How paranoia is creeping into the Ferrari vs Red Bull 2022 F1 rivalry

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  • čas přidán 27. 03. 2024
  • The first hints of a conflict between Formula 1 title rivals Ferrari and Red Bull have emerged after an amicable start to their title battle.
    Ferrari team boss Mattia Binotto has finally publicly aired a private concern that he will “not understand” if Red Bull is available to keep developing its car all season after so many upgrades at the start of the year.
    Red Bull hasn’t exactly been focused entirely on itself either, as its own suspicions were aroused over Ferrari’s actions at a recent tyre test.
    This title battle has taken place exclusively on-tracks so far, between Charles Leclerc and Max Verstappen. But that’s rarely sustainable in F1 and now we have the first signs of growing tension.
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  • @Mi-Chis
    @Mi-Chis Před rokem +1139

    So Binotto said (1:47) he doesn’t expect RB can keep that development pace And Horner said (5:30) continuous development will not be possible. I don’t see the conflict, all i see is media desperate to find something to talk about between races.

    • @evangeloskoulis9340
      @evangeloskoulis9340 Před rokem +50

      That's exactly what I was thinking.

    • @hobbie100
      @hobbie100 Před rokem +19

      nothingburger

    • @xMrManu
      @xMrManu Před rokem +15

      Well, Helmut Marko is saying that Ferrari's data about Red Bull's money is wrong

    • @rishinaik4326
      @rishinaik4326 Před rokem +3

      Yup

    • @rishinaik4326
      @rishinaik4326 Před rokem +27

      @@xMrManu So how does that signify rivalry ? Obviously if someone claims something on you , you clarify

  • @ben_1
    @ben_1 Před rokem +20

    Alternative title: "How F1 media are starting to fuel the Ferrari vs RedBull 2022 rivalry, based on innocent statements of team bosses"

    • @Karincl7
      @Karincl7 Před rokem

      It s all about clicks nowadays

    • @brendonnoble5227
      @brendonnoble5227 Před rokem

      Too true, but are the statements really that innocent?

  • @danverss6176
    @danverss6176 Před rokem +1214

    Does anybody realize that horner is so much more respectful with Ferrari compared to merc last year

    • @dannywelbz3650
      @dannywelbz3650 Před rokem +468

      Give it some time and a couple of crashes ....

    • @JohnWiku
      @JohnWiku Před rokem +1

      Nobody can't or should be nice to Merc, the most arrogant bunch of assholes imaginable. Totodile is the master cuntard.

    • @raysat7256
      @raysat7256 Před rokem +450

      He mirrors his rivals actions. Toto was a goofball last year, so Horner out goofed him.

    • @jacobphilp9826
      @jacobphilp9826 Před rokem +13

      wonder why…

    • @robdavies82
      @robdavies82 Před rokem +95

      Ferrari are F1 royalty. They must always be respected

  • @arba71
    @arba71 Před rokem +73

    I think RB simply realized from last year result that having the fastest car early is better than their previous habit of having a really good car at the very end of the season.

    • @canis_lupus2220
      @canis_lupus2220 Před rokem +8

      It makes a lot of sense. With inflation such a big factor, who knows if you can develop as much in 4 months for x USD as you can today. Also whatever gain you make now, you don't lose. The competition needs to catch up first before they can start overtaking you. It's similar to actual racing. You gain the most time at the beginning of the acceleration phase. 0-100 kph is more important than 200-300 kph.

    • @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n
      @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n Před rokem

      also when youre ahead on points, taking yourself and your rival out in a crash is a good thing

  • @thebestfeelingissuccess5424

    If ferrari repeats bottling the dev battle like 2017 i’ll be disappointed

    • @alexsagues4196
      @alexsagues4196 Před rokem +9

      I think Redbull's strategy is to constantly little develop so that there is a point buffer in case Ferrari gets faster

    • @karatekid951
      @karatekid951 Před rokem +2

      If they keep having to repair cars throughout the season, they just might.

    • @svenniepennie4237
      @svenniepennie4237 Před rokem +2

      They were behind from the start in 2017.

    • @wozasims
      @wozasims Před rokem +3

      knowing Ferrari its inevitable. Ferrari knows how to build a car but decision making and strategies is what will cause them to fumble the championship.

  • @benchan85
    @benchan85 Před rokem +127

    I wonder how spending is regulated so that teams don’t manipulate costs of materials and labor wages/costs to minimize what goes against the budget.

    • @pepperonish
      @pepperonish Před rokem +2

      😉😉😉😉😉

    • @JWHarris........
      @JWHarris........ Před rokem +6

      I can't see how they can police the spending..

    • @blackipino2011
      @blackipino2011 Před rokem +24

      Exactly. How difficult would it be for any of the big teams to persuade their vendors to quote a lower cost and they’ll compensate them in another way?

    • @MK-1010
      @MK-1010 Před rokem +4

      I was also wondering that, since so many things are made in-house. I think it was Benito who was talking about the FIA auditing process, saying it's very thorough, like you can't buy $5 titanium piston rods from your machine shop down the hall... Then again, IDK how they figure what parts should cost, it isn't like these are sealed spec engines, or parts only come from particular vendors.

    • @tmyfatmufo
      @tmyfatmufo Před rokem +1

      @@MK-1010 those things are heavily regulated even outside of F1. For exemple, You cant just say that your Gas is 50% price from here om out as you will probably get killed The next day for your competitors

  • @rockandrollrockandrollrock6930

    This is literally both teams doing what they’re supposed to do. Seems like they’ve both raised reasonable questions, received legitimate responses and that was that… but yeah let’s call it a bloodbath I guess lol

  • @Jack-fd8cx
    @Jack-fd8cx Před rokem +27

    I'm more interested in fights/battles between manufacturers than I am drivers. I care more about Red Bull vs Ferrari than Verstappen vs LeClerc. Both entertaining, but yeah the engineering and drama behind different technical rules and design philosophies is what makes formula 1 superior to any other mainstream racing series. Hope that never changes!

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem +1

      Well, as a dutchie i relate to Max, so that fight is equally interesting to me. But if you can't relate to either of them, i can imagine why you would say that.

  • @EclipsaMyrtenaster
    @EclipsaMyrtenaster Před rokem +144

    All we need is an event like Silverstone and Max will be saying "I'm leading, he wants to pass. He pushed me, I pushed him back and after, he pushed me off the track. It's not fair, ey?" and Charles will be going "Nothing. Just an inchident in the race."

    • @TheAblar2
      @TheAblar2 Před rokem +6

      Hahaha I would so much like to see Horner’s face when things turn spicy which it eventually will

    • @anurag15271
      @anurag15271 Před rokem +1

      last season really ruined us

    • @wekanye2
      @wekanye2 Před rokem +6

      Do you recall Max screaming about Charl cross the pit entry line at Jedder .... and about "his rear lights are not working...." ..... I think Max is the more dramatic of the 2 .... we will see ....

    • @askeladden450
      @askeladden450 Před rokem +6

      @@wekanye2 charles was also acting unusually twitchy in the imola gp when the drs was not being turned on. its just the heat of the championship, nothing really toxic... yet.

    • @duncani3095
      @duncani3095 Před rokem +7

      Charles is not going to take it that far. Lewis desperately wanted that win for the home crowd and made a huge error clipping Max at 300+ KPH. Because he celebrated like nothing happened, and never apologized for that very dangerous crash (one he was penalized for by the stewards), naturally things took a turn for the worse like they did. But Charles is a very different character, he has matured and put his past differences with Max behind him. This year i am sure we can all enjoy great racing, without the mudslinging last year turned into. You can even tell the difference during the cool down room just after the race. I'm pretty sure they both already had conversarions between themselves about this. I'm confident this year is going to be like the Schumacher/Häkkinen years. Respect and comradery.

  • @WTH1812
    @WTH1812 Před rokem +96

    Red Bull is shaving weight and tweaking aero elements, not individually high cost changes.
    Ferrari is trying to correct straight line porpoising and find more top end speed. These require much more extensive and expensive upgrades.
    Basically, it's the difference between a new suit and minor surgery.

    • @delroyshay5870
      @delroyshay5870 Před rokem +11

      Weight saving cost a lot of money. It's the manufacturing & developing, but the biggest cost is the material used to save weight. Then you have to make a number of them to last to the end of the year.

    • @matthewgilster4035
      @matthewgilster4035 Před rokem

      Engine development isn’t under the spending cap though

    • @Man-ix5mc
      @Man-ix5mc Před rokem +6

      @brotinger_1 23 small surgeries seem to be the better option. Things could go wrong at any moment (crashes, mechanical failures, etc.) So I think it's better to have a consistent performance throughout the season. Not to mention how the big upgrades might actually not get the desired performance.

    • @solinvictus1234
      @solinvictus1234 Před rokem +2

      you don't even immagine how much it cost to do a weight reduction and build new aero elements in an F1 car. RB spent much more than Ferrari did, i'll assure you.

    • @raycodv267
      @raycodv267 Před rokem +4

      @@solinvictus1234 assure him based on what? You know just as little as the lot of us.

  • @kkrsnn5632
    @kkrsnn5632 Před rokem +100

    This video IS the paranoia 😂 Well done to the authors.

    • @Micah_S_0x4D
      @Micah_S_0x4D Před rokem +7

      Nothing like poking the hornets' nest, right?
      More like privately going to one person and saying "did you hear what they're saying about you" and then going to the other party and doing the same.
      I'm sure both teams are scrutinizing each other but that's hardly conflict. Let's not create conflict where there is none, just enjoy what seems will be a competitive season.

    • @soundscape26
      @soundscape26 Před rokem +8

      Definitely... the title of the video is totally sensationalistic.

    • @dogger37JC
      @dogger37JC Před rokem

      Typical media trying to stir this up so they have more to talk about. Prodding them to fight…

    • @guttedxx
      @guttedxx Před rokem +1

      When you view count is getting low...

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Před rokem

      @@Micah_S_0x4D more like poking towards sun nests.

  • @shalemjackson9322
    @shalemjackson9322 Před rokem +19

    All I have to say is, "THAT FERRARI IS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS!"

    • @fqeagles21
      @fqeagles21 Před rokem +1

      Hope we can keep with the development

    • @jochie18
      @jochie18 Před rokem +2

      Even as a Red Bull fan, I totally agree!

    • @fqeagles21
      @fqeagles21 Před rokem +1

      @@jochie18 thank you

  • @adwnpinoy
    @adwnpinoy Před rokem +55

    I’ve enjoyed the level of competition thus far. I hope it doesn’t get catty and personal again.

    • @JWHarris........
      @JWHarris........ Před rokem +1

      Why not? You can't say it isn't entertaining ..

    • @JWHarris........
      @JWHarris........ Před rokem +1

      @@yugarten8523 I agree

    • @ondwelamasikhwa7785
      @ondwelamasikhwa7785 Před rokem +1

      well when optimism starts to fade. It will get personal. Right now everyone will just say there is 17 races to go and move on.

    • @gandalf_thegrey
      @gandalf_thegrey Před rokem +2

      It always will and always has become catty and personal.
      Two world championships are one the line. I haven't seen a not personal title rivalry since 2007. And even there it has become personal between both McLaren guys.

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem +1

      WIth ferrari coming from far back, i doubt it will. With merc last year feeling entitled to both titles it was a given. That's why it's good to see them fight in the midfield for about five years or so, should humble them a bit.

  • @Angry_Squirrel555
    @Angry_Squirrel555 Před rokem +17

    I wouldn’t call it “paranoia” so much as just a little drama to spice up an otherwise quiet season so far. It’s almost friendly in a way since neither was personal or harshly accusational, just some valid questions and observations.

  • @josephlogan7663
    @josephlogan7663 Před rokem +43

    The thing I find interesting about red bull is when they bring an upgrade it works as expected but Ferrari are slowly testing new pieces which will end up costing more as prototype parts will add up to costing more that 1 full spec part

    • @oz2362
      @oz2362 Před rokem +17

      getting real life data might be cheaper than the amount of sim work that's done for red bull. tbh this whole thing is so speculative its not even worth talking about.

    • @josephlogan7663
      @josephlogan7663 Před rokem +4

      @@oz2362 true no one will ever know how much anyone spent at one time. It would be cool if at the end of each season they did a spending overview

    • @oz2362
      @oz2362 Před rokem +3

      @@josephlogan7663 tbh i think it should be open information as it would show transparency from the fia and its relationships with the teams needs to be shown to the public due to just about everyone and their mum thinking the fia are biased in some way or other.

    • @ChefofWar33
      @ChefofWar33 Před rokem +1

      Red Bull seem to have the most accurate wind tunnel in F1 based on how well they can develop over a season.

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem +3

      @@oz2362 Quite the contrary, using good sim software is cheaper then IRL data. For the real life data you need to produce the part, not to mention have the engineers out in the open, fuel the car etc.. If the data then differs from expectation and the part or parts you tested don't do what you thought they would, that is dead money bringing you closer to the cap. Running simulations in software and then deciding which part works the way you want it to is more effective as it prevents you from spending dead money. In the long run good software saves you money compared to real life testing. And it just so happens RB pretty much has the best software out there, they tried to lobby for CFD only and no more windtunnels. The other teams didn't agree, probably because their software isn't as good as RBs. Funny enough RB will start to build a new windtunnel in the coming years on their own campus.

  • @RustiekeRakker
    @RustiekeRakker Před rokem +3

    I think the comment about the damage from the crashes and the cost of it is a real thing to keep in mind. That really adds up in a season

  • @benlappin
    @benlappin Před rokem +16

    This video kind of glossed over the fact that Marko directly called out the multiple crashes by Carlos Sainz that are the driving force behind the equal budget of RB and Ferrari

    • @BrazilianBeast45
      @BrazilianBeast45 Před rokem

      those crashes didn’t compromise the cars

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem +4

      @@BrazilianBeast45 Some of them definitely did, but not all. A damaged floor makes Charles car perform worse, as did those wall hugs from Carlos in Imola and Miami severely.

  • @7r_mando
    @7r_mando Před rokem +140

    All we need is a flashpoint event. I remember last year how “happy” Mercedes was to finally have a title rival. Then the British GP happened and immediately everything became hostile.

    • @bonifacelukosi9580
      @bonifacelukosi9580 Před rokem +23

      Tbf Honer had all this anger built up for 8 years during the merc dominance. Horner for so long was like this fly that wouldn't leave Toto alone so I think Horner was more than prepared to drop the "attempted murder" line lol.

    • @zainabdulhai7390
      @zainabdulhai7390 Před rokem +11

      Nah it was bad from the first race last year

    • @stuartmiller7419
      @stuartmiller7419 Před rokem +9

      Bound to happen when someone sends you to hospital to steal the win.

    • @03056932
      @03056932 Před rokem +1

      @@stuartmiller7419 look at the picture you dolt. Lewis is heading for the apex and max has three car widths to the outside. as brundle put it, Lewis had done enough to command some space. max pitted himself.

    • @CarlosDiaz-qb4jj
      @CarlosDiaz-qb4jj Před rokem +18

      @@03056932 Can't believe there's still some people out there who say that was Max's fault 🤣 unbelievable

  • @casesully50
    @casesully50 Před rokem +12

    This might be unpopular but I'm not sure how I feel about the budget cap. I love development races.

    • @jochie18
      @jochie18 Před rokem +10

      I get your opinion, however a budget cap promotes using materials more efficiently and they will find great ways to reduce production cost as well. Which could be beneficial for the automotive industry. I don't mind the budget cap, but wouldn't mind a capless budget as well. Both can be nice in their own way.

    • @g_webb21
      @g_webb21 Před rokem +1

      @@jochie18 there are definitely pros and cons. Efficiency and more chance for small teams are the main pros, while the main cons are the 'artificial' stoppage to development race (which could ruin a competitive season) and the inevitable moves of many engineers for a better payout (some engineers are leaving RB and Ferrari because they can get paid more in lower teams, due to budget cap)

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Před rokem

      @@jochie18 looks like Red Bull sensing something.

  • @jesperzeng
    @jesperzeng Před rokem +26

    Well, a Ferrari car costs more than a can of Red Bull. Maybe that’s why.

  • @freddiegriggs2277
    @freddiegriggs2277 Před rokem +13

    Thanks for your content, it's literally perfect for listening to while I unwind from a day of college.

    • @harrycox883
      @harrycox883 Před rokem

      facts Ive been cleaning an old toyota engine all day and listening to this is so chill

    • @bigcheezesupreme2377
      @bigcheezesupreme2377 Před rokem +1

      Lmao …..unwinding from a day….off COLLEGE!

    • @harrycox883
      @harrycox883 Před rokem

      @@bigcheezesupreme2377 I have the rest of the week off and my driving lesson tomorrow 😮‍💨

    • @bigcheezesupreme2377
      @bigcheezesupreme2377 Před rokem

      @@harrycox883Life is going to say hello one day and you’ll want to take months off to unwind.

    • @harrycox883
      @harrycox883 Před rokem

      @@bigcheezesupreme2377 I’m pretty desperate to get work at the moment I can’t lie

  • @trance9158
    @trance9158 Před rokem +92

    Ferrari are just now going to do it's first upgrade in Spain so let's see what comes from that since RB has already made upgrades.

    • @franp19
      @franp19 Před rokem +20

      So is RB and they haven’t done a big upgrade yet. That comes in silverstone. Losing weight is relatively cheap

    • @pretendweredead
      @pretendweredead Před rokem +6

      If you did see the video you’re replying to, you would know that they have already introduced 2 different floors, at least.

    • @n.vdhooven7437
      @n.vdhooven7437 Před rokem +13

      ferrari also lost big chunks of money due to Sainz crashes

    • @frafstet3835
      @frafstet3835 Před rokem +3

      @@n.vdhooven7437 no, 2 of them didn’t damage the car and the rest was just suspension work. RB already spent 75% of their budget

    • @madhavisingh9046
      @madhavisingh9046 Před rokem +7

      Red Bull have just made a couple of aerodynamic tweaks, and the rest was weight saving only.

  • @reneh.6551
    @reneh.6551 Před rokem +7

    Maybe Ferrari is spending its budget on the vintage F1 cars that Leclerc is slamming...

  • @ArianrhodTalon
    @ArianrhodTalon Před rokem +5

    Team principals taking jabs at each other.
    Verstappen to LeClerc: First time?

  • @JuliusBriggs
    @JuliusBriggs Před rokem +18

    these just seem like normal statements regarding upgrades from team principals and other team staff
    keep it on the track cba for the media to overinterpret nonsense again and create drama out of nothing for publicity

  • @micahswalley8663
    @micahswalley8663 Před rokem +27

    Where can I get more details on the spending cap and how it’s monitored? Do the salaries of engineers count? Do they have to show hours for R and D? Is there a flat rate across F1? What’s to stop them from providing a $1 invoice for research done by someone already on payroll, or change the expense of materials for parts made in house?

    • @dogger37JC
      @dogger37JC Před rokem +1

      Google it. There are a bunch of articles that explain it in detail as well as videos on here.

    • @utetopia1620
      @utetopia1620 Před rokem +1

      The salaries of some of the key employees dont count, mechanic salaries do, of course the drivers don't. There's only (x) amount of CFD modelling design changes they're allowed - its in the 1000's (something like 15,000), which is on a sliding scale depending on where they finished last year, and that number gets revised half way through the season.

    • @Blue-yp5mz
      @Blue-yp5mz Před rokem +5

      @@dogger37JC he want a real data, not an article based on someone opinion

    • @jkrillz6571
      @jkrillz6571 Před rokem

      @@dogger37JC real helpful bro. Never thought of that!

    • @micahswalley8663
      @micahswalley8663 Před rokem

      I’ve tried google and only found surface level info, was hoping a fellow fan could point me in the right direction.

  • @theharbinger2573
    @theharbinger2573 Před rokem +2

    So if there is a budget cap, there must be a way to police the spending of the teams. So why not just make it public? Put a big digital counter above each garage that counts up the money spent. Yeah it may be a week or two behind, but it lets everyone see who is spending what and keeps the teams from playing accounting games to hide their actual spending after the season.

  • @stoss-11
    @stoss-11 Před rokem

    GOOD UPDATED, EXCITED FOR THIS WEEKEND

  • @aviationandcars8198
    @aviationandcars8198 Před rokem +61

    Honda's screaming engines paired with the genius of Adrian Newey is a unbeatable combination. If Redbull can maintain good reliability it will be almost impossible for Ferrari to Challenge Redbul for the title over a long season.

    • @iuvdisuhb-ld3ou
      @iuvdisuhb-ld3ou Před rokem +3

      newey is over used....not like he designs every inch of the car

    • @aviationandcars8198
      @aviationandcars8198 Před rokem +29

      @@iuvdisuhb-ld3ou He is the an essential part of it and that makes all the difference

    • @sitordan
      @sitordan Před rokem +17

      Newey is a genius and anyone who says different does not know the guy. RedBull are lucky to have him as any team would welcome him in an instant.

    • @B.A.Georgian
      @B.A.Georgian Před rokem +2

      Idk man...if you ask RB they didn't have a good car since 2013...just the driver...so that means at least 9 straight years when Newey did a worse job than the rivals

    • @rumblefish9
      @rumblefish9 Před rokem

      ​@@sitordan Newey is a genius but he's also designed fast but fragile cars

  • @CarlosdCover
    @CarlosdCover Před rokem +5

    Binotto: I hope they stop developing the car :,c

  • @averyradom
    @averyradom Před rokem

    Actual question here, what parts of the teams operations does the budget cap regulate? Obviously R&D and parts acquisition, but does this also apply to say facility improvements or salaries? Just wondering.

  • @NexuJin
    @NexuJin Před rokem +2

    This video feels like an episode of Drive to Survive. Making drama where there was non to be found: "PARANOIA IS CREEPING INTO FERRARI AND REDBULL RIVALRY".

    • @alastor1052
      @alastor1052 Před rokem

      It's just media finding shit to spout inbetween races. Real fans just don't speculate drastically and observe what happens anyway

  • @Lanse1984
    @Lanse1984 Před rokem +3

    I think RB are fine cost wise. No major upgrades yet and weight savings should be a priority. I honestly don't think the RB besides some bad luck has any real weak points and I doubt you will see any major upgrades along the way

    • @anuragverma5769
      @anuragverma5769 Před rokem

      bro their major upgrades came in barcelona test itself and second major upgrades in Imola.....and did you mean Ferrari?

    • @Marc98338
      @Marc98338 Před rokem +2

      @@anuragverma5769 What do you mean. Rb hasnt done any big upgrades, just minor tweaks and mainly weight saving. Their major update is planned for Silverstone, with another 7 kg loss for this weekend

    • @galetinm
      @galetinm Před rokem

      @@Marc98338 If you think weight saving is cheap, you're delusional.

    • @Marc98338
      @Marc98338 Před rokem

      @@galetinm Where did i say it is cheap lol.

  • @pabloquijadasalazar7507
    @pabloquijadasalazar7507 Před rokem +7

    6:22 I think that’s because Mercedes is less about racing, and more about using their massive resources.

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem

      Nah, they are all about porpoising and they are stumbling in complete darkness.

    • @Mat.Carvalho
      @Mat.Carvalho Před rokem +1

      As opposed to Ferrari, a puny racing team with barely any capital to develop their cars.

  • @angiegough9912
    @angiegough9912 Před rokem +1

    I was waiting for someone to make this video.

  • @Buffalo31
    @Buffalo31 Před rokem

    F1 should do more to make things like the spending of the teams part of the tv viewing experience so people can see how much each team has used compared to where they are on the grid/ in the championship.

  • @Mpower-hz4gk
    @Mpower-hz4gk Před rokem +5

    It would be quite easy to instruct your drive to accidentally run over a chicane and damage the floor. Same as accidental spins in qualifying years ago. It's going to be a tight season !

    • @barneyklingenberg4078
      @barneyklingenberg4078 Před rokem

      Sure but the FIA did it's job in this particular case. The rules are pretty clear and they were followed.
      The "filming day" on an sealed Monza raises more eyebrows with me.

  • @mgers75
    @mgers75 Před rokem +22

    How the hell does FIA police the budget cap? these are huge operations and its not like you can place a retail price on a in house produced wing?

    • @DisgruntledVlog
      @DisgruntledVlog Před rokem

      Of course you can't, but you can put a price tag on raw materials, man-hours and equipment. The teams have a max budget they can spend which includes every part of their operation that impacts racing (so everythig except marketing and some admin functions, basically)

    • @xXRunDeathXx
      @xXRunDeathXx Před rokem +2

      of course you can. i work for a car manufacturer and the situation of part development is similar but we can tell what the development of something die cost to the cent.

    • @limitlessspeedtail2979
      @limitlessspeedtail2979 Před rokem +1

      I think the FIA said they have forensic accounts to keep the teams in check but yeah I’d love to see how exactly they police the teams

    • @robinbernardinis
      @robinbernardinis Před rokem

      The budget cap is just that, a budget cap. The team cannot spend more than the budget cap, apart for specific expenses that get written off, such as infrastructure investments and driver salaries, I believe. The don't police how much making a single wing costs, but the total amount of money spent.

    • @diggernicks
      @diggernicks Před rokem

      ​@@DisgruntledVlog exactly

  • @cartledge_uk
    @cartledge_uk Před rokem +1

    Teams should have to publish their used CFD/aero allocation and spend against cap. Even if it's once at mid season, it would be good to see

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem

      FIA checks CFD and windtunnel time already. The amount a team can use is based on constructor standings midseason and at the end.

    • @cartledge_uk
      @cartledge_uk Před rokem

      @@EntropicExergy yes, we all know that. I'm saying it should be published. So the public can see their spend/used time

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem

      @@cartledge_uk Ah ok, i think the FIA will do so if they feel it to be necessary.

  • @vineetsf7
    @vineetsf7 Před rokem +1

    The energy drink consortium is back at what it does best, criticize the competition!!! 😂

  • @carisi2k11
    @carisi2k11 Před rokem +4

    The only development on the RB that I have seen is the weight reduction. I have seen nothing else that would result in Red Bull spending more then Ferrari. Mercedes suddenly joining them at the front on the other hand would be extremely difficult to explain without them going over the budget cap. Lets not forget that Sainz has had several accidents of his own doing already that would be putting a crimp on Ferrari's budget. Whereas Red Bull have just had a fuel vaporisation issue and a leak and no accident damage.

  • @certifiedbruh
    @certifiedbruh Před rokem +3

    Unlike Ferrari, RB was in fight for at least one championship last year and they announced themselves that they’ll abandon a bit the development of the new 2022 RB car and now it came out as all issues we’ve seen so far. If Dr Helmut Marco says that they’re not on limit that means that they just spend what they haven’t spent before

  • @andycampbell324
    @andycampbell324 Před rokem

    If the restriction continue, it seems that if a team doesn't turn up at race one with a near perfect car they might as well write-off the season, and just concentrate on the next, as no chance of bridging the gap?

  • @claudioviniciocottoarechav8751

    I would like to know your position on the following: Ferrari can't complain that much about budget spence from RB since the blues started much later to develop their car months later than the reds. So I think Binotto is speculating on RB's budget managenment and this can be a beat hasety.

    • @solinvictus1234
      @solinvictus1234 Před rokem

      "the blues started much later to develop their car months later than the reds"
      Get back from Narnia.

  • @roadrunner6224
    @roadrunner6224 Před rokem +4

    I hope we will get a flash point soon, politics and bickering is half the fun of F1.

    • @artnull13
      @artnull13 Před rokem

      Probably when Verstappen runs into someone

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem

      @@artnull13 No need to run into anyone when you lead the race, lulu will probably run into someone though. Likely into Russell when he beats lulu in another race.

    • @artnull13
      @artnull13 Před rokem

      @@EntropicExergy lmao he’s been behind LeClerc in most of the Qualys and has had to battle him to get in front - are you that blind or is your nose so far up Verstappen’s ass you’re unable to see. By the degree of the stench of fanboyism you exude - likely the latter.

  • @whassupg89
    @whassupg89 Před rokem +4

    Easy to forget that Merc and RB were getting on ok this early last season

    • @Ruylopez778
      @Ruylopez778 Před rokem

      Hamilton said, “maybe Verstappen has something to prove” before the 5th race.
      Mercedes complained about the RB rear wing, that was the 4th race, last year. And complained about the delay as “messy”.
      Hamilton Imola (2nd race) 2021, “I was basically avoiding us coming together.”
      Hamilton Barcelona (4th race) 2021, “I don’t get too aggressive when I don’t need to be.”

    • @joereality1664
      @joereality1664 Před rokem +3

      Lol no they weren't. Early last season Toto went full assault against RB with pit stop changes and forcing rear wing test changes.

  • @truegret7778
    @truegret7778 Před rokem

    @THE RACE - good and interesting info. I would be curious to know what Merc has been spending to simply catch up, or try. Surely they have been spending a lot trying. Unless, this is what Wolffy meant by not making design changes until "we understand the cause of propoising".

  • @dmatthewholmes
    @dmatthewholmes Před rokem

    Great video guys 👍

  • @austintodeson1679
    @austintodeson1679 Před rokem +9

    Red bulls upgrades have all been weight savers most of the cost is just production and they haven’t had nearly as many crashes

    • @frafstet3835
      @frafstet3835 Před rokem

      The engines cost money, and they are spending 200.000 dollars per kg less

    • @therealkinghimself
      @therealkinghimself Před rokem

      Totally agree, they didn't have a single dnfs nor fire on their cars

    • @adityaramesh7565
      @adityaramesh7565 Před rokem +1

      @@therealkinghimself they did have dnf ...but due to small niggles not wrecking crashes like errari...

    • @solinvictus1234
      @solinvictus1234 Před rokem

      Do a Weight saving in an F1 car it cost you as much, if not even more, than do a brand new car aero bodykit.

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem

      @@frafstet3835 If you knew anything about f1, you'd know engines aren't part of the cap. They only result in grid penalties if you use too many.

  • @PolishEddie1992
    @PolishEddie1992 Před rokem +11

    6:27 I love how you guys worded that. Saying how Lewis and Max collided so spectacularly instead of saying how Lewis punted Max into the wall on one of the fastest corners of the circuit out of desperation.

    • @Ikuconodule
      @Ikuconodule Před rokem

      I love when people use very normal language instead of displaying signs of bias and brainwashing too

    • @PolishEddie1992
      @PolishEddie1992 Před rokem +1

      @@Ikuconodule i know right!!??! My thoughts exactly! Cheers m8! At least you agree with me 👍

  • @meerakpro
    @meerakpro Před rokem

    For transparency all spending should be made available on each team on the F1 site

  • @purwantiallan5089
    @purwantiallan5089 Před rokem

    I am sensing more rivalries start to ignite between Ferrari and Red Bull.

  • @archiejones1003
    @archiejones1003 Před rokem +3

    4th or smth idk

  • @alanhall1219
    @alanhall1219 Před rokem +6

    Red bull would fall out with their own shadows if it’s in front of them

  • @dougswamprat5275
    @dougswamprat5275 Před rokem +1

    'In the end it turned into a non-story', yet here we are...

  • @greigsanderson
    @greigsanderson Před rokem +2

    If Ferrari floor was damaged, they should have changed with an identical floor from the broken one. Ferrari should not have been allowed to change to a different floor. It's a tyre test, not a floor test. Surely that's illegal?

  • @SweetChillieBeat
    @SweetChillieBeat Před rokem +3

    Red bull is gonna out develop somehow for alot less money then Ferrari

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem

      Not crashing the car helps.

    • @SweetChillieBeat
      @SweetChillieBeat Před rokem

      @@EntropicExergy I'm a Max fan but definitely think he'll wreck atleast 1

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem

      @@SweetChillieBeat If Charles runs into him. Even when pushing at Miami he managed to save it in the chicane. If Max can help it he'll stay at zero.

  • @thelarry383
    @thelarry383 Před rokem +4

    I want to see maximum drama and conflict between ferrari and redbull. 😈 But I fear binotto is too much of a nice guy

  • @Marc98338
    @Marc98338 Před rokem +2

    Its not a question IF RB will outdevelop Ferrari but how MUCH they will outdevelop Ferrari.

  • @erjaycruz4101
    @erjaycruz4101 Před rokem

    How FIA monitors the development of each team and the cost of each development. Are they collecting docs with costs of each development/upgrade every race?

  • @Zz-wj1jp
    @Zz-wj1jp Před rokem +6

    Binnoto is shaking lol

  • @MsZeeZed
    @MsZeeZed Před rokem +4

    Nice smokescreen Mattia, its been obvious from Races 1 & 2 Red Bull was equal or quicker than the Ferrari, but just not as reliable. Good to get your shady allegations in before you lose the championship lead looks less sus 👍
    As for the 2 RB test weekend floors, there’s a high chance RB floor 1 is on the 2021 budget line, like Merc’s entire Barcelona bodywork

    • @hallo0hoi
      @hallo0hoi Před rokem

      To be fair, mattia didn't even say that much, its more the italian media running away with everything he says.

  • @mrinalpooniwala8252
    @mrinalpooniwala8252 Před rokem +1

    Let the Games begin !

  • @dantheracer99
    @dantheracer99 Před rokem

    I think it's impossible to have a Championship fight where there isn't any tension between the people fighting it out. Needle and tension is fine and good for the sport but I just don't want to see it get toxic between the two parties. Hopefully Max and Charles can keep it clean on track and there won't be a need for it to go that way.

  • @cosmikyogi2514
    @cosmikyogi2514 Před rokem +4

    Leclerc vs Max won't boil over because Charles is not Hamilton. He is lot more level headed to fight on track, he will keep it reasonable just like Max. You need atleast one guy to back off, both Lewis & Max never backed off which was lot more stressful than it needed to be.

    • @DeshiBlacksheep
      @DeshiBlacksheep Před rokem

      What are talking about? Lewis constantly backed off.

  • @hishamhilal8332
    @hishamhilal8332 Před rokem +7

    Neither sides are Mercedes so I'm sure the battle won't get too political.

    • @andrewmelton2686
      @andrewmelton2686 Před rokem +6

      Mercedes is just rent free in people's heads. Their dominance gave people like you PTSD, I hope you're doing a bit better now though 👍

    • @ciprianbaluta7896
      @ciprianbaluta7896 Před rokem +1

      So you are new to F1 then. I tell you, this will not age well.

    • @rishabhgokhale2433
      @rishabhgokhale2433 Před rokem

      My guy we literally have Ferrari here

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem

      @@andrewmelton2686 Nope, merc is just getting the humbling it deserves. Without a headstart like the 2014 engine regs, they are rather mediocre.

  • @tonyroberts7481
    @tonyroberts7481 Před rokem +1

    It’s amazing with all of the pressure put on team bosses that it’s as calm as it is. Well unless Mercedes don’t get their way at all times.

    • @164DiecastVideos
      @164DiecastVideos Před rokem

      Delusion is terrible. RB moaning about rear wings but seemingly got away with swapping out half their car each weekend in parc ferme under the guise of safety.
      Just shows your bias

  • @anaconda27975
    @anaconda27975 Před rokem

    Wow, what a searched rivalry by the press this is. So overstated what is happening. This is just sad to say the least

  • @patrickwhite4449
    @patrickwhite4449 Před rokem +5

    Christian Horner complaining more? What a shock…
    (Edit) and of course it will boil over. Christian NEEDS drama, it gets him tv time.

    • @jaysekhon8014
      @jaysekhon8014 Před rokem +7

      Get Toto's toto of your face, you can't think clearly lmao

    • @danw5760
      @danw5760 Před rokem +3

      Toto you've got work to do!

    • @Frozander
      @Frozander Před rokem +2

      Nice burner toto

  • @abu-omaral-bakr392
    @abu-omaral-bakr392 Před rokem +1

    It’s so easy they just have a second company which is developing secretly underground and so they don’t need the budget gap involved

  • @stevenmoran4060
    @stevenmoran4060 Před rokem +1

    The cars were developed to be ready for last season so it just shows how wrong Mercedes went!
    Red Bull don’t have the bouncing effect to overcome so won’t be wasting money on that.
    Adrian Newey previously designed ground effect cars.

  • @speedhunter7303
    @speedhunter7303 Před rokem

    RB’s issue with reliability will be around throughout the season...unless they changed the design..just liked Mercs flawed their car design..if ever they wanna change it..it will be costly..just like Binotto said RB won’t be able to develop their car in the latter part of the season if they keep bringing upgrades frequently..

  • @HatchieeOG
    @HatchieeOG Před rokem

    Is there no way at all to get around the budget cap? There’s gotta be some secret money moving around in the F1 space

  • @KenSmith-bv4si
    @KenSmith-bv4si Před rokem

    When you say explore then "tension" , I think you mean using a stick to poke at to increase said tension.

  • @ReadyForTheBassdrop
    @ReadyForTheBassdrop Před rokem

    Wouldn't every team sooner or later have to stop development due to the budget restrictions?

  • @intothemultiverse1033

    Ferrari appears to have a slight advantage in qualy trim and RB a slight advantage in race trim. It may well be Ferrari can’t maintain its higher engine modes throughout a race.

  • @CdnTrader1
    @CdnTrader1 Před rokem

    The spending cap does not include Marketing budgets. Someone needs to check if either team is somehow spending $5000 per hat that they are throwing in to the crowd.
    If Marty Byrde is CFO, you know something shady is going on.

  • @Lina-rn8bp
    @Lina-rn8bp Před rokem

    I didn't recall we had these kinds of drama back in the Ferrari vs Mercedes days in 2017 and 2018. Did I miss something or it's getting more spicy lately with more people interested in F1 media.

  • @nasossam
    @nasossam Před rokem

    The budget is one but split between different forecasted expenses. They forecasted a certain budget for repairs after crashes etc as well as a budget for development. What Marko said is irrelevant…

    • @EntropicExergy
      @EntropicExergy Před rokem

      Not if they keep crashing, too many crashes mean other areas will get less spending. Goes the other way around too, if RB stays out of crashes like they have been doing, they can spend even more on upgrades. And i dare bet that Charles is going to kiss the wall in monaco based on his history there.

  • @sh-spectrum409
    @sh-spectrum409 Před rokem

    IMHO I’m convinced that RB is now currently lighter than Ferrari considering that their tyre wear is now superior especially after what happened in Melbourne. Let’s see if the Scuderia can fix that this upcoming weekend.

  • @mubbasherniaz8082
    @mubbasherniaz8082 Před rokem

    This budget cap is such a hold back

  • @jamespakan4914
    @jamespakan4914 Před rokem

    This will be like before, 2010-2013 Red Bull vs Ferrari and now 2022 Red Bull vs Ferrari.

  • @ericvalverderosado2046
    @ericvalverderosado2046 Před rokem +1

    Last year i was supporting Max 100%…then noticed myself being angry at the RB’s…gotta calm down 🤣, is very good to see Ferrari back fighting the top…and im sure many Ferrari fans noticed their passion about F1 going higher this year…almost taking it to heart 🙏🏽🤣

  • @moderndayauteur
    @moderndayauteur Před rokem

    coming from the same team principal as the 2019 Scuderia, this makes me laugh.

  • @reiniernn9071
    @reiniernn9071 Před rokem +1

    I do not understand Binotto.
    With a 10 million dollar I can upgrade every race (23 races) the cars with parts worth 437782 dollars. (Each car half of that I suppose....)
    In other words....a few little aero dynamic changes are easily affordable....a complete new car not eaqsily ...crashed cars replacing I mean.)
    The engineering costs are zero....the team is already on the payroll and what they do does not add any to the budget cap because engineering salaries, computers for cadcam are already in the budget calculated..not making any difference if you use them or not. Only the really making a new part add some extra in materials, using a pressurechamber for "baking" such a carbon part..
    And because some crashes Ferrari had to create a lot of new parts for repairng the car from Sainz.
    Also...some of the RB upgrades has to do with the engine reliability which maybe is NOT in the budgetcap.
    (Or is Ferrari hiring external engineers to develop......then every change also includes extra salaries)

  • @b0zz1380y
    @b0zz1380y Před rokem

    All we need is an inchident and this thing will get lit

  • @bukwok
    @bukwok Před rokem +1

    i always wonder FIA how to monitoring F1 team no secretly testing , development or parts making kind of stuffs, especially for those auto manufacturer team like ferrari and mercedes, not so hard to develop and keep making new parts and testing, maybe somewhere other 2022 latest f1 car secretly doing test , like still spend same money, just don't get caught.

    • @solinvictus1234
      @solinvictus1234 Před rokem

      "i always wonder FIA how to monitoring F1 team no secretly testing"
      At any tests the teams have to mount on the car a FIA ECU, so FIA have all under control (and knowed).
      Every cars ECU is constantly monitored by FIA to see if them runned in a non race day.
      In every single test there's at least a FIA marshal to check and validate the cars taking part on it.
      FIA have granted the remote access to all the Teams computational systems at their HQ.

    • @bukwok
      @bukwok Před rokem

      @@solinvictus1234 Yes ,you right,i know they can monitoring in racing week on track , i mean off track stuffs,something like development , they can make 10 different front wing, see which one lighter but strong enough pass test, especially for those big factory team, those auto maker, totally capable make areo part and test, FIA hard to monitoring or no resources monitor everything, i guess must lot of gray area about development spending, even FIA monitoring CFD time,maybe other same car at somewhere running test, back then f1 team when crashed a car, then other backup car stand by for you jump in when you walking back to pit,so i think not hard to build other same car at somewhere running test. i just think FIA hard to deeply monitoring every team , 10 team on the grip ,need lot of resources.sorry for my poor english.

    • @solinvictus1234
      @solinvictus1234 Před rokem

      @@bukwok I mean off track. FIA exactely know when, for how long, and for what purpose any team switch on or off their computer to do CFD work, their wind tunnels etc etc etc every day of the season. That's how FIA check the wind tunnel and CFD working hours of all teams.
      Also teams spy on each others, if a team will solely try to do something illegal like a closed door test it will be immediately discovered and documented (see the 2013 secret illegal test of Mercedes at Silverstone for example).

  • @skiran6316
    @skiran6316 Před rokem

    How click bait title you want
    The race: yes

  • @MrRono19
    @MrRono19 Před rokem

    If inflation keeps going up all the teams that have been sitting back at the start of the season are going to end up with less money to spend. So its a smart move to start spending now.

  • @defenda1
    @defenda1 Před rokem +1

    Binotto is assuming Red Bull are paying the same prices he does in Italy, in reality Horner is up all night finding knockoffs on aliexpress.

  • @brapa1190
    @brapa1190 Před rokem

    The respectful Handshake after the race is gonna end soon, it's gonna be fake awkward soon

  • @sooperman12
    @sooperman12 Před rokem

    Can someone explain how they determine how much money is spent against the cap? I mean, is there a cost sheet that applies to all teams? Or, do teams just report what they've spent? And if the latter, can't supply, material, and manufacturing cost differ based on teams being able to secure, for lack of a better word, "cheaper" sources for material and labor? Like, what's stopping Red Bull from saying, "We're paying these engineers $1/hr?" Or we bought carbon fiber in bulk. Or we paid up front for wind tunnel time at a reduced rate? Rates that may be different than other teams?

    • @reiniernn9071
      @reiniernn9071 Před rokem

      I suppose any accountant can do a search in the books and make a report about spendings. Enigineers will be at the payroll. That means the cost/hour for an engineer is much lower than when you hire one from a consulting company. Real development is done on already payed computers. I do not see how such work costs any extra from the budget cap. A windtunnel has its own gap...not in money but in hours.
      But each product you are making phisycally costs money...even if that product is not working as planned. It will pay of to check all development on the computer double or triple before really making a new part.

  • @vrajpatel2763
    @vrajpatel2763 Před rokem

    Why the hell binnoto is not sure in rb budget, he was saying like there r no other people in team that do not have concern if they have concern abt budget cap why don’t he tell sainz to crash less

  • @mesuesja80
    @mesuesja80 Před rokem

    It is impossible to control what they spend!

  • @gordonwallin2368
    @gordonwallin2368 Před rokem

    Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

  • @thechamp8162
    @thechamp8162 Před rokem

    Do you have to pay to use all the footage and images for these videos

  • @KAMiKAZOW
    @KAMiKAZOW Před rokem

    FIA representatives said repeatedly that they don't have the resources to look at and police everything on their own and rely on complains from the teams. Formal complains are therefore nothing personal.

  • @carl5959
    @carl5959 Před rokem

    We can't just be happy with close racing these days it seems can we The media needs off track drama to create a narrative...

  • @greigsanderson
    @greigsanderson Před rokem +1

    It's not paranoia, the teams do this so the FIA keep an eye on everything they're competitors are doing ONLY. It's like a pupil telling on another pupil.

  • @kevinstreet5709
    @kevinstreet5709 Před rokem

    Yes but everyone knows how expensive it is in Italy compared to Milton Keynes