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Is Adrien just going to ignore the fact that his father abused him emotionally for an entire year by threatening to pull him out of school, preventing him from seeing certain friends, forcing him to do modelling, and even locking him inside a padded cell? He was a very mean and distant father who was quite cruel to Adrien, yet Adrien is somehow supposed to forget all that and remember his father as this perfect guy?
ikr! this is definitely the aspect that angered me most about the finale.
That was so gross tbh, why are you having this child idolize their abuser 🤦🏽♀️
Yeah! Also both times Adrien’s akumatized it’s Gabriel traumatizing him enough to get akumatized then using him to get what he wants. Heck in chat blanc he takes out his staff and whips Adrien into the Eiffel Tower. I’m also confused about the “tried to be a good father line” like when? He made pancakes but also forced his son into a relationship he didn’t want, tried to break up the one he had, abused the actual power he had over him to do so etc, and those examples were just from season 5 when he was supposedly redeemed. I also recall him saying lines like “I’m doing this for us” or “we’ll be a happy family again” meaning he didnt plan on giving his own life despite knowing the price of the wish.
Maybe Adrien just doesn’t see how mentally abusive his father is because usually kids, who grew up in abusive households don’t acknowledge or notice how cruel their parents or guardians are and finds it normal behaviour from a parent.
Now I'm imagining how good an animatic of Requiem would be with Adrien/Chat Noir (Zoe Murphy), Nathalie (dad) and Marinette/Ladybug (mom) would be. Adrien thinks his dad is this hero because of what Ladybug said and fails to reconcile that with how his father had treated him, Nathalie knows the truth and is disappointed, and Marinette is stuck in this delusion that what Gabriel did in the end was the noble sacrifice the show thinks it was.
I dont understand how people feel bad for Gabriel. He claims hes doing this for his son, yet continues to abuse and manipulate him, while also hurting innocent people, some of which were Adriens friends. I cant even feel empathetic towards him because we barely know anything about Emily, the person he was trying to save. How is the audience supposed to care when we dont even have a flashback of her?
Just because he had this one moment, suddenly people miss him, I know hes been the shows villain for a long time, but come on, he isnt even a good villain.
Good point…burn his statue to the ground!!!!!!🔥
Peoples including me Loved Gabriel after S2 cause he start caring more and more about his son and showed love to him. In moment when he could win cause he got Ladybug decided to let her go cause his son was falling to his death (e11 S2 [I think]) or moment when he decided to gave up since he noticed that he is only hurting his son because all of tha (lets forget scene when he come back cause of seeing be miraculous) and then season 3 and later ones come up and Gabriel from the Villain that start being simphatetic become literaly pathetic monster everyone hates
@@Jasiuc330 S3 is my favourite but you right, there start showing Gabriel as bastard and guy who say one, but doing second.
i think when he made the wish, the wish wasnt to bring emilie back BUT to reverse the consequences of the broken peacock miraculous so that both natalie and emilie will be brought back to life in just 1 wish
edit: gosh i started a whole game of "orr what if?" in the reply section and never noticed
Woah
@harlynqueenzle3766 nooooooo
But I think in that case, the consequence should be that another miraculous is broken and all people who used that other broken miraculous would be damaged until death
(I do not know if I am clear)
@@mareceloirrazabal there are people saying that it might be the butterfly miraculous
@@PDD555 Or perhaps a different Miraculous entirely
Perhaps that was why Lila was so scared at the end of season 5????
Man, I wanted to see Gabriel and Tsurugi-san to go to jail SO BAD. If would have been SO beautiful to see them jailed, not because of anything relating to the miraculous, but for child abuse.
How, exactly? If we are excluding magical mambo yambo, they made nothing of strictly illegal. All the rest they were doing it publicly enough, after all.
@@FrancescaAkira89They literally enslaved the world and attacked innocent people, that's a huge crime
@@FrancescaAkira89
They locked their children in a white torture cell. With cameras.
The fact that after all the stuff that gabriel did whrn he got the chance to save emily should already prove he was not doing it for her. Heck the fact that in the vid before emily went into the coma she was warning agaisnt Gabe's madness shows she already knew he was going down a dark path.
If he really wanted to atone he wouldnt have asked marianette to keep his secret as hawkmoth. he would have asked her to pass on a message of apology and asking for forgiveness for both his wife and son. the man is just gross
time travel is a btch if he would do that then that version of himself would never exist so he couldnt do that so its impossible to do on the other hand he had the power the recreate the universe he could just make everyone forget about him or literally anything but he said read my soul so this shows what he wanted script may be poorly written but this doesnt change that he got his redemption
As gross as Martin Brenner! And Kingpin!
Side effect, Adrien would discover that he killed both his parents.
PEOPLE FEEL BAD FOR HIM???!!! He mind comtrolled half the city, threatened to start a war between paris and new york, yeeted children in alternate timelines, and was abusive towards his son
3:38 he still doesn't lose anything, he just wins more with what wish, HE WAS A STATUE OF HIMSELF AND WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR PROBABLY YEARS NOT ONLY CUZ HE WAS A [ I forgot the name of his job] BUT A HERO FOR SOME RESON.
edit: FAMOUS DESINER! I remembered it
Because Marinette didn't want to ruin Adrien's image of Gabriel
So she said that Gabriel HELPED during the final battle
But yeah Gabe is a pathetic coward
@@Archiver_Studio yea I know, but even if you don't count that, he still wins in some way, insaid his mind he is the winner
@@Archiver_Studioand gabriel asked her not too
Is also a reason
@@Archiver_StudioIt also made me angry that the writers chose not to have Marinette grow as a character by perpetuating Gabriel’s lies. She didn’t want to tell him she’s the one who knitted/made the scarf but that was when she didn’t know Gabriel was the villain. After all that pain and heartbreak from concealing truths from Chat…Did she learn anything at all??? 😤 To me there was no character progression for Marinette, sorry but the retroactive plot with Kim…UGH. It seems like they read/saw all her previous flaws with her obsessing over Adrien and wanted to justify them.
@@birdaventures7900 It would've made sense if she at least told SOMEBODY
But instead she just did exactly what Gabriel wanted her to do in order to hide from the toxic truth
He's a coward and doesn't want to be seen as a coward
Gabriel's "sacrifice" reminds me of both prison sentences that Cozy Glow served in MLP.
Tiny 12 year old foal doesn't like that her world is ruled by four magic gods, and decides to get rid of magic twice. The first time they imprison her in Tartarus for her crimes. Fandom is generally okay with it, but there are some who say she should have been reformed, despite her literally being at a school that specializes in it, and they couldn't help her.
She escapes, does the same damn thing again (with help) and gets encased in stone for eternity. Same arguments
@@kendraroth1276 Yeah
She tried stripping magic from Equestria in order to completely erase all magical forces
Leaving the princesses as nothing but pony's with wings and horns
And people said she should've been redeemed
DESPITE DOING THE SAME THING TWICE WHILE GOING TO THE SCHOOL OF FRIENDSHIP
@@kendraroth1276 yeah she straight up did not want to be reformed. She was a student of the school, and actively fought against them at every turn. She made a magical ritual circle in the basement of the school, using the magic artifacts the teachers discovered. She was a menace, and even stole magic from Discord
I haven’t rly remembered the ending bc it came out a few years ago, but like, discord got encased in stone, we saw how that turned out
@@quinify6530 Yeah but he's an immortal without sanity. You're permanently conscious while in stone according to him. It could make her go mad
Yes but to be fair cozy glow only escaped because of discord, I think it was a bit harsh to imprison a 12 yr old in stone forever
I know what she did was bad but she’s 12, they escaped because of discord just put her back in Tartarus
Wow, I wrote a thesis...
I agree with you. When I found out how the finale ended, I was furious. Five seasons to end like that was honestly lazy, considering that they were trying 'add depth' to characters. I swear they give the villains more plot armor in the show than the heroes sometimes (side-eying Lila).
-Also, it's obvious that Gabrial did not have Adrien's best interests at heart. He basically kept him caged up until Natalie and Adrien basically forced his hand to let Adrien go to school.
-When Adrien had friends who legitimately cared for him, he'd rather Adrien hang out with obviously toxic people who were (there is no way he missed this) only out to make his son a trophy husband.
-He gaslighted Adrien all the time and abused his parental authority and Adrien's love to force Adrien to do things he wasn't comfortable with, including modeling, acting, and using his face for the alliance ring.
-He had chances to fix things several times or stop what he was doing but didn't, including but not restricted to, the time when he had the bunny miraculous.
-It's understandable to an extent that if his identity as Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth/Monarch (Pick one dude-uh sir), it would ruin Adrien's life (on an international level) forever. However, being remembered as a hero is way too much. Let's not forget Kagami's mom (Am I the only one who found her translation as an overly strict Japanese samurai woman a little basic?) also getting glory for LITERAL CRIMES AND THE EQUIVALENT OF STARTING A WORLD WAR!
-Also, Gabrial tortured and abused all the kwamis in his care. Period.
-Anyone also remembers his getting angry at Adrien when Adrien thought Gabriel and Natalie were a thing? Kudos that they didn't have the 'kid sees parent fall in love again and get upset' trope, but the poor boy just wanted a family again! He got more understanding and love from his mute driver!
-And what was with the vague wish and price they gave us? I think they chose that cause they had no idea where to go because, let's be honest, the writing of this show is really bad overall. I loved watching this back in 2019 when I discovered it around the season three release, but the plot holes, inconsistencies, and horrific logic. (Picking fourteen-year-olds as holders of Creation and Destruction for no reason, but they helped an old man was super careless, and they didn't even bother adding an easy-to-add detail like 'when you've carried a miraculous form a young age, you grow much stronger' or something.)
-If you read this far, let me say what I found interesting about this... If the wish was to reverse the damage done by the peacock, does this now damage the butterfly? Is this why Lila was surprised? Please don't tell me she had no idea what it was.
i agree all of this! personally, i don't think that the wish was to reverse the damage on the peacock because then colt fathom would be alive.....and that would be far too dark for miraculous. ALSO i don't really think they would damage the butterfly miraculous because of how young lila is (granted we don't know her age, but we do know that she can pass for 14). overall, the finale was really confusing and i'm not sure how the writers are going to be able to explain all of it next season.
@@amokalert Part of me is curious to see how the butterfly miraculous would operate for a child.
Gabriel is for me propably worst father I saw in cinema history and damn, he had a strong competition, like Darth Vader, Ozai (but he respected Azula and greet back Zuko after prove to him), Gendo Ikari...
But damn, this bastard was so delusional, saying he doing for his family, and next episode do some mess to his son xD In finale he literally put his kid in torture room and use him as test subject.
He definitely loved Adrien y'all are just projecting
@@emmanuelotiki1555 idk if you troll or not, so i troll too.
Goebbels were propably also caring parents.
This is how I feel about the finale 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮💀💀💀💀💀💀💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩👎👎🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
me too
Same
@@amokalertYeah. The writers fucked up the finale. They need to quit the job right now because I know they'll fucked up in Season 6.
Gabriel is a horrible person and Paris is better of without him
Same I totally agree.
Faxx
Preach! However, Lila still standing and Tomoe being an accomplice just doesn’t sit right!
But at least Chloe and Audrey are buried.
@@hdelmas1what happened to Chloe and her mom because they weren’t in the last episode of season 5
im still shocked the fandom thinks gabriel was a noble/good person. like do yall think that the one thing he did right erases the pain and torment he caused to the entirety of paris?? like did yall forget that he literally almost got people killed throughout the entire series????
WAIT WHEN DID HE ALMOST GET PPL KILLED?
@@aestheticallyme5622 CHAT BLANC LITERALLY EVERYONE IN PARIS WAS GONE 💀
@@tekuteko OH YEAHHH
The finale is honestly just so weird. Gabriel has caused so much hurt to the entire world in the past five seasons and he just gets a free pass. He was an abusive father who was also hungry for power and blinded by ambition to the point where he didn’t care what harm might befall someone else as long as he got his own perfect version of the world. Marinette shouldn’t have stopped fighting him after finding out he was Monarch, even if it was for Adrien. At this point, there was obviously no getting through to him and his actions actually changing these characters lives in a negative way would have done so much more for the story. He was selfish and opportunistic through the entirety of the series and seeing that gold statue of him was just maddening. I also don’t think that he should have been able to choose what to give in exchange for his wish- perhaps not because it didn’t work out in this case but because it completely invalidates the reason that the heroes can’t just make a wish of their own. In the end I’m just so confused about the world that he ended up creating. I can’t tell what his wish was, what exactly has changed, or what memories the rest of the cast has retained. Lastly, I find it very sick that Marinette seems to be going along with hiding the truth of what really happened from Adrien and not telling him the his father was Monarch. It’s okay to want him to be able to remember his father fondly but Gabriel didn’t earn that and Adrien can’t keep living a lie and not knowing forever. It’s not good or fair of Marinette to keep such important information from him, even if it might be upsetting. He will find out eventually through the message that Ladybug left for Chat Noir and unless Marinette talks to him first or hides her secret identity from him forever I see a betrayal arc coming along. Either way, the kid deserves healthier relationships and more truth than what he’s gotten.
I completely agree with you! What Gabriel did was not heroic or noble in the slightest! It irks me that the writer’s had to force a bs happy ending to the Gabriel arc when he really didn’t deserve one. Gabriel had the chance to give up on his selfish desires when he was shown pity by the one person who owed him nothing, Marinette. In fact, it’s because of him that Marinette’s life got turned upside down overnight when she was given the responsibility to be Ladybug. This isn’t to say that her life was ruined and in fact, a lot of what happened to her would’ve have happened if she wasn’t Ladybug, but at the same time, he put Marinette through so much. It was because of him that she had such a hard time pursuing love, it was because of him that she was forced into being the guardian at such a young age, it was because of him that she was even put in the position to lose all of the miraculouses in the first place. He even tried everything in his power to sabotage her relationship with his son because he’s stuck in his delusion that it was okay for him to control every aspect of his son’s life and make every living decision for him like he’s some sort of puppet. Up until the end, Gabriel even talks all the nonsense about how nobody but him and his family matter as if he’s better and deserves more than everybody else, even though he’s just flesh and blood like everybody else. Pretty ironic how a simple tailor who had no money could grow into such a delusional person. Despite all of this, Marinette still finds it in her heart to pity this man and offer him the opportunity to set things right, but he doesn’t. Instead of listening to Marinette and accepting that what he’s done is all his own fault, he decides to steal the miraculouses anyway and make a wish, knowing very well that he could destroy the entire world as we know it in the process, and he has the audacity after all that to ask Marinette to never let Adrien find out about the villain he became?! How absolutely and utterly selfish of him!! It breaks my heart even more knowing that Marinette goes along with this and lies to Adrien who deserves to know more than anybody what type of person his father really was. I hope he finds out the truth in season 6 and uses his cataclysm to destroy that statue because I don’t think I could ever be happy with the writer’s decision to pretend like Gabriel was this huge hero worthy of praise and adoration when it’s really the opposite. If he’s gonna take the cowardly way out, he could at least accept that the world and his son should hate him for what he became and understand that he brought this on himself. It’s frustrating to see the writer’s taking this approach to end an arc that lasted 5 whole seasons and was over 8 years in the making (not even including the time that it must’ve taken to develop the idea in the first place before it first aired in 2015). Gabriel has never and will never be a hero (at least in this story’s reality).
And one more final thought to add (since I didn’t really know where this could fit), I find it terrifying that this lie that Marinette decides to go along with could potentially ruin the relationship between Ladybug and Cat Noir and even ruin her own relationship with Adrien if he ever found out she was Ladybug. If Ladybug decides to tell Cat Noir the whole story, he would then become aware of the fact that Ladybug lied to him as Adrien. With this in mind, I could imagine that Adrien/Cat Noir would begin to really resent Ladybug for lying to him about his father despite knowing the truth the whole time. This could potentially even mean the end of his relationship with Marinette if he ever found out who she really was. I could honestly see this whole drama leading to the reveal as well. Maybe after finding out the truth, Cat Noir not knowing who to turn to decides to turn to Marinette, his girlfriend, the person who always makes him feel better and always knows exactly what to say. In a moment of weakness and wanting to find a way to explain how he found out, he reveals to Marinette that he’s Cat Noir. This would then put Marinette in a super tough situation because she could either continue to keep her secret by lying to the boy she loves or risk ruining her relationship by telling the truth and revealing herself as Ladybug. If this were to happen, I don’t imagine it going well like it did in all of these other alternate timelines where it eventually got reversed/erased. Would this all make for interesting drama and story, absolutely, but at the same time, I don’t wanna see Marinette and Adrien fighting and their relationship falling apart due to Gabriel’s selfishness.
I don't know? I get the feeling they're gonna fucked up Miraculous Ladybug Season 6.
A lot of fans also forgets that Gabriel manipulate his son mind with a ring, abusing even worse of the power he had over his son.
Like that it is one of the most horrible things I see a dad do to his son, Adrien don't have any passion or identity besides loving Marinette (something that it is not cute if his only passion depends of someone else emotions).
the ring thing was a fanbase's idea, there's not ring in Catblanc or in Gorizilla.
Honestly a better version of Gabriel would be Pegasus. He also tried to bring back his wife, and skillfully manipulated Yugi and Kaiba into betting their souls all in one season. Gabriel has been doing the same cat and mouse routine for 5 seasons.
Miraculous is really quite a bit like Yu-Gi-Oh... 😄
We have the protagonist with the unusual haircolor, a blonde that gets often overlooked, a rich kid who solves all their problems with money, magical Artifacts that could destroy the world world, with ties to ancient Egypt.....
I agree with you as well, he didn't sacrifice anything and I also believe that is tied to the mysterious entity that scares Lila in the finale. From what I've understood Gabriel wished for a world that would make Adrien happy which is why everything is so perfect in the end. However by doing this he didn't really pay a price and as a result not only supplied Lila with the butterfly but also manifested a dark entity to bring horror and chaos into the world to balance it out. I got the idea from how the death entity is portrayed in various works, whenever death felt cheated he went out of his way to get even. I feel its something like that, I also feel that this means the end of the Heros always winning and with them taking one loss after another.
wow! i had never thought of that! that actually makes a lot of sense and would be really cool to see.
Really good one and hope writers do something like that, cuz the show end too good after hearing how dangerous could be use of Wish.
This is a hot take but I honestly think that the show did Gabriel more dirty than Adrien. Gabriel is full of complexities with a diverse range of mental health issues, codependency issues and a developing God complex along with some abandonment issues. He had so much potential. But I feel like the writers didn’t know exactly what to do with him and were torn between making him sympathetic be making him the goofy cartoon villain.
Honestly Movie Gabriel > show Gabriel. I feel like Astruc originally wanted show Gabriel to have the same nuance that movie Gabriel had but just failed so epically.
Honestly for the Paris Special of Shadybug and Claw Noir I’m honestly more excited for Hesperia which is hero Gabriel. Given he’s a hero I hope they don’t fuck up his character.
this is so true! they tried to make him a sympathetic villain but they honestly failed misterably.
I hate to break it to you, but Hesperia is not Gabriel.
@@mexxhan5981 the synopsis said the wielder of the butterfly miraculous is Hesperia. In the trailer we see alternate Gabriel in a butterfly themed costume save Marinette. Gabriel is Hesperia.
Can you tell me what led you to believe he isn’t ? You can't just dispute a point without explaining it...
@@Allthingsasian Hmm, there is some promotional materials featuring Alya as a superhero.
But I guess you got a point.
@@mexxhan5981 we can see in the trailer that Alya was akumatized seemingly by alternate Gabriel, most likely using her as a portal for Claw Noir and Shadybug in order to trap them and for him, ladybug and Chat Noir to defeat them.
It seems in this alternate reality that Nino and Alya are working alongside Gabriel to defeat Shadybug and Claw Noir.
I think that we all think that it WASN'T a noble sacrifice, yet we still wish HawkDaddy well because he was a great character. The show won't be the same without him.
“hawkdaddy”💀
Nah it will the story is so flexible and bad to change the main villain
I cannot imagine Lila as main villain. Especially after she came this Iris/Cerise shit.
I was terrified that Gabe would get redeemed in the final episode. I thought that if he did get redeemed it would be terrible (and I think we all know why)
BUT HOLY ABSOLUTE CRAP IT WAS SO MICH FRICKING WORSE THAN I COULD HAEV EVER IMAGINED OH MY GOD WAS THAT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have nothing but applause for your video. I completely agree that his sacrifice was not "noble" but self-centered. I dunno if you or anyone in your fanbase watch Steven Universe, but it reminds me so much of Rose Quartz giving herself up to birth Steven. While it was a beautiful trade on the surface, she was responsible for so many atrocities that she never took responsibility for and then just vanished, and the show does an incredible job of showing the consequences and how that lack of resolution and accountability severely impact the characters.
Part of me hopes that they either reverse the wish somehow (which I wouldn't put it past them to create some loophole to do so) and that Gabriel actually faces the consequences of his horrible actions; or that the truth comes out and the realistic difficulty of finding closure when the one person that is supposed to take responsibility isn't there to do so.
This final was AMAZING
there were many difficult moments and omissions .. but yes. it was very interesting and intense)
Great video. If the show wants to get my respect back (which it did not have since the ending of Season 3), they need to address this. Otherwise, they would just send a terrible message. To be fair, MLB has been sending terrible messages since the very beginning, but this might even be its worst one yet.
I see that as well. I think you nailed it. HE won, and yes, we have Nathalie back and Adrien is surrounded by love. Nice video!
I think that the purpose of Gabe being applauded as a hero/saviour, is so that Adrien will have a more complicated background (in order for the upcoming seasons). We can somewhat assume that the next hawkmoth will be Lila (tho the electric thing in the epilogue also bothers me). Whatever happens, how f**ked up would it be for Adrien to find out that Marinette is Ladybug, Monarch is Gabe, and that Ladybug lied and deceived him and all of Paris. Not just hidden from Adrien, but also from Chat Noir (obviously the same person, but the superhero partner version). It would be the heart breaking bitter truth that Lila (and those like her) would take advantage of. After all, the granted wish so far, does not seem to erase memories.
Just my opinion.❤
I just think people forget that to make a wish you destroy the universe. Gabe killed his son along with everyone else, because that is how the wish process works.
I always thought the reason why in evolution he didn’t just give the usb to his past self was cause he thought ladybug and chat noir were going to defeat him in the past meaning he would never go back in time and never give the usb to himself
i really really hope this ending was so "bad" on purpose because we don't know the wish, it could be that gabriel is still deceiving everyone and actually has a really cool plan that makes it actually difficult for the heroes for once. otherwise it would be shitty writing
that’s my exact thought honestly!
@@amokalert yeah i do think that it would kind of fit the theme, seeing how dystopian the season got
i do love at the final scene, marinatte did get through to gabrial and as a redeeming act he made the wish to bring natallie and emilie back to life,
SOOOOO TRUE! I AGREE 👍💯
AND CG ON 167 SUBS ❤️ (don't forget me when u get famous 😘)
i won’t! 💗💗
Isn't the person in the epilogue Amelie though? Since Emilie is usually portrayed wearing white clothes, while Amelie black. Also Gabriel's biggest wish was to *be* with Emilie, not necessarily to bring her back to life, so by sacraficing his own to save Nathalie he'd join her in the afterlife (as shown in the scene where he's dying and holding her, suggesting *he* went to *her* and not vice versa)?
I’m not sure! I’ve heard people say both Emilie and Amelie!
@@amokalertyeah, the finale didn't do a good job with explaining what actually happened. This is a very important detail, yet we didn't get a clear answer. Shame. Great video by the way! I was just curious what you think
Emilie’s statue is gone in the epilogue. Potentially meaning it was her next to Natalie
@@starlightlilly7203 understand he can't bring back emilie with the wish cause people know she is already dead this way it would be strange to see emilie miraculously brought back and they would know that gabriel wished for her to come back so they will assume he is monarch but natalie only ladybug saw her dying so bringing her won't cause suspions and people won't know that gab wished to make come back and that way no one would know about the wish and ladybug this way kept gae's secret so understand making emilie come back makes 0 sense and would kill the message of the serie which is to accept someone 's death .if it was emilie people watching the serie that gabriel won and died peacefully escaping consequences and that ''s dumb
It was Gabe's wish that he use the peacock miraculous in the past to create Adrien instead of Emilie. This brings back both Emilie and Natalie and he pays the price by sacrificing himself. This is quite simple but it has some annoying consequences.
As the reality is rewritten, there's no Hawkmoth and there is no Ladybug/Cat Noir in the changed universe. (Not to mention Master Su-Han!) Someone else will find the peacock and butterfly miraculous that Master Fu lost if it happens at all. I think the new movie will give answers but it's quite unlikely that a villain comes out of nowhere and gets the butterfly miraculous, and it will be Adrien and Marinette who get the ladybug/cat miraculous against him. Also, since this is a whole new universe, no one remembers Hawk Moth/Monarch from the defunct universe, making the ending of the final part invalid.
You're really very underrated ❤❤
Your channel's so underrated! New sub, and love the vid
thank youu!
@@amokalert np!!
I still can't believe that in the same season that Chloé was essentially banished from Paris for working with Gabriel and is left with a mother who doesn't care about her, Gabriel is seen as a hero and has a statue of himself.
*sigh*
I began to lose faith in this show at Season 4 with how they handled Lukanette and I couldn't take Gabriel as a threat anymore considering that, once again, his victory was handed to him by someone else. I had nothing to look forward to since every single Miraculous power has been revealed, their users, suits and codenames. Still, once I realized that Season 5 was the last season with Gabriel as a villain, I decided to see how they handled it. It was going well with Nathalie roasting Gabriel, Adrien standing up to Gabriel a few times, Gabriel looking like he was spending time with his son, Adrienette finally becoming canon. There were some hiccups with LB being stupid and not grabbing the Miraculous when she should have or the class still not believing Marinette that Lila was a liar, but it was the usual stupidity, so I was used to it.
And then the leak happened...
Look, I'm the type of guy that will still watch a show even if you spoil the finale for me, but this... This *broke* me. I genuinely stopped watching, only seeing reviews and reading the transcripts of the english version to make sure I didn't miss anything. I was just... done.
You had it. You had the perfect formula for a finale and you still screwed up, both with Adrien and Gabriel.
I only have one hope for this show and that is Adrien finding out and being reasonably mad. But even if they do that, I just know they'll screw it up.
what the hell? you’re so underrated!! new sub
Thank you for this! I've seen so many people sympathizing with Gabriel and justifying his actions as if he's not a literal abuser and supervillain?? He's shown time and time again that his motives are selfish and he doesn't hesitate to hurt others, including his son who he's supposedly doing all this for. It also infuriates me that he asked Marinette to lie to Adrien by not telling him that his dad was Hawkmoth, and that she went along with it! She told him his dad was a hero and ended up making him look up to/glorify his abuser.
This was a really interesting take off the finale and honestly a really good point. I did notice that Monarch basically won but it didn't occur to me that not only did he win but he doesn't face any consequences for his actions.
Thank you!!!! I was thinking the same thing. He was selfish the entire time!
THIS SHOW NEEDS A WHOLE REBOOT!!!!
Indeed, Man.
What i don't like about the finale is that Adrien is being fenced from the learning the truth about his father. Marinette shouldn't have to lie to him about what happened. But i guess it is a bit hard to explain since Gabriel basically changed the timeline with his wish. But still narratively it doesn't change anything for us because Adrien is still in the dark about it.
Thank you for putting my feelings about the finale into words! I completely agree.
When Adrien and Marinette kiss in the end of season 5 they are sitting where Emilie's statue was and no longer is so the woman beside Natalie is Emilie (I think Gabriel wished the peacock miraculous was never broken and his old life be the sacrifice) if so then that would mean Colt Fatham would still be alive too. And I don't believe Gabriel is dead
This is also good for Adrien so he's not treated badly for his father's sins and doesn't lose his inheritance having to pay Parisians for the torment Gabriel put them through as the villain
i’ve heard a lot of people say this! however, i’m not sure they would bring back colt fathom just because of how abusive he was. it would be hard to market the show for younger audiences if he was brought back imo!
@@amokalertI agree
But it doesn't make sense adrein knew she is dead
But suddenly she respawn
Adrein reactions 🙁😕😘
And how did she respawn ??? How do they know only marrinte would know it of its emile
That's Felix mom
Reparing peacock miraculous ≠ death. Wish has to be equal to the sacrifice, can't be different.
It's actually confirmed he did brought Emilie back too, but yeah the point still stands. As for Adrien being kept in the dark regarding Gabriel being Monarch, I think it's only because Marinette couldn't bring herself to break his heart by revealing this to him, and this also may be a coping mechanism for Adrien too to think he was good in the end
I just hope that Marinette will tell Adrien the truth one day. If he does find out the truth and it won't be from Marinette or on accident, then there's definitely gonna be problems between the two. Marinette has to tell Adrien the truth! He deserves to know the truth about Gabriel! He's his father for crying out loud! It is already upsetting enough how he wasn't there for the final battle. Adrien seriously gets no justice in the show, and it's very infuriating and pathetic.
Yes, I really hope they lean into this in future seasons and not pretend anything Gabriel did was genuine/justified.
While Gabriel was a selfish manipulator, I like to think the wish was his way as an apology. At the end of the day he wanted Adrien to have a perfect life (however deluded that attempt was). His dying wish was for Adrien to be happy and not find out the monster that Gabriel was and only remember the good things. I believe this was the best choice because how happy could Adrien be knowing who his father really was? I mean you saw his reactions in Ephemeral and Cat Blanc. So ultimately while Gabriel was a monster, his sacrifice was noble considering how at the end he tried to make sure Adrien (the one he arguably hurt most) was happy.
Nice. I m happy to not to be alone in this thinking.
right because adrien finding out at a later date, when closure is no longer an option, is totally better, he'll totally take that in stride 🙄
this was the perfect chance for adrien to have some character growth, to show that he can overcome his negative emotions, like everyone else got a chance to this season. and the writers fucked it up so hard.
@@whitemoonwolf13 Hey I'm not disagreeing it's a bit of lazy writing but chill dude
@@Expyrial i am chill, sorry if my comment came across as not such. it is just unbelievably frustrating that ppl are using chat blanc and ephemeral as like, definitive points as to why adrien can never learn the truth, like the kid can't y'know, have some character growth and overcome some obstacles.
@@whitemoonwolf13 Thank Q and I think you have a fair point I even agree with you for the most part, but I like to view the series in a positive light despite it's obvious flaws. But your point is absolutely valid
I agree Gabriel’s “redemption “ arc was not satisfying in the least since it went with tired trope of redemption equals death. Sure I have seen the in my opinion the gold standard of positive change arcs (aka Avatar the last Airbender’s redemption arc for Prince Zuko so that for me sets a pretty high standard for a good redemption arc.
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I have to agree with you. I think this episode will seriously divide the fan-base. After 5 seasons Gabriel gets the wish - in other words the villain wins. It doesn't matter why he did it - he has - for an undetermined time in-universe - terrorized an entire city, caused a major international incident in Shang-hi, and almost started the Third World War. And now he wins. He gets exactly what he has wanted for the entire series.
Even if Adrien does get his mother back, we have no evidence either way that she is a better person than Gabriel. It is implied that she is, but there is no canon proof. Which adds another question: if Gabriel traded his life for his wife's, then who did he trade for Natalie's? Murder by magic.
Did it for love sounds nice, until your the one paying the price.
I honestly have his little theme song from when we had Hawkmoth, stuck in my head.
Imo, I see Gabriel as still an absolute plague, because after sacrificing himself (along with Chloe and Audrey being buried, leaving Andre happy again), Tomoe and Lila are still standing as loose ends, and they don’t deserve Jack after being his accomplices! Not to mention that Lila now has all the info about the miraculous! Ergo, the heroes would either need to be all Avengers and really be hardcore defenders against Lila (and future company), or maybe a crossover 🙏🏿
Miraculous Ladybug and Cat Noir/ The Avengers from Marvel Crossover.😂
Andre has no longer have a daughter or a wife anymore
Season 1: if you make the wish there will be major concequences that could destroy the world's reality
Season 5: there will be minor concequences now because the writers don't know what to do with it
You said it 💯% correct girl!!
Okay, with people debating whether it was Amelie or Emelie that is in the ending scene. I am most certain that it was Emelie. The image shown in 3:13 is the same grotto where Adrien and Marinette kissed. The new universe did not have Emelie's statue as there is no point for Gabriel to have one in her honor.
I think he wished somethin like "i wish the people who used the peacock miraculous will be healed" thats what i think..
omg! gabriel is a heartless man and at the end of 5 grueling seasons he's suddenly a hero? and why does marinette (and everyone) leave him in the dark about his father being hawkmoth, being a sentimonster, etc. so much for a main character.
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I also don't understand how the wish worked. Earlier seasons made it seem like the consequences of using the cat and ladybug miraculous together would be unpredictable. But Gabriel gets to choose what the consequence is? Also it hardly seems balanced to trade the life of someone who has hours to live for a whole healthy life. I feel like this episode was a lazy contradiction that invalidated the premise of the show
Am I the only one who doesn't think that Gabriel is actually gone?
He never actually said out loud what he wished for or the price he was willing to pay. Plus there was that ending scene at the end with Lila screaming as something appears after she puts on the butterfly Miraculous.
Maybe the price is for his ghost/soul to be connected to it for the rest of eternity in exchange for being seen as a hero by everyone.
This is just a theory though.
Am I the only one that remembers that "The wish doesn't fix something, it rewrites reality so it always was." So technically, the original reality was supposed to have been erased from existence. So technically, everyone in that reality is supposed to be dead! Like seriously WTF. I didn't think they'd actually make the wish happen! There were supposed to be TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES! That was the whole point of the wish! That was why the Cat and Ladybug were protected so fiercely! Those were the stakes of the whole show! And they just gloss over that?!
"If you want a garden of peas to be red, then strawberries will have to turn green." That's it?! That's the example you're going to give?! You are the god of reality! Why not warn Gabriel of the horrible consequences of your powers like "If you destroy a disease that kills thousands, a tsunami might appear to kill thousands." And why is Gimmi so nonchalant about humans forcing them to appear? Like this is a regular thing?! HOW MANY TIMES HAS REALITY BEEN RESET?! I'm so angry about this! What was the point of this show if there were no real consequences! They should've just handed over their miraculous to the villain if there was nothing wrong with it! What was the point?!
“So technically, everyone in that reality is supposed to be dead”
That’s just Star Trek transporter discourse all over again. In Star Trek, transporters disassemble you to the atomic level, and then reassemble you somewhere else. Were you briefly dead and quickly resurrected, or were you killed and replaced with a clone?
The answer is that it depends on your views about consciousness and identity, which at the moment is way more philosophy than science. Like, if the universe is completely destroyed and ship-of-Theseus’d into the new universe where Nathalie’s healthy and Gabriel’s about to die from using the broken Peacock miraculous, everyone else is still the same, if you think the second ship if the Ship of Theseus.
@@felipevasconcelos6736 That is a good point to make. But I feel as if the "it depends on your point of view" thing cheapens the whole finale. Once again, the wish was the stakes of the whole show. That was the entire plot. We have to stop the evil hawkmoth from making his wish, even if it is selfless in nature. But then the wish happens and... it's seen as a good thing? Gabriel is seen as a hero? Ugh, I just hate the whole idea of it. The whole show's story is made completely pointless because of the zero consequences to that ending. And the next big bad villain is going to be defeated in three seasons or less. I'm praying for the movie to be good.
@@charlottesweb5964 we’re not meant to see him as a hero. Everyone in Paris thinks that, but we know it’s a lie. We know that he wasn’t a hero, that he had a chance at redemption and chose not to take it.
And there weren’t zero consequences: Adrien is still in the dark, and now a lot of people know about that. Nathalie, Félix, Kagami, Marinette, Ladybug, Alya, Plagg and Su-Han all know that his father was a villain, and all of them let him believe he was a hero. The people he trusts the most are lying to his face. He’s going to find out eventually, and be devastated. Marinette’s unwillingness to hurt his feelings by telling him his father was a supervillain will end up hurting him much more.
@@felipevasconcelos6736 Yeah, I do agree that Adrien is going to be devastated. God, I hope he and Marinette won't break up. Realistically, that would be the case, but we waited five seasons for this B.S.
But besides that, I don't think Adrien not knowing is a consequence. Of course, it is awful, but that has nothing to do with Gabriel and the wish. That jerk literally got everything he wanted and more. There were no consequences for his actions in universe. He quite possibly destroyed the universe and then peaced out. I see no satisfaction in this arcs ending.
@@charlottesweb5964 he didn’t get what he wanted at all, Emilie is still dead. And even if you think the woman the camera briefly shows right after Félix is Emilie instead of Amélie (which makes little sense, but is technically possible), then he still didn’t get what he wants, because he’s not with her.
And about “destroying the universe”, he immediately had a replacement universe made, so it balances out. You could argue that in some way everyone died and the new universe is populated with clones of them, but physically speaking they’re the same people, so why does it matter?
2:54-Girl,loving someone doesn't just mean doing whatever she tells you to do.
Even if Emillie didn't want it,is objectively better for her to be brought back.
3:06-Is that a challenge?
I could never feel bad for Gabriel. His actions were just not justified and he never really seemed to care about anyone especially Adrien
great video
after everything that's happened, i think that in season 4 and 5 specifically, he just wanted to defeat ladybug and cat noir. maybe because they have beat him so many times and he wanted to see them powerless. it was never about emilie because like you said in season 5 ep 1, he chose to fight ladybug and cat noir when he clearly had the chance to save his wife. nathalie was right to be mad at him. in the season 5 finale, he literally uses the venom power (the bee miraculous) on marinette/ladybug and took the miraculous from her. even after watching that clip of emilie, he still makes the wish. i believe that he wanted to get her back because he was already in too deep. he knew that he was weak (like u said) and wanted a different universe. maybe he wanted a different universe because things were already complicated with him and adrien. maybe he wanted adrien to be happy, and not remember him as an evil person. now that a whole new universe was created, people remember has a hero and adrien thinks his dad was amazing. maybe that's what gabriel wanted? after he realized what he did, he wanted people to remember him as good. i don't think it was about emilie and nathalie coming back. it wasn't about love either. anyways sorry for this long thing i just wanted to share my thoughts! great video!!
I think Gabriel did want to bring Emily back when he went back in time but my personal theory is when he uses all the miraculous he becomes more diluted and crazy like what master fu said abt how if you use too many you’ll become crazy
Gabriel bought back emilie anyway when she told him not to but Gabriel is gone now so Emilie can’t get mad at him since he’s gone this time
If he had accepted Marinette’s proposal he could have gained access to the bunny miraculous again, I can definitely see her having Alix bring the flash drive back to past Gabe and Emilie
Like Natalie said, he, as hawkmoth was doing it for Emily, but him, as Monarch was doing it cause he's mad crazy
the fact that gabriel as monarch had many chances of saving his wife, but chose not to, really made me stop rooting for him.
I swear Gabriel had a shot to stay and save Emilie but i guess it was better for him to disappear given how crappy of a father he was
I think the wish has something to do with Lila as well considering the bright glow at the end of the episode coming out of nowhere. Gabriel was always selfish. Maybe he sent Lila a message and maybe now she's gonna try to bring him back.
This was sad Gabe dieing I’ll miss his failures 😢
HAHA
@@amokalert lol
He hurt random people, Nathalie, he hurt Adrien's friends, Adrien's gf and Adrien himself. Abused his power, influence and wealth. He planned out Adrien's life so he necer has time for himself, he never let him be himself, he wanted to force him into a relationship with a girl from good household instead of the poor baker girl (he himself was a poor designer, when Emily chose him). He locked his son and caused him to be brainwashed closed away in his deepest nightmares and then fantasies just to not think how much it hurts. With smile was telling his gf that he would happily use her life so save Emily. And he is the guy to get a statue...
It was a sacrifice because he killed himself to bring back natalie He got greedy. Here’s how I think it worked for other people, Gabriel was suddenly defeated by ladybug, Natalie was suddenly better. Respect has to be earned. After seeing the other comments, miraculous is underrated.
I don't know why this show acts like Gabriel cares and loves his son. When in season 1 (before his identity was revealed), he kept talking about wanting to take over the world as his motive, not to save someone. And episodes like Chat Blanc and Ephemeral, he was shown as a cruel and heartless monster after finding out his son is Chat Noir. And was easily going to destroy his son for his own benefit. And the times he was able to show that he cares about his son was only in two episodes. How is the show suppose to make us sympathize with him if he shows time and time again that he a psychopath?
The thing I found most stupid about the sacrifice was that GABRIEL GOT TO CHOOSE WHAT TO SACRIFICE. BECAUSE Gabriel got to choose, he could've picked Natalie or Marinette or anything ffs. Him being able to choose completely takes away the dire fear and consequences about the wish, that were heavily weighed on from season 1 to 5. "Something will have to be sacrificed!" Everyone panickedly screamed at him for 9 months straight. But it doesn't even matter because he clearly chose what to sacrifice before he decided to take on the role of Hawkmoth. It would've made so much more sense for the sacrifice to be ADRIEN by a higher being's volition.
In this way, Gabriel is faced with one of two situations:
- He says he wishes to bring back Emilie. The guardian says "as you wish," and he returns to a world with Emilie but now his son is in a coma. After a heartfelt goodbye, Emilie decides to wish to reverse Gabriel's wish, and goes back into a coma. Gabriel learns the importance of valuing his time with his son and the weight of his consequences, and gives up being Hawkmoth.
- Gabriel asks to bring back Emilie. The guardian tells him, "if you wish to do so, your sacrifice will be your son." He tries to bargain with the deity, since he really just wants his family to be together. He decides to try and wish to have his family together, but the deity tells him his family is already together, and shows a memory of him and his son. And after hesitation and stress, Gabriel makes the decision to leave Emily in a coma and have his son instead. He is broken hearted but understands it is what his wife would've wanted. This would've been an amazing character arc, because it is a very different decision to a flat character.
Ultimately I would've preferred an overall ending arc like the movie. He sees his son, feels remorse for his actions and gives up being hawkmoth. That is much more in character for Gabriel, since everything he does reflects his core value to reunite his family, but no.... the show literally makes Gabriel hit Adrien across Paris like a ping pong ball when he hypothetically finds out the truth... and leaves Chat Noir out of the final fight because Thomas Astruc is sexist... and lets Gabriel choose whatever he wants... the show is a fucking mess. Thomas always argues "it's for children!" But it would be better to teach children that "the time you have with the ones you love may be limited, but it is precious, and there are consequences to your actions." Instead of teaching them "As long as you sacrifice yourself after throwing a temper tantrum, you will be rewarded with what you desire :)"
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Marinette knows the monarch was Adrian’s father and the fact he told her not to tell his son about this he’s protecting his son from feeling grief
Agreed. I think his death was cowardly rather than heroic. Selfish. He could’ve saved his wife by going back to the past and never needing to get the cat or lady bug miraculous. He’s no hero at all.
It was comfirmed by the creators on wikipedia that Gabe saccrificed himself to save Natalie. And besides it would make zero sense to bring Emely back since everyone knows she is "dead" and Gabriel had only a few minutes to live so it was inpossible to be with Emely even if he did bring her back so it's the most logical thing to do.
Also it's agood thing Adrien wasn't there in the final fight because we all know what would happen if Adrien was there which was seen in Cat Blanc and Ephemeral.
Great viewpoint…I agree
I agree with you. He was power hungry and he didn't care about anyone. Even his own wife admitted that he was obsessed with the Miraculouses.
2:27 Did Emilie just admit that Adrian was a mistake? Woah!…..that is just some….dark and deep. Also I can’t wait to see Adrian’s reaction when he finds out the truth, and Marinette kept the whole thing just so she can have an imaginary perfect boyfriend.
Btw, the one near Nathalie is actually Emily. Idk where, but the Miraculous staff posted a picture with Emilie's bathing suit and it looked the same in the finale. So that is Emilie.
That and the script said so.
I think the reason is that Gabriel realized that he wasn’t going to be able to heal regardless what Marionette did because wouldn’t the butterflies fixed him back in the museum before he teleported away. But I still don’t think he did it for love though just that he knew he was gonna die anyway. He probably would’ve had wished that Marionette replaced Emile if Marionette didn’t showed him the video.
i see people saying “rip i feel bad,” etc. but like i’m so happy he is gone, and i hope that next season people find out that he is not a hero
villain don't deserve petty, at some point they made the conscious choice to declare humanity their enemy, whether humanity deserve it or not is a separate issue , because
only the ones that did not know or tried to help are innocent, everyone else that was indifferent or victimized him are quilty, yet if he went after both because of his indifference and selfishness then he deserves to be punish, also with the prices of saving something always comes a terrible sacrifice people have to pay to reset or restore things, in this case gabriel's death was the price. there is no free lunch in reality or should never be one in a quasi-reality/ fiction, life is not like that. also justice is fake, this people trying to restore the status quo without realizing they do more damage than restoration by pursuing it
Bravo. 👏 Exactly. Gabriel was not redeemed. And was a villain to the end.
What app did you use to watch the final episode
Guys what I he chose to bring Natalie back and the person who looked like Emily was her twin
i think that result that Gabriel created was done as a means of letting the truth come out to adrien in the future because there is 1 person who also knows what really went down at the agreste mansion: LILA: She arrives during the ladybug & monarch fight & when Gabriel is making his wish (& marinette is distracted by that) LILA manages to sneak down into the basement & find the butterfly miraculous & we can also assume that during that moment LILA also witnesses what goes on in that moment, & then she escapes after the wish is done cause marinette states that she searched as aquabug for the butterfly miraculous After the wish was made but could not find it, meaning that now LILA is 1 of only 3 people ( the other 2 being marinette/Ladybug & Emile) who knows the truth about monarchs last fight & lila will probably be the 1 who reveals the truth in the next season
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Sooooooooooooooooooo cool
What really peeves me is the fact that if making the wish works under “cause and effect” rules, then realistically his wish should have had monkey’s paw levels of consequences.
Gabe was dying, and you’re telling me that sacrificing his life (and lets be real the dude probably had like 30 minutes to live) was enough to not only bring back his deceased wife and ensure she had a long and happy life but also heal Natalie?
Come on.
I mean if that’s how it works why not just pawn the miraculous off to any terminal cancer patient with verifiably good intentions and let them become a martyr on the way out. Just hand baba the miraculous as she’s gasping for air so she can cure her grandson’s cancer or something.
If it worked like the show has insisted it works for the last five seasons, then wouldn’t Gabe’s life only be worth the amount of time he had left? Wouldn’t that be depressing? He resurrects Amelie and she just dies again after like 30 minutes?
I mean really the message Thomas Austruc seems to be sending here is “Just do whatever you want and force everyone else to clean up your messes, because so long as your motives are somewhat sympathetic it doesn’t matter how many people you screw over or how many lives you destroy. You just need to persevere and eventually you’ll get what you want and everyone will love you for it!” It’s like… nice dude… real nice. Great message for the kids.
God now that I think about it, does Thomas Austruc actually think like that? Is he just projecting onto Gabe? You know what, I’m not even going to get into that right now.
How I would describe Gabriel is in season 1 he was simply just trying to bring his wife back just indifferent to the pain he was causing all his happiness was because he was winning then he started to just enjoy being hawk moth in season 2 he was having so much fun being evil flat out stating he’s evil and proud of it and enjoying the fighting the pain he was causing and the evil that made him a cooler character like he’s a cool villan he’s still true to his goals Just having fun in the Side in season 3 he wants the dragon miraculous even though that’s not part of his goals in evolution I think some part of him just enjoyed being hawk moth so much that he didn’t wanna part with it
I wished that Gabriel would have come back in a way because... ok, part of me is glad that he won, but another part of me feels like that was too easy of an ending for him, so I would like it if he came back. But that is never going to happen.
Also, I think that it would have been really cool if Gabriel lost everything and became this Lex Luthor type of villain in Miraculous where he is on some, "If I couldn't defeat Ladybug as Hawkmoth or Monarch, then I will defeat Ladybug as Gabriel Agrest!" Type of stuff. And Gabriel uses his wealth, connections, and influence to his advantage, like maybe he becomes mayor, or governor, or even president, and he wages a one-man-war against all of the miraculous holders in the world like he takes away funding and resources for businesses making the businesses suffer, and taking away their homes, and messing with the school system so the kids can't go to college and he just destroys their futures and livelihoods, like he buys over Marinette's parents' bakery, he kicks them out, and he sets it on fire to where Marinette's family loses everything and they never recover, and he just does more damage as Gabriel than he ever did as Hawkmoth or Monarch proving that without any miraculous Gabriel is still powerful in his own right. That is what I wish would happen, but that is never going to happen.
actually people often think that he does it for power hunger but he actually followed them because he thought they were gonna ruin him by going back to heroes day (i think thas what its called) and catching him after he detransformed
I feel like it needs to be discussed more often how Thomas Astruc is absolutely horrible at writing abusive parents.
He treats the subject so poorly, especially with Adrien and Chloe.
Chloe's mother is a verbally abusive and emotionally absent wench, and her father is a stupid, enabling coward with no backbone to talk back to his wife or properly raise his daughter, yet her father not only gets painted as a "good father" just because her mother is worse, but it even feels like he's getting rewarded for being a negligent, enabling sap towards Chloe by being given a "nicer" daughter like Zoe. That paired with the fact that it appears the season ended with Chloe being pushed off to go live with her mother, who is literally one of the main roots of her problems, the show essentially damned an abused child for being an abused child.
Gabriel has neglected Adrien, is cruel and cold towards Adrien, has isolated Adrien on multiple occasions on purpose, and has invoked physical harm against Adrien, even after knowing that Adrien is Chat Noir. (Cough, Chat Blanc in which immediately after finding out Adrien is Chat Noir, Gabriel literally throws him into the Eiffel Tower, cough)
Does Gabriel ever get any sort of punishment or commupence for what was probably years worth of emotional, mental and psychological abuse and neglect? Nope! And just like Chloe's father, he is instead rewarded by getting his happy ending while being remembered as though he was this amazing guy and not a legitimate terrorist, and an absolutely horrible father to his son.
I honestly hope to whatever gods may exist that Thomas never has children if this is how he depicts parental abuse.
Which region does it aired the episode its not on disney channel
as weird as this sounds, i'm convinced that gabriel was supposed to lose way back in heroes day, and nathalie saving him unlocked a new timeline or something. as consequence, now that gabriel is dead (when he was never meant to be) the universe is like... trying to balance itself
To me the ending makes no sense.Like if nothing bad happened after using the whish then why didnt Adrien and Marinette just gave their miraculouses to him.Like bc of this there was no point in even fighting for keeping him away from pagg and tikki
WRITERS Seasons 1-5.9: Making the wish is the worst case scenario and the end of the world!
WRITERS in the finale: Well, actually it would make the world a better place
Let's not forget how most villains are seen as heroes these days.
but still no more hungry gab 😢 that face that love no more!!!!😢