck that feels like an unfinished neck. I did this when reshaping my neck, a job I was understandably hesitant to do, but it was easier than I thought and came out perfect.
It was a maple neck, and after applying some water dye and the TruOil it now looks like a mahogany neck.
Tru oil is awesome! I use it on my strat and tele too. Both have unfinished necks and thanks to the oil they are still protected against moisture. Cheers!
I've never fully removed the finish but I've "satinized" a couple. Just used on of those sponges you use to clean your kitchen with a rought side and a softer side. Worked super well. First use the coarse to break the finish and then smooth it with the softer side.
Kind of ghetto but now my Harley Benton T-Style has just the kind of neck I like. Dunno if I'd use it on some 2000€+ guitar though but then again if I bought a 2000€+ guitar the neck better already be satin..
Kris is so smart and sensible guy, I appreciate so much how he approaches delicate topics. I'm glad he exists in youtube! Oh if you are reading I have two questions: 1. Do you think brushed aluminum pickguard can affect tone? (what i feel is it darkens the tone maybe because of its texture or shielding capabilities), 2. Do you think amount of microphonics of the pickups affect how warm and rich the tone is? Thank you and best !!
Aww man, thank you so much!! About your questions: 1. I think so, yes. I haven't tested it properly yet, but most anodised pickguard guitars I've played sounded darker than usual.
2. Microphonic pickups sound very different, yes! The drawback is the higher risk of feedback but the upside is the open, dynamic and pretty tone. Most of the pickups in my guitars are unpotted and slightly microphonic. 👍
Hey Kris, didn’t get why we are moving down in the order with sandpapers? Is it to gradually “satinize” the glossy neck and do it evenly on the neck? Also how can I make a radius sanding block with minimal amount of tools at home?
There's a documentation about greenfield guitars (acoustic guitar luthier) here on CZcams where you can see how much love, knowledge and detail can be put into a guitar. I just can recommend that to anyone who can't understand why custom guitars are so expensive.
I'm quite happy with my low budget guitar and gear, but if I could afford it, I would go for it!
I enjoyed your vid but your explanation of the simplicity of the Tele is the reason for being expensive doesn't really wash. I don't agree with paying $200 but once you hit the $1,000 mark, I think you're paying too much. But hey, everyone's allowed to spend their money anyway they like. 👍💵🎸🇦🇺
Great playing as always Kris 🤘. I also like that you always include also not so positive comments into your comment time and explain your point of view on the subject respectfully. Keep up the good work!
Thanks a lot for the kind words Marko!
Most custom shop guitars start out as standard production models. They may decide to upgrade electronics to sound slightly different. Rolling the fingerboard edge and aging the finish takes extra time. Which is extra money at the end. A good example is the Murphy Lab stuff. Sure the guitar will feel different but you could make music just fine without the extras.
Thanks for another great video. I love this serie and also your tech serie. I prefer this format over your livesessions. They are ok but here you break down more into details and even more in your techvideos, just love thoose formats. Its more focused and not all over the place. I wish you would do more of this kind of videos. I always want to learn new things and theese videos from you are the best. Its to much salesvideo out there when they dont break down things more deeper. Just another pedal…. And heres comes another pedal…. Thats why i love theese video from you and the only live sessions i love is Phillip Mcnights because of his deep down in different subjects. By the way have you ever made a video about FRFR cabinets? Do you use one? So many out there says that theese are not so good like going into a ”real” amp. Whats your opinion on that? Maybe a video? Thanks Kris you are awesome
My desk top practice setup is a Yamaha THR10X with Yamaha THR10ii in wet dry set up through Radial Twin City ABY different drive pedals like Cmatmods super signa drive, VHT v-drive (just failed), Bogner red and blue mini's, TC mojomojo etc. Turn on the Furman power block they all come on and good to go straight away which makes playing when you don't have much time super easy and with a wide full sound.
Now that sounds sick!! 👏👏
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Will have your neck feeling like a mim satin finish
regarding cheap vs. custom shop- if you ask me ( and nobody did) it all depends on what you're going to use it for. As an example-I'm a retired player. I mostly play for my cat. My Harley Benton TE-52 has been customized by me, but it's just fine for me, because It doesn't need to do much more than go "twang' at moderate volume. On the other hand, I have friends that are still out there, playing to a band mix, at stage volume. One has a Custom shop Tele, made by Chris Fleming, himself, and Mr. Fleming acts as my friends' luthier/guitar tech. OK, that's going to get him a lot farther down the road for where he is going. But there's still a lot of middle ground between- for example, when I have played out, I have used guitars like a 1998 MIM Strat- over 300 bucks, but still a relatively cheap guitar- but it's just the right amount of comfort & tone that it does what I need it to do, which is play rhythm guitar for basic bar band type stuff. Or, there's also one offs, and specials- like, I have an Epiphone G-400 Pro that for whatever reason turned out better ( easier to play, and sounds better) than any Gibson I have happened to own. I am sure there's a custom shop SG somewhere out there that I'd like just as much, but, why go looking if I got lucky on this one? My point is that it's not about an arbitrary price point- it's about what exactly happens when you play. Sure, you are far more likely to get "lucky' after a certain price, but I've also seen way too many people playing some 4000 buck PRS, where they just play scales on the bridge pick up, so, no knock on them, but they probably could have gotten just as lucky on well under half that price.
Hey Kris!
Long time fan here, and I have a question. After a long night of drinking, I foolishly sanded a couple small portions of the Nitro on my Les Paul’s neck and got down to the wood. To my horror i woke up to this travesty and now wish to correct it. I actually bought some clear gloss lacquer(stew mac nitro pens) and 7,000-10,000 grit sandpaper. Can I potentially fix it this way? Or would you suggest a different way? To be clear, it’s not the whole neck, just a couple small sections. I dont care how it looks, i just want the wood protected with more lacquer. Im just worried about moisture getting into the wood. Thanks!
You pay a lot for custom shop instruments mostly because you are paying a lot of time that very highly specialized workers spend on making it and fine tuning it to be a great instrument. That's the same reason why a refret from a good luthier will cost you a lot of money even if the frets themselves don't cost that much. Parts and material costs matter but not that much. I mean... would anybody say that the Monna Lisa is just worth the cost of the poplar wood it's painted on and the color itìs made of?
Very true, thanks for the comment Vinicio!
Less is more, just cause it looks simple.... doesn't mean it is simple. The engineering and valuable time to create a simple? piece of art as the telecaster. How many hours did that take?... Does not defined it by it's price. The quality of that instrument has stood the time and proven itself more than worthy. You want a 300 dollar tele? Buy a cheap one. You want the icon it is? Spend the money and reap the reward. You're not a snob. You are a person of impeccable taste. Honestly, not my favorite Fender, but I can't argue with it's success. What sticks out in my mind when I think about a Tele is, and I might be wrong, Pete Townshend I believe was quoted as saying, "Fenders are harder to break!" and it was a Telecaster in magazine picture in that article. Quality.
Totally agree with your views on custom shop. I was never a "denier", I was just skeptical... Until I tried and bought one. Now I want all my guitars to be CS. But I find it hard to justify the purchases. I see some of my favorite artists rocking "standards", so I think to myself I'm too entitled for wanting to play custom shop instruments in my living room.
Agree. You get spoiled quickly. Sort of like drinking amazing coffee at an espresso bar will typically lead to wanting to upgrade your coffee game at home :)
@@deplinenoise well said
I'm still not over the fact on how good that pink bass on the background looks!
Same here! 😆 Thanks man, that build was a tough one. It's shell pink over sunburst and it took me ages to finish it. Haha!
@@KrisBarocsi really enjoyed that series. Would like to see more awesome builds in the future!
@@RafsanBasher You will. I can feel the will and the power arising in me. 😆
Every guitar I've played has had a gloss neck finish, and every bass I've played has had a satin or matt finish. I don't know that I like one better than the other, and neither bothers me. I would only say that with a gloss finish, you need to be more diligent about keeping the instrument and your hands clean and dry, but that's about it. OTOH, i do not have particularly sweaty hands, so YMMV. I am thinking that any future instruments I purchase, I will prefer a gloss finish neck, if available. What I do not like, however, is any kind of finish at all on the face of the fingerboard or fretboard.
I would suggest that if you have a gloss neck and want it satin, that rather than immediately reaching for the sandpaper, you should consider simply over spraying the gloss finish with a satin clearcoat. That way, you aren't removing any of the original finish, and you could, if you wanted, simply buff off the overspray to restore the instrument to its original condition.
on removing the gloss or having a semi satin finish on guitars through sanding, would this work on polyurethane?
Is the phase an issue if you go from multiefect pedal with amp simulation into front of house and before the amp sim to normal amp+ cab on stage? Had this running few times in practise and dont remember it sounding odd but its a really small space shared with rest of the band so not much you hear anyway =)
About the box of rock, I did like the title, and also the fact that you commented the muddiness of the pedal if played along the wrong amp, as you comment now. CZcams demos can be really deceiving if you're not careful. In that sense, that's why I love your demos! They do appear as very honest, commenting both the good and the band things about the product. In short, they're trustworthy! :D
Thanks so much man! I really appreciate that! 🙌 I'm the kind of old-school person who wouldn't be able to sleep at night, if I said things in my videos which I don't really mean. I stick to being myself, even if that means that the channel isn't growing at the crazy pace some other channels do. Cheers man, take care!
@@KrisBarocsi See? This is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about! The fact that you can confidently say that makes my admiration for you as a person grow exponentially! 😄
I’ve used a scotch pad to de-glass a neck. It worked great. Of course it was on $150 HB bass 🙄
i might just be an extra slow amateur luthier but ive spent dozens of hours getting a factory neck up to custom shop levels, and even charging the most humble of hourly rates the price of a guitar with these fine details wont be cheap. *fingerboard and even headstock; rolling, staining, distressing, oiling/french polishing or nitro respraying... *fret; leveling, crowning, dressing, rolling, polishing...along with general fine sanding, even possibly a light reshaping, oiling/staining or respraying the back of the neck, ...hey maybe u wanna age some tuners and string guides too, and you better cut, shape, slot, and file a new nut while you're at it...if you only value your hourly rate at less than $5,...yeah it could still work out to be a pretty cheap guitar;)
Hi Kris,
Great video!
I want to try stereo on my rig.
Do I need the phase-knob and the isolated output on the switcher too? Or can a simple stereo-pedal do the job as well?
Hi, thanks a lot! If you're lucky it will work without the isolated ground and the phase switch. For example at home when I'm playing both of my amps, I'm fine. But as soon as you change a pedal that changes the phase and only goes into one amp, or as soon as you're somewhere else where you get ground issues, you will need it with a stereo rig too. The issue here is the ground loop. Multiple parts of the rig are grounded (both amps separately, etc) which can lead to that terrible hum. So it really depends, but it's definitely recommended using a proper signal splitter if you want to be sure. Cheers!
@@KrisBarocsi thanks for the advice. I tried it without the extra splitter and have some wierd hum from some pedals, wich gets worse when I turn my volume knob.
I think I'll try again with the p split and see what happens 🤷♂️
Hey Kris, enjoy your day buddy
You too buddy! 🥳
Kris, have you ever tried a Baja Telecaster and if yes, what is your opinion on it? Thank you.
Hey Angel, yes I did, many times. Those are really really good guitars! Big neck, good tone and pretty. 👍
@@KrisBarocsi Thanks for the reply, man! There is one of those on Reverb, a bit more expensive, but with unbelievably flamed neck for a Mexican Fender! I'm really considering to pull the trigger, but the pickups are aftermarket and I'm worried about the weight. Do you find those Baja Teles more on the heavy side, or they are fine? I tried to paste a link, but the comment got deleted immediately, if you want to check it out, the title is "2007 Fender 50s 'Baja' Telecaster Blonde Upgraded w/ G&G Custom Case - Ridiculous Flame Neck!" and the price is 1187.54 euro. Do you know anything about those DiMarzio Area T pickups? Sorry if I'm asking too much questions, Kris. I'm just really interested in that guitar and I know that you know your Teles! Thank you. All the best to you, sir!
Could you split the signal as it comes out of the guitar and send one signal to a pedal and amp , and send the second signal to a different pedal and amp? Would this then sound like two different guitars?
Yes, you can do that. It will still sound like one guitar player playing one guitar though. Just throught two different amps which makes it sound wide and harmonically rich and awesome.
Yo man.!! Where’s a good place to get those mesh pads..?? I really need to sand down my neck on a beautiful Michael Kelly LP… Thanks 👍🏼❤️
There’s a link in the description below to the Thomann store. You’ll find the pads there. 👍 Enjoy the mod dude!
@@KrisBarocsi .. very cool.! Thanks again..👍🏼
If what your saying about the price of teles is true then the quality of a mid price tele should be massively better than an equal price strat. Due to the much less labour intensive construction (no complex compound curves to hand finish or routing etc) all of the price should be going on the best components possible and extra set up time. I’m not sure that’s true of al manufacturers, I think a lot just say “we need it to fit in this price range next to our strat in that range so it’s going to be a similar price”
Yeah, pricing is not in a straight relation with production costs. But that's not a surprise, is it? 😅 Actually the only relevant difference in terms of production time / steps between a strat and a tele is the routing for the tremolo. But since Fender uses CNC routers that difference is literally a few seconds. So the only actual difference is having 2 pickups in a tele vs 3 in a strat. So yeah, a tele could cost like 50-70€ less but you know... it's a cult guitar, so Fender will not sell it cheaper than strats. 🤷♂️
To me, the idea of a custom shop guitar is having an instrument made for you EXACTLY the way you need it. And that only makes sense after you've already been playing for years, have owned several guitars and already have a very good idea of your own needs and requirements. If someone can build me a guitar like that, and can also recreate an individual body shape design, I'm in. What I don't need is someone building me another LP, Tele or Strat copy for 2500 bucks.
An American Ultra series will run you $2100 street price today, an American Professional II will run you $1800. Paying a $400-700 premium over off-the-shelf prices to get a custom instrument tailored exactly to your specs is a totally reasonable price to pay.
Well depends on luthier , I’ve done it twice $4500 then $5500 both great guitars one with tons of flaws I call Stockholm due to my relationship with her … so no the opinion of this episode is not my experience … what more I have an Indonesian made prs dgt se and a Yamaha revstar as well Indonesian both 1/10th the price
Both superb fit and finish
To the guy who asked about getting rid of the gloss finish...
Get a scotch brite pad, the same you use to scrub the plates and rub it up and down the neck.
That will get rid of the sticky feeling of glossy necks.
Cheaper , more gentle and readily available than expensive 3m micro mesh or super fine sanding pads.
If you end up removing all finish on the neck, which may happen if you are tooo agressive or do it many many times,and you are left with nothing but bare wood, get some linseed oil or, the one I use personally, 100% pure tung oil.
Rub it on the bare wood. A paper towel soaked in oil works fine. Let it sit a couple minutes and remove excess oil.
Let it dry well for a few days and slightly scotch brite it again. The oils will make the wood waterproof, especially the tung oil. If your hands sweat a lot, the wood on the neck will absorb it and turn dark greenish nasty color.
That's how i keep my necks super silky smoooth and sealed.
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Yo, have you checked the new telecaster violinmaster? It's awesome.
Ohh dude, yes!! Shishkov really nailed that guitar! 😍
@@KrisBarocsi ... and they think that the tele shouldn't cost more than 300 us... and they think that the wood doesn't matter at all... I mean, come on dude. You, the one who works in one of the biggest shops in the world, and played a hundreds of guitars, they gonna tell you how it should be? Shut up!
??? What’s the paint code for Barocsi foam green? Can I get it in a rattle can man, or do I need a portfolio of pigment parameters por favor?
It’s probably 14 layers like a crazy candy ain’t it 😖
The color code is not a secret, but some ingredients are tough to get: hair of a unicorn 🦄 and a grass halm from the death star. The second is even trickier than the first. 😂
if vampires aren’t real how do you explain all the dead unicorns? Waits whats??
Shouldn’t you go low to high on the pads, so 1200 to 3000 to 5000 for example?
That is what you want to do if you want to create gloss. If you want to go from a glossy surface to satin, you inverse the procedure. 👍
@@KrisBarocsi every days a school day, cheers Kris
Hi Kris, are those the Thomann mesh pads?
These are my old ones that I now only use for "dirty things" such as metal sanding, etc. My newer set of mesh pads are from Thomann, I use those for finishes. Here's the link to those if you're interested: bit.ly/3HH8mGo
Cheers!
That Tele of yours sounds fantastic. It's a classic. In a few years it'll be worth a fortune. If you buy a cheap CNC made lookalike, it will go down in value. The guitar will carry your soul through your music. You know the right guitar when you pick it up. Invisible forces, go hand in hand with music.
Ive been trying to find a Black USA Tele for ages, with a GLOSS neck finish, and it's a nightmare, they all seem to have that 'Orrible dry satin finish, where when your playing the fucker, your hand sticks to the neck... Can anyone tell me who and where i can get a Gloss finish American Tele for fux sakes? LOL! - :)
I agree Kris! The more expensive instruments have Value! They play, feel and just sound better!
mercedes or fiat , there both cars , wich are made to bring you form a to b , so both will do , the choice depends on the money you have , it's the same with guitars in that respect , there made to make music , the differnce with cars however is , that it's takes a lot off effort and a long time to learn how to play guitar in a decent way , so if you are a shitty guitarplayer a custom shop guitar will not help you , so the motto is : better first learn how to play and worry about the gear aspect later and luckaly these day's you can buy an decent guitar to learn how to play for not much money , so no need for an expensive custom shop guitar right away i guess , and then when you have played some years and you have some ability build up , it still depends wether you want to become a pro musician making you're money with playing music or just want to play in an amateur coverband doing pubgigs ( for this you really don't need custom shop guitars ) .
I've played gibsons, prs, and custom luthier made instruments. They were nice but in no way did i feel those prices led to significant improvements in any way. To me it seems like leather heated seats on your car. They are nice and a great feature. But they don't make the car perform any better.
So i am that person you say you can't believe exists. If you truly believe those things make your playing better. Good deal, but i think you're not aware of how many people don't feel that same way. You said a guitar is not a shovel, but to a lot of people i think they do just see it as a tool. If it plays and sounds 95% of the way the more expensive guitars do, in their opinion, then it looks like you just bought a diamond and gold plated shovel to dig with.
You can apply the same logic to most things. Some people aren’t fussed or say they can’t even see a difference between DVD and Blu-ray. HiFi can sound great for hundreds rather than thousands. Basically what is the point in spending sooo much more money than the perfectly good affordable option….There are those that respond passionately and are happy to pay the extra because the result gives them a vibe and connection with their instrument they don’t get with cheaper models. If you appreciate certain characteristics of guitar body’s, necks and components, your choice is more limited with more affordable guitars. Sure the price difference between affordable and top shelf is nuts and objectively does not reflect the all too often small but desirable differences. But that’s life and marketing. It applies to pretty much any product ever invented. Only the individual can say if they appreciate and are willing to pay for the differences. Remove price from the discussion for a moment. Kris is talking about custom shop guitars being more desirable technically, physically, tonally and emotionally. Each individual must choose their budget and go enjoy making music regardless. 🤷♂️
Use scotch brite
In 1951, when the Telecaster was first sold, it cost $189.95. That's an equivalent of $2,026 in today's money.
Wow, I thought they were cheaper back then. And if you have one of those 51s in original shape it's worth 100k (or more?). Quite an investment, haha!
doing that to your guitar neck will devalue the guitar
When it comes to a custom shop or luthier-built instrument, the bottom line is, if you don't understand what makes one instrument better than another, you aren't the market for those products. There are those of us who buy custom not for "status", but because we are professional musicians who have particular ideas about what we want and need from out tools, and we are willing to pay the price for bespoke because we understand, for instance, what makes one piece of wood better-sounding than another piece of wood. if you don't think there are differences between pieces of wood, then all I can really say is, you just don't know what you are talking about, and anyone who has studied wood, lutherie, and acoustics will immediately dismiss you as having an unqualified, completely incorrect, totally uniformed opinion.
We have a major problem in our society in that there is a substantial proportion of the population who refuses to understand and accept what constitutes factual evidence and the value of expertise. The so-called "Dunning-Kruger Effect" is becoming ever more prominent in our culture, the more people reject education and science in favor of tribalism and religion. The person who doesn't know what they don't know and believes there is nothing more they could possibly need to know is the greatest danger to human civilisation in the history of history.
What ultimately makes me laugh hardest about this subject in connection with electric guitars is that electric guitars and basses are among the absolute least expensive musical instruments accepted by the community as "professional" level instruments, not to mention "amateur grade" or even "student grade". A Yamaha AVC7 *student grade* cello ($4250 USD street price today at Sweetwater) costs more than twice as much as a Fender American Ultra Stratocaster ($2100 street price today at Sweetwater), and costs $250 more than a typical PRS Guitars Custom 24 that would be derided by so many people as being for "dentists and lawyers, not real guitarists". Think about that: a cello deemed suitable for children still learning to play costs more than twice as much as Fender's top grade American production Stratocaster.
Serious amateur classical musicians commonly pay tens of thousands of dollars for their instruments. These are people playing in local small town amateur symphony orchestras. Their instruments can commonly cost more than a luxury automobile. One local woman I know paid $10000 for her flute. An ex-girlfriend paid $70,000 for her viola over 30 years ago. A current production concert grand piano like a Yamaha CFX (~$190,000) can easily cost more than a typical family home.
Even a Yamaha Recording Custom 5-piece drum set shell kit goes for $4810 at Sweetwater today, and that doesn't get you hardware, cymbals, cases, or anything else even an amateur gigging drummer will need to play out. I'm looking right now at an NS Design CR6 bass guitar that sells for $3880, and I really need two of those, one fretted and one fretless.
If $300 for a Tele does it for you, by all means, buy one, and play the heck out of it. But clearly that opinion is not and should not be universally shared.
19 years ago this past month, I took delivery of my Warwick Custom Shop Corvette Proline fretless. I paid about $1700 for it in 2003, including gig bag and hardshell case. If I were to order that same bass today, the retail price would be close to $4000 USD. And I would gladly pay it.
IMHO, one needn't spend much at all on an electric guitar, unless you care about brands or bindings and such. My best guitar is a $50 Jay Turser. My gigging guitar is a $70 Glary strat (but I did re-shape that neck, since it comes with a baseball bat neck, and I got a brass tone block for the trem).
Kris, the dudes with the comments can't hear the difference in tone of nice guitars and less expensive. If we explain it won't train their ears. I remember a guy talking like this once to me then in the same conversation talking about how he can't tune by ear. That explained t all. He can't hear it. I'm a school teacher and I lead the children singing with my acoustic guitar a lot. I can hear who is tone deaf then too. Not everyone can hear it. But nearly everyone can leave a heated youtube comment.
There are plenty of people who have learned guitar like a video game. They press the buttons at the appropriate time. They read the tab and perform a feat of coordination. But it doesn't equal music, and it doesn't mean they can hear tones the same as a trained ear.
Don't get me wrong, I can't even own a custom shop guitar because of cost. I'm not trying to say anything against affordable options, I play them. Just the fact is not everyone can actually hear tones, notes and pitches. So how could they be a good judge of an instrument. They probably tell you the $30 Casio keyboard sounded like a Steinway.
I came to the same conclusion: we just don’t hear the same things. 🤷♂️ Which is perfectly fine. What really bugs me though is many of those who say that wood doesn’t matter, are super arrogant about it and pretty aggressive too. Cheers Lewis!
@@KrisBarocsi Yeah of course they're arrogant about it. It's a CZcams comment, there's no accountability or cost for what is said. They can say whatever and it doesn't matter. It's just part of ANTIsocial media.
@@GraniteSoundtrack You see there in your original post and opening statement arises a problem.
You seem to associate expensive with great tone and cheap with nasty. To me that's not the case, but they certainly maybe different.
If we are only talking tone then the only way to decide what you really like is by a blind test. There are proper scientific methods in doing so, but any blind test is surely better than none. Of course in the guitar world that would exclude you playing the instrument as that could give away the instrument or provide other areas of bias.
I think with many guitars by the time they go through a rig with pedals processing etc the ability to know what's being used is marginal.
Sure one should likely be able to tell the sounds of single coils vs humbuckers etc, but again these too can be heavily masked.
By contrast if we were talking about purely acoustic instruments used with little adulteration then I assume the tonal difference between cheap and expensive would be significant. However, if blindfolded a person may still prefer the sound of the cheap option. It's not a matter of ear training it's just what they like. After all, we all hear differently,
As for me I don't own any custom shops or their equivalents, but I'm certainly not saying they don't have a place or that people shouldn't buy them. Each to their own. I don't own any 'cheap' guitars...my cheapest is an electromatic Gretsch, my others are roughly double+ its cost. I think it's fine in all regards, I'm just not a huge fan of its electronics and will likely fix at some point down the track.
We can talk about the craftsmanship and so on, but that's another matter. Still, unlike days gone by, very few electric guitars are truly hand made other than the finishing. So, as we see in today's market many cheap guitars get solid reviews, unlike days gone by.
Cheers.
@@nostro1001 I didn't associate expensive with good or cheap with nasty. I don't own any custom shop guitars. My guitar is a partscaster because I can't afford expensive guitars. Perhaps you meant to reply to a different comment than mine. I just said not everyone can hear it. And there is a difference. Good or bad, that is up to the listener. You may take issue with my use of expensive vs. cheap as a comparison. I would as easily use another comparison like woods or as Kris and I disagree on, stainless steel frets. I hear a difference in fret material, but I don't think it's good or bad, Kris dislikes stainless steel.
But all that to say, not everyone can hear a difference even if they play guitar. And I agree there are many good, if not great affordable guitars, I have owned some and I currently put together the one I own. I hear a difference in the choices I made from body wood to pickups, but others have said they can't tell or flatly that there is no difference. But it's my opinion wether it's any good. More power to the guys who do this on a budget, I am one of those.
@@GraniteSoundtrack No worries Lewis...it's sometimes difficult on this sort of platform where replies aren't overly detailed & it seems I must have misinterpreted what you were saying based on your opening comments referring to cheap vs expensive.
Happy playing man. 😎✌️
I’m trying to up my Thumbnail game, my content will remain the same juvenile jubilant jankery.
Ahh man, thumbnail can be a pain in the... Haha!
@@KrisBarocsi speaking of thumbnails… have you seen my “safety Saturday special starts at square one” video? I think you’ll appreciate it.
It’s about a year old now but still very applicable. 🤣