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As for Legend of Dragoon - what horrible translation are you talking about? A game with lines like "Shut up. Talking makes you die." is a masterpiece in my book.
I cant believe a game exists with such bitchen legacy
it's unapologetically angsty and I'm here for it.
Any time something intense or surprising is happening: "WOW"
The dub is funny sometimes too. lol I honestly love it like a bad 90s anime dub.
@@MacUser2-il2cx In the cutscene where Rose goes "Oh no it cannot be" I nearly died from laughter.
Before anyone gets angry at our boy, remember. Not ALL games are for everyone, just because a game is critically acclaimed and loved by MANY, doesn't AUTOMATICALLY means that EVERYONE is forced to like it. Respect other people's opinions y'all and don't try to force them to change their mind. Respect to be respected sweeties
Preach!!
lol there’s a way to deliver your opinion while being respectful too.
It’s “yeah I didn’t find this enjoyable“ vs “the devs went brain dead for this, it’s trash”
Please don’t send any hate towards David it will not be tolerated got
@@26moreedays Yes but what I'm driving at is, to not be offended by others opinion like "WHAT?! THE CZcamsR DARES NOT LIKE THE GAME I LOVE?! HATE HIM". That's like completely unnecessary, it's ok to show your disagreement in a respectful manner. Be like "oh I understand why you not like but I disagree because..." But don't be like "EFF YOU, YOU'RE WORTHLESS GARBAGE WITH YOUR GARBAGE OPINION"... That kind of hate is completely unnecessary and pointless
In my case GTA 5 is everywhere and I have never been interested in playing it
i skipped college classes to get FF13 on launch day. honestly, i kinda wish i went to class instead lol
Can't believe I paid full price for that one, lol. 24 hours in I just felt depressed and stopped
I think the junction system in FF8 was really fun, but I completely get it when people don't care for it
I also really enjoyed it too, especially once I figured it out
Suikoden 3 had an insanely good opening movie tho
I still don’t understand why we have never gotten a port of the original Legend of Legaia. Not even a PSN release back in ps3. I loved that game as a kid
I wish they made tales of zesteria more like the anime, Alisha actually joined Sorey for a majority of the game instead of leaving like not even halfway through and making it seem like she had high importance in the game only to be reduced to a playable dlc character for 3 hrs
The manga was also a nice read.
Honestly? The addition system was the best part of Legend of Dragoon, it makes the combat fun. And being able to transform into dragoon form on top of that is just fantastic. The only real downfall the game has is that the white dragoon wielder doesn't actually get any additions to do.
I liked it a lot also, I just wish Sony or some hobbyist would adjust the timing. You have to be way too precise on those. If they would loosen it up a little, it’s still a great combat system. I would love to see it come back, maybe with some modern touches & additions. (Pun intended! 😂).
I liked the addition system but eventually I just couldnt get the more complicated ones down later in the game which was frustrating. I’m sure it was just my lack of coordination but I really wanted to be able to finish the game and I couldn’t because of it.
I'm with David here. Sure, it gave you something to do, but it made the combat so slow. That, in combination with the high encounter rate really killed the game for me.
I never played The Legend of Dragoon, but I hear it has the same writer as Super Mario RPG (Yasuyuki Hasebe) and that was one of my favourite JRPG's, so I want to play this soon. Bought it on Vita.
Yeah I love the addition system I didn't know people couldn't figure it out but the enemy encounter rate was annoying and it sucks Shana had no additions
I am legend of dragoons following.
But I get it.
It will always be one of my greatest memories here on CZcams getting you to voice a line in my Legend of Dragoon retrospective that completely gushes about the game when we both knew you hated it.
You're always a great sport despite our differences haha! Keep it real David!
I already foresee that Chrono Cross is on this list.
(Still love the game)
It's surprisingly not lol. It's for sure on my list though.
Yeah +1 for “not a chrono cross fan” here. Tried it way back when, didnt like it.
One more person who doesn’t like Chrono Cross much here too. Still not the worst JRPG I played though.
@kewoshk oh God no, it's not bad as it's own thing. I feel like they crossed into Suikoden territory with the bloated cast and made most of them very meh in the end.
I also didn't care for it's Magic system, much preferred Triggers.
And it's leveling system was trash. Everyone gains the Star Level, but only the present characters gain the stats from what I've been told.
All that being said, I bought the remaster, haven't played it though. I was hoping modders would make the game better.
I didn't know it was a chrono trigger "sequel " and hated cross from the get go
Let’s give David some credit, he’s the only other person I know that likes Beyond the Beyond besides me.
Beyond the beyond is awesome in my opinion
Ah yes the dark souls of RPGs before Dark Souls. I don't think I've played another game where the first random low level bat was like a boss fight.
Besides the open ended ending, I love that game. Need Camelot to make more RPGs again :(
Beyond the Beyond is one of my secret favorite games ever. Before I was able to get my own copy, I would rent that game several times over many weekends and only play the first like 8 hours of it (I had no memory card at the time, so I always had to start over). My dad used to help with one or two of the puzzles that I was stumped on quite often back then too so that was a fun memory too, as he really never played much of anything or paid attention to a lot of games.
@@cribbibalibba2383 That sounds totally nuts
Legend of Legaia needs a remake/remaster, immediately
You nailed it for Grandia 3. First ten hours was fun until the adults left (who were more interesting than the kids). Battle system was fun until enemy speed quickly outstripped any chance of your team cancelling their attacks. I eventually beat it but it was a huge chore and the final game cut scene was a huge joke.
Legaia 2 was just a chore as well. It seemed like a huge bore without any life to it.
I get the FF8 hate but I’ve never understood the hate for monsters leveling up with you. As a kid I played this game, leveled up to 100 quickly in disc 2, and was able to complete the game and side quests without obvious issues. Sure the super bosses were hard but they were always going to be hard. I was an idiot kid and was able to advance just fine.
This is a big split with a lot of people in gaming. Some don't mind it. Others think it takes away from the feeling of getting stronger. It's not as noticeable in ff8 cause the junction system breaks shit if you allocate spells properly for stats. A lot if people feel that the Stat functioning also discouraged the use of spells.
@@Stickman0660 I don't disagree with some of those other criticisms, I just specifically dislike the argument made in this video against monsters leveling up. It's pretty clear they intended the junction system to be the primary method of strengthening your characters.
@@RPGArcadia true. I just think the idea wasn't popular at the time. And definitely a step away from the norm.
True. Level didn't matter if you knew how to junction properly. By the end of the game I was massacring bosses with all three characters doing triple meteor. lol
@@NeutralGloomBot Question, did you think that lower the game's experience? Cause in my view, even if it seems "cheap" or "easy" or whatever one may argue, you BY YOURSELF found that strategy out so... Is it REALLY diminishing the experience? Or was the experience like, less enjoyable if you didn't utilize tactics like these?
Valkyrie Profile is definitely the beloved classic that dissapointed me the most. I love mythology, the concept is great, and I like the battle system, but the glacial pace, the distant non engaged way they choose to tell the story, and the difficulty spikes made it a chore to get through
Yeah I couldn't even get halfway through the first playthrough. Everyone seems to gush over it but I think it's a really bad series.
The worst part of VP is without game guide, not even luck will unlock you from good ending path
Triple Triad is money. It was so good there was a site we’d all go to where you could play others online and choose whichever rules you liked waiting for a challenge. They’d introduce card sets from basically every rpg you’ve ever heard of. Art was great.
As a Zelda fan since the NES, if Nintendo keeps the BotW formula going forward, then I hate Breath of the Wild. What a boring shell of a Zelda game that was.
Gotta agree about the convolutedness of Zestiria but I still loved the characters in it especially the relationship between Sorey and Mikleo. Don't thing the series is doing bad at all either especially with Berseria and Arise being some of my favorite in the series but that's just my opinion.
I love Sorry and Mikleo too! ❤ One of my all time favorite relationships in JRPGs.
Star Ocean: Til the End of Time is my pick. I admire the amount of content in it, but it feels so hostile towards the player, especially the item creation . It's one of those games that has tons of depth but doesn't really condition the player to take advantage of it.
With the amount of attention they put into QoL improvements for the Star Ocean 2 remake, I'm really hoping they turn Star Ocean 3 into the GOAT RPG that I thought it was back in the PS2 days. Something about that era of games feels so clunky to me that it's hard to go back and play it now, but it has the potential to be very special.
I really tried to get into star ocean games, last one I tried was 2ndstoryR and I just can't. I know how popular it is but I just got bored. On the other hand I loved suikoden3. I respect all tastes, I guess not all games are for everyone.
MP death was so dumb
Glad that someone picked a new reason besides plot twist bad =game bad
I couldn't stand all the excessively long dungeons, bad maps, and constant backtracking.
Man...i like Grandia 3 and Legaia 2, but I get your complaints on them.
100% agree on FF8 and Legend of Dragoon. I wanted to like both but ended up hating both.
The music and story of dragoon was incredible at the time. In that era it was a legend. Hard to say what I'd think if I played it again. Battle system was annoying until you get the transformations
I totally agree with you about legend of dragoon. I used a game shark to get an item that lets you do the addition automatically and even then i didnt bother to finish it. I remember traded it in with a bunch of other games and put towards a ps2.
I honestly loved Tales of Zestiria, although it is the only Tales game I have ever played. And even I can admit that the crafting system was a ridiculous nightmare.
It's always amazing to me how different we all are. Two of my favorite games are on this list. I did like Zestiria enough to play it twice, but it's my least favorite Tales game. I've also played Legaia 2 several times, but it's not a favorite--just a fun time for me. But Suikoden 3 and FF8 have been played tons of times over the years. Once I understood the best mechanic of FF8 was not to level at all, but to turn every monster into a card, it was fun to figure out exactly how to do that. However, there are plenty of games I hate that everyone else loves, and I'm almost always in the minority on both sides of the equation.
Also, just to be clear, I'm a huge fan of David Vinc's videos--he's always informative and it's always fun to hear his opinions.
Good for you, David. I hate Tales of Zestiria and FFVIII. I went into Tales of Berseria thinking "Oh no...this is a PREQUEL to that terrible Zestiria game?! This is gonna be awful," but then I played Berseria and was addicted, finishing the entire game in six days while working a 40 hour work week on top of that. It was an unprecedented completion speed for me with a JRPG as it normally takes me months just to get through one. I'm glad I didn't let the lameness that was Zestiria keep me from playing Berseria.
The only thing I liked about Legend of Dragoon was the silver haired dancing girl wit the hammer.
Meiru.
@@LadyVoldo Meru
@@abrahamlupis9354 Oh yes that's right.
Suikoden III and FF8...well, a broken clock is wrong except 2 times a day...
Seriously though, I think your criticisms of the games are spot on, even if they didnt really stop me from enjoying and loving those games.
Always appreciate your full on honesty David.
FF8 was the first FF game I played and the only one I actually enjoyed playing. The other FF games are just ok to me. Also, Squall has the coolest looking sword till this day
I haven't played any of these except for Legaia 2, which i love. But I'm aware that alot of people don't like it compared to the original.
Thanks for the video :)
Sad to see The Legend of Dragoon here, it's one of my favorite RPGs and one I will always remember fondly (even though I played it 10+ years after its release).
It's already quite underrated, and this...certainly won't help.
I hated Tales of Vesperia and forced myself to finish it, but I have Tales of the Abyss in my top 10 games.
Gasp how dare you lol
Same. I hated Zestiria, Berseria and Vesperia. I'm afriad to even bother with Arise or whatever comes next, because the Tales franchise was batting 0 for me, for an entire decade.
Absolutely love Tales of the Abyss.
@xthatwhiteguyx tales of arise was amazing. A return to form imo. Then again if you didn't like vesperia or berseria(2 entries most of the fanbase liked) then the franchise may not be for you then
@@porkncheese1789 I loved Graces (f), Xillia and Symphonia. Every one I played after those has been terrible.
The only thing I rememver about Grandia III is that I got to disc 2 and stopped playing lol. I don’t know how I'll feel about the game now but maybe someday I try it again.
I stopped playing and return the game because of those red bird boss who switched form was just to hard for me to beat.
Baldursgate 3 xD i try and try but i hate all my Partymembers
You can always hire hirelings and never use them.
Is Secret of Evermore considered great? I really got a beef with its alchemy system where you need ingredients to cast magic and it's made worse with the currency-switching and having the need to level-up the spells themselves. It's the only reason why I only played through the game once.
It's not an interesting solution, but you can deal with the magic system by just choosing one spell that has cheap/abundant ingredients and level it to max. I just used a basic fire spell for my playthrough and as far as I remember I never had any issues with elemental resistance or anything like that. My only real issue with the game was that it took ages to charge your weapon so the pace of combat was a slog.
@@jealousagain783 I'll keep that in mind if I somehow decide to play that game again and I'll probably stick with the stone spell (or whatever was the one drops a fist on enemies) since i used that the most.
is Secret of Mana redone by u.s. people
The alchemy spells is interesting, I would apply it to other games
@@abrahamlupis9354 It probably wouldn't be bad in other games as long as it didn't have currency switching or that Final Fantasy 2 style level-ups.
Personally I thought the item collection system in Secret of Evermore was unique, but extremely imbalanced and only the melee weapons and healing/support alchemy were worth building up. Played through a couple times and still have the cart. I would recommend playing it on an emulator with the alchemy rebalance patch that exists nowadays.
BEYOND THE BEYOND. I remember renting the game from blockbuster as a kid. Spent the whole weekend trying to like it, and I just couldn't. It was super generic, and they even pulled the trope of "here's a super powerful character! (Samson) Enjoy! OH! Now he's cursed for most of the game, and he sucks!"
OH man this is sooo funny! FF8 and Legend of Dragoon are the two games that got me into RPG's back in the 90's. They are goated for me just for that haha. Interesting thoughts, thanks for sharing!
I hope they remake FF8...it wasn't the best game or story, but it's what got me introduced to the FF series, as well as listening to the amazing Faye Wong starting with the "Eyes on Me" song, having people comparing other songs to to this very day, such as recently with Aerith's "No promises to keep" in the FF7 remake...although I personally think nothing even comes close to scratching the heals of Faye Wong (sorry Loren Allred, I call it as I see it).
Legend of Dragoon is in the GOAT conversation 😂 how dare you lol
I don't admit this out loud in mixed company, but I'm with you 100% on Dragoon. I had the exact same experience with it when it launched and have been absolutely baffled by its popularity over the decades. I'm often thinking, "Did we play the same game?" I agree with you on all (4/7) of these games I actually played.
Blasphemy! Heresy! A mockery of everything we hold dear!
I HAAAAAAATED Zestiria; but LoD and FF8 are both in my top 5 games of all time lol.
Grandia 3 had a difficult spike that I gave up on because a boss that would switch forms. One thing I do enjoyed from ff8 was I got the diablo summon by using the flash back team that was cool to see I can use the flashback team like that. Legend of dragoon combat was to percie for me like you had to press the button at the exact moment or at less to me that's how it felt. I like the Shadow hearts judgement wheel combat more if I need to play a roulette mini game.
You are absolutely on the money with FFVIII. Literally none of the combat systems or mechanics were ever used in any other game again, ever. Nowadays we know there are ways to break the game to make it playable, but if you have to break the game to enjoy it maybe it’s not very good in the first place.
I’ve never tried any of the DQ monsters games. What’s a good one to start with?
I love the new dark prince one
@@davidvinc cool just wish listed it. Thanks
I have some in this list😅:
- Final Fantasy 4 (i love Final Fantasy but 4 was a chore to finish)
- Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (really like 1 and 3, but i was bored of 2's battle system and after 27 hours i droped it because i wasn't having any fun)
- Yakuza Kiwami (i was loving the story but the fights didn't click with me, i was dying all the time)
- Yokai Watch (the battle system was an imediatly deal breaker for me)
- Chain Echoes (loved everything about this game, but the leveling system made me drop it after 19 hours)
Though I'll recommend Kiwami over the original because of the accessibility and it feeling smoother than the original, I vastly prefer the original because Kiwami's ways of challenging the player felt more questionable lol
Legend of dragoon is not a dumpster fire. Just finished it after playing it on and off and restarting it almost 15 years. Wonderful time spent
I coundn't play Legend Of Dragon either. Must tapping buttons thing in battle on RPG is a torture.
at least isn't fast tapping like the Boost from FF8
I actually agreed with you on every point. I wanted to like each of these games, but felt I was forcing myself to play them.
- Eyuden Chronicles:100 heroes
- Octopath Traveler (I & II) (I have played other games with this style of graphic that I loved, like Triangle Strategy)
-Tales of Zestiria (liked all the other Tales games)
-Brave Default II
-Fire Emblem Engage (liked all other Fire Emblem games)
All great games, all very well loved, and praised, but couldn't play more than 2/3 hours of each (I really tried... I even went back to play these games again several months later). I felt the games either were too boring, too convoluted, too many things to do, etc. Not saying all games had these problems (for me) but yeah... I really, really wanted to like them but wasn't possible.
Zesteria was very flawed. I liked Sorey and Mikleo and... yeah, they were by far the best part. The battle system was very flawed, with many annoying aspects especially when I play these games multiplayer with my brother. Glad I beat it but no desire to play it again.
And FFVIII, yeah, my brother and I played through that for awhile but after going to space, we drifted from it and never went back. Were not really enjoying it.
Relatable, I was also disappointed by DQM on GBA 😂 and I was such a big DQ and DQM fan.
Here are some of my hot takes, because I'm bored sitting in the tub:
1. Crisis Core - Zack's great, but I thought the combat and mission structure were boring.
2. Kingdom Hearts - I actually really like the story 😂 but find the gameplay mindless.
3. Fallout 3 - I do count it as part RPG. Just couldn't get into the brown atmosphere and gun mechanics.
4. Pokemon Legends: Arceus - I'm with most, that the first few hours are addicting. And then the tedium and essay-long, needless dialogue begins. No-one who raved about this game and called it "the new era of Pokemon!" finished it.
5. Bowser's Inside Story - Every game after Superstar Saga got worse.
6. Skyrim - 99% of people who praise this game never finished it. The main quest is so balls, idc what you say, it drives me to drink.
7. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon " " - let's turn Shiren the Wanderer into a 40 hour long 4kids special.
8. YoKai anything - Idgaf about these kids, let me play the game and explore some.
9. Earthbound - I don't hate it, but I direct you to Mother 3.
10. Play a real SMT game (except Persona 3 is pretty awesome aside from the main dungeon)
I completed Arceus and even got the shiny charm. I think it just wasn't for you. IMO way better than any mainline Pokemon that came out after BW, but it's really a "to each his own" type thing.
Fun list! I don’t 100% agree with it (love FF8) but it’s great that we all have different games to connect with. Thanks, David!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I tried like 5 seperate times to get into Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I just couldn't get into it. I didn't like the story, characters or combat.
the characters are hot
I totally agree with Legend of Dragoon, back when I was in high school, it was my favorite, but when I streamed it 2 years ago, I realize it was an awfully slow battle system, and annoying limited items to carry
I watched my friend beat Legend of Dragoon last year. He played it before and had no problem with the button combos or item limits. You're supposed to expend items in a game for use during it is what he told me and games like this one expect you to do that. He also seemed to have no trouble with the add hits to get the increased combos rolling. It's really just taking the time to learn when to time those. Having played FF8 I wish FF9 was on the list. Good story with classic characters but so many side quest things for good equipment that could go wrong I don't want to try playing it. I mean... Who puts in the time to gain Excalibur II?
@@richardklein1167 I finished Legend of Dragoon 3 times, twice back in 2001 and 2002, I have no complain back then maybe because I appreciate all RPGs when I was young, but now, Time is an issue , my age is turning 40
You were right on all of em. I did like suikoden 3 though, even if the 3 scenarios were the same.
I too hate how battle takes so long to start in legend of dragoon in every encounter
FF8 was the first Final Fantasy game I ever owned. I fell in love with it after playing the demo on the demo disc Pizza Hut put out back around late '99. By that point my only real experiences with RPGs were Super Mario RPG, the first Final Fantasy game and Shadowrun for SNES. And then I'd later buy it from PSN when I had my PSP. Now I currently own it for Switch.
In fact, I might even say that Final Fantasy 8 really made an RPG fan out of me.
I don't tolerate this FF8 slander
Haha I actually loved the last three games you hated. When you’re playing RPG, if you have patience, then you’d do well. Legend of dragoon, final fantasy 8, and Legend of Legaia II did that for me. It took a long time to get through those games but I had so much fun.
Some super solid choices here.
I agree with most of them, Legend of Dragoon, Legaia 2, Grandia 3 notably. As for me there are plenty of games that I'd mention. Tales of Xillia and Trails of Cold Steel's entire arc (I was done with Rean and co. after the first like 20 hours of the first game)
aw, you hate Tales of Zestiria :(
In my case Tales of Zestiria is the JRPG that I love the most. It was my first PS3 game and it helped me a lot when I was having a hard time due to personal things. Its world, its story, the characters and especially the landscape, was really beautiful to the point that it really made me fall in love with the series.
During COVID I replayed it and holy God, it really made me forget about ugly things like confinement or the death of some of my relatives due to the disease.
I even recently bought the Berseria to continue haha, but it's too bad you don't like it :(
For me, the RPG I tried to like was Baldur's Gate III. I think the overall writing, characters, and story are great. But the combat just kills it for me. It's not the fact that it's turned-based that kills it for me (I actually love turn-based games), it's how slow battles feel. I know that's sorta the point, but for me, the combat quickly becomes so repetative with how slow everything is. I don't mind weak gameplay if the story is excellent, but this is one game where even the great writing couldn't keep my attention.
Never played Caravan Quest, but I agree with your takes on all six of the other games on the list.
As for my own, I'll vote for the Neptunia series. I only played one of them very early in the series, but I got so bored a couple of hours in. It might be better now, but I was so excited for that game to show up on Gamefly (that's how long ago it was) and it ruined my whole week lmao.
Super Neptunia RPG was pretty fun, as were a few of the spin-off games like Virtual Stars and the Musou-esque games like Blanc vs Zombies and U.
I totally agree with you on Tales Of Zestiria and Suikoden III, I beat Zestiria but I will never play it again, what a chore that final boss was. Suikoden III isn't bad but I don't see how anyone could find it better than Suikoden V, Suikoden V has a much better world and nowhere near as much backtracking to places you've already been, like Suikoden III does.
I remember playing the legend of Dragoon and having a lot of fun, but I can't say I remember anything else, lol I was just a teenager back then, it probably hasn't age very well but will be nice if they remake it
Good list! Honestly games are art and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You should consider a list of games you love but are generally not well regarded!
I agree with David on most of these. Although after playing Suikoden 3 and hating it originally, I gave it another shot and it's now my favorite in the franchise replaying it more than any other. Although I agree with David's gripes, I think the story, music and characters are outstanding and propel it above the others.
Lolz i was the same with zestiria just kept hitting the attack button 😂
while I understand about your gripes about the addition system in legend of dragoon it was seriously one of the best games with good story specially the law city of zenebatos I think no game or at least I've heard of has ever made you make a law inside a game to get access inside a city while it was just a really simple walk and talk through npcs it was really cool you can see the npcs passing their own bill to the legislation area, while most people are wanting a remake of this game I'd rather they make a prequel of the game about the dragon campaign kinda like ff7 crisis core
I honestly like Zesteria, but I sure wish they’d bring back the systems from Graces F
I haaaaated Zestiria. I forced my way through that thing but the battle system and skill system were so convoluted.
I agree with you on almost everything! (And THANK YOU! I’ve tried soooo many times to play “Suikoden III”, but the beginning is SO SLOW! And I never really liked the changes to party number and the systems. But the different viewpoints was cool). I did like “Legend of Dragoon”. But the addition system BADLY needs adjustment. The timing is just too precise & finicky. “FF8”… was my first. My first “FF” game. I wasn’t into JRPG’s yet. (N64 kid here. Except for “FF Legend 1”, I hadn’t played any turn-based games. Then my friend showed me the intro to “FF8”! I still love that intro. Story was… freakin bizarre at points, and I hate the Junction system. But… TRIPLE TRIAD! (Why the frick hasn’t Square made a mobile version of that??? Not some new spin, I want Triple Triad with cards from across “FF’s” history! It is EASY MONEY for SE! 🤦♂️). I was surprised to see a “DQ” game though! 😂
Never ended up finishing FF8 because I leveled to max and couldnt finish it. I love to grind and get over powered and play the game. Couldn’t do it here.
I can't fault you for many on this list. I honestly like caravan hearts, but that may be my idea of a JRPG filtering in, that of grinding, I know not many people like to, but I LOVE to. Ironically, I can't choose between Tales of Zestiria OR Tales of the Abyss, I love the story of Abyss, but it takes SO gosh darn long, and I am annoyed to tears while waiting for stuff to happen, and then MORE stuff to happen, it was the very first JRPG I had to go "Never forcing myself to beat a game I'm bored of ever again". Other notable dislikes from my perspective are the 7 remakes, I hate the button mashing with an attempted at a "tactical" twist, despite knowing that Ys 8 and 9 are button mashers, but I LOVE those two, as well as Final Fantasy 12 where I just don't care about the characters or the battle system.
FF8 needs a remake.
I'd love it to adopt a more conventional levelling system and to have spells drawn once and then equippable to whichever characters support them.
The Junction system would be awesome if they fix the levelling and drawing.
I know most people hate Zestiria, but I really loved it when I played it
Persona 5. It's the only SMT-related game I've played to date, and almost everything about it rubbed me the wrong way. Only aspect I genuinely enjoyed was the combat. Only got about 14 hours in, and after I heard how long the game was I tapped out.
No joke, the length of the game is the reason I haven't tried it. In the time it takes to beat the main story, I could finish Three Houses... Twice.
If you enjoy they combat I'd say try smt 5. The story isn't as good as others in the franchise. But the combat is great. It isn't massively long. I'm in the same boat with persona 5. Love the dungeons and combat. Cannot get into the social Sim aspect.
I did beat and really did enjoy the overall main story arc, but yeah that game could have lost about 30-40 hours of unnecessary BS. Some arcs were just not good at all and just a slog. A game like that also imo should never pass 50 hours. Its a small very tight world with very limited options on what to do day to day. It does get old fast.
Glad I'm not the only one that wasn't an fan of Persona 5. I tried getting into it at full playthroughs and I dropped it about 15 hrs. The pacing was an kill joy. Too much cutscenes & dialog, drawn out battles and the length of the game was ridiculous. That & I don't care about the characters.
I have a few for sure! Legend of Legaia 1 was one of the first RPGs I just dropped halfway. I’ve started Final Fantasy 12 many times and just never get hooked. I grumbled my way through Magical Starsign on DS too.
It's like Infinite Undiscovery. My ex-boyfriend tried to push that on me because HE loved it. I just couldn't get into it - the characters irked me (especially those twins and Capel), and the battle and contol systems hard to master. When I ran from him, I left that game behind, too.
I loved infinite undiscovery, yeah Capel is a bit of a bitch at the start but the other characters are all great and the battle system was brilliant, it's a hidden gem for me that was supposed to get a playstation release but never did because of the reviews from the Xbox version. I loved it though so I'm with your boyfriend 😂. I also liked that it provided a challenge, especially beating it on the hardest mode for a 1g achievement. Your opinion is definitely in the majority though.
Any final fantasy after 9
I'll be honest. I like Tales of Zestiria even if it's a guilty pleasure. I enjoy Sorey, Mikleo and Lailah. Not the others though and I do agree with you on it's faults. The game's got forces comedy in one scene and it feels like having to deal with Edna and Rose in cutscenes are a chore.
at least these games aren't censored unlike modern games for the "modern audiences"
Have I been pronouncing Legaia wrong. I called it le-guy-ah.
I loved FF8. In fact it's my favourite final Fantasy. I guess the fact I never thought to draw 100 spells and get overpowered at the beginning helped me enjoy it. Also Triple Triad 4 Lyf!
Unfortunately for me, Grandia III was my first Grandia. Yeah, it was a grind to get through but I did it and found out later the first two were better.
I think Dragoon has a following mostly due to the story
I was expecting to be typing up a novel of rebuttals but no these are totally fair criticisms. Even FF8, which I consider a really fun game I have to remember "Would have been fun before the internet made you aware of how the leveling/junction system worked?" Perhaps not as much when I was used to so many JRPGs. Thanks for the video!
Fire emblem 3 houses. Tried to play that game on 3 separate occasions. Couldn't make it to the 4hr mark on any of those attempts. Refuse to play a game that feels like a chore rather than a game.
Three Houses feeling like a lot of chores is what made me fall off it as well. The school segments were so repetitive and took forever thanks to it being a fully explorable environment, even with the skip travel points.
I've fully playthrough once I can't do it again though because you can't skip to the time skip at all so I understand a little.
There's a lot I want to say, and I don't know where to begin, so this is going to look unorganized.
I turned against you when you said you didn't like LoD I LOVED IT!!!!!!! LoD is a MASTERPIECE!! I LOVED the story! There are HUGE Shamalayan-level twists that make it replayable.. The second time you play through it, you think, "Why didn't I see that?" (It's hard to talk about the twists without giving away spoilers.) Then there's the combat system. I like the additions system. The amount of damage you did to an enemy wasn't determined by the RNG gods. If you didn't do as much damage as you wanted, it was probably your own fault for not hitting the additions. Some additions were hard, yes, but some were easy, and you didn't have to finish the hardest additions for the characters. You could stay at the hardest one you could do and just go from there. I kinda liked that almost all the characters were useful except for one. Kongol was completely useless, and I like that the useless character was utterly and totally useless. It made deciding what your party would look like a little less stressful because there was always one character you would never use. It had one of the best final boss experiences of any game ever. The final boss had multiple forms, and it was head and shoulders harder than any other encounter in the game. That's the way you do it. I turned against you when you said you hated it because one of its big fan boys is typing right now.
I turned back to you when you said you hated Final Fantasy VIII. I agree with you that it was the WORST of the series. The junction system was needlessly complex, the stroy was vomit-inducingly mushy, level grinding did no good, and it had one of the WORST protagonists ever! We're supposed to LIKE Squall? No! I don't understand why FF VIII has any fans, or why it's defended. Worst of the series. I agree with you there.
There are some games that I didn't like:
Xenogears: The story was convoluted, level grinding did no good for your gear, it was too linear with only a few useless side quests at the end, the platforming parts gave me a huge headache, and disc two was too story-heavy with little game play.
Earthbound: Grindy as all hell. An uninteresting story. Preachy religious theme at the end. Not for me at all.
Final Fantasy XII: Uninteresting story about bad guy empire. Everyone could do everything system where it didn't matter what character you used because it mattered more what job class you assigned to them. I feel like this game was not linear ENOUGH. It was sometimes unclear just what in the heck you were supposed to be doing, and while there was a big world to explore, one wrong turn could make you end up in a place you weren't supposed to be and get game overed by super strong enemies. It has its fans, but I'm not one of them.
I haven't played all these games, but I will comment on the ones I have or have an opinion on.
- Suikoden 3, I think you have approach with the right attitude. If you're expecting more of the same as Suikoden 1 and 2, then you will not enjoy it. They took alot of risks, and sure not all of them worked out as well as one would hope, but there's alot they got right and unfortunately they threw the baby out with the bath water for Suikoden 4. (Basically made a more watered down version of Suikoden 1.) The skill system added alot of depth to the game, and made characters crazy powerful. The trinity sight system was a good idea, as this game takes advantage of the massive cast, as you have far more reason to use multiple characters rather than just stick to your favorite six and bench the rest. Due to 3D graphics being a new thing, this game suffered for it, as they reuse the same areas too much, and it made the combat clunkier to have characters paired together since they had a harder time to make the AI work, but I feel it added alot to the experiences having characters have more attributes which factored into the skill system. I'd love to see another game take the parts of what Suikoden 3 got right, and lean into them rather than regress the series as they did. I still really like Suikoden 3 as I replayed after making perfect saves of 1 and 2 , then made Chris lvl 99 to max out everything.(It takes alot to repeat.) I love you can win every battle, even the ones you're suppose to lose or run from. I can get people who didn't like it as I was expecting to be a bigger better game like S2 was for part 1, but once I let myself enjoy the game I did have, I had way more fun with it.
- Final Fantasy 8, Yes, this game sucks. The game is a bimbo, nice to look at, but has nothing of substance. The story is just weird for the sake of weird, even amoung other final fantasy games. Was like they threw 4 stories into a meatgrinder, and gave us this story sausage. The combat and conjunction system is all wacky, as they turn gaining lvls into a bad thing. You basically need to know this or you can get stonewalled late in the game if you aren't prepared to tackle the end. Magic is hoarded and used for stats which drawing is super boring. I watched both my roommates at the time play thru it, and I never felt the desire to pick up and play the game myself. I was good. Just watching them play it passively told me everything I needed to know. If this game had any redeeming qualities I would started playing it myself after being bombarded with it for hundreds of hours. I've played the majority of FF games and beaten them. I am content to not waste my time on it directly.
- Legend of Dragoon , another rpg my roommates play the crap out. I picked it up as a greatest hits I tried play it, but the combat was too involved as makes every encounter a chore. My middle brother gave it a shot but he lost interest quickly too. Like FF 8 both these games got by on their visuals but didn't give the player much else.
- Legend of Legaia 2 , I bought fairly cheap and let sit in my backlog for awhile. I got hurt at work, and dislocated my left arm. I was off work for like a month, and couldn't do much. So I decided play a Jrpg since I could do it slowly or with one hand. I grabbed Legaia 2 and went through it in my time off. I enjoyed it thought was a decent game. I think the super moves could stop having the names flash before you perform them as it zooms in and stops the action everytime you do them, making combat take longer than it needs to. (The first game only showed certain super moves names or the first time you learned an attack.) I had alot of time on my hands so i didn't get too worked up over the slower pace. (I also power grinded midway thru. There's a forest that had enemies you weren't supposed to face yet as a way to keep you from going thru it. I'd stay by the door then I'd fire off all my best spells and kill them then run back to the inn. Rinse and repeat. They were super fast exp. I was probably on a much higher lvl making the game way easier.) That said it's fun beating the holy hell out of enemies with stupidly long combos, particularly the bosses as you know they might survive a couple attacks from you so you go all out. It's shame the series stopped, as I liked the core aspects of the combat system, and think another rpg needs lift ideas from it in the future. I can see how someone might not have enjoyed it(especially with Maya being unable to fight for first chunk of the game, which combat kinda of the selling point of the game.)but I'd say it's a C+ or B- game. I've played much much worse. (Unlimited Saga makes all these games seem like gold by comparison.)
Oh man, Legaia 2 - what a flashback!
Usually always agree with you, bummed suikoden 3 is here. Your points are valid but loved learning about the grasslands and Luc's plight abd realizations.
Never heard of Caravan Heart. huh. EDIT: Losing HP as you step because of hunger reminds me more of western RPGs like the old Exile trilogy for the Mac. I agree that's super annoying. lol
I LOVE LOVE ff8.
But I have to agree, the leveling is bonkers.
When I was younger and didn't yet know to make separated saves, I got perma stuck inside Lunatic Pandora at the beggining of CD4. I couldn't get out and Adel would savagely kick my ass instantly 😂
I still love the game, its story and characters, but the gameplay... Uhhhhhhh
Legend of Dragoon for me it was decent, it wasn't THAT good but it did have some notable moments for me (Mostly Lavitz related and that "law city") . However, I felt the final battle REALLY shat the bed, we get an encounter with multiple forms and cool conceptual transitions, yet...the music doesn't change despite it fading out and in between transformations, that really killed the mood IMO. The OST was also just... ok with some gems like the Menu theme and a couple of towns thems, but battle music was pretty lacking IMO.
Baulder's Gate on that fact that it's alright, nothing too spectacular. Really I don't have a game like that, I tend to see the good in a game and enjoy that.
If this was rpgs no matter quality, Fragrant Story hands down.
I love FFVIII but completely agree with everything you said. It makes me sad they didn't put effort in across the board, but that's always been Square's problem.
The only good thing about Legaia 2 was the combo system. It reminded me of Xenogears
I agree with you on Tales of Zestiria and FF8. FF8 has good characters, but the story did not engage with me. The whole time travel narrative really does your head in. The draw system is very tedious and just not a great magic system. It's cool how you can pair them to your stats, but drawing magic in every battle is not fun. Zestiria too had problems with its convoluted equipment system and the way combos work. Other RPGs I feel the same way about are Persona 2 Innocent Sin, Infinite Undiscovery, and FFXIII: Lightning Returns.