Every ECU Sucks. Fueltech, Motec, Holley EFI, Pro EFI, Etc.
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- čas přidán 16. 01. 2024
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still blows my mind that this channel has less then 30k subs. we are gonna be like the OG subscribers when his channel finally gets the exposure it needs.
haha i hear that a lot. ive lost hope that it will ever "take off". basically 500 subs a month regardless if i post 20 vides or none. its painfully consistent in that regard
@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest Document as much as you can with your shop, people love that content. its a dream for alot of us. Gingium's YT channel would routinely get 20-30k views per video, him and his buddies cleaning an old shop is at like 300k+ views each. a small window of really good metrics may very well be all you need. Anywho, appreciate your efforts man.
just an idea, but Tony Angelo's channel (Stay Tuned) recently did a 996 LS swap, Joe could head up there and help him with the wiring/tuning. Crossing CZcams channels helps a lot.
A lot of opinions on ECUs comes from people that havent even seen one IRL. But their favourite youtuber has one 🤷🏻♂️😁
Probably 98% of opinions are based off what they were told is good in one way or another vs actually using them haha
@@JoeSimpsonAtTempestthe dudes on the forums say they are the best so you dont kno what your talkin about bro. 😂
The self tuning expectations chart is something I explain to customers constantly, the follow up fitech meme had me laughing. I get at least a dozen cars a year that come in with a fitech setup that doesn’t run right.
I have been using megasquirt for about 20yrs now so all of the other systems seem simple to me. MS has a huge learning curve. In the long run I am glad I went that way with how much knowledge I picked up over the years. Can it be a PITA, yes. But you actually get to learn how the circuits work. It really helped my electrical diag skills back when I was an automotive tech.
I am a tech over at English Racing, We primarily stick with Motec and Haltech but we do others as well as that is what we are most familiar with.
Very well put together video and at the end of the day if the customer is relying on a tuner than the best ECU option is whatever the tuner is comfortable with.
We use mostly Macbooks as Tuning laptops.
yup, if your going to have somebody else tune your car for you - usually the best approach is to choose a tuner and then use whatever ecu they prefer. everybody who uses mac sticks with mac - which is why i finally bit the bullet and got one to try out
Great comparison with the ECUs. More videos like this are needed for the beginner and for some guys that already think they know what they are doing. Keep it up Joe always a great job on the videos.
I have that same t14 as my backup (was my day job laptop until i left, now it just has a few tuning suites on it that i never downloaded on my main laptop) and it works pretty good, not sure what drive yours came with, but mine has the 256GB and it is forsure not enough. love when you post, i look up to you immensely
This is a real solid video. I hope as your bussiness grows you get more time to do the things you like
Very Well made video! Tons of value here! Helps me choose the best ECU for the worlds first Rav4 V8. A Ravolet, or a Ravanomaly.
As a PC builder and someone that is into cars looking for info on ECU and tuning this video totally made a lot of sense to me and had me crackin a smile here and there loved it!
Wow. New garage looks huge.... keep up the awsome videos
they fill up quick unfortunately. everybody has asked for an update video on the garage, it just keeps snowing and stuff so i havnt been able to haha
Great job using the laptops and graphs for comparisons.
This is so clear now… thank you. I never knew the old Carburettor was the perfect choice. 🤣🤣🤣
Been watching more and more videos. I like how unbiased you seem to be (at least it seems that way haha)
What I most like is that you are pushing the fact that picking an ECU based on what your tuner is familiar with is a great. Also not paying for features that aren’t necessary is a good point too.
I use the ECU masters EMU black. I tune my car myself. I have had really good experience with it so far. I know it’s not quite as popular as Holley but man I do like it so far.
Hello, we've been trying to contact you about your laptops extended warranty... 🤣🤣 great video.
Yo that Fueltech wideband comment hit me hard!!!!
I have a FT550
May switch to a Haltech when I build out my AIM PDM
A little while back, I signed up for your Trilogy course. The plan was to get familiar and go with Holley dominator but literally, right after I finally pulled the trigger, I ran into someone locally that has a very respectable, tuning reputation and is happy to work with me and he has me 99% convinced to go with Motec. (He would be happy to help with Holley if that was my choice but he much prefers Motec and makes a a pretty compelling argument.)
I have never logged into my Trilogy membership and I am hoping that Trilogy will help me to get a better understanding Motec.
Part of me considered asking if i could opt out for a refund (Since I never logged in) but I know that would be a crappy, low life, scumbag move I since made the decision to sign up and its nothing to do with you that my circumstances have changed.
Hopefully your course will be helpful with Motec.
Your videos are a huge help, thank you for all of your time and efforts!
I love how thin that mac is. It should fit nicely in the back of that bottom drawer you never open
Awesome stuff Joe 🫡
I got a gaming laptop for editing/tuning. An ROG G14. It sucks air from the back under the screen and vents it out sideways, it doesnt really blow any air downwards. Best is that ROG comes with software to control fan speeds manually, you can set different fan target speeds based on GPU and CPU temps. Laptops are definitively where spending over a grand the quality curve goes exponential.
the one i was editing on for a long time was a gaming computer. would handle anything i threw at it. it wasnt cheap though
Incredibly well edited video.
appreciate it. it takes so damn long haha
What you described @3:00 is a known concept in economics. There is usually a bell-curve where the cost goes up non linear and sometimes quality even goes down at the top end of the cost spectrum.
One of the most common problems for laptops is a hard drive itself the first thing you should do and ditch some mechanical drive and switch it to an SSD and get a decent one Also it doesn't hurt to help keep it clean after all the internal fans do get dirty overtime.
Almost nothing that’s half decent has mechanical drive nowadays. But yes on older laptops they can feel like new with 30 dollar ssd😂
Very true, I still have the old Fel-Pro/FAST system and it works well.
dont see those too often anymore but if it does what you need there isnt really a need to update/switch to something else!
I had that setup on my syclone what seams like ages ago. They where pricey back then.
I’d say your pretty much spot on with your view on ECU’s .
It all comes down to many variables, engine , who can map it , budget, expand ability, even false economy has to be considered .
Me personally I don’t need or have much interest in the ‘mapping’ side , I’d just rather leave it to a professional tuner with experience and not make very expensive map mistakes and dyno time .
Yeah by all means have ago your self and good luck , but make sure it’s on a cheap replaceable engine and get your experience there . But I doubt you will not get the same results as a specialist and end up spending more money on re dyno time .
We’ve just gone Motec M142 for direct injection and external injection, plus the sequential gearbox and traction control features . before you know it it will be a 10k job including map .
Yeah we will have a nice dash and PDM but it’s also piece of mind plus maintenance and expansion is far superior long term . All can bus pls a lot less wiring and more reliability.
In our case why would you risk a poor setup/ dodgy map on a 15k engine?
Cheap ecu , crappy map and wave goodbye to 20k plus the additional cost when it blows up !! ? Plus wasted time ?
Always do everything as good a spec as possible within your budget, buy good quality used components is a great way to be cost effective, plus be respectful to your dyno guy , yeah he may be expensive at times but a decent one will help you out if your straight with him . 🇬🇧👍
great video. Always love to hear your opinion. I have a couple nuts on fire computers laying around myself 😂
Lighting your nuts on fire is the worst!
A big part of me wants to upgrade to an EFI set up but I feel like it maybe more of a headache. It’s not even hard to tune a carburetor. Just have your timing right, fuel pressure correct and install an air fuel gauge. With my Chevy 350 I just basically need to replace a metering rod in my Edelbrock depending if it’s running rich or lean. But I do like the ability of the EFi once tuned. Maybe I’ll give EFI a go some day. Possibly the higher end Holley or Edelbrock proflo 4.
haha pretty cool to see you use a mac. you actually used my mac to make changes on my is300 after you were done the dyno session. the mac had the hard drive partitioned so I could utilize a Microsoft OS so I had the ability to tune from it as well to truly mac it an all-encompassing machine.
ive stayed away from them as i just didnt feel like learning a new OS. so far its nice, but still get frustrated not knowing how to do certain things
Fun editing, Joe.
I'll stick to my MS3X.
Nobody suggested that you change haha.
@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest Everyone has got their preferences. I just, I like it. It's got a ridiculous learning curve but I feel more involved with it. It works for me lol.
Megasquirt the world!@@CanadaBud23
I put a microsquirt on my turbo ls and been loving it
Panasonic toughbook with ssd has never let me down in the heavy duty diesel truck tuning world, currently running a surface pro for holley, hptuners and Integrated engineering.
They are tough that’s about it
@Thumper68 you can spec them out to what ever you want
I run my cars on a Megasquirt. It has the most features/price of any EFI. Plenty of online support. It's self programing and has been running flawlessly on both my 452 cu. in ITB Ford FE with a race cam and my 4.6L twin turbo Cobra motor in my 1932 coupe for over 5 years. It runs Speed Density, ITB blend, or MAF on any vehicle or motorcycle.
Lots of people still think of Megasquirt as some sort of backyard hillbilly unit you build from old TV parts. I've used a few ECU's and I really like the MS product. I think really underrated.
@@andretorben9995 If you have a distributor, A MS2 or Microsquirt is all you need, it's so simple to set up. If you want to run COP or wasted spark a junk yard EDIS module will suffice. Batch fire is as good as sequential injection. Above 1500 rpm, there is no difference at all. The new MS3 Pro Mini has everything and it's under $700.
I've installed a number of different ecu's and I definitely have my preference. Some ecu manufacturers have really pathetic support and some manufacturers don't explain thoroughly in manuals and charge hectically for ancillaries and extra boxes /modules etc.
The one ecu I prefer, may not have all the features, but adapts to 90+% of the vehicles out there and the support is top notch.
We are so spoilt for choice nowadays, but there are ecu manufacturers that are worthy.
Good explanations and analogies.
thank you, i appreciate it
What cheapish laptop model # do you recommend for tuning Holley terminator X? Tuning just my personal car.
Great videos!
honestly if your just tuning your own car and not really doing anything else at the same time, anything name brand will work. ive had great luck up until recently with the inexpensive dell computers. you can also amazon search for refurbished units and get good computers for cheap
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The MoTec 800 series was the gold standard for well over a decade. No gremlins, it just did what you programmed it to do. Can’t say that was the case with all ecu’s until a few years ago. MoTec , syvecs and a few others are still top tier and custom tables for anything are available. It’s important to set your goals with the car. If it’s going to be a 6,7 second car a terminator with a separate traction control ecu isn’t the best answer. If you need to diagnose something quickly before heading to the finals the top tier boxes will get you there and to the podium. An example would be Brett lasala’s snot rocket. Small engine , MoTec and dialed.
I just bought a terminator x for my foxbody. Hope it goes well. Im a ttt member so hopefully I don't fuck it up too bad. Self learning as I build a 347 turbo engine
self learning is the fun part. can be frustrating at times but if you stick with it its super rewarding
You know what would be great? A tuner network where you can find one within 100 miles. Here in north Louisiana, finding a reputable tuner is like finding a four leaf clover. There are a couple tuners people say yes and no to, but that makes it ridiculously hard to make a decision on. Especially when the most reputable one likes working with diesel trucks more than gas burners.
Love the violent unboxing!
its my favorite part even though in the comments seem to get mad at it. the internet is a weird place haha not aloud to have fun now a days
have project car and ecu for it volvo v40 t4 and DTAfast T4 ECU will this work? stock simens unit is trash to tune
10:45 🎶 Your nuts roasting on an open laptop 🎶 😂
ecus can even be home built but I still love that I can use the stock computer with a custom os to do my personal power goals
yea it doesnt take much to run the engine. its all the other stuff that the aftermarket ecu's do that makes them so powerful
the aggressive flick of the pen cap thing is killing me 🤣
sometimes when i go back and watch this stuff as im editing im like wtf is wrong with me haha
Can you dub in dirt bikes continuously driving by the shop?
What about reliability? I've narrowed it down to holley because it's us based and a tuner can be found. The other is haltech due to being found more easy out of the country.
I plan on an overland land cruiser build and if something goes wrong when out of the U.S. am I over thinking this?
both are solid choices. most ecu manufactures have multiple options at different price points with different quality levels. just because its XXX brand doesnt mean its problem free if its not the right model.
I just did the "12210411" ecm swap on my 97 k3500 with L29 454. It is a lot more capable than the stock black box ecm. How do the better oem units compare to the aftermarket?
Usually way more of a pain in the ass and essentially have no i/o. I hate stock ecu stuff
I run the Fast XFI 2.05 although there is hardly any support out there i stll think it is a good system. I have 10+ yrs tuning my car with it and im self taught, never thought i would be somewhat of a tuner lol. I can say with confidence and a little time i can pretty much tune all the systems u have mention may struggle with the motec but have been around the holley and fueltech.
What's your thought on Xfi 2.05 Joe?
Thanks!
Never used it. In this area fast is basically obsolete
Been running fast in both of my Turbo buicks since 2012 with edash setups. And running Holley Hp in my V8 procharged car
Both buicks are 9 second street cars been fortunate to meet Cal ,Russ,and others .now today there are so many different products out there . I'm at a comfort level with both setups(FAST HOLLEY) the cars are fast enough for me no need to fix it if it's not broken
@@SuperNovadose I used the fast system for My 1900 hp Buick v6 . Self taught too yes it is out dated the systems now days are more user's friendly. If you know the basics not what to touch for initial start-up. You can do ok for novice tuner . Joe's videos have helped me a lot with new stuff finding windows I could have spent days trying to find. THANKS JOE 🇺🇲💯👍💥
@@stephenhans189 luckily I know probably the 3 best tuners in the turbo buick community
ATM choosing an ecu myself. I personally want to go halt ech 750 since my car is all- motor and I Don t mind if not want to re-wire the engine harness to get rid of the splicing I had to do to get Gm parts to work with a Mitsubishi. And get rid of an emulator for speed density that's near impossible to even get my laptop to connect to it to tune. My tuner suggests a link g4x for an evo8 and re-pin it to worth with my 94 3000gt. But that doesn't get rid of the somewhat hacked up harness (mostly the tps). And links are less popular for tuners here than haltechs. Difficult decision to make lol.
Why do all the pro mods and npk street outlaws cars just about all of them run FuelTech?
Can’t you run Parallels software on the Mac so you can switch to use a Windows based software e.g. Tuning programs. Just a suggestion - BTW you are awesome! Thank you for all of your content.
Yes but there are still limitations. Truthfully i just like having a dedicated tuning laptop since they get so beat up.
Think pad is just for tuning and the mac is more of an every day use kinda thing if that makes sense
@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest I use Mac for basically everything since windows is such a pain these days, however obviously a lot of programs that I need don't work on Mac however the program called CrossOver is a great solution, I use WinOLS, TunerPRO, XDFC and other windows only programs all without issue on my macs.
When i finally swap to an aftermarket ecu it will def be a holley mostly because someone makes an adaptor that hooks it directly to my stock harnesses and im lazy.
that goes into the "popularity" aspect of what i mentioned in the video - with popularity comes with easy installation options and all kinds of stuff like that! nothing wrong with a PNP solution!
reason I start with the limitations first.
Anything not offering a way to port CAN information into/out of their systems for control strategies I completely disregard.
yup, limitations is the main deciding factor. this day and age everything should atleast have CAN integration with their own products at the very least
5:59 You caught on film the Elusive Windows Update Monster. It stalks you, warns you, you tell it to go away and it will strike without notice, without warning!
Plug AC adapter to your laptop while running updates etc. to allow the laptop to go flat out.
Bro what about acces efi ? Is it really a rebranded haltech?
I enjoyed your video, can an aftermarket ECU upgrade a relatively stock car? What are mods that people do while using stock ECU’s that should be aftermarket?
Just questions that came to me, anyone is welcome to answer.
customer needs to decide what any ecu needs to to for them, their engine, or drivetrain setup. Only they can decide....many don't know
usually if the car isnt 1000 years old the factory ecu will run the engine just fine assuming its supported with a program like HP Tuners or something. most switch to an aftermarket ecu either to make tuning more simple, take advantage of closed loop control/safeties and things like that, "motorsports" features, and then there is the I/O which is where the aftermarket stuff really shines.
@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest running is a basic....as said, safety features, traction control, launch control, boost control ( most start n/a ), control of other performance needs, and of course that vital, datalogging.....
So any car at any level could benefit from such things, even if it does not need any to simply run an engine
Went from stock ECU in a mid 80's car to microsquirt it was a night and day difference the engine was way happier with the microsquirt. Went with a MS3 for the next build and very happy with that one also.
Killer video
I’m new to making videos, just wanted to point out how well this video is put together lol, I’m attempting to make my videos look half this good lol
It’s so much work. It’s nice to see somebody notices or cares haha
All the Revving really excited me and I’m totally serious, I’m thinking MUD TRUCK though. Do car guys like them? How about those sled pulls, those are crazy mad power!
the tractor pull stuff is really cool, i like all the fabrication with the compound turbo set ups and what not
You’ll love the think pad
i have a bunch of friends (the ones who dont use mac's) and they all love them. so far so good
I use a ThinkPad for tuning. I like the track pad (red dot). Hard to learn to use but worth it.
more laptop comparison videos please!
im not qualified for that haha
Any videos of the white dodge conguest? Or starion..
im not sure. its possible i posted one on my channel i cant remember haha
Good luck finding all of those marker caps! 😂
Id say thebest one is the middle cost effectiveness lack of assembly and most monitors
Want a fast laptop that’s still tough and cheap the older HP elitebook are a good option.
Great video. This is why I always say there is no one best ecu. There is only the best for a specific person and scenario. Price should be the last factor. Yes we are all on a budget and no point considering an ecu you can't afford but not only does spending a little more usually get you way more value it. can also save you untold time and money down the road with troubleshooting and safeties etc.
Yes, this. This is the whole point of the video.
Probably should have mentioned that people who have a bad experience are way faster to tell their experience vs the people who had a good experience.
Shoulda got a hospital rescue Toshiba from happel
I was about to rage on the blue curve at 2:45 until you brought out the red pen.
😂😂
I wish I could use my MacBook pro for tuning my terminator x, but they don't have a driver for the M1 chip architecture. Hopefully your MacBook is still Intel based.
It’s not. The mac isn’t used for tuning so I’m not too worried about it
My dell rugged laptop is great for tuning. Sunlight readable screen. Can take some abuse. I got a used one on ebay for cheap
ive had great luck with the dell stuff until the last 2
Any opinion for the hobby guy , on minisquirt and the ardunio based speedunio stuff ?
never used any of that stuff. when you do it for a living, you kinda dont get to use the super budget entry level stuff anymore which is kind of a shame
@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest thank you for the answer. i'm leaning towards making an attempt with the microsquirt, it uses the same software basicly as the megasquirt stuff. not sure how good that is, but my assumption is that it can be better than attempting to fiddle with the bone stock ecu.
Computers out here sounding like ps4 at 3am
Is Holley system capable of cruise control on drive by wire setup
No but check with Dakota digital for their DBW cruise control box
@@nocturnalspecialties642ok thank u I will check them out
In the mid 2000's I fitted and mapped new ECU for a customer, it was developed in Sweden by a company I had never heard from. 2024 and I still prefer to install and map these over any other ecu manufacturer...I'm not a fan boy..I come from a hardware and software engineering background..I know quality, support, and results count over anything else
So end of the day, you would choose Holley Dominator?
not for all applications, no
After ripping out one ECU that had the worlds crappiest support I agree with Joe. Its all about - 1/ Price 2/ manufacturer support 3/online support such as forums and video's and 3/ Local tuner support . If you can tick all those boxes get your wallet out.
I’m going with a Dominator because that’s what my tuner likes. I am an Apple user and know that Haltech software works natively on MacOS.
I didn’t know that about haltech. That’s pretty cool
Well I could be wrong. I was just checking their site (to make sure I wasn’t lying and make myself look dumb - lulz) and don’t see it now. Maybe they took it down?
@@johnparrotte9352 you would think all of these companies would just have versions for windows and mac at this point
this was a fun video!
took too damn long haha
@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest im tryin to be like you when i grow up
@@pop_pops_garage i don’t suggest that one bit 😂
@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest hahaha
Even the best ecu is crap if bad data is entered 😉. Garbage in garbage out. Keep up the great videos
works that way with everything! can buy a 20k dollar camera and make crappy videos 🤣
You need to let me build a desktop that you can hook up while tuning on the dyno. OH WAIT!! It is already sitting here beside me!!
Lol. I had a laptop actually warp from the heat.
Went to walmart and bought the biggest laptop they had to finish the job....still use it 😅
hahaha thats pretty crazy. with the alienware laptop i have, i kinda learned i dont like a laptop that is too big, which i never really would have guessed
Why not run parallels on the Mac 🤔🧐
2 different uses. the windows computer is for tuning and stays at the shop - the mac comes with me everywhere and isnt used for tuning. depending if i like it enough and ever decided to get another for tuning id 100% go that route. we will see
If The Original Outlaw Racer: The Big Red Camaro uses Holley Dominator efi; Holley must be a great tuners tool.
there are a million different cars all going fast on various ecu's. holley and fueltech seem to be the most popular now a days (atleast in this area)
I have a HP Pavillion. Works just fine
yea those are good too
And another thing, "you get what you pay for" isn't always true, eh?
Nice video!
Now tell us how you feel about you tube, twitter, tik tok, and facebook, because this was highly entertaining for me.
lol im still using megasquirt v2.2... it's got over 250k miles on it... it is almost 20 yrs old and I've been thinking about a new ecu only because I'm afraid my old ms is going to die. I've been using the same laptop the whole time and its on its 2nd battery. the good news is i haven't blown a head gasket in like 10yrs.
For $250 I am really happy with my SpeedyEFI ecu. All my struggles were cuz of me not the ecu 😂 first time ever dealing with full standalone.
Never even heard of it. $250 is crazy! 9 times out of 10 If it doesn’t work its user error or some sort of problem being overlooked.
If a $250 ecu can work than they should all work!
@JoeSimpsonAtTempest its a Speeduino based ecu which is sort of similar to MS stuff and uses Tunerstudio. Hell of a learning curve (on my end) but I got a decent grasp on it now. Love having integrated boost control too ❤️
FWIW - I use MacBook with Holley EFI in a virtual machine (Parallels - Windows 11). (Shout out to my class buddies...) Unfortunately If you want to tune, you have to be a computer tech... that's just the bottom line. I drop my MacBook all the time which is why I have a cheap cover case. And if you're running a business, you need to have a backup on your critical software and tools or else run the risk of being down.
back up's is really important. i dont plan to use the mac for tuning so not going the parallels route - but if i decide i like the mac enough to commit to switching for good, that is always an option. its a yearly payment type thing isnt it?
@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest Yes for 'automatic' upgrades. It seems like everything is a yearly payment these days. I have an old Windows 95 system that still runs - what happened to those days!
Gaming laptops have worked best for me. Business class machines just dont cut it. Currently using a Rog G14 and a Msi crosshair17 , my toughbooks just sit gathering dust, except when i need to burn a prom.
Did you know you can do EFI without digital circuits? Tuned with a couple potentiometers. i made a video about that. Analog fuel injection. And another video going into low level theroy/math for an Arduino 2560.
cant say ive ever done any of that but anythings possible if you like to torture yourself enough haha
... Get a wide band and turn the 2 only knobs until it reads right.
I've use both Mac and Windows for so long on a daily basis the OS's have merged into one OS in my brain. I also use Mac keyboards on Windows that really confuses people. Windows is the straight blade screwdriver, Mac is Phillips, and Linux is Torx. Sure you might be able to turn that Phillips or Torx with a straight blade but it is not fun and the wrong tool.
10:00 Good lord why did that hurt my soul. I mean it is in a shop so it's bound to be beat up but ow I felt that knowing the price tag. I at least now have nightmare fuel for people who dust off their keyboards. Funny how some old plastic fan shroud is able to SHREAD that metal cover lol... And how its not always what the thing is made of but the real hardware it contains that makes it good at what it does. Weirdly poetic.
But can you turn a Terminator X into a dominator? Jkjk. Excellent video.
Sure can for about $3000
Science + Art = Magic -- This is how I view tuners. The Master will make jaws drop with awe and the under-experienced novice will have his work disappear in a fiery poof of smoke.
I mean when you have to install windows on a Mac to do things the Mac is kinda pointless
i completely disagree considering how much better than mac is at so many things.
I use the best ecu called my mind to right foot with an distributor and a carburetor.
As someone who builds computers and does tech support. The only laptop I saw worth owning there was the Thinkpad due to it being a robust workhorse, even if it isn't the most powerful. Alienware is owned by Dell and is over priced trash. 80% of people that didn't use the laptop as a desktop princess saw theirs fall apart in 6 to 9 months. If you bought the Macbook new and it is the new ARM processor. Congrats, you bought a ticking time weight due to a major design flaw. They M2 line got ride of the bios configs and whatnot off a chip on the motherboard. Now they have all that on the MVNE drive. This issue with this? That motherboard is tied too that drive. It goes out at the end of it's read/write cycles. Depending on use, in 3 years. Your drive is bricked and even if you buy a new drive for it. The motherboard won't know what to do with it. Then you are forced to buy a new laptop if you want it working. The engineered obsoletion to force costumers into buying more is the most anti consumer bullshit I have ever seen. Seeing Apple's fight against the right to repair up till recently. This logically makes since that they made this choice.
If you are going to buy a gaming laptop on a budget that is better build quality and lasts long. MSI is great. Even if you only pickup one with a 4 gig gpu. Most have 6 core cpus or better designed for gaming. AMD has been making amazing APUs with graphics cores on the same die. This allows low power, less intensive taks to run on the APU (CPU with on board graphics cores). The added bonus is, If you are recording and running screenshare in i.e. OBS. You can have your video encoder running on your APU and then all other software, including multiple tabs on a web browser on your GPU. This concept can apply to other apps that support this feature. Giving you the ability to distribute the workload more efficiently. The added bonus of paying a little more for a low end gaming laptop from MSI even when not gaming. That hardware is overpowered for many applications outside animation, gaming, and CAD work. Therefore. You pick up a good MSI for 800-900 bucks, that laptop will last many years of use. Far more and still be snappy for what used outside of the 3 mentioned than what you showed on your table for your selection of computers.
Though I like your presentation and comparisons, objectively. Your lack of higher detailed knowledge on PC's and Macs shows a bit. I think if you used the same lens of scrutiny with a better knowledge of computers. This would be one of the most through ways to tackle for the common folk. I respect your mindset going into this though. Should you ever need suggestions. Feel free to reach back out.
How you approach this though did earn a subscribe. Keep being a BAMF!
I miss the part where He band sawed one of them in half to check the guts...
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