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Chael Sonnen talks UFC 247 main event, UFC Champion Jon Jones vs Dominick Reyes on this episode of Beyond the Fight.
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“Now. One judge had it 4-1 Jon Jones. That is fiction”
😂😂😂😂
You god damn right it is. I was proud of REYES and excited as a fan.
Wheezing😂😭
Frank Bishop Jones winning 3-2 is fiction. The fake accounts here for Jones are Stunning.
Reyes got robbed
Since Jon has been the longtime champ you gotta give him the benefit of a doubt in a close fight like this was. That being said, Everyone knows Reyes landed more, so in their next fight Jon shouldn't get the nod if the fight goes the same way. Jon saved energy for too long and needs to match Reyes' output if he wants to win next time, and there WILL be a next time
@@ProtectoroftheRealm I felt the same way until I realized it was old rules. Part of round 2 and up jones always moved forward and controlled the ring. Rewatch it. Thats how he won. New rules Reyes won this. Blame texas. I was as outraged as you my friend. But take this into account and rewatch it. You will see how jones got this. This 4-1 jones shit is insanity lol. I still say the 3rd is questionable too. But him being the champ they always give them the edge. New rules rematch Reyes is the new champ and this fight needs to happen.
chael sonnen has beef with jon jones but still has the heart to give him his respect...for that i say chael sonnen is the real champ.
Donovan S then chael won the fight?
Of course he's the real champ. He's undefeated. Made Tito tap like a bitch.
Haha as if Chael has ever lost his belt
And lost the fight to JJ just out of respect. Real, undisputed, undefeated champion
@@TonecrafteLuthiery He never lost a round
Ariel: it’s officially ruled a slip, I think it was a knockdown
Chael: it’s officially ruled a knockdown, I think it was a slip
What do you think it was
Modest89 It was a combination of both, but really he lost his footing.
He threw a kick and got intercepted with a body punch and caught him off balance. He was on one leg kicking when he got hit and just fell quickly.
@@302QuestSwap that's how I seen it as well
In my opinion if he has both feet down he stumbled backwards but doesn’t go down. So I think it was a slip... also thought Reyes won though. Not obviously though. Thought it was close.
Modest89 I’m too emotional still to make that call
Until MMA gets a nailed down set of unified rules, that all judges understand and that are applied by all commissions, we will continue to get results that are divisive.
I don't see it happening. The new unified rules are pretty concise honestly. But the judges ability to follow it, not so much. The judge who have the 49-46 card justified it with "octagon control" which by the unified rules is only used when both strikes and takedowns are tied. Which they never were in that fight. And the UFC won't be able to survive as a brand if they attempt to remove individual states abilities to have their own athletic commissions. And I mean there's already mass ammounts of rumors of "fixed fights" and the UFC controlling results with the system now where refs, cutmen, and judges are independent of the UFC.
@@Nyarlarthotep9 the UFC doesn't have to control the athletic commissions in every state to insist they all follow the same rules. You can't have an international fighting league where every different location gets to make up their own rules, that's obviously dumb. You can't expect athletes to compete properly when they're not competing under a consistent set of rules. That doesn't work, and it will never work.
Daniel Lehr that was a fake account btw, didn’t actually belong to that judge.
I think you mean *divisive
@@andresvelasco2767 Phone autocorrect ha ha, yes i do.
Tony Ferguson's the type of guy who scores the judges after he fights
wonder how he would score the judge who gave 4 rounds to jones. i think a couple elbows to the head from tony would be a good judgement for that guy.
Tony Ferguson is going to get his ass kicked stfu
@@JJehoich fuck you Joe Johnson
@@JJehoich nah
@@JJehoich ok ok ok, im gonna stfu and Tonys gonna lose... Will that cheer you up? Dork.🙊
“I cant let you get close”-the judges to dominic reyes
😂😂😂
BRUHHHHHH😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭
I don't get it. What am I missing?
@@lachlanbell8390 it's a reference to when Chael had a scuffle with wanderlai silva when they were coaching the ultimate fighter years ago lol.... Watch the video
@@lachlanbell8390 just type in, "Chael Sonnen I can't let you get close"
Chael: “No one with a longer reach walks a guy down”
Tony Ferguson: “Are we pretending now?”
and holloway, mcgregor, adesanya, nate diaz, darren till, zabit, the list goes on
He meant a guy with a long reach DOESN'T NEED to walk a guy down
Sunroop Sandhu- Holloway is taller but he doesn’t technically have a long reach.. in fact he has quite a short reach for his height
@@sunnys7645 And Stylebender doesn't walk people down, he snipes them.
@@liammorgans7329 for his height yes his reach isn't great, but for his weightclass its decent and he outreaches his opponent most of the time
"Here's my location you little fewl, RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU"
- USADA to Jon right after the fight
Jones doesn't have to worry about USADA anymore, he's clean now.
You can tell because he can't finish a fight to save his life.
@@lachlanbell8390 literally finished a fight 2 fights ago....awks
@@mrbeanz1984 Pico gram was still in his system.🤣
mr beanz you mean the last time he popped hot and they literally uprooted and moved a PPV for him when other dudes got 2 year suspensions for the exact same thing?
@@lachlanbell8390 Jones dominated Smith 5-0 and 4-1 Santos. I mean no one else does that and 3-2 to Reyes. Your just a hater waiting for the goat to fall
Dominick Reyes: I landed more significant hits, dodged jones' fingers towards my eyes, shrugged of multiple takedowns, inflicted more damage and won 3 out of 5 rounds!
Chael Sonnen: Ok Great!
U forget he had to fight against the judges too with the Texas rules....
Get over it its done
inflicted more damage how?? by breaking his nose on jones fist? by bashing jones' foot with his face? by getting elbowed and having a cut gush blood that required stitches?
@@TacoMaster07 Right, the only guy to really bust Jon up was Gus.
@@TacoMaster07 Jon Jones can't even speak properly in the octagon interview because of them body shots.
Is noone gonna compliment Jones head movement . Dude was on a swivel.
knogface exactly showing the ability to dodge punches like he was should be considered too. Jones won it
Yeah his head definitely got hit much more than he hit Reyes 😂
@@Montoya1991 right... And Dom hand hands, but anytime he went for the kill Jones slipped it off. For the record I don't think Jones won the fight.
Are you on crack, he got lit up. Anyone who though Jones won is the biggest dick rider in history or a casual bum.
@@robinhoodz3897 hence why I said I don't think Jones won. But hey it's ok bud... Breath
Tony “I think I took rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 against Jon and Dom” Ferguson
Chael prides himself on the fact he broke Jon Jones’s toe in their fight 😭
THE REAL DIRTY DAN would’ve been champ 🤷🏽♂️
😂😂😂😂
Chael Sonnen won that fight! unseen doctor stoppage, TKO (Toe Knock Out)
Jones broke his own toe
He licked to hard!
Jones shoutout to jesus christ before the fight finally paid off , he changed the names on the score card, just like everyone else , i too thought 49-46 was gonna be followed by and new
It should have.
I will say Reyes was the largest underdog almost ever against Jones so a lot of bets were in. Probably some worth upwards of millions. Mr. Joe Soleiz I think is the refs name. Possible he was paid a mill to save the casinos from paying about 200 mill
@@evanodum563 considering Danas old business partners own the Palms Casino im not surprised.
@@evanodum563 dont work that way pretty sure more money would be made If dom won as I'm sure 90%+ of the bets were on jon to win.. sure those few dom payouts would be nuts but nothing crazy
Somehow someway James harden was fouled in that fight
g money lmao. Funny comment bro
U tried
Poker Beast you failed
Jones would like harden eyes out, their ref influence would be tested
Lmfao
Never been the same since the bad guy nearly took his toe as a trophy.
master steeler Wait what lmao
adam hags ohhh thank you lmfao
It is kind funny that Jones still has to tape that toe up. He didn't just break it. He broke it OFF.
@adam hags after fighting Chael? They discovered it between rounds, Chael simply glared at Jon and mangled his limbs like a voodoo doll.
Jones big toe was so jacked, it shocked him during the octagon interview, dude almost passed out. Shows how strong Chael’s body was.
Let’s get this straight, Reyes should have won the fight but let’s not forget the fact that volkan beat Reyes and everyone thought Reyes lost that fight aswell, bad calls go both ways for everyone.
Yes. We NEED a fix for this broken system of scoring/judging!
Robbery for robbery lool
Reyes didn't deserve the belt yet
@@qislegit.donttrustthemedia6232 The system isnt great, but it works... As long as they fix the judges. The Krause fight Krause had the guys back for minutes round 1 and almost submitted him. 1 late reversal at the very end and Krause lost that round and a split decision. Same card btw. Same shit judge.
@@lalhriatkimadochhil6046 Reyes is 30 and "the future" though so he will have another chanc.... wait... Hes 30? Thats not the future like everyone is saying. The future is 20-25 right now. Reyes wont get the belt from Jon in a rematch. Jon now knows how to beat him.
Bones with a masterclass in defense. Most of Reyes "Significant" Strikes were blocked, parried or rolled off shoulders. Which is to say nothing of Jones head movement making him whiff entirely.
Check out the breakdown by the weasel. Lots landed. He does frame by frame breakdowns.
@@Superman54 Huh never heard of him but I'll def check that out. Thanks for the protip
Guess you missed the upper cut that knocked every beed of sweat off jons body and snapped his head almost off
Reyes vs Santos to determine who gets their rematch first, personally think Santos wins that one
in the meantime Jon fights Anderson
This is a really good idea
As long as Corey gets through Jan, which he should be able to do
how far off is Santos from being able to enter camp?
only disagreement is that Santos beats Reyes, regardless that is a great fight.
And when does Jones start thinking retirement? last two fights were very close and looking at a rematch with one of them...
No, keep them away for now, it makes the division more interesting having two legitimate contenders
Jones lost to santos and reyes he should have to rematch both of then especially because santos tore 4 different ligaments in his knee he easily wins that fight if that dont happen he should fight Santos then reyes they both already beat him
Anderson kos jon in rd1 Fight ends. They raise jons hand n say jones wins by ko! Then show scorecards that already have 10-9 for jon rd 1,2,3,4, and5
Well Jones historically does a lot better in rematches. Thats fact.
i don't know about Santos recovery process, I do think he beats Reyes, because Reyes was apparently carried by Dana White after the fight and I think we all can agree that Santos kicks way harder and faster than Jones, just look at these crazy leg kicks vs Jones, Jones was carried out of the Octagon. Reyes is still a a better striker technical-wise but Santos just goes off when he lands on you.
Don't think he'll retire anytime soon, he still seems to me that he's not operating at 100%
I don't think he lost to Santos, because after the Knee buckled Jones was the better man
Reyes depends on how you judge a fight, there a lot of people who still think Jones won, e.g. Conors Coach.
But both fights give the UFC one job to come up with their own Scoring system which should be used everywhere, because atm all the different commissions have their own system, that's why there is a lot of controversy surrounding some fights.
i do think, if a more likable Guy like DC would've been in Jones' place, there would be still some controversy about the fight, but not as much Jones isn't the most liked Fighter and many want to see him lose
I love Chael man, so well-spoken and articulate. Keep killing it.
What a fight. Great analysis Chael.
Whats stunning to me is how the judges thought that Jones won any of the 1st three rounds
Yup i was legit stunned reyes lost
first 2*
bro, i promise you... re watch the fight and turn your volume down..... just watch the fight with no commentary and you will see that round 2 and 3 were both coin flip rounds......... the commentating leaves a bias toward reyes..... the second round was razor close......
Take away that body shot knockdown from round 2 that everyone thought was a shot to Jones head and round 2 looks a bit different. I rewatched the fight a couple times now. Its different every time I watch it almost in rounds 2 and 3
elevatedmind Exactly! Cause I personally thought Jon edged out that 3rd round and won the last two for sure
Most impressive feat in fighting. Jon Jones has never lost the 5th round.
Another interesting stat. Jon fought in CA when he was scheduled to fight in Vegas. Both quite impressive for opposite reasons.
I find it funny that ppl keep saying Reyes was running away(even though Reyes was outlanding Jones when he was backing up) when Jones LITERALLY turned around and sprinted accros the octagon to get away from Reyes several times 😂
Black people say that they on jons dick
It’s like people forget that completely didn’t happen lol
Blacks barely watch the UFC. Get the BBC out your mouth bitch. Real world shit to deal with. No time to worry about another man's battle when we have our own.
16yaşında bi adam and white people are salty that black guys are running the game 🤣🤣 Jones, adesayna, usman
Jon still controlled the octagon the whole time.
I think if it was a REAL, ROUND-LESS fight Jon Jones would’ve eventually found a way to kill him. He’s tenacious 😂
I agree that to kill one who has a killer instinct you have to flat out kill him metaphorically seeking just doing enough vs Jones caliber of fighter is not what the judges want to see and a ko of Jones would made the belt sweeter ×5.
I don’t 🤷🏼♂️
Dom woulda kicked his face off when he knocked him on the ground.
But it's not and he lost.
Useless arguemnt. What next? If jones hold a gun he will win too?
civilized discussion nah. Jones won without the gun so
Chael: "Dominic had a knockdown in the first round that's official. Well I don't agree, I think it was a slip"
Ariel: "They didn't score it as a knockdown, I don't understand why was it not scored as a knockdown"
Weird G: I'm an idiot
Richard Jackson: i'm autistic
it was a push down more than a knock down. Tell me any fight where someone goes down to a straight to the body in the first round.... never happened in my knowledge and I've been watching fights for 14 years now. Cro Cop had the ability to land a heavy kick to the mid section and put them down but that is the only person and it was never a fist always a kick. I think it was scored properly well sorta lol. 3-2 jones. I watched it like 5 times and I initially thought it was 2,4,5 jones. after watching I think Reyes won round 2 but I think that round 3 was won by Jon octagon control, brief take down, and there was no big difference in strikes. Regardless one hell of a fight!
@@himynamesgod2163
How about Reyes vs Jones ? It happened there !
@@elibertoeliberto7778 It was not counted as a knock down. But a slip. It has a poor camera angle but at the end of that round or the fight when they go through the highlights you can see Jon going for a kick meaning he was on one foot and getting hit in the stomach which made him fall it was not in any manner a knock down.
Chael... your the dude!!!! I always want to hear what you’re saying you just keep it real your feelings are not in it you just call it how you see it and your insight is like wow!!! Ur da dude!!!!!
I’ve recently just stumbled on this channel.. I’ve always had a ton of respect for Chael... great fighter and very intelligent... also very interesting and can host great conversation... guy has a lot of talent for sure 👍... he could actually move up to much greater things , and I’m sure will succeed at anything he applies himself to... lots of respect for this man👍
“He was knocked, he did go down” I’m so alive 😂😂
Jon is just so hard to land clean on he makes excellent fighters look sloppy. Such a great performance by both guys. Reyes has a solid argument but he should have pushed a little more in rd 2 or 3 OR do what he said he was and knock out the champ. Here's the worst part, no way he wins the rematch. Sorry bud.
No way he wins the rematch lol??? Oh you're also one that believes jones does better in rematches even tho his only had 2 rematches and in both those rematches his popped for steroids? That was reyes 1st time going 5 rounds if anyones coming back harder the 2nd fight its reyes not Jones.
I am, I think based what we've seen in the octagon Jon is just better in rematches, that's a valid point. I think Reyes will also go harder and work on his pacing in a 2nd fight, but I can't see him ever beating Jon Jones now
Na it’s what’s next for Reyes screw Jon he shouldn’t have picked that win up
No, Reyes has to beat the champ not edge him .everyone knows that, u sound very casual right now
@@pokerbeast6402 you're a bum. Get a job loser
@@pokerbeast6402 you sound very stupid. If it was khabib vs conor and conor won first 3rounds rock khabib multiple times even at the start of the 4th you morons would cry robbery
@@pokerbeast6402 He did beat the champ, 3rds to 2... lol
The same way Jones has beat numerous people in decisions. Hence, why there no shame in it, that's just part of the game. Otherwise, there'd be no points awarded, no need to score a 5rd champion bout...
Considering JJ won rounds 3 4 and 5...Yeah it is about JJ
What’s beautiful between rivalries in MMA is that the opponents may not like each other on a personal level, but they still respect the skills that one another bring to the table.
Even if u give Reyes the extra points or the round advantage to beat the champ and take away his or her belt you have to significantly overpower them by KO or TKO or have them tap out...Close fights usually arent given to the title challenger....A significant defeat is required to win the belt.
The Jones/Reyes result might only serve to prove your point as to how people (though hopefully not judges) see it, but...
that's not how the scoring system is set up to work, that is simply the error of human emotion/logic entering into things.
Logically speaking, shouldn't the onus be on the champion to do enough to win given their holding of the esteemed title as a champion?
Yeah. But that mentality is shit. Like its fine for a fan, but not a judge. When that cage closes no one is champ that belt is up for grabs. Any other 5 round fight if one fighter wins 3 rounds and the other wins 2 the fighter who won 3 rounds wins. Returning basketball champs layups aren't worth 3 points because their champs. And round 4 or 5 shouldn't be worth more than rounds 1-3. Fights are fights they should be judged the same regardless of the combatants. You know what you should have to do to win the belt? Win the fight. And the judge who gave jones 4 out of 5 rounds needs his judging card pulled.
@@avathar53 ...Interesting points but I am actually speaking from the judges perspective...or from a practical standpoint...Im no expert but from many years of watching UFC it seems that this trend is not an anomaly and close fights that have the title on the line are often given to the champion not the challenger...so it seems the judges have been scoring fights this way...If you think about it its only in non title fights were close to call situstions sometimes get an unexpected challenger hand raised...Title fights have stricter scoring standards for the challenger to meet if they are to walk away with the belt.
The great one has finally spoken.
was anyone at the last video like "I have to go to sleep oh whats this" and is now here?
Thank god you're back. I forgot how dark and empty my life is if Uncle Chael doesn't upload a video everyday.
The reason Jon Jones don't quit is because he's a YOUNGER brother to 2 monsters. He decided a long time ago he ain't taking no shit. He's used to losing an to keep going it's part of who is is. He's alluded to this whenever he speaks about his brothers. Have you seen the size of em?
1:45 oh stop it Chael, Reyes did say what he did that Jon hasn’t seen before.. play baseball and football.
Don't forget he's a chef too
Both of Jon's brothers are NFL players
Daniel Phipps but Jones wasn’t................
@@danielphipps4271 And hets dominated by them lol
@@danielphipps4271 my mother is a surgeon, my father is an engineer.... i been to their jobs alot of times, ive read some books...... Do you think i Qualify for either?? Lmao smh.... just because his bros were mediocre NFL players doesnt mean Jons is one too.
Chael is a genius, very credible.. you should be judging these fights
Dame I think he would probably judge the non productive takedowns as significant and the dominant striking numbers as less important being that kind of fighter himself.
Aleksander Szymanowski thats fine never said anything wrong with the decision but 49-46 is not good.. not good at all.
I've been waiting on your breakdown.
Been waiting for this since Sunday
It’s kinda sad how badly ppl wanted jones to lose
Even more sad how badly the judges fought for him to win. Subtract the difference and that still out ways any of our desires🤷🏾♂️
I remember watching the old UFCs and they displayed the criteria the judges are looking for, they don't do that anymore
They did. You are just blind
they do it at the beginning of the card if im not mistaken
@@richardsmith5803 They do still but not the same outline for dummies they used to lay out.
Gotta Love uncle Chael. Nice analysis as always!
Great video
I may be the only one here that thought Jones won rounds 2,4,5 but hey, I'm not an expert.
You’re not alone
I had it the same way and I thought Reyes only clearly won round 1. I thought Jones clearly won rounds 4 and 5 imo. 2 and 3 were a toss up. 3-2 Jones imo
I agree. 2, 4 & 5 to Jones. Very close fight indeed. Reyes had an edge in the boxing. Jon's kicks, octagon control and takedowns were the difference. Reyes fought in spurts too whereas Jones didn't slow down at all.
Same here. I think round 2 was similar to the Conor vs Nick 2 fight where Conor and Jones had control of the fight the majority of the time but people think the other guy won that round because the other guy was more explosive at the end of the round but if you consider everthing that happen, Jones/Conor actually won that round.
This is was reyes gets for "winning" that fight to volkan. He gets to lose a fight he won.
I agree but he outclassed jon. Jon was hopeless his 'takedown' made me laugh
Had forgotten about that. Goes both ways i guess
@richard smith.....thanks i just went and watched the volkan fight and it looked like volkan won that.....so i guess now the tables are turned
I disagree but that’s hilarious thank you
@Tupac Nation go and rewatch round number 2..
No sound, no commentary..
Reyes maybe didnt win that round..
I gave it to reyes.. I gave 48 47 reyes..
But then i rewatched round no 2.
I advise you to do the same..
Pay attention at how many punches reyes missed, how many landed..
I think Reyes did land a bunch of power shots but I will offer you this. If you re-watch that fight as if Jones is just a fighter and not the legend he is, I think you'd be suprised how much we overreact to some of these shots that both Santos and Reyes land, and how much of them actually land clean.
I’m pretty sure Chael Sonnen has the best & most accurate explainations of all time.
Reyes won rounds 1 an 2 round 3 was technically sound and could have went either way but i didn't like how Reyes gased out sn actually started to run late in the fight.. he could have stood an engaged more in the 4th for 5th
my Infinity round 3 was a draw in my book
Tupac Nation he was barely throwing in the 5th lol and round 4 only had a couple shots in the beginning then lost the rest of the round. If there was another round to the fight he would get walked through by Jones
Aydin M I feel the same way. The 3rd round was really ambiguous.
Casual fans opinion, jones did nothing first 3 rounds and took many many shots. Of course your going to gas out if you put the pace on in the first 3. Use your head.
Bro, you can't just keep up a fast pace forever. Reyes was way more active for the first three rounds. That's why he had less energy in the 4th and 5th. Same thing that happened to Conor vs. Floyd, Conor came on strong, and Mayweather was just steady, and then picked up the pace in round 7ish. It's not rocket science. You could easily make the same argument, but for Jones. You could easily say I don't like how Jones came out slow. Plus it's not like Reyes was gassed, he was still active, Jon just had more energy.
If this was something like masvidal vs usman in the exact same result and performance then there would not be such an uproar, it's just people want jones to lose so badly. It was very close and neither dominated or took major damage.
If Johnes didn't walked forward all the time it would have looked much clearer that he landed less strikes.
@@mpeg2000 I mean landing more strikes doesn't mean you win. and also Jon landed the only takedowns of the fight, even if it was only a minute of control. neither won decisively so JJ retains his belt
@@lawrencemerriman8768 BS excuses. He got pieced up for 3 rounds. He got takedowns in rounds he won already and they weren't effective takedowns at all. He lost but the judges gifted him the decision
Chael the company man doing what he does best.
What is next for Jon jones ?
It was a good fight.
@Whitemana88 I agree it was slow.
It was a good rigged fight.
@Whitemana88 they arr LHWs ffs. go watch flyweights bc those 2 LHWs are some of the faster LHWs
Whitemana88 wow
A casual in his natural environment
Hell Yeah! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'he was knocked, and he did go down, but it wasn't a knockdown' 😆
Casuals🤦
yea, I just stop watching right there
He's on one here.
It was a trip, and those are never counted as a knock down in any fight.
Donald Rogan A trip off of Dominic Reyes left hand?
Chael is a class act for this video
Lotsa boxers with longer reach move forward! I feel dirty correcting Unky Chael!
The review we have all been waiting for🙏
Totally agreed. I was more impressed by Jon's will to win than by Reye's aggression during the fight! ❤
Man oh Man! I really do enjoy listening to Uncle-C’s personal insights of competition.
Even when he is playing the role of company man. As he would say, “ to the highest of levels “.
#companyman
Dominick Reyes is the new Light Heavy Weight Champion.. He will prove it again in the rematch
It was officially not a knockdown Uncle Chael
Nogueira Karát yeah it was a slip officially right?
Yessir
@@jmn1238 round was scored 10 9
There you go..
Uncle Chael ruled it a knockdown means it was a knockdown buddy! 😒😠
Ishaan .P I ain’t your buddy guy
Thanks Sonna for not dragging him thru the mud
Great analysis Chael, as always. Love the way Jon GAVE Jon's self a-chance-to-win,
and when Jon didn't have Jon's A-Game. Plus Dominick's a very hard dude to gauge,
was absolutely on top of Dominick's game - be interesting to see the adjustments
in a possible rematch.
.
" It was a knock and he was down, but it wasn't a knockdown" -
Pfft...Reyes won that fight.And remember this was the 1st time Reyes fought a 5 round fight.He may of lost the last 2 rounds but he WON the fight...What a shame..unreal..smh..
NIKKII SIXX he didn’t round 3 was a draw, got taken down, got pressured whole fight. And if the fight continued for even a round more jones would finish him, Reyes was gassed
M.J. Green doesn’t matter if he got back up, it’s still a takedown. It drained the fuck out his gas tank and should count. Fight should’ve been a draw at worst or Jon win
M.J. Green I’ve seen people use that argument, and then still say santos beat jones, so obviously there is some bias, on all sides for every ones
@@aydin7266 no.. Round 2 was closer than round 3...round2 was a draw
Chael, It was evident that Reyes used Jones forward pressure as part of his game plan.
Chael “He did get knocked, He did go down” Sonnen
1- reyes
2 - jj
3- toss up
4- jj
5-jj
Mfs get caught up in flurries where 1 of 6 punches land or graze jj. Every time combos come everybody gets excited like bruh he missed tho. They were showing slow mo reyes highlights of him missing Jones lmao just rewatch it i promise u you'll end up being closer to 4-1 Jones
@C.H.A.D Bravo I actually had a similar score
1) Reyes
2) Toss up/JJ edge
3) Toss up/ Reyes edge
4) JJ
5) JJ
Reyes only had one decisive round imo Jones had 2. and if u made me score a 10-9 must system on the fight I'd have to say 3-2 Jones.
Furthermore, for future reference, I think the champ rounds should count as 1.5 points/rounds and there should be real time scoring so a fighter knows if hes up or down
If you think round two went to Jones you are on crack.
Jones fan boy here. Only muppets saying this shite. Every single podcaster, commentators Internet all say reyes won 3-2
If it is a toss up it could be 49-46 jones. So although Reyes doesn’t deserve i think most people can agree that Jon Jones could have won 2, 3, 4 and 5 and Reyes also could have won 2 and 3. Just because Reyes deserves to not have a 49-46 I could agree with that scorecard
@C.H.A.D Bravo ikr 😅. Tbh 1st watch i gave 1-2 to reyes and 3rd was the toss up. 2nd and 3rd watch all those shots you thought reyes had were missing or getting blocked and bones was landing flush. Every punch seemed to hit the target.
Jones vs Reyes was a great fight I hope they make the immediate rematch.
Why did it end abruptly
@4:30 Style Bender backs up?
Chapel has to be the best person to bring to an escape room.
Who is chapel?
Who are you talking about? Lol
was this comment supposed to go on another video? lol
Whether you think Jon won or lost, one thing you can't say is there's anyone out there who can convincingly put him away.
Agree, jons chin stays on point
Maybe in his weight class lolol
Iron Mike ngannou kos him if hes improved his td defense the way he needs to
*in 205 of course 😂
A slip is when you go to the ground without an outside force. He went down because of the punch when he was off balance not because he fell without an outside force.
Chael hits it on the nail on this one. No one with the longer reach walks the opponent down. Jones always fights best off the back foot. In the first Gus fight he walked forward and got countered. In the Santos fight he walked forward and got countered, in this fight he did the same. Jones is at his best when his opponent pressures him, and especially if they’re aggressive while doing it.
Jones arguably lost his last two matches. He’s hasn’t been the same after being clean.
They never are
Nah bitch Reyes just good fuck you
He's also been the #1 LHW for a long time.
Jason w he’s also cheated to obtain that
Stfu lol Jon Jones was dirty two fights with levels so low it didn’t matter
If they do the rematch I hope it's asap so Jones has less time to adapt his game. He murders guys in the rematch so.....
@Jeremy Stillwell
.....so Reyes is 2 years younger than Jones. Anthony Smith was 1 year younger than Jones and a year older than Reyes. And Gustafson is the oldest with a whole 3 years on Reyes. Where does this mentality that Reyes is a kid come from? He's 30 not 23. I get it DC is 40, but that doesn't make Reyes younger.
Murder
Age is not the problem with 1-2 years difference. It's creativity. Jon is not improving.
New World Grover it’s clear he’s been a defensive fighter the last 2 fights, he’s tryna go home injury free to his family and shit
Daniel Lehr Why do I feel like this is a math problem from a school book?
For Chael respecting Jones while he doesn't like him hats off to him
I agree with you Chael.
Tony Ferguson’s the type of student that sends his teacher to the principles office
Never leave it to the judges why wont people learn this?
Jon Jones is not someone who gets knocked out.
@@Thebigredmachine22 than prepare to take that L.
@@Pavan-jn8ed i'm sure his thinking of that right now to late to go back in time tho.
That's stupid. Judges should be competent in there job if not then wtf are they doing in this sport fire them.
ihavetubes It doesnt matter, a win is a win, and a loss is a loss. Reyes won in the eyes of many.
whats the point of having 5 rounds if u dont pick a winner based on how it ends
Yes, I agree. Uncle Chael.
I have 5 minutes left on my lunch break guys. Does uncle chael agree Dom won or not??
Come back when your off work
3-2 Reyes
He got 3-2 Reyes
Take the extra time on your lunch or watch it in the bathroom, that's what I'd do
Felt like Jon was blocking or slipping/rolling on most of Reyes' strikes and always pushing forward and owning ring generalship. The latter I think is what won him the fight the most.
Finally, a sound argument as to why Jones may have been scored an extra round!
I happen to agree that this might be what the judges saw and certainly hope that this and not the takedowns (which led to nothing; no advancement of position or damage caused) made the difference.
The problem with that, is that in the unified rules, ring control happens if all other factors are equal. Aggression is Plan B. Ring Control is Plan C. Effective strikes and grappling take precedence.
@@avathar53
You both are absolutely correct.
DR was drenched in sweat.
Jones hardly sweated a drop.
He pressed forward, DR going backwards much of the last rounds.
Jones drew blood. DR drew zip.
He never hurt Jones.
He slowed down, when he needed to pick up the pace or sty least maintain the pressure, sucking air with his mouth open, probably because of bleeding nose damage. Jones never tired enough to gasp for air or needed to suck air through his mouth.
DR Never came close to doing any significant damage or a knock down, knock out.
Rematch will tell the truth...
@@isaactakeuchimusic gotcha, they mentioned Houston had not adopted the unified rules i believe. Wonder how big of an impact it had. I hope they run it back
@@StevenTalley oh really? Hmm interesting. Would love to see it run back again.
I know he's saying it's rare for a fighter with a longer reach to move forward. But Ronald "Winky" Wright used to have a great guard, and move forward behind his jab and just walk people down. His fights against "Sugar" Shane Mosley are a showcase of that ability.
That knockdown was a slip wise words from Uncle Chael
Dom never broke it down because it would allow Kevin Lee to find holes in his game...
Bro I think Dom won the 4th too. He landed heavy and hurt Jon early and wouldn’t be held down. There was zero damage as a result of the takedowns Jon needed them to survive
Trip Pez the 4th wasn’t close. Jones clear
Lol the takedowns drained the fuck out of Reyes and that’s why he was done at the end of round 5. Jones won it, if the fight continued for a round more jones would prob ko him
@@likylake9503 open the fight and watch the 4th dom rocked and hurt jon. Not even a close fight. Jons'takedown' was a laugh stock
And Jones LITERALLY turned his back and sprinted accros the ring to get away from Reyes in the early 4th round 😂
@M takedowns yes but Jones didn't do anything with the takedowns, Reyes got up with in a second and Jon couldn't do anything about it or do anything to Reyes.
Best thing about chael is he can tell you how much he hates someone for 10 minutes and then spend 20 minutes telling you how great that person is because he is HONEST. He can hate you but give you the credit you deserve.
Cant letchu get close..
Rayes could have won but no one defiantly won rounds 2,3 no one was robbed here lets hope for another good fight in the rematch
Round 2 wasn't close at all, Reyes dominated that round
Cheek Busting 101 whaat
@@Montoya1991 no.. Thats where people got it all wrong..
I thought 2nd one was clean..
Go rewatch it in peace and you will see how close it really was..
Reyes missed a lot of punches.
@@jonbonesmahomes7472 agreed iv wached it twice now and i thought more of it the 1st time when rayes was chasing jones round the ring after he missed a kick and that os what sticks with people but jones had the center of the octagon for most of the round and they were trading strikes
I rewatched that 2nd round and it looked closer than I remembered it. I think beyond just hating Jones a lot of people can't identify a blocked punch or near miss, or else think that the strike stat is a final round score.
Jon knows he lost. The fact that he had explained the takedowns won him the fight says it all. He was clearly trying to justify his win... Someone who knows they won never does that.
All the judges didn't see it that way
john butler look at the stats
@@johnbutler7567
The judges were wrong...that's kinda the problem bro..
"I whole heartedly believe i won that fight.." no, no you dont..
I looked at them I watched the fight I had it 3-2 Jones I texted my bud after every round I gave the first and third to Reyes and the rest to Jones takedowns and ring pressure should matter
I agree it was a close match, but in the end, JJ left a winning impression on the judges during the championship rounds that clinched the victory. Also, take into consideration the rules below.
All bouts will be evaluated and scored by 3 judges who shall evaluate the contest from different location around the ring/fighting area. The referee may not be one of the 3 judges.
The 10-Point Must System will be the standard system of scoring a bout. Under the 10-Point Must Scoring System, 10 points must be awarded to the winner of the round and 9 points or less must be awarded to the loser, except for a rare even round, which is scored (10-10).
Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense.
Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in (c) above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense.
Effective striking is judged by determining the total number of legal strikes landed by a contestant.
Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active threatening guard.
Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider are countering a grappler's attempt at takedown by remaining standing and legally striking, taking down an opponent to force a ground fight, creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve mount, and creating striking opportunities.
Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal strike.
Effective defense means avoiding being struck, taken down or reversed while countering with offensive attacks.
The following objective scoring criteria shall be utilized by the judges when scoring a round:
a round is to be scored as a 10-10 round when both contestants appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows clear dominance in a round;
a round is to be scored as a 10-9 round when a contestant wins by a close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes, grappling and other maneuvers;
a round is to be scored as a 10-8 round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
a round is to be scored as a 10-7 round when a contestant totally dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
Judges shall use a sliding scale and recognize the length of time the fighters are either standing or on the ground, as follows:
if the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round on the canvas, then:
Effective grappling is weighed first; and
Effective striking is then weighed
If the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round standing, then:
Effective striking is weighed first; and
Effective grappling is then weighed
A round is to be scored as a 10-8 round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
If a round ends with a relatively even amount of standing and canvas fighting, striking and grappling are weighed equally.
Dom walked Jon down for the first 90 seconds and with a couple of blitzes in the middle rounds when Dom opened up, forcing Jon to run away, but let's not pretend Jon didn't walk Dom down for 4.5 rounds. Watch it again if you have to.
correction dom never walked down jon once in the fight...dom was swinging and jon was backing up that's not a walk down.....jon was walking him down....a walk down is exactly what it sounds like....jon was walking towards reyes with the readiness to strike and reyes was backing up for pretty much all rounds and thats what the judge seen......jon jones used that same tactic in the santos fight...he always looks like hes coming forward......
rewatch the second round I'm pretty sure Reyes didn't land most of the strikes he just threw them and jones connected a lot with his strikes, but it seemed he was pressured in that round so people thought he lost but I'm not sure
It's all about the second round. And if you go back and watch it. It was closer that it seemed.
Correct..
I was laughing at people that pointed me to round 2..
Then i gave myself a chance, rewatched it 10 times in peace sound OFF..
It was razor close..
I think it was a draw..
Dc was right it was 2-2 going into the 5th . Jon won that is say . He was blocking a lot of the shots people were oooing and aaaahing about . That rematch is going to be NAAAASTY
Yes yes. Everyone saying 2nd rnd for Ryres but if you actually rewatch it Reyes is air swinging for alot of the rnd. Jones had more conections. I give 2,4,5 to Jones. Reyes foolishly took 5th off completly and paid the price. NO robbery here.
I just knew he chael was going to have a field day with this one lol
I wish people would realize just because you simply don’t FEAR the champion doesn’t mean you won the fight. He never really imposed his will on Jon and became a lesser version of himself in the final rounds where champions shine most 💯
Greg Caulton Facts! I agree 100%
Yes he did. He dominated the first 3 rounds. Countered John plenty times. Had more significant strikes. Better foot work ect even stopped Jones from taking him down in the first 3 rounds.
Watching live I saw Reyes had 1 and 3 Jones had 2 4 5. This isn't kickboxing, there more to it than striking. Plus those significant strikes landed are generous
So all you have to do is move forward to win?
I saw Jones had 2 also. Many think the knockdown was a headshot when live. It was a weird angle. Take that out and Jones won round 2. Which it was removed from scoring and a slip so...
jbot91 be careful my guy you might pull their trap card “OcTaGoN cOnTroL”
You're on crack. That body shot was absolutely a knock down if you're going to say Jones got a takedown... Look at the numbers. 4 round Jones was running for his life!
@@jbot91 watching live to me it looked like neither of them were connecting very clean and it seemed pretty even to me in damage with the strikes. So you have to look at the other parts of the fight. I dont think judges go round by round all the time. Especially in a championship fight, you gotta beat the champ not just squeak it out. And saying that, I think they saw Reyes hold on the last 2 rounds and decided they couldn't let him win