@@alabamaal225 Neither were the Irish actions that caused them NOR the Scotish invasion of England either England was being threaten by Catholic europe, Backstabbers couldn't be allowed
@@farmerned6 You could litterally write the same thing about Napoleon, France was being threaten by monarchies across Europe, democracy couldn't be allowed, he had to become an Emperor. What one wouldn't excuse in the name of their beloved country!😁
@@CHALETARCADE # Hardly Boney accepted an Emperors lauels, and tried to conquer europe, russia and egypt, buying "honour" with victorys paid with blood Cromwell refused the Crown and the title of King, and tried repeatedly to forge a working peoples Parliment Bonely was a backline pounder, Cromwell Lead
He also has an inconsistent accent. His accent becomes notably more Scottish when he's angry, but when talking normally he has only the slightest Scottish touch to his voice. It's brilliant.
@@Samuel-wm1xrhow so lol? In the UK the King is completely separate from the government in every way but name, they can’t use prerogative powers unless the overwhelming majority of people support their measures. If the British people wanted they could overthrow the crown in a second, but why? They would lose much more than they would gain and would cause social unrest since the crown is what holds the government/state/people together as one. The tax paid to the crown is so immensely small and in return they get greater international influence with the King&Commonwealth which they need for trade, especially as they are outside EU now. they were actually pretty smart in retrospect by keeping a king for show, although it does sound awfully close to a gilded cage scenario.
Their discussion actually reflects two competing political theories at the time. King Charles has a French view of the monarchy, as being the source of all power. Cromwell is talking about a Constitutional monarchy, in which the king is first in power, but not all powerful. After a few decades of strife, Cromwell's vision was adopted with the Glorious Revolution, and then continued when the Hanoverian kings had to live with limits on their power, and ever more influential Prime Ministers.
I think Charles' understanding of the English monarchy was entirely consistent with the principles of what had been a very powerful monarchy, unlike the French which had only over the course of the previous century become so centralised.
What is being offered to the King here is the Heads of Proposals, considered the most generous terms for Charles and most of his advisers urged him to accept them. His father (James 1) would have done so.
Harris and Guinness go together like Harris and Guinness :) Harris sacrificed a promising singing career on the back of Macarthur Park to prepare for this role (altered his voice significantly). A proud Irishman playing Cromwell in a rather sympathetic portrayal, that was a brave role for an Irishman to take on. Two one-offs thankfully preserved on screen forever.
@@mn5499- When "not tenable" translates as "having your head chopped off", you've made a seriously delusional miscalculation about the lay of the land. Charles was in denial that he was even being tried, when it should have been obvious that no one was bothering going through the exercise on any assumption that he was somehow inherently innocent because of either his title or philosophy.
@@Malt454 I disagree with the word delusional, because its plain wrong, there were many rulers say for example in France and across the world that were acting as absolute monarchs even after the time of Charles the first. So its certainly not delusional to think that at the time. Charles the first made mistakes that pressed others to take action against him which made his position untenable. The republican project failed and then comes in Charles the 2nd the merry monarch.
@@mn5499 - Believing that what other people thought of the theory of Divine Right somehow mattered when Charles I was in the dock on trial for his life is a good example of delusion, as is questioning the legitimacy of the court TO the court. The loss of the Civil War should have been a good indication that Charles' views on the monarchy were no longer strongly in vogue at the time. I guess if God had ever wanted Charles to be king, He must have changed His mind.
If you look at the "Heads of the Proposals" given to the King by Cromwell and his supporters, the main proposals are very reasonable. 1. Royalists had to wait five years before running for or holding an office. 2. The Book of Common Prayer was allowed to be read but not mandatory, and no penalties should be made for not going to church or attending other acts of worship. 3. The sitting parliament was to set a date for its own termination. Thereafter, biennial Parliaments were to be called (i.e., every two years), which would sit for a minimum of 120 days and a maximum of 240 days. Constituencies were to be reorganized. 4. Episcopacy would be retained in church government, but the power of the bishops would be substantially reduced. 5. Parliament was to control the appointment of state officials and officers in the army and navy for 10 years.
This movie is actually really good. I know it’s a bit of harmless fun, but constantly making Obi Wan and Dumbledore jokes seems kinda insulting to the amount of effort these actors put into their roles.
Sir Alec Guinness would've absolutely hated it. He had a bit of a love-hate relationship with Star Wars, but was always adamant that he'd played far better roles than Obi Wan. I think he hated that a role in a pulpy sci-fi blockbuster outshone all his other work in more "serious" productions. He was perhaps a little bit snobbish about it, but I totally get where he was coming from.
@@alabamaal225 exactly! He even went through the effort of working in a stutter and spoke with a slight Scottish accent during his brief moment of anger.
If you ever wondered how this ended it goes like this: After king Charles refused the deal, he went into hiding on some Godforsaken sand planet and took the name Ben. But, as he felt the urge to help the young boy Richard, he invaded the Death-to-Irish Star and faced the Darth Lord Protector in a single combat. Ben, that is Charles, was defeated, but as Darth Lord Protector struck him down he became more powerful than the Darth could possibly imagine. Eventually returning as the Royal Force ghost, he revealed to the young Richard that the Darth Lord Protector is actually his father Oliver Cromwell and that he, Richard Cromwell must become the new Lord Protector (but not the Darth one, since it's you know.....evil).
You left the part out that Sir Oliver studied the arts of Merlin and joined the order of wizards 🧙♂️ somewhere in Scotland.. there he continued his lifelong passion for civil rights and confronted a friend by the name of Grindelwald.. at the twilight of his career he mentored a young Rizzard named Harry…. (Another story)
I have this marvelous film on DVD After I had seen this on Turner Classic Movies TCM. Such superb acting in this film. And the costumes simply excellent. Love this ❤❤❤❤
oh dear, we do like fighting each other, I hope memory serves that together we achieved a fair bit, Tribal rivalries are always there, but with humour and a sense of common destiny, these small islands, can create great things.
I control the military, i can instill a government overnight.! Truer words never spoken. He may be king, but if his military abandons him, who is he, if he does not lead?
he was great, he helped civilise our barbaric land and, while i am atheist and do not support religious governance, he did at least shift the power away from the catholic church in favour of a more politics first, religion second republic.
@@Oran_Fitz The Catholic Church civilized Europe after the end of the Roman empire. They were the foundation that provided stability until the Renaissance. Thank you Jesus for the Catholic Church, your church, that will exist until the final coming. My prayers are for atheists in hope they see the light.
Charles I was nothing of the sort. Alec Guiness was a magnificent actor but his portrayal of Charles was nothing short of Royal propaganda. In reality, Charles I was vain, adulterous, rather cruel and a thief. He was far from a noble individual but instead your average European monarch desperate to gain absolute power
Charles I kind of forced Cromwell's hand Cromwell was definitely not thrilled to execute a king considering the time period and potential backlash around rest of europe
On Monday, 10 September 1649, Cromwell had a letter delivered to Sir Arthur Aston, which read: "Sir, having brought the army of the Parliament of England before this place, to reduce it to obedience, *to the end that the effusion of blood may be prevented*, I thought fit to summon you to deliver the same into my hands to their use. *If this be refused, you will have no cause to blame me.* I expect your answer and remain your servant, - O. Cromwell" The contemporary laws of war were clear; if surrender was refused and a garrison was taken by assault, then its defenders could lawfully be killed. Such things didn't just happen in Ireland, it happened all over England and the rest of Europe. So while your mileage may vary, it sounds to me Aston was a dopey cunt and got all the innocent people of Drogheda killed, *not Cromwell* contrary to popular romantic Irish mythology. Still, its 372 years ago and everybody should just fucking get over it. Peace. :-)
I do wonder, and I’m not so pedantic to consider this a mistake just a conversation point, if a visitor would be allowed to rest his hand on his sword pommel like this in the presence of the essentially unguarded king.
At that point, the king had essentially lost the civil war, and Cromwell held the greater military power. had he wanted the king dead he wouldn't have dropped by to visit with just one friend.
Both sides lost. 1. King's Charles' pride and arrogance that he can commit any crime and get away with only because he was "ordained by God" and therefore can only "answer to God." 2. The Honorable Oliver Cromwell angrily and impetuously acted against the King and the Commons to retain power and forcing Honorable gentlemen to sign the beheading.
Not that I'm questioning Cromwell's political skills and effectivenes as military leader, but Charles I was kinda joke as opponent. I mean, he literally would rather die than share the power, even after it was obvious the he can't be absolute monarch.
Some intellectual discourse here, which is nice to read. However we must be mindful that were are discussing the acts and motivations of people who lived in a very different world to our own, and therefore not be quick to judge and condemn. Society changes and moreover continues to, my own beliefs and opinions certainly have over the last few months in particular.
Thank you for your good sense. Most comments on here are irrelevant! They all want to impose our beliefs and motivations on that time. This is a stupid thing to do. They were people stumbling along, often making things up as they fumbled - but we often think of them as decisive . The period has roots that go way back and this adds to our confusion and added to theirs. They created a giant pudding of an idea and sections of the rising classes wanted it to work. We are now going through the same thing with mumbo-jumbo like Net Zero - though I think the loony ideas of the old religious fanatics will prove more useful than our contemporary fanatics.
“An England without a King is unthinkable” Curious if any British in the comments still feel the same way? Edit: this not a personal wish of mine (love you Queenie), I’m American and don’t know what the general feeling of the British public views of the monarchy are these days.
Well your presidents are using executive power like kings 😉 I wouldn’t get to smug if I were you I’m with Orwell ref the crown and constitutional monarchy Unfortunately the progressive politics emanating from your country are undermining that as much as there undermining your nation. The Great War and Vietnam did huge damage to our nations as has unrestrained progressive materialism
@@seanmoran6510 I wasn’t being smug, I only wanted to know if most British people think the monarchy is still worth keeping around. Never claimed to sympathize with Cromwells views, guy was a nut. This has nothing to do with politics (least of all American politics) but about preserving heritage
It would certainly seem weird for a time, but I'm sure we'd get over it eventually. Of course there would always be a Royalist faction, and like what happened in Russia and China, we might end up with a King by another name.
@@asdf33395 you'd be surprised by how some people take heritage really seriously. History is never forgotten and should never be forgotten, so I'm sure it was quite the challenge for Richard Harris
Richard Harris was actually very adamant about playing the role BECAUSE he was Irish. Harris believed Cromwell was misrepresented by history and post-humous depictions, and that simply throwing all the blame at Cromwell was very ignorant. Harris was spot on after all, it was the Covenanters who ravaged Ireland much more brutally than the New Model Army, and one cannot forget the fact that the Royalists used Ireland as a base of operations in a war that did nothing for the interests of Irish people.
Charles I did not want to hand over the rings so as not to lose his fingers he ended up losing his "head" in this fight. Interesting to see that in England power was being transferred to parliament in a more natural way, although not without blood, as there was not such an absolute nobility; in France, on the other hand, a festival of rolling heads was necessary, among them that of the chemist Lavoisier, such was the concentration of power in the hands of the nobility and a greater prevailing social injustice.
Lavoisier was aguably the greatest chemist that ever existed, what a blunder that was! And by the way, how many great scientists, or potential great scientists perished during the Terror? Nobody knows, but probably more than a few...😔
I see why Alec Guinness hated his role as Obi-Wan Kenobi. This acting and delivery is near poetry and should be remembered.
And I see why he was so poor before doing Star Wars
I don’t think he rated this movie all that highly either.. he much preferred his earlier roles in the 1940s and 50s
@@derrickstorm6976star wars sucks lol
@@OrbowitzTake that back!
@@olympia5758 no lol
"England without a king is unthinkable". Said Olivier Cromwell.
Even if the King was Scottish.
He does not mean King in a literal sense. He just means a strong head of state
@@Trebor74The crowns were united in 1603.
@@rumeunner3245however there wasn't a union until the tender of Union
Charles was a fool.
And then they restored the monarchy, became best friends and never lost their heads. The end.
What a plot twist😂🤣
Yeah! Sadly, Cromwell was dug up and his corpse tortured. Who would agree to this idea?
@@sgtbuckwheat wait what 😳
@@Brvnkaerv Nothing sad about it. Well deserved desecration of his remains
About as helpful as divorce counseling
I've often thought about the irony of Richard Harris, an Irishman, in the role of Oliver Cromwell.
The role paid well. And you will note that Cromwell's actions in Ireland was never mentioned in the movie.
@@alabamaal225
Neither were the Irish actions that caused them
NOR the Scotish invasion of England either
England was being threaten by Catholic europe, Backstabbers couldn't be allowed
@@farmerned6 You could litterally write the same thing about Napoleon, France was being threaten by monarchies across Europe, democracy couldn't be allowed, he had to become an Emperor. What one wouldn't excuse in the name of their beloved country!😁
@@CHALETARCADE #
Hardly
Boney accepted an Emperors lauels, and tried to conquer europe, russia and egypt, buying "honour" with victorys paid with blood
Cromwell refused the Crown and the title of King, and tried repeatedly to forge a working peoples Parliment
Bonely was a backline pounder, Cromwell Lead
We are all Aryan
The fact that Guinness stammered some of his lines, means he understood Charles 1 and how to play him.
He also has an inconsistent accent. His accent becomes notably more Scottish when he's angry, but when talking normally he has only the slightest Scottish touch to his voice. It's brilliant.
That’s just Guinness’ accent. Charles I was born in Scotland but didn’t live there beyond infancy. Guinness himself was English.
"You may strike me down, Cromwell, but I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
lmao
And he did in the end
Holy crap, you're right.
"There is another....in France."
"The son of Stuart must not become a king."
Fun fact Alec Guinness actually wished he never played Obi-Wan because people only remembered him for Star Wars when he had so many great roles
@@phillipmorel5116 I had heard that. Which is funny when so many actors peak and then take unremembered bit roles as they get older.
Alec Guinnes is truly one of the greatest actors in history. Its a shame most people only know of him because of Star Wars.
I've always thought his best role was as Prince Faisal in Lawrence of Arabia
The bridge on the river Kwai, Murder by death, Caesar and Cleopatra
The Lady Killers.
@@mr.perceval6811 While we’re on Ealing, let’s add eight roles in Kind Hearts and Coronets.
Smiley
"Not by fear but by the affection of a free people." Damn. That hit.
literal propaganda haha
@@Samuel-wm1xrhow so lol? In the UK the King is completely separate from the government in every way but name, they can’t use prerogative powers unless the overwhelming majority of people support their measures. If the British people wanted they could overthrow the crown in a second, but why? They would lose much more than they would gain and would cause social unrest since the crown is what holds the government/state/people together as one. The tax paid to the crown is so immensely small and in return they get greater international influence with the King&Commonwealth which they need for trade, especially as they are outside EU now. they were actually pretty smart in retrospect by keeping a king for show, although it does sound awfully close to a gilded cage scenario.
@@Samuel-wm1xr
How so?
Superb acting by top notch actors.
Too bad the script is so full of historical holes...
Unlike today boring actors and boring scripts.
How? It's just Englishmen being English.
@@xgetxsickx Richard Harris is Irish pal
Their discussion actually reflects two competing political theories at the time. King Charles has a French view of the monarchy, as being the source of all power. Cromwell is talking about a Constitutional monarchy, in which the king is first in power, but not all powerful. After a few decades of strife, Cromwell's vision was adopted with the Glorious Revolution, and then continued when the Hanoverian kings had to live with limits on their power, and ever more influential Prime Ministers.
A great observation, well put!
Good summation of their cover stories. It was more of a naive king vs. Money.
Are you merely a Bored Lawyer or more pertinently..An interestingly well versed Historian?
So speaks Captain Obvious
I think Charles' understanding of the English monarchy was entirely consistent with the principles of what had been a very powerful monarchy, unlike the French which had only over the course of the previous century become so centralised.
"I am not bound to negotiate with anyone, with 50 thousand men under my command I could impose a government on this nation overnight"
And you wonder how he possibly could have lost his head 😂
And that was the day the King lost the high ground.
Nice. I see what you did there.
What is being offered to the King here is the Heads of Proposals, considered the most generous terms for Charles and most of his advisers urged him to accept them. His father (James 1) would have done so.
Amazing acting.
So much underhanded subtlety, pointing to what history tells us about their ambitions.
0:14, for a moment there I thought the Star Wars "Force" theme was going to play lol
Was gonna comment on that too!
Such a blue balls moment 😂 good catch
Cromwell Skywalker
@@adamrules01 more like Darth Cromwell
😂😂😂😂 same here
Harris and Guinness go together like Harris and Guinness :) Harris sacrificed a promising singing career on the back of Macarthur Park to prepare for this role (altered his voice significantly). A proud Irishman playing Cromwell in a rather sympathetic portrayal, that was a brave role for an Irishman to take on. Two one-offs thankfully preserved on screen forever.
Charles I actually did have a slight stutter and Alec Guinness even does that.
Awwww Charles, you blew it 😪
You can see the look on the man with the king. He realized the king was actually the one in the wrong, beyond reason. Great acting from everyone here.
“That wasn’t part of the deal.”
“I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it any further.” 😎
Dumbledor vs Obi Wan
Bruh...
@King of All Buttocks Seriously?!
You're not that dumb.
@King of All Buttocks LOTR reference ? There is no Leonard nemoy.
@King of All Buttocks embarrassing of u
If you strike me down, Cromwell, I shall become more powerful than you can know.
These are not the proposals we're looking for!
Both actors played Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius
Good old days...
Difficult to say whether such a conversation took place
However that's movie making
Dialogue liberties!
I believe something like it did happen. Though whether that is word for word is in doubt.
And thats when he lost his crown
Shortly after... he was put on trial at Westminster first.. then his body lost its head.
This makes Oliver Cromwell look far more reasonable that what he actually was.
Maybe, but Charles I rejected a good deal of reality himself... to predictable results.
@@Malt454 I don't think he rejected reality, Charles the 1st simply stood on a political position that was not a tenable as he thought it was.
@@mn5499- When "not tenable" translates as "having your head chopped off", you've made a seriously delusional miscalculation about the lay of the land. Charles was in denial that he was even being tried, when it should have been obvious that no one was bothering going through the exercise on any assumption that he was somehow inherently innocent because of either his title or philosophy.
@@Malt454 I disagree with the word delusional, because its plain wrong, there were many rulers say for example in France and across the world that were acting as absolute monarchs even after the time of Charles the first. So its certainly not delusional to think that at the time. Charles the first made mistakes that pressed others to take action against him which made his position untenable. The republican project failed and then comes in Charles the 2nd the merry monarch.
@@mn5499 - Believing that what other people thought of the theory of Divine Right somehow mattered when Charles I was in the dock on trial for his life is a good example of delusion, as is questioning the legitimacy of the court TO the court. The loss of the Civil War should have been a good indication that Charles' views on the monarchy were no longer strongly in vogue at the time. I guess if God had ever wanted Charles to be king, He must have changed His mind.
Charlie’s really dropped the ball here..all he had to do as just alter his power a bit and he’d keep his head
If you look at the "Heads of the Proposals" given to the King by Cromwell and his supporters, the main proposals are very reasonable.
1. Royalists had to wait five years before running for or holding an office.
2. The Book of Common Prayer was allowed to be read but not mandatory, and no penalties should be made for not going to church or attending other acts of worship.
3. The sitting parliament was to set a date for its own termination. Thereafter, biennial Parliaments were to be called (i.e., every two years), which would sit for a minimum of 120 days and a maximum of 240 days. Constituencies were to be reorganized.
4. Episcopacy would be retained in church government, but the power of the bishops would be substantially reduced.
5. Parliament was to control the appointment of state officials and officers in the army and navy for 10 years.
World class bumbler that guy.
This movie is actually really good. I know it’s a bit of harmless fun, but constantly making Obi Wan and Dumbledore jokes seems kinda insulting to the amount of effort these actors put into their roles.
It’s sucks to have an iconic role that people identify you with
Sir Alec Guinness would've absolutely hated it. He had a bit of a love-hate relationship with Star Wars, but was always adamant that he'd played far better roles than Obi Wan. I think he hated that a role in a pulpy sci-fi blockbuster outshone all his other work in more "serious" productions. He was perhaps a little bit snobbish about it, but I totally get where he was coming from.
It is hard to imagine any other actor than Alec Guinness playing the role of King Charles I as effectively.
I'll always remember Richard Harris as Augustus, Emperor of Rome
@@alabamaal225 exactly! He even went through the effort of working in a stutter and spoke with a slight Scottish accent during his brief moment of anger.
If you ever wondered how this ended it goes like this: After king Charles refused the deal, he went into hiding on some Godforsaken sand planet and took the name Ben. But, as he felt the urge to help the young boy Richard, he invaded the Death-to-Irish Star and faced the Darth Lord Protector in a single combat. Ben, that is Charles, was defeated, but as Darth Lord Protector struck him down he became more powerful than the Darth could possibly imagine. Eventually returning as the Royal Force ghost, he revealed to the young Richard that the Darth Lord Protector is actually his father Oliver Cromwell and that he, Richard Cromwell must become the new Lord Protector (but not the Darth one, since it's you know.....evil).
Hang on both of them should have their iconic characters and not Alec Guinness what about Oliver Cromwell change his name to Albus Dumbledore
You left the part out that Sir Oliver studied the arts of Merlin and joined the order of wizards 🧙♂️ somewhere in Scotland.. there he continued his lifelong passion for civil rights and confronted a friend by the name of Grindelwald.. at the twilight of his career he mentored a young Rizzard named Harry…. (Another story)
I have this marvelous film on DVD After I had seen this on Turner Classic Movies TCM. Such superb acting in this film. And the costumes simply excellent. Love this ❤❤❤❤
And his head apparently...
Historically accurate: Charles I was stupidly steadfast!
I see Obi Wan finally got to meet Dumbledore.
"Use the Force, Harry" - Gandalf
0:14 I hate that it sounds like the opening notes to the Force theme to me lmao
oh dear, we do like fighting each other, I hope memory serves that together we achieved a fair bit, Tribal rivalries are always there, but with humour and a sense of common destiny, these small islands, can create great things.
00:14 sounds like Star Wars for 3 sec
The Force and Magic having an agreement 😂
An England without a king is unthinkable.
i love this scene one of my favorites in this film
The fashion of this period was interesting
Me thinks Obi Wan lost the high ground in this one
I control the military, i can instill a government overnight.!
Truer words never spoken. He may be king, but if his military abandons him, who is he, if he does not lead?
*Alternate film ending but it's just this scene perfectly as is except the credits roll a half-second after Guinness says "A cunning fellow."*
Their future relations were less than amicable.
Might have been alright, if Charles didn't lose his head over the whole thing...
Ask the Irish what they think of Cromwell.
he was great, he helped civilise our barbaric land and, while i am atheist and do not support religious governance, he did at least shift the power away from the catholic church in favour of a more politics first, religion second republic.
@@Oran_Fitz The Catholic Church civilized Europe after the end of the Roman empire. They were the foundation that provided stability until the Renaissance. Thank you Jesus for the Catholic Church, your church, that will exist until the final coming. My prayers are for atheists in hope they see the light.
Obi Wan and Dumbledore
Xavier's school has a lot of history I see
Nicol Williamson (Excalibur) should have played Obi-Wan Kenobi.
watched this film in school
"whatever these proposals may be, they are not acceptable to the King"
Obi Wan was determined to become one with the Force LOL
Dumbledore vs Obi Wan
I haven't gone by the name of Charles I since...oh...before you were born.
(:58) Check out the anachronistic white metal door and window frames behind Cromwell!😅
Oliver, i am your father.
use the force mr Cromwell.
Charles I was a noble individual, but an inept ruler. Cromwell was a competent ruler, but a terrible human being.
Charles I was nothing of the sort. Alec Guiness was a magnificent actor but his portrayal of Charles was nothing short of Royal propaganda. In reality, Charles I was vain, adulterous, rather cruel and a thief. He was far from a noble individual but instead your average European monarch desperate to gain absolute power
Charles I kind of forced Cromwell's hand
Cromwell was definitely not thrilled to execute a king considering the time period and potential backlash around rest of europe
I need a fanfiction of these two making out.
Or worse: bustin' cheeks
Αll i see is Obi-Wan confronting Dumbledore..
That Cromwell wishes a rule not through fear is ironic considering what he did at Drogheda, and what he lined the roads back to towns with.
On Monday, 10 September 1649, Cromwell had a letter delivered to Sir Arthur Aston, which read:
"Sir, having brought the army of the Parliament of England before this place, to reduce it to obedience, *to the end that the effusion of blood may be prevented*, I thought fit to summon you to deliver the same into my hands to their use. *If this be refused, you will have no cause to blame me.* I expect your answer and remain your servant,
- O. Cromwell"
The contemporary laws of war were clear; if surrender was refused and a garrison was taken by assault, then its defenders could lawfully be killed. Such things didn't just happen in Ireland, it happened all over England and the rest of Europe.
So while your mileage may vary, it sounds to me Aston was a dopey cunt and got all the innocent people of Drogheda killed, *not Cromwell* contrary to popular romantic Irish mythology. Still, its 372 years ago and everybody should just fucking get over it. Peace. :-)
@@mr31337yeah OP is just spewing royalist propaganda
watching this i cant help but wonder what george smiley and peter guillam are actually up to....
A cunning fellow and a good friend.
The best Starhorse Rider in all of Christendome
“Lord Protector is but another name for King, and you're a cruel one.”
How did they not laugh at one another
I do wonder, and I’m not so pedantic to consider this a mistake just a conversation point, if a visitor would be allowed to rest his hand on his sword pommel like this in the presence of the essentially unguarded king.
At that point, the king had essentially lost the civil war, and Cromwell held the greater military power. had he wanted the king dead he wouldn't have dropped by to visit with just one friend.
Charles I beheaded his son restored to the throne as Charles II.
To all you Yanks out there, they’re Obi-Wan Kenobe and Albus Dumbledore as young men in 17th Century England 😂
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a surprise to be sure but a welcome one
When the war criminal Cromwell died it is said there wasn’t a full bottle of alcohol in the country the next day.
The audacity of Cromwell
Dumbledore asked calmly
@@proudblack9453 I mean, he was. That's Richard Harris as Cromwell. He played Dumbledore in the first two movies before he passed away.
Normie
@Ethan S wrong Dumbledore.
Oh wow all the comments are from the past day or 2. Hi folks
It’s all fun and games until cromwell killed the king
Both sides lost.
1. King's Charles' pride and arrogance that he can commit any crime and get away with only because he was "ordained by God" and therefore can only "answer to God."
2. The Honorable Oliver Cromwell angrily and impetuously acted against the King and the Commons to retain power and forcing Honorable gentlemen to sign the beheading.
Charles Also lost his head so.
Oliver Cromwell is actually my 9th great grandfather
“A cunning fellow… from a certain point of view”
A tyrant for a tyrant.
Ah yes, one of the most tense and dramatic scenes in Kenobi vs. Dumbledore.
Still confused as to why Obi Wan and Phil Collins are at conflict.
I'd trust Charlie about as far as I could throw him
King Charles III is a direct descendant of King Charles I sister Elisabeth.
Are those buildings historically accurate?
I felt the sexual tension.
Not that I'm questioning Cromwell's political skills and effectivenes as military leader, but Charles I was kinda joke as opponent. I mean, he literally would rather die than share the power, even after it was obvious the he can't be absolute monarch.
Some intellectual discourse here, which is nice to read. However we must be mindful that were are discussing the acts and motivations of people who lived in a very different world to our own, and therefore not be quick to judge and condemn. Society changes and moreover continues to, my own beliefs and opinions certainly have over the last few months in particular.
Thank you for your good sense. Most comments on here are irrelevant! They all want to impose our beliefs and motivations on that time. This is a stupid thing to do. They were people stumbling along, often making things up as they fumbled - but we often think of them as decisive .
The period has roots that go way back and this adds to our confusion and added to theirs. They created a giant pudding of an idea and sections of the rising classes wanted it to work. We are now going through the same thing with mumbo-jumbo like Net Zero - though I think the loony ideas of the old religious fanatics will prove more useful than our contemporary fanatics.
Is the guy with the stache supposed to be the Duke of Hamilton?
So the King made himself unacceptable.
Cromwell: Greetings my Lord.
Charles: Hello there.
Dumbledore 1, Obi Wan 0
You can’t win, Dumbledore. Strike me down, and I’ll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
Wait…Sulla Cromwell King Arthur played Dumbledore?!?!?!
Whoa. I never would have known. Which one? The first?
theoutlook55 yes. The first Dumbledore.
“An England without a King is unthinkable”
Curious if any British in the comments still feel the same way?
Edit: this not a personal wish of mine (love you Queenie), I’m American and don’t know what the general feeling of the British public views of the monarchy are these days.
@DriftZ TwoSeven WTF are you talking about?
Well your presidents are using executive power like kings 😉
I wouldn’t get to smug if I were you
I’m with Orwell ref the crown and constitutional monarchy
Unfortunately the progressive politics emanating from your country are undermining that as much as there undermining your nation.
The Great War and Vietnam did huge damage to our nations as has unrestrained progressive materialism
@@seanmoran6510 I wasn’t being smug, I only wanted to know if most British people think the monarchy is still worth keeping around. Never claimed to sympathize with Cromwells views, guy was a nut. This has nothing to do with politics (least of all American politics) but about preserving heritage
It would certainly seem weird for a time, but I'm sure we'd get over it eventually. Of course there would always be a Royalist faction, and like what happened in Russia and China, we might end up with a King by another name.
Absolutely
I can't be the only one thinking the king is the good guy in the movie...Cromwell is nothing but bad vibes the whole movie
What movie is this?
It's called 'Cromwell' (1970).
It's called Boys in the Hood
How hard must it have been for an Irishman to play Cromwell considering what he did to the Irish
it was 350 years ago, I don't think it weighed too heavily on him
Then you don’t know the Irish
@@asdf33395 you'd be surprised by how some people take heritage really seriously. History is never forgotten and should never be forgotten, so I'm sure it was quite the challenge for Richard Harris
Richard Harris was actually very adamant about playing the role BECAUSE he was Irish. Harris believed Cromwell was misrepresented by history and post-humous depictions, and that simply throwing all the blame at Cromwell was very ignorant. Harris was spot on after all, it was the Covenanters who ravaged Ireland much more brutally than the New Model Army, and one cannot forget the fact that the Royalists used Ireland as a base of operations in a war that did nothing for the interests of Irish people.
@@deaconstjohn4842 Snowflake
this movie ignores the slaughter of 33% of the irish population and the abject cruelty cromwell put on ireland
Charles I did not want to hand over the rings so as not to lose his fingers he ended up losing his "head" in this fight. Interesting to see that in England power was being transferred to parliament in a more natural way, although not without blood, as there was not such an absolute nobility; in France, on the other hand, a festival of rolling heads was necessary, among them that of the chemist Lavoisier, such was the concentration of power in the hands of the nobility and a greater prevailing social injustice.
Lavoisier was aguably the greatest chemist that ever existed, what a blunder that was! And by the way, how many great scientists, or potential great scientists perished during the Terror? Nobody knows, but probably more than a few...😔
King Charles was such a fool.
A military dictatorship in search of a constitution.